pager strangeness in 1.3.24

[Jim Mock]

I've noticed that with 1.3.24 with (allow_ansi as yes *or* no), I get
the following on PGP signed messages in the pager:

   [-- End of PGP output --]
   \012
   [-- The following data is signed --]
   \012

Is anyone else seeing this?  I'm using aterm with TERM set to
xterm-color and have had no problems prior to 1.3.24 (I'm guessing it
has to do with the allow_ansi changes).  I can duplicate this by reading
any PGP signed message...

- jim

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Re: Signatures

[Phil Gregory]

* Elimar Riesebieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001-24-11 20:17 +0100]:
> Just another quetion:
> Is there a possibility to tell mutt to coose the signature randomly
> out of a directory? 

I'll once again plug my approach, which is to use fortune for the
random part of my sig.  I don't generally like reinventing wheels.

set signature="cat ~/sigs/prefix;/usr/games/fortune ~/sigs/sig_archive;cat 
~/sigs/suffix |"

-- 
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--- --
Second Law of Fashion:
  Any female character's costume, no matter how outlandish, is always
  completely suitable to wear when climbing around in caves, hiking across
  the desert, and slogging through the sewers.
   -- Console Role Playing Game Clichés, item 73
 --- --

Re: Mail-Followup-To

[Josh Huber]

Samuel Padgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I always figured that, if it really annoys them, they should switch
> to an MUA that generates a Mail-Followup-To header (like Mutt) or
   -or Gnus- :)
> one that handles duplicates really well (like Gnus).

It will be nice when other mailers (maybe even LookOut?  perhaps in a
couple years they will innovate this feature) implement this
feature...

Unfortunately, I think that World Peace (TM) will happen before this
occurs.

ttyl,

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Re: newbie question

[Greg Steele]

Thanks for all of your help.

Greg
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Re: view html email?

[Viktor Rosenfeld]

Hi,

Jun Liu wrote:

> I figured it out, add one entry 
> 'text/html; links %s; needsterminal; nametemplate=%s.html' into
> ~/.mailcap. :)

Also try

text/html; lynx -dump; copiousoutput; nametemplate=%s.html

in ~/.mailcap and

auto_view text/html

in your .muttrc.  This way, the HTML mail will look (almost) like a
normal text mail.  (Although, some people do not like that.  I do  :)

Cheers,
Viktor
-- 
Viktor Rosenfeld
WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/



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Re: display-hooking w3m / was: mutt for blind computerusers

[MuttER]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:48:04PM +0100, Cristian wrote:
> Hi Gary and all,
> 
> why didn't I come up with this workaround? I use w3m regularly - I
> hacked my url_handler.sh into calling it when no Netscape is running
> (hardly recently) and as long as Opera refuses to take remote commands
> (although it says it understands them, Opera 5 and Opera 6 TP1 don't).
> 
> The workaround does not help Schoeppi a bit, of course, but it's an
> interesting idea in its own right.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:23:51AM -0800, Gary Johnson wrote:
> > Display-hooks let you set w3m as the pager for just those messages that
> > you know have a lot of embedded URLs, e.g.,
> > 
> > display-hook ~A 'set pager="builtin"'
> > display-hook '~s "reg headlines"'   'set pager="w3m"'
> 
> Could you automate it? Could you find out whether there are more
> than, say, 3 URLs in a message body so it's worth to hand over control
> to w3m? Can you do it without slowing down the whole Mutt?
> 
> Surely, your proposed solution will help me to read LinguistList
> digests, so thank you very much so far!
> 
---end quoted text---

Cristian, it IS possible for Opera to take remote commands. I do it all
the time.  Try the following:  /usr/bin/opera '%s,new-window'

I use this with klipper in mandrake 8.0+.
-- 
Pat Shanahan   Registered Linux User #207535
Registered at: http://counter.li.org

Maildir is not Updated

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

I just switched to Maildir. No mails are lost, but only one mailbox is
not updated. The deleted mails are tagged, an they vanish when I sync
the box. However, they are still in the 'new' subdirectory and
displayed if I re-enter the box.
I translated all boxes with Mutt. User and mode are inconspicous.

Thorsten
-- 
Das Briefgeheimnis sowie das Post- und Fernmeldegeheimnis sind unverletzlich.
- Grundgesetz, Artikel 10, Abs. 1 

Re: [Announce] mutt-1.3.24i is out (BETA).

