Re: gpg always downloading sigs for signed mail...
On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 10:45:15AM -0400, Sam Roberts wrote: > I'd just like to have better control over when gpg tries to > download keys, I wish it (or mutt) would ask "hey, do you want > me to try and fetch this key from $keyserver?". Have you tried hitting ^C if the fetch is taking too long? The policy when using gpg with mutt is effectively to assume yes, but allow an interrupt if the answer is no. Brian
Re: why is my spool read-only?
Bingo! Thanks! Sam On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 12:48:58AM -0400, David T-G wrote: > Sam -- > > ...and then Sam Roberts said... > % mutt says my /usr/spool/mail/sam spool file is read-only, any > % idea why? It's only used for local-to-my-machine mail, but > % I'd like to have it be read/write. > > The most likely reason is because your mutt_dotlock program has not been > installed with special permissions and your spool directory is locked so > that only the mail group can do any writing in there -- like creating a > dot lock file. [clip]
Re: gpg always downloading sigs for signed mail...
On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 06:30:25PM -0400, Bennett Todd wrote: > 2000-04-05-04:14:56 Sebastian Helms: > > > I'd like mutt to not verify signatures that are not in my > > > keyring, in particular I don't want gpg to trying to connect > > > to the keyserver when I'm not on-line. How is gpg being called > > > for key verification, and is there a way to make it not contact > > > keyservers? > > > > Remove the "keyserver" line from your .gnupg/options. But then no > > sigs are checked... so I am having my options copied every time o > > go online or offline. The online version has a keyserver line, the > > offline one doesn't. > > Now this is interesting; I wonder if it's changed behavior with a > different version or something. > > Running mutt 1.0, gnupg 1.0.0, and with no keyserver line in my > .gnupg/options, I get signature checking that runs fast, and > validates correctly if I have they key on my keyring already. All > adding the keyserver line to .gnupg/options seems to change is > making it try to automatically fetch the key if it doesn't already > have it. > > -Bennett yeah, that's the way it works for me too (gpg 1.0.1, mutt 1.0.1i). I'd just like to have better control over when gpg tries to download keys, I wish it (or mutt) would ask "hey, do you want me to try and fetch this key from $keyserver?". Not a deal breaker, though. Sam -- Sam Roberts, sroberts at uniserve dot com, www.emyr.net/Sam
Re: [bug?] Limiting patterns and Boolean algebra
On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 21:34:54 +0200, Marius Gedminas wrote: > Once I thought about asking for a new command -- . Then > I realized that it was not necessary -- one could just write a macro > like this: !() Please find my attempt to make such a macro in the attached file: Save it, source it, and type control-l to reverse the limit pattern. > So far so good. However there's a strange bug/feature: > > foo limits to messages matching pattern foo > !(foo)limits to messages not matching pattern foo > !(!(foo)) limits to messages not matching pattern foo too! But > (!(!(foo))) limits to messages matching pattern foo Might be a bug, I can't say for sure. -- Byrial # Mutt macro "reverse limit" bound to ^l macro index l1 \ 'macro index \cl "\ <.bol>!(<.eol>)\ <.enter><.esc><.esc>l2" \ "reverse limit pattern"\ ' \ "reverse limit help macro 1" macro index l2 \ 'macro index \cl "\ <.backspace><.bol>\ <.delete-char><.delete-char>\ <.enter><.esc><.esc>l1" \ "reverse limit"\ ' \ "reverse limit help macro 2" macro index \cl \ "!()l2" \ "reverse limit"
Re: gpg always downloading sigs for signed mail...
2000-04-05-04:14:56 Sebastian Helms: > > I'd like mutt to not verify signatures that are not in my > > keyring, in particular I don't want gpg to trying to connect > > to the keyserver when I'm not on-line. How is gpg being called > > for key verification, and is there a way to make it not contact > > keyservers? > > Remove the "keyserver" line from your .gnupg/options. But then no > sigs are checked... so I am having my options copied every time o > go online or offline. The online version has a keyserver line, the > offline one doesn't. Now this is interesting; I wonder if it's changed behavior with a different version or something. Running mutt 1.0, gnupg 1.0.0, and with no keyserver line in my .gnupg/options, I get signature checking that runs fast, and validates correctly if I have they key on my keyring already. All adding the keyserver line to .gnupg/options seems to change is making it try to automatically fetch the key if it doesn't already have it. -Bennett PGP signature
Re: gpg always downloading sigs for signed mail...
