Re: [mb-style] Works and remixes/covers
On May 25, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: I think what these need is for a cover recording to be able to link back to either a work or a recording. At the moment, it seems I can't do a recording-recording cover link but funnily enough I can do a recording-recording AR for a remix... A recording--recording link makes sense for a remix, because usually a remix is actually a differently edited version of the same recorded audio, whereas a new cover version does not usually incorporate audio from other versions of the song being covered. Work-recording seems like it would be the appropriate link for a cover to me, even a cover based on a version not the original. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Bonus discs?
Pre NGS, the fact that a release was a bonus disc was predominantly suggested in the release title. Now NGS bundles the bonus disc with the rest of the release but should there still be an explicit indication in the release group that this is a bonus release or is the number of discs sufficient? Please see the discussion at http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14499722 On 5/24/2011 7:41 AM, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14491791 azertus is asking if we should have a way to record the fact that a disc is considered bonus. It does seem that this ability was lost in the move to NGS, but I'm not sure I think it's important. Thoughts? ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Bonus discs?
On 26 May 2011 08:57, Ross Tyler rossety...@gmail.com wrote: Pre NGS, the fact that a release was a bonus disc was predominantly suggested in the release title. Now NGS bundles the bonus disc with the rest of the release but should there still be an explicit indication in the release group that this is a bonus release or is the number of discs sufficient? Please see the discussion at http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14499722 This seems like a clear regression from classic MB to me, as in many things with track listings; no artists, no ARs, etc. This is probably the more minor of those, but important nonetheless. -- Andrew :-) Support Free Java! Contribute to GNU Classpath and IcedTea http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath http://icedtea.classpath.org PGP Key: F5862A37 (https://keys.indymedia.org/) Fingerprint = EA30 D855 D50F 90CD F54D 0698 0713 C3ED F586 2A37 ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Works and remixes/covers
On 26 May 2011 07:00, Stephen tungolcra...@gmail.com wrote: On May 25, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: I think what these need is for a cover recording to be able to link back to either a work or a recording. At the moment, it seems I can't do a recording-recording cover link but funnily enough I can do a recording-recording AR for a remix... A recording--recording link makes sense for a remix, because usually a remix is actually a differently edited version of the same recorded audio I agree. That's why I don't think they should be new works. , whereas a new cover version does not usually incorporate audio from other versions of the song being covered. Work-recording seems like it would be the appropriate link for a cover to me, even a cover based on a version not the original. But how do you create such an AR if the cover is not a work? ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style -- Andrew :-) Support Free Java! Contribute to GNU Classpath and IcedTea http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath http://icedtea.classpath.org PGP Key: F5862A37 (https://keys.indymedia.org/) Fingerprint = EA30 D855 D50F 90CD F54D 0698 0713 C3ED F586 2A37 ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Bonus discs?
Hello, On 26/05/11 09:57, Ross Tyler wrote: Pre NGS, the fact that a release was a bonus disc was predominantly suggested in the release title. Now NGS bundles the bonus disc with the rest of the release but should there still be an explicit indication in the release group that this is a bonus release or is the number of discs sufficient? Please see the discussion at http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14499722 On 5/24/2011 7:41 AM, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14491791 azertus is asking if we should have a way to record the fact that a disc is considered bonus. It does seem that this ability was lost in the move to NGS, but I'm not sure I think it's important. Thoughts? When a particular two disc release exists in a release group which also has a one disc release with an identical first disc, that implies the second disc on the two disc release is a bonus disc. Similarly for releases with more discs and/or more bonus discs. I personally do not see the need to keep track of this information in a more explicit way. -- kuno / warp. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add Secondhandsongs Relationship Type
Nobody interested in this? Although I've never heard of it before, it seems like quite an interesting resource for works to me. Nikki Aurélien Mino wrote: This is a proposal [1] to allow linking our works to their matching pages in the Secondhandsongs database. For those who are not aware of it, it's a database dedicated to cover songs (and also samples). It offers interesting information for each work: - composer, lyricist or writer - information about original release - an adaptation tree, i.e. all derivate works - a list of cover performances, called there versions I'm just proposing linking at work level for now, but we could also add links for artist and recording in the future if we want to. [1] http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Secondhandsongs_Relationship_Type - Aurélien / murdos ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add Secondhandsongs Relationship Type
On 05/20/2011 02:54 PM, Aurélien Mino wrote: This is a proposal [1] to allow linking our works to their matching pages in the Secondhandsongs database. For those who are not aware of it, it's a database dedicated to cover songs (and also samples). It offers interesting information for each work: - composer, lyricist or writer - information about original release - an adaptation tree, i.e. all derivate works - a list of cover performances, called there versions I'm just proposing linking at work level for now, but we could also add links for artist and recording in the future if we want to. [1] http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Secondhandsongs_Relationship_Type - Aurélien / murdos +1 Alex / caller#6 ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add Secondhandsongs Relationship Type
Very cool, I like it. +1 On 5/26/2011 9:55 PM, Nikki wrote: Nobody interested in this? Although I've never heard of it before, it seems like quite an interesting resource for works to me. Nikki Aurélien Mino wrote: This is a proposal [1] to allow linking our works to their matching pages in the Secondhandsongs database. For those who are not aware of it, it's a database dedicated to cover songs (and also samples). It offers interesting information for each work: - composer, lyricist or writer - information about original release - an adaptation tree, i.e. all derivate works - a list of cover performances, called there versions I'm just proposing linking at work level for now, but we could also add links for artist and recording in the future if we want to. [1] http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Secondhandsongs_Relationship_Type - Aurélien / murdos ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6156 (20110526) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add Secondhandsongs Relationship Type
On 27 May 2011 02:55, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody interested in this? Although I've never heard of it before, it seems like quite an interesting resource for works to me. I've not heard of it before either, but certainly looks like something good to link to. +1 from me too. Nikki -- Andrew :-) Support Free Java! Contribute to GNU Classpath and IcedTea http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath http://icedtea.classpath.org PGP Key: F5862A37 (https://keys.indymedia.org/) Fingerprint = EA30 D855 D50F 90CD F54D 0698 0713 C3ED F586 2A37 ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