[Daniel Eisenbud]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 02:46:07PM -0800, Owner of many system processes 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Daniel Eisenbud wrote:
> > $hide_missing only hides the leading message if they can sensibly be
> > hidden.
> 
> sorry...  one more thing:
> 
> messages that have an asterisk (ie mutt is guessing based on subject
> line or whatever) seem to be showing up with a '?' after the asterisk,
> even in a thread that's new.
> 
> obviously the '?' makes a bit of sense, (since we dont _know_ if there
> were other messages in this thread), but isn't this what the '*' denotes
> in the first place? having both is a bit visually distracting

Here's the deal: the asterisk means that the message was attached by
subject.  The question mark denotes a missing reference.  So if a
message has an in-reply-to: header referring to a message not in the
mailbox, its arrow will end with ?->.  Mutt then, as before, tries to
attach the message by subject, which if it does, will result in an arrow
like `*?->.  Having both tells you that there's a missing parent of the
current message, and that there were no more references so the message
was attached by subject.  If there's no in-reply-to header, the parent
might well be in the mailbox, but mutt has no way of knowing, and the
arrow just looks like `*>, as it did before.  This is not a bug.

> anyway i understand now basically what the purpose of the '?'s is...
> however i do think it will confuse people switching from earlier
> versions. it confused me at least. so maybe at least put a prominant
> notice about this in the release notes (i didn't see one) so that people
> don't think mutt is broken.

Agreed!

-Daniel

-- 
Daniel E. Eisenbud
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

"We should go forth on the shortest walk perchance, in the spirit of
undying adventure, never to return,--prepared to send back our embalmed
hearts only as relics to our desolate kingdoms."
--Henry David Thoreau, "Walking"

Re: Mail-Followup-To

[Samuel Padgett]

Thomas Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> * Samuel Padgett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> > But won't people who aren't subscribed to the lists not receive your
> > messages?
> 
> A rare special case, especially since the majority of the lists I'm
> on don't even allow external posts.

I subscribe to several lists (some bug reporting lists and
developer lists) where it's very common for people who aren't
subscribed to send messages to the list.  Of course, list reply
certain makes sense for lists that don't allow external posts.

> I'd rather one person with questionable reasons posting to the
> list not receive a message than 4 people receive two each.

I always figured that, if it really annoys them, they should
switch to an MUA that generates a Mail-Followup-To header (like
Mutt) or one that handles duplicates really well (like Gnus).

Sam

Re: [Announce] mutt-1.3.24i is out (BETA).

[Owner of many system processes]

Daniel Eisenbud wrote:
> 
> $hide_missing only hides the leading message if they can sensibly be
> hidden.

sorry...  one more thing:

messages that have an asterisk (ie mutt is guessing based on subject
line or whatever) seem to be showing up with a '?' after the asterisk,
even in a thread that's new.

obviously the '?' makes a bit of sense, (since we dont _know_ if there
were other messages in this thread), but isn't this what the '*' denotes
in the first place? having both is a bit visually distracting

anyway i understand now basically what the purpose of the '?'s is...
however i do think it will confuse people switching from earlier
versions. it confused me at least. so maybe at least put a prominant
notice about this in the release notes (i didn't see one) so that people
don't think mutt is broken.

-- 
William Yardley   System Administrator, Newdream Network
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://infinitejazz.net/will/pgp/gpg.asc

Re: [Announce] mutt-1.3.24i is out (BETA).

[Owner of many system processes]

Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:09:36 -0500, Daniel Eisenbud wrote:

> > I had a patch that added a $narrow_tree variable years ago, which
> > made the thread tree take up only half as much screen real estate.
> > Maybe it's time to resurrect this too.
> 
> Yes, I updated it to apply it to the latest Mutt versions (at least up
> to 1.3.22.1) and still use it. But it isn't even sufficient for very
> long threads.

has this feature been in the mainstream release in previous versions?
the behavior appears different from that of 1.3.23i.

i'd just like to restore the behavior of 1.3.23 (maybe i should just
revert) so i guess my question is "should there be a difference,
given the same configuration files".

i was perfectly happy with how it worked before.

-- 
William Yardley   System Administrator, Newdream Network
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://infinitejazz.net/will/pgp/gpg.asc

Re: display-hooking w3m / was: mutt for blind computerusers

[Gary Johnson]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:54:33PM -0500, Dan Boger wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:40:36PM -0800, Gary Johnson wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:48:04PM +0100, Cristian wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:23:51AM -0800, Gary Johnson wrote:
> > > Could you automate it? Could you find out whether there are more
> > > than, say, 3 URLs in a message body so it's worth to hand over control
> > > to w3m? Can you do it without slowing down the whole Mutt?
> > 
> > I don't think so.  The problem is that you would have to use an external
> > program to count the URLs and mutt doesn't send the message text to any
> > external program (e.g., "display_filter" or "pager") until it has
> > decided which pager it is going to use.  An external pager wrapper
> > program could select among a set of external pagers, but it couldn't
> > select mutt's internal pager.
> 
> what if you set up a procmail filter, to add a header to messages with 3
> or more urls, and then have mutt match that header?  would that work?

Yes, I think that would work.