From: Sebastian Helms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hello, > > * Sam Roberts wrote on 04 Apr 2000: > > > I don't know if this is a gpg question, or a mutt one, but... > > a gpg one ;-) > > > I'd like mutt to not verify signatures that are not in my > > keyring, in particular I don't want gpg to trying to connect > > to the keyserver when I'm not on-line. How is gpg being called > > for key verification, and is there a way to make it not > > contact keyservers? > > Remove the "keyserver" line from your .gnupg/options. But then no > sigs are checked... so I am having my options copied every time o go > online or offline. The online version has a keyserver line, the > offline one doesn't. Ouch... I think I'll just leave it out all the time and write a little shell script that takes a keyid as an arg and specifies the server on the command line. Then I can call it myself on the rare occaisons when I actually want to verify a signature. Thanks, Sam
Re: OT? Proposal: Third sorting key
(Hello, everyone, again. Somehow I got unsubscribed from this list -- maybe my subscription had expired? ;-) Or maybe just my ISP's mail server went down at the wrong moment.) On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 04:52:44PM -0400, Michael Tatge wrote: > I just played around with the $sort_aux variable and I came to the > opinion that a third sorting key is needed. It's a bit annoying that > $sort_aux controls how threads are sorted against other threads _and_ > the thread internal sorting. [...] > What do you think about this? Yes. I'd like to sort by To: field, then by thread, and then by date (and I also want to group messages with the same Message-Id together). One of my secret wishes for 1.3 (it's too big for 1.2) is to see current sorting interface changed to a more consistent set sort=, , ... Marius Gedminas -- There is a 70% probability of tomorrow. (Actual weatherman quote, 1988)
Re: Attach-message + attachments
At 18:25 +0300 05 Apr 2000, Mikko Hänninen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the compose menu, there's a function called "get-attachment" > (bound to G) but it didn't seem to do anything for me, and I can't > tell what it is supposed to do based on the description. It copies the selected attachment to a temporary file (which is marked to be deleted after sending), so that the attachment may be edited before sending without affecting the original. When the selected attachment is already a temporary file (the main body, for example) it indeed does nothing. -- Aaron Schrab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.execpc.com/~aarons/ Feeling amorous, she looked under the sheets and cried, "Oh, no, it's Microsoft!"
[bug?] Limiting patterns and Boolean algebra
Once I thought about asking for a new command -- . Then I realized that it was not necessary -- one could just write a macro like this: !() So far so good. However there's a strange bug/feature: foo limits to messages matching pattern foo !(foo)limits to messages not matching pattern foo !(!(foo)) limits to messages not matching pattern foo too! But (!(!(foo))) limits to messages matching pattern foo Now if I omit the parentheses, the behaviour is what I'd call `normal': foo limits to messages matching pattern foo !foo limits to messages not matching pattern foo !!foo limits to messages matching pattern foo But this won't work with foo == "~C x | ~C y", for example. (BTW one cannot reverse "really simple patterns" with this method -- $default_hook is then simply used to match for "~f !foo !~P | (~P ~C !foo)"...) Marius Gedminas -- If A equals success, then the formula is A = X + Y + Z. X is work. Y is play. Z is keep your mouth shut. -- Albert Einstein
Re: signiture file
Matt Dunford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Wed, 05 Apr 2000: > Is there a way to specify a program for a signiture file? Yes. > I was thinking along the lines of something like: > set signature="! perl rand_saying.pl" Close. set signature="perl rand_saying.pl|" Regards, Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy & scifi, the Corrs / I used to have a handle on life, then it broke.