Gary

-- 
Gary Johnson   | Agilent Technologies
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   | Spokane, Washington, USA
http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/ |

Re: display-hooking w3m / was: mutt for blind computerusers

[Dan Boger]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:40:36PM -0800, Gary Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:48:04PM +0100, Cristian wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:23:51AM -0800, Gary Johnson wrote:
> > Could you automate it? Could you find out whether there are more
> > than, say, 3 URLs in a message body so it's worth to hand over control
> > to w3m? Can you do it without slowing down the whole Mutt?
> 
> I don't think so.  The problem is that you would have to use an external
> program to count the URLs and mutt doesn't send the message text to any
> external program (e.g., "display_filter" or "pager") until it has
> decided which pager it is going to use.  An external pager wrapper
> program could select among a set of external pagers, but it couldn't
> select mutt's internal pager.

what if you set up a procmail filter, to add a header to messages with 3
or more urls, and then have mutt match that header?  would that work?

-- 
Dan Boger
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: [Announce] mutt-1.3.24i is out (BETA).

[Vincent Lefevre]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:09:36 -0500, Daniel Eisenbud wrote:
> I had a patch that added a $narrow_tree variable years ago, which made
> the thread tree take up only half as much screen real estate.  Maybe
> it's time to resurrect this too.

Yes, I updated it to apply it to the latest Mutt versions (at least
up to 1.3.22.1) and still use it. But it isn't even sufficient for
very long threads.

-- 
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validated HTML - Acorn Risc PC, Yellow Pig 17, Championnat International des
Jeux Mathématiques et Logiques, TETRHEX, etc.
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA

Re: display-hooking w3m / was: mutt for blind computerusers

[Gary Johnson]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:48:04PM +0100, Cristian wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:23:51AM -0800, Gary Johnson wrote:
> > Display-hooks let you set w3m as the pager for just those messages that
> > you know have a lot of embedded URLs, e.g.,
> > 
> > display-hook ~A 'set pager="builtin"'
> > display-hook '~s "reg headlines"'   'set pager="w3m"'
> 
> Could you automate it? Could you find out whether there are more
> than, say, 3 URLs in a message body so it's worth to hand over control
> to w3m? Can you do it without slowing down the whole Mutt?

I don't think so.  The problem is that you would have to use an external
program to count the URLs and mutt doesn't send the message text to any
external program (e.g., "display_filter" or "pager") until it has
decided which pager it is going to use.  An external pager wrapper
program could select among a set of external pagers, but it couldn't
select mutt's internal pager.

I also have Ctrl-B mapped to use w3m instead of urlview, so invoking w3m
on a message I'm already reading with the built-in pager is pretty
simple.  I just wish I could tell w3m to always find and mark URLs as
links instead of having to type ':' each time.

> Surely, your proposed solution will help me to read LinguistList
> digests, so thank you very much so far!

You're welcome.

Gary

-- 
Gary Johnson   | Agilent Technologies
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   | Spokane, Washington, USA
http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/ |

Re: [Announce] mutt-1.3.24i is out (BETA).

[Daniel Eisenbud]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 02:32:19PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:21:27 -0800, Dairy Wall Limey wrote:
> > hrmm this makes sense... setting this does change the number of '?'s...
> > putting:
> > set hide_missing
> > 
> > gives one question mark,
> 
> Here, I get several question marks ($hide_missing set). :(

$hide_missing only hides the leading message if they can sensibly be
hidden.

> > is there a way to hide the question marks entirely as in older versions
> > of mutt?
> 
> I'd like this too.

Well, this would lead to a certain amount of confusion, since the thread
navigation commands know now that certain messages aren't really
siblings, for instance.  But hiding all the question marks would lose
this visual information, so those commands would appear to fail
randomly.  However, this would be reasonably easy to do codewise.  A
better solution, though, would be to show only the question marks
necessary to disambiguate things.  This is possible but will take a
little bit of work.  I'll look into it.

> They are a problem in very long threads.

I had a patch that added a $narrow_tree variable years ago, which made
the thread tree take up only half as much screen real estate.  Maybe
it's time to resurrect this too.

-Daniel

-- 
Daniel E. Eisenbud
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

"We should go forth on the shortest walk perchance, in the spirit of
undying adventure, never to return,--prepared to send back our embalmed
hearts only as relics to our desolate kingdoms."
--Henry David Thoreau, "Walking"

Re: mutt-1.3.24i is out (BETA).

[David Ellement]

On 011130, at 07:34:02, Thomas Roessler wrote
> - There's a $wrapmargin variable which gives users some control over 
>   mutt's wrapping in the pager, and in the text/plain; format=flowed 
>   handler.  The default value of this variable is 0.

If $markers is set and $wrapmargin is set to a value that causes the
text to be wrapped, the markers remain visible after wrapmargin is
set to a value such that the text is no longer wrapped.

-- 
David Ellement

display-hooking w3m / was: mutt for blind computerusers

[Cristian]

Hi Gary and all,

why didn't I come up with this workaround? I use w3m regularly - I
hacked my url_handler.sh into calling it when no Netscape is running
(hardly recently) and as long as Opera refuses to take remote commands
(although it says it understands them, Opera 5 and Opera 6 TP1 don't).

The workaround does not help Schoeppi a bit, of course, but it's an
interesting idea in its own right.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:23:51AM -0800, Gary Johnson wrote:
> Display-hooks let you set w3m as the pager for just those messages that
> you know have a lot of embedded URLs, e.g.,
> 
> display-hook ~A 'set pager="builtin"'
> display-hook '~s "reg headlines"'   'set pager="w3m"'

Could you automate it? Could you find out whether there are more
than, say, 3 URLs in a message body so it's worth to hand over control
to w3m? Can you do it without slowing down the whole Mutt?

Surely, your proposed solution will help me to read LinguistList
digests, so thank you very much so far!

Cristian

-- 

}{  Cristian Pietsch
}{  http://www.interling.de



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Re: default directory for change-folder

[Eric Smith]

According to Sven Guckes on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:56:11PM +0100:
> * Eric Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011130 14:14]:
> > > At first it sounds good, but what happens if I want to change
> > > to an IMAP folder? Prepending "=" obviously doesn't work.
> > Then just have a .muttrc option like
> > Set enable_default_folder="yes"
> > for those that do not care about imap
> 
> and how about another* option
> for those who prefer the '+'?
I never figured the difference between the '+' and the '='
in this context.
> 
> really - what next?
> ":set kitchen-sink=on"?
> 
Funny, when I saw who was in the ^From: line, I knew there would
be a comment like this - I was right ;)

> folks, get real - use a macro!
> :macro index c "+"
> 
see my original email to see why this is unsuitable (for me).

Nothing I have seen convinces me that this is not a sufficiently
useful configurable option  to make it standard.

 - well I tried ...

-- 
Eric Smith

Re: mutt for blind computerusers

[Daniel Eisenbud]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 04:15:08PM +0100, Cristian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Mutt folks,
> 
> (this idea is for the Mutt developers but since the thread came up
> here, I'm continuing here. Btw. -- sorry for my recent duplicate post.
> It won't happen again, folder-hook works for me now.)
> 
> There is another great use for an (optional) cursor in the internal
> pager -- you could avoid using the urlview ripper.

I was thinking about this a few weeks ago.  While my implementation was
going to be somewhat different, maybe the two will get combined.  Hmm.
I'll try to hack up a rough first cut to see whether my idea makes
sense.

-Daniel
-- 
Daniel E. Eisenbud
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

"We should go forth on the shortest walk perchance, in the spirit of
undying adventure, never to return,--prepared to send back our embalmed
hearts only as relics to our desolate kingdoms."
--Henry David Thoreau, "Walking"

Re: mutt for blind computerusers

[Gary Johnson]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 04:15:08PM +0100, Cristian wrote:

> There is another great use for an (optional) cursor in the internal
> pager -- you could avoid using the urlview ripper.
> 
> The only feature I miss in Mutt compared to Pine 4 is just this:
> Within the ususal message view, you use up and down cursor keys to
> jump to a spot that looks like a URL oder Email address, hit enter
> (maybe edit the URL), and url_handler.sh gets you there.
> 
> There may be people who got used to urlview but consider a typical
> digest email I get every day from LinguistList. This is what urlview
> extracts from it:
> 
> ---snip---
>   1 http://linguistlist.org/
...
>  14 http://linguistlist.org/issues/12/12-2991.html
> ---snap---
> 
> I'm bad at remembering numbers. This is what the computer should do
> for me.

You can also work around this problem by using w3m as your pager for
these messages.  w3m will identify URLs in the text and mark them as
links.  You can then move the cursor over a link and follow it using
either w3m or an external browswer.

http://w3m.sourceforge.net/index.en.html

Display-hooks let you set w3m as the pager for just those messages that
you know have a lot of embedded URLs, e.g.,

display-hook ~A 'set pager="builtin"'
display-hook '~s "reg headlines"'   'set pager="w3m"'

Gary

-- 
Gary Johnson   | Agilent Technologies
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   | Spokane, Washington, USA
http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/ |

Re: Script to rebuild quotes

[Thorsten Haude]

Moin,

* Thomas Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-30 19:00]:
>* S. William Schulz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 04:16:47PM +0100, René Clerc wrote:
>> > > I'll wait for a perl copy, but I'm interested, too.
>> I'll take mine in ruby please
>Initial perl version at:
>
>http://freak.aagh.net/code/quotefix.pl
>
>Now who wants a tcl version? ;)
What about INTERCAL?

Thorsten
-- 
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin

Attach encrypted Mail

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

I want to attach an encrypted mail to another mail, taken from my
$record. The attachement only contains the header though. MIME-forward
doesn't work either, same result.

What am I missing here?