Re: signiture file
Matt -- ...and then Matt Dunford said... % Dear Mutt Users: % % Is there a way to specify a program for a signiture file? I've tried Yep. % various ways without success and I've also browsed the site, the faq, and % the news archives. Well, from the manual that *I* have: 6.3.140. signature Type: string Default: ~/.signature Specifies the filename of your signature, which is appended to all outgoing messages. If the filename ends with a pipe (``|''), it is assumed that filename is a shell command and input should be read from its stdout. % % I have a perl program which spits out a random saying. How do I make this % my signiture file? % % I was thinking along the lines of something like: % set signature="! perl rand_saying.pl" Close; you want something more like set signature="rand_saying.pl|" and I haven't tried specifying a program (perl) and an argumment (script) but it oughta work. :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Re: saving automatically read mails
Hello, Valerie Novak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Wed, 05 Apr 2000: > I installed mutt 0.95.4 with pop option on a unix system : digital osf1 v4.0 . Mutt 0.95.4 is pretty old, since 1.0.1 has been out for some time now. Version 1.2 will hopefully be released in near future. You may want to upgrade. > I would like to move automatically read mails from the spoolfile to the good mailbox. > I read that it 's possible with mbox-hook command, but it doesn't work! > In my .muttrc I wrote : > > set move=no > mailboxes =IP > mbox-hook "~h [EMAIL PROTECTED]" +IP > save-hook "~h [EMAIL PROTECTED]" +IP If I understand you correctly, you want to automatically move messages matching the given pattern from your incoming spool folder (the spoolfile) to the folder +IP when you exit the spool folder? The above should work, except you need to set move=yes or the automatic moving won't happen. Note that all other read messages will then also be saved to whatever folder you have set in the $mbox variable. Hope this helps... If it doesn't, can you please try to clarify the question? Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy & scifi, the Corrs / Press any key to continue, or any other key to cancel.
Re: not showing lists lists
Hello, First of all you had the address "danlip" (only your username) in the Mail-Followup-To header in your email. That won't work of course, because when I do a reply, it'll then try to sent a copy to the user "danlip" on my system. You probably want to make Mutt use your full address when sending email (by setting $hostname and/or $from, or using my_hdr From:) instead of having your MTA do header rewriting. The MTA will only recognise the From header and not the MFT header... Dan Lipofsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Wed, 05 Apr 2000: > I was using mutt-1.0i. I just upgraded to mutt-1.1.10i. > My index_format var is > set index_format="%4C %Z %(%b %d %R) %15.15L [%5c] %s" > The old mutt would show the list for %L (if sent to a defined list). > The new mutt doesn't. It still recognizes the list when I do a > list reply however. What's up? I'm guessing you didn't read README.UPGRADE. The behaviour of the "lists" command has changed, and you need to do replace "lists" with "subscribe" in your .muttrc to achieve the same results as you had before. Although I'm not sure why Mutt doesn't recognise unsubscribed lists with the %L directive, shouldn't it do that too? (Hmm.. no time to test that right now.) > Also, is there a manual for version 1.1.10i yet? Sure, it should come with the distribution like always. Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy & scifi, the Corrs / You don't have to know anything to have an opinion.
signiture file
Dear Mutt Users: Is there a way to specify a program for a signiture file? I've tried various ways without success and I've also browsed the site, the faq, and the news archives. I have a perl program which spits out a random saying. How do I make this my signiture file? I was thinking along the lines of something like: set signature="! perl rand_saying.pl"
saving automatically read mails
Hello, I installed mutt 0.95.4 with pop option on a unix system : digital osf1 v4.0 . I would like to move automatically read mails from the spoolfile to the good mailbox. I read that it 's possible with mbox-hook command, but it doesn't work! In my .muttrc I wrote : set move=no mailboxes =IP mbox-hook "~h [EMAIL PROTECTED]" +IP save-hook "~h [EMAIL PROTECTED]" +IP The save-hook command is ok for saving mail one per one. thank you per advance Valerie Novak -- Valerie Novak Network and systems administrator Observatoire de Marseille Universite de Provence - CNRS Service Informatique telephone : +33 4 95 04 41 00 2 place Le Verriertelephone : +33 4 95 04 41 47 F-13248 Marseille cedex 4 e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