Thorsten
-- 
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin

Re: Script to rebuild quotes

[Thomas Hurst]

* S. William Schulz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 04:16:47PM +0100, René Clerc wrote:
> >
> > I don't know, David ;)
> >
> > > > It's written in Ruby (http://www.ruby-lang.org/), but I can do a
> > > > Perl version if anyone really doesn't want to install Ruby.
> > >
> > > I'll wait for a perl copy, but I'm interested, too.
>
> I'll take mine in ruby please

Initial perl version at:

http://freak.aagh.net/code/quotefix.pl

Now who wants a tcl version? ;)

-- 
Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst  -  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  -  http://www.aagh.net/

Re: default directory for change-folder

[Sven Guckes]

* Eric Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011130 14:14]:
> > At first it sounds good, but what happens if I want to change
> > to an IMAP folder? Prepending "=" obviously doesn't work.
> Then just have a .muttrc option like
> Set enable_default_folder="yes"
> for those that do not care about imap

and how about another* option
for those who prefer the '+'?

really - what next?
":set kitchen-sink=on"?

folks, get real - use a macro!
:macro index c "+"

Sven  [now, if someone would please change
   the default value for the attribution..]

-- 
Sven Guckes[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/setup.html
Need Help?   Ask on the newsgroup "comp.mail.mutt" -
or post to group de.comm.software.mailreader.misc!

Re: view html email?

[Jun Liu]

I figured it out, add one entry 
'text/html; links %s; needsterminal; nametemplate=%s.html' into
~/.mailcap. :)

/Jun
On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:25:41PM +0100, Jun Liu wrote:
:Hi, all,
:
:I was just wondering how to view emails in html format by using links or
:lynx. 
:
:Thanks, :)
:
:/Jun

view html email?

[Jun Liu]

Hi, all,

I was just wondering how to view emails in html format by using links or
lynx. 

Thanks, :)

/Jun

Re: [Announce] mutt-1.3.24i is out (BETA).

[Jeremy Blosser]

Thomas Roessler [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> I've just released the next mutt beta, version 1.3.24i.

And I've just updated the web site to this version, since it is a public
beta.

I've updated the official release areas (news, changes, manual, etc.)
already, and I'll update the user-contributed info tonight when I get home.

-- 
Jeremy Blosser



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Re: Forwarding attachements...

[Justin R. Miller]

Thus spake Matej Cepl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> My mutt does not automagically attach attachements of the original
> message being forwarded. What option does control this behavior?

Have a look at mime_forward.  I use this: 

message-hook . "set mime_forward=no"
message-hook "~h multipart" "set mime_forward=ask-yes"

-- 
Justin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
PGP/GnuPG Key ID 0xC9C40C31 (preferred)



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Re: Strange things with gpg now

[Vincent Lefevre]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:52:09 +, Bruno Postle wrote:
> On Fri 30-Nov-2001 at 01:09:20PM +, Steve Kennedy wrote:
> > If I get a pgp/gpg message I now get
> > 
> > > [-- End of PGP output --]
> > > \012
> > > [-- The following data is signed --]
> > > \012
> 
> I get ? instead of \012

I get \012 (normal color).

> This is the same without any color settings so there is an extra
> formfeed character floating around somewhere.

\012 (10 is decimal) is a linefeed, isn't it?

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Forwarding attachements...

[Matej Cepl]

My mutt does not automagically attach attachements of the
original message being forwarded. What option does control this
behavior?

TIA

Matej

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Re: Strange things with gpg now

[Bruno Postle]

On Fri 30-Nov-2001 at 01:09:20PM +, Steve Kennedy wrote:
> If I get a pgp/gpg message I now get
> 
> > [-- End of PGP output --]
> > \012
> > [-- The following data is signed --]
> > \012

I get ? instead of \012

This is the same without any color settings so there is an extra
formfeed character floating around somewhere.

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a couple more questions

[Paul Brannan]

1) How can I refresh the current inbox?  The 'G' key seems to be
   POP-specific (I'm using IMAP).

2) Can I set up vim to place the cursor in the "To" field automatically
   when composing a message?

Thanks again,

Paul

a bunch of newbie questions

[Paul Brannan]

1) When I start mutt, I see this message:
 fcntl: No locks available (errno = 37)
   How can I make it go away?

2) When I go to the index, I see this message:
 /home/pbrannan/.mh_profile not found, mh format names disabled
   How can I make it go away?

3) When changing between mailboxes, I am constantly asked whether I want
   to purge deleted messages.  I can make this go away with "set
   delete=no", but then when I press $ to expunge the messages, nothing
   happens.  What must I do to get rid of deleted messages when delete
   is set to no?

4) When I go to the browser, the selected mailbox is always the topmost
   one (INBOX).  How can I make the selected mailbox be the "current"
   mailbox?

5) When displaying messages from the ruby-talk mailing list, the
   subjects are always of the form:
 Re: [ruby-talk:12345] This is a subject
   This makes the threaded view interesting, to say the least, whenever
   someone's mail client doesn't set In-Reply-To:.  Can I change how
   these messages are sorted?

6) When I try to postpone a message, I get:
 Couldn't lock /users/pbrannan/postponed.
   My home directory is on NFS, so this somewhat makes sense.  But how
   can I postpone messages in this case?

7) Can you point me toward any tips/tricks for using vim with mutt?
   I've already got:
 au BufEnter /tmp/mutt* set ai et list tw=72
 au BufEnter /tmp/mutt* set listchars=tab:>>,trail:.
 au BufEnter /tmp/mutt* set comments=nb:>
   (stolen shamelessly from someone else's .vimrc).  Is there anything
   else I should add?

Thanks,

Paul Brannan
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Re: newbie question

[Justin R. Miller]

Thus spake Jussi Ekholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> René already told you one way to do it, but I thought I'd share my way
> of doing it, as well. So, I've created symbolic link inbox in my
> maildir, which points to mail spool. I find it quite convenient and
> clear. YMMV. 

I do this as well.  All of my mail is in ~/mail, and I have a symlink to
/var/mail/incanus called 'inbox' which is also in ~/mail.  Works well.

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Re: Script to rebuild quotes

[S. William Schulz]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 04:16:47PM +0100, René Clerc wrote:
> 
> I don't know, David ;)
> 
> | % It's written in Ruby (http://www.ruby-lang.org/), but I can do a Perl
> | % version if anyone really doesn't want to install Ruby.
> | 
> | I'll wait for a perl copy, but I'm interested, too.


I'll take mine in ruby please

Re: Mail-Followup-To

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

* Thomas Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-30 16:08]:
>I wouldn't mind if mutt scanned the thread for Mail-Followup-To: headers
>and Cc:'d anyone who had it set to their address explicitly.  If people
>off-list do this then, they get the message, but people on the list
>don't get dupes.
It does even better: It sets the Mail-Followup-To, so that
thread-later mails can do the same, even if they use list-reply.

Thorsten
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temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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Re: Script to rebuild quotes

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

* David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-30 16:11]:
>% It's written in Ruby (http://www.ruby-lang.org/), but I can do a Perl
>% version if anyone really doesn't want to install Ruby.
>I'll wait for a perl copy, but I'm interested, too.
No. Please don't.

Thorsten
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Re: Script to rebuild quotes

[René Clerc]

* David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [30-11-2001 16:14]:

| Thomas --
| 
| ...and then Thomas Hurst said...
| % This isn't entirely mutt related, but I'm sure some of you will be
| % interested.
| % 
| % I just finished (for tonight :) tweaking a script designed to rebuild
| % quote strings with the One True Quote String ('> ', obviously), even if
| % you're replying to someone with a really evil one.  For instance:
| % 
| % name> : |% >TH Bla bla, bla bla bla
| 
| Gee, who could the Evil One be? ;-)

I don't know, David ;)

| % It's written in Ruby (http://www.ruby-lang.org/), but I can do a Perl
| % version if anyone really doesn't want to install Ruby.
| 
| I'll wait for a perl copy, but I'm interested, too.

Same here.

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Re: mutt for blind computerusers

[Cristian]

Hi Mutt folks,

(this idea is for the Mutt developers but since the thread came up
here, I'm continuing here. Btw. -- sorry for my recent duplicate post.
It won't happen again, folder-hook works for me now.)

There is another great use for an (optional) cursor in the internal
pager -- you could avoid using the urlview ripper.

The only feature I miss in Mutt compared to Pine 4 is just this:
Within the ususal message view, you use up and down cursor keys to
jump to a spot that looks like a URL oder Email address, hit enter
(maybe edit the URL), and url_handler.sh gets you there.

There may be people who got used to urlview but consider a typical
digest email I get every day from LinguistList. This is what urlview
extracts from it:

---snip---
  1 http://linguistlist.org/
  2 http://linguistlist.org/issues/12/12-2979.html
  3 http://linguistlist.org/issues/12/12-2980.html
  4 http://linguistlist.org/issues/12/12-2981.html
  5 http://linguistlist.org/issues/12/12-2982.html
  6 http://linguistlist.org/issues/12/12-2983.html
  7 http://linguistlist.org/issues/12/12-2984.html
  8 http://linguistlist.org/issues/12/12-2985.html
  9 http://linguistlist.org/issues/12/12-2986.html
 10 http://linguistlist.org/issues/12/12-2987.html
 11 http://linguistlist.org/issues/12/12-2988.html
 12 http://linguistlist.org/issues/12/12-2989.html
 13 http://linguistlist.org/issues/12/12-2990.html
 14 http://linguistlist.org/issues/12/12-2991.html
---snap---

I'm bad at remembering numbers. This is what the computer should do
for me.

 
On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 12:54:44AM +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote:
> On 2001-11-28 21:23:27 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> 
> >I agree with you. Perhaps there could be an optional cursor for
> >the internal pager.
> 
> Any takers?  I'd include such a patch with mutt pretty much 
> immediately if it was clean.