not showing lists lists
I was using mutt-1.0i. I just upgraded to mutt-1.1.10i. My index_format var is set index_format="%4C %Z %(%b %d %R) %15.15L [%5c] %s" The old mutt would show the list for %L (if sent to a defined list). The new mutt doesn't. It still recognizes the list when I do a list reply however. What's up? Also, is there a manual for version 1.1.10i yet? Thanks, Dan
Re: OT? Proposal: Third sorting key
> I just played around with the $sort_aux variable and I came to the > opinion that a third sorting key is needed. It's a bit annoying that > $sort_aux controls how threads are sorted against other threads _and_ > the thread internal sorting. No, it's not that to be annoying. > My problem: > I want threads with the newest date sorted before older threads. > -> set sort_aux=reverse-date > which does what I want _but_ the thread internal sorting is > "reverse-dated", too. The "last-" prefix doesn't help me here. You can achieve this by "set sort=reverse-thread" and "set sort_aux=date", as I did a very long time for certain mailboxes. But, being 2nd level maintainer of several lists (= postmaster, no condolences, please) I must recognize mails I get twice or more. These are displayed with a whole subthread in between with the settings I mentioned, so I prefer the other one you suggested, which has the minor disadvantage of having subthreads in "wrong" order, at least for me. A satisfying fix (without adding bloat) isn't trivial with the current implementation, I don't know when I have the time to think about it. Gero
Re: Attach-message + attachments
Lars Hecking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Wed, 05 Apr 2000: > You can forward selected attachments or tagged attachments from > the attachment view menu (v) directly. That doesn't really solve the problem, which was to add a random attachment (only) from a random message in a random mail folder to a currently edited message... In the compose menu, there's a function called "get-attachment" (bound to G) but it didn't seem to do anything for me, and I can't tell what it is supposed to do based on the description. Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy & scifi, the Corrs / Apathy Error: Don't bother striking any key.
Re: Attach-message + attachments
> Suppose, Alice sent me a message with a large attachment. Suppose, that > Bob sends me an email asking for Alice's message. I reply to it and > Alice's message. However I do not want to send Bob > full message with that huge attachment, I want just plain text. How do > I do that? Playing with mime_forward_* was fruitless. I guess they > really are only about forwarding with . You can forward selected attachments or tagged attachments from the attachment view menu (v) directly.
OT? Proposal: Third sorting key
Hi all! I just played around with the $sort_aux variable and I came to the opinion that a third sorting key is needed. It's a bit annoying that $sort_aux controls how threads are sorted against other threads _and_ the thread internal sorting. My problem: I want threads with the newest date sorted before older threads. -> set sort_aux=reverse-date which does what I want _but_ the thread internal sorting is "reverse-dated", too. The "last-" prefix doesn't help me here. Therefore it would be nice to have a third variable to control thread internal sorting. What do you think about this? Michael -- This signature was added just to have one. ;-)
Re: Mutt for Win32
Thorsten -- ...and then Thorsten Grade said... % % Hi, % % does anyone know if there´s a mutt-version for win32 available? In general, the answer is "no". The versions that folks have been sort of] able to build under Win tend to have problems, and mutt expects a whole slew of other *NIX programs, like sendmail, to be present anyway. Hey, I wish it were available, too :-) % % Thank you, % Thorsten % % -- % Thorsten Gradeemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] % Linux-Pagehttp://www.thgra.de % LUser #157433 http://counter.li.org :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Re: help, set from=xxx
David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Wed, 05 Apr 2000: > I know I've seen this before, though... Is specifying a pipe this way > different from something like > > set signature="`uptime`" > > where the " could also be ' ? Perhaps my original experimentation was > using backticks and that's where I noticed the only-run-once phenomenon... Yes, here it would make a difference. Backtics `` are parsed (executed) within "" quoted strings, but not when within '' quotes. This is a feature. :-) BTW it would be redundant to use set signature="`uptime`" since set signature=`uptime` would work just as well, I think. That's the way it works in shell expansions at least. Regards, Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy & scifi, the Corrs / By all means, let's not confuse ourselves with the facts!