Fine. Any takers? :-)

Cheers,
Cristian

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Re: Mail-Followup-To

[Owner of many system processes]

Thomas Hurst wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't mind if mutt scanned the thread for Mail-Followup-To:
> headers and Cc:'d anyone who had it set to their address explicitly.
> If people off-list do this then, they get the message, but people on
> the list don't get dupes.

i'm confused ,  and  all already
honor Mail-Followup-To.

my point was that most people don't set this, and sometimes you
accidentally might hit 'r' or 'R' when you mean to hit 'L' (actually i
usually do the reverse but)

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Re: Script to rebuild quotes

[David T-G]

Thomas --

...and then Thomas Hurst said...
% This isn't entirely mutt related, but I'm sure some of you will be
% interested.
% 
% I just finished (for tonight :) tweaking a script designed to rebuild
% quote strings with the One True Quote String ('> ', obviously), even if
% you're replying to someone with a really evil one.  For instance:
% 
% name> : |% >TH Bla bla, bla bla bla

Gee, who could the Evil One be? ;-)


% 
% Becomes:
% 
% > > > > > Bla bla, bla bla bla
% 
% It handles most special cases (including smileys, URI's and >From),
% and can be configured to compress quotes ('> '), strip trailing
% whitespace and not generate quotes for blank lines.
% 
% It's written in Ruby (http://www.ruby-lang.org/), but I can do a Perl
% version if anyone really doesn't want to install Ruby.

I'll wait for a perl copy, but I'm interested, too.


% 
% Grab it at: http://freak.aagh.net/code/quotefix.rb
% 
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:-D
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Re: Mail-Followup-To

[Thomas Hurst]

* Dairy Wall Limey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> Thomas Hurst wrote:
> > * Samuel Padgett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > But won't people who aren't subscribed to the lists not receive
> > > your messages?
> >
> > A rare special case, especially since the majority of the lists I'm
> > on don't even allow external posts.  I'd rather one person with
> > questionable reasons posting to the list not receive a message than
> > 4 people receive two each.
>
> this is why i think it would be cool if there was a feature (or patch)
> to allow you to do something like:
>
> if(a valid list); bind 'r' or 'R' to 'ask-yes list reply'
>
> ie if the message comes from a known or subscribed list, and you hit
>  or , mutt would say: reply to list y,n

I wouldn't mind if mutt scanned the thread for Mail-Followup-To: headers
and Cc:'d anyone who had it set to their address explicitly.  If people
off-list do this then, they get the message, but people on the list
don't get dupes.

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Re: default directory for change-folder

[René Clerc]

* Paul Roberts Student lab engineer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [30-11-2001 15:17]:

| On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:03:30AM -0800, Dairy Wall Limey wrote:
| 
| > if you have "folder" set correctly it should, no?
| > if i understand it correctly, = just means 'a known mailbox' so if your
| > imap 'folder' is set in $folder, and you have it listed as a mailbox,
| > using = should work the same as a local folder.
| 
| I may be wrong, but I think his point was, what if he is using imap and
| local folders, and $folder can only be set to one of those, a macro
| which automaticlly typed '=' would be inconvenient.

Right ;)

Furthermore: IMO the '=' shortcut was created for ease of use: not
having to type the same directory name over and over again.

IMO it was _not_ created to "softly" force you into your default mail
folder.

But I _can_ imagine, that for people who use local mail only, it could
be handy, iff the function that automagically displays a folder with
new mail is preserved.

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Re: default directory for change-folder

[René Clerc]

* Dairy Wall Limey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [30-11-2001 15:05]:

| Ren? Clerc wrote:
| > * Eric Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [30-11-2001 13:47]:
| > 
| > | macro index c =
| > | But then you lose the (partially useful) functionality of the 
| > | last active folder being offered by mutt as the default.
| > | 
| > | Is there something wrong with this proposal?
| > 
| > At first it sounds good, but what happens if I want to change to an
| > IMAP folder? Prepending "=" obviously doesn't work.
| 
| if you have "folder" set correctly it should, no?
| if i understand it correctly, = just means 'a known mailbox' so if your
| imap 'folder' is set in $folder, and you have it listed as a mailbox,
| using = should work the same as a local folder.

You're right on that; what I forgot to mention is that I use mutt for
both IMAP and local mail. $folder is therefore set to a local folder.

So prepending "=" would be annoying if I want to change to an IMAP
folder. And not prepending it, would mean that I have to type it
myself. This is less annoying, because I don't mind typing the "=".

| i haven't used mutt extensively with imap, so perhaps i'm totally
| talking out my ass.

Err, I don't know, maybe you should visit a doctor to check? ;)

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Re: default directory for change-folder

[Paul Roberts Student lab engineer]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:03:30AM -0800, Dairy Wall Limey wrote:

> if you have "folder" set correctly it should, no?
> if i understand it correctly, = just means 'a known mailbox' so if your
> imap 'folder' is set in $folder, and you have it listed as a mailbox,
> using = should work the same as a local folder.

I may be wrong, but I think his point was, what if he is using imap and
local folders, and $folder can only be set to one of those, a macro
which automaticlly typed '=' would be inconvenient.