Re: Q: Mutt and Email Lists
On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 12:53:52PM -0700, Mun Johl wrote: > GJ> I sent a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it > GJ> worked great. > > Worked for me too! Thanks for the tip. BTW, do I need to do anything > special if I want to send email to the list? No, nothing special. Just send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gary -- Gary Johnson | Agilent Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] | RF Communications Product Generation Unit | Spokane, Washington, USA
Attach-message + attachments
Hi, Suppose, Alice sent me a message with a large attachment. Suppose, that Bob sends me an email asking for Alice's message. I reply to it and Alice's message. However I do not want to send Bob full message with that huge attachment, I want just plain text. How do I do that? Playing with mime_forward_* was fruitless. I guess they really are only about forwarding with . Am I abusing ? Should I just reply and then forward Alice's mail in a separate message? Or maybe make a copy of it in a temporary mailbox, go there, delete that big attachment and then forward/attach the resulting message? (Not forgetting to put Bob's email in the clipboard, and to delete the temporary mailbox afterwards.) Marius Gedminas -- MCSE == Must Consult Someone Experienced
Re: Alias for a big name list
Subba Rao wrote: > >Hi, > >I can create individual user aliases fine. >How can I create an alias for a list of users ( about 30 )? > alias addr1, addr2, addr3 It's much easier if you already have aliases for the members of the list. Then: alias alias1, alias2, alias3 I didn't test whether you have to set $reverse alias then. Michael
Mutt for Win32
Hi, does anyone know if there´s a mutt-version for win32 available? Thank you, Thorsten -- Thorsten Grade email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux-Page http://www.thgra.de LUser #157433 http://counter.li.org
Re: save-hooks? and mail notifiers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Tue, 04 Apr 2000: > 2) have a default fcc when replying to domain ncube.com of both > +outgoing and +ncube/ As far as I know, there's no way in Mutt to do a Fcc into more than one folder at a time. :-( David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Wed, 05 Apr 2000: > The short answer to your first question (how to change $folder or, > actually $save_name) is that a few people have asked about it a few times > without getting a great answer, and I'm extremely interested in getting > it working. I think that some hooks about like > > fcc-save-hook . "set save_name=+%o" > fcc-save-hook @ncube.com "set save_name=+ncube/%o" I haven't tried to do this myself, but couldn't you use the `` expansion together with some of the %-expandos to extract the domain part without the TLD? You'd need to write a shell or some other script to do that, but it shouldn't be too difficult if you can just get the full address passed to it on the command line. > I dunno from maildirs; sorry :-) Maildirs work just like mbox here, no difference I think. Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy & scifi, the Corrs / It really is just the little things that bug a person.
Re: help, set from=xxx
Aaron -- ...and then Aaron Schrab said... % At 00:39 -0400 05 Apr 2000, David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: % > % send-hook '(~C mutt)' "set signature="uptime|" ;my_hdr From: Neelakanth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " % > % > set signature='uptime|' % > % > so that it's parsed at hook-time instead of at muttrc-read time. To % % That's not necessary, since having a pipe at the end of the value isn't % special to the parser. The pipe only affects what happens when mutt Oh? Hmmm... % tries to read the signature from the file (or program) indicated by % $signature. Whichever type of quotes you use, that will happen for each % new message. I know I've seen this before, though... Is specifying a pipe this way different from something like set signature="`uptime`" where the " could also be ' ? Perhaps my original experimentation was using backticks and that's where I noticed the only-run-once phenomenon... % % -- % Aaron Schrab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.execpc.com/~aarons/ % When you're dealing with like crazy aggressors like Libya or Iran or % Microsoft, you are talking about people who could do anything. %-- Bill Maher Thanks! :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Re: save-hooks? and mail notifiers
On Tue, 04 Apr 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Second problem is OT. I want to have something check for new mail besides > mutt. I use maildirs work computer and so don't worry about the notifiers > destroying info that mutt wants. Does anyone have new mail notifiers that run > under X that work with maildirs? If the maildirs are local I suggect GBuffy (http://www.fiction.net/blong/programs/gbuffy/) -- Ola Nyström Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Domän/DNS Drift Telenordia AB / Algonet - Tel: 08 587 587 00 Fax: 08 587 587 34 - -
Re: gpg always downloading sigs for signed mail...
Hello, * Sam Roberts wrote on 04 Apr 2000: > I don't know if this is a gpg question, or a mutt one, but... a gpg one ;-) > I'd like mutt to not verify signatures that are not in my > keyring, in particular I don't want gpg to trying to connect > to the keyserver when I'm not on-line. How is gpg being called > for key verification, and is there a way to make it not > contact keyservers? Remove the "keyserver" line from your .gnupg/options. But then no sigs are checked... so I am having my options copied every time o go online or offline. The online version has a keyserver line, the offline one doesn't. Regards, Sebastian -- "No worries." - Rincewind Sebastian Helms - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (PGP available)