- Paul
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Re: default directory for change-folder

[Eric Smith]

According to René Clerc on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:00:10PM +0100:
> * Eric Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [30-11-2001 13:47]:
> 
> | I believe that mutt should automatically prepend the value of
> | the set-folder variable to whatever the user enters as the 
> | destination folder when issuing the change-folder command
> | (bound by default to 'c').
> | 

> 
> At first it sounds good, but what happens if I want to change to an
> IMAP folder? Prepending "=" obviously doesn't work.
> 

Then just have a .muttrc option like
Set enable_default_folder="yes"
for those that do not care about imap


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Re: default directory for change-folder

[Dairy Wall Limey]

Ren? Clerc wrote:
> * Eric Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [30-11-2001 13:47]:
> 
> | macro index c =
> | But then you lose the (partially useful) functionality of the 
> | last active folder being offered by mutt as the default.
> | 
> | Is there something wrong with this proposal?
> 
> At first it sounds good, but what happens if I want to change to an
> IMAP folder? Prepending "=" obviously doesn't work.

if you have "folder" set correctly it should, no?
if i understand it correctly, = just means 'a known mailbox' so if your
imap 'folder' is set in $folder, and you have it listed as a mailbox,
using = should work the same as a local folder.

i haven't used mutt extensively with imap, so perhaps i'm totally
talking out my ass.

-will

Re: default directory for change-folder

[René Clerc]

* Eric Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [30-11-2001 13:47]:

| I believe that mutt should automatically prepend the value of
| the set-folder variable to whatever the user enters as the 
| destination folder when issuing the change-folder command
| (bound by default to 'c').
| 
| To get round this I have lived with mutt being executed from
| my mail folder dir - but this workaround is no longer convenient for me.
| Also you could map
| macro index c =
| But then you lose the (partially useful) functionality of the 
| last active folder being offered by mutt as the default.
| 
| Is there something wrong with this proposal?

At first it sounds good, but what happens if I want to change to an
IMAP folder? Prepending "=" obviously doesn't work.

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Apologies for GPG hassle (WAS Re: Script to rebuild quotes)

[Prahlad Vaidyanathan]

Hi,

On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 Lars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the ether:
> 
>  Signing list email is a complete useless exercise and wastes my time
>  if your key is not on any key servers (and yes, I tried several, just
>  in case).

Am a bit new to the whole concept of encryption, so I apologize for the
trouble I've caused. I've now put my key onto www.keyserver.net. I think
I've done it right, because when I searched for myself, I found me.

Have also got hold of some literature, so I will RTFM over the next 
couple of days. Meanwhile, I'll also try to pry out my foot from my 
immensely accomodating mouth :-)

Oh, and Steve Kennedy, I believe that's my key that gpg can't check. Try
now, it should be alright.

Sorry again.

NOT signing off,
pv.

PS: If anyone knows of any good reading material, do point it me 
off-list.

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Re: [Announce] mutt-1.3.24i is out (BETA).

[Vincent Lefevre]

On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:21:27 -0800, Dairy Wall Limey wrote:
> hrmm this makes sense... setting this does change the number of '?'s...
> putting:
> set hide_missing
> 
> gives one question mark,

Here, I get several question marks ($hide_missing set). :(

> is there a way to hide the question marks entirely as in older versions
> of mutt?

I'd like this too.

> i find them somewhat distracting. maybe i just need to get used to them.

They are a problem in very long threads.

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Re: GPG, sign & encrypt

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

* Prahlad Vaidyanathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-30 13:08]:
>send-hook   ~l  set pgp_autosign=yes
Could you give me the motivation for this? Off-list, if you like,
because I'm sure this comes up twice a year.

Thorsten
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Strange things with gpg now

[Steve Kennedy]

If I get a pgp/gpg message I now get

> [-- PGP output follows (current time: 11/30/01 13:08:07) --]
> gpg: Signature made 11/30/01 12:08:21 GMT using DSA key ID 2125BB86
> gpg: requesting key 2125BB86 from wwwkeys.uk.pgp.net ...
> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
> [-- End of PGP output --]
> \012
> [-- The following data is signed --]
> \012
> Hi,

Steve


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Re: newbie question

[Morbo]

Hi,

Quoting from the mutt manual:

mailbox shortcuts can be used anywhere where a path to a mailbox is needed

  ·  ! -- refers to your ``$spool'' (incoming) mailbox
  ·  > -- refers to your ``$mbox'' file
  ·  < -- refers to your ``$record'' file
  ·  - or !! -- refers to the file you've last visited
  ·  ~ -- refers to your home directory
  ·  = or + -- refers to your ``$folder'' directory
  ·  @alias -- refers to the ``default save folder'' as determined by the
address of the alias

Balazs

- Original Message -
From: "Jussi Ekholm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:22
Subject: Re: newbie question


> Greg Steele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > When I start mutt I see the contents of /var/spool/.
> > I change folders using 'c' command. I cannot figure out how to
> > get back to view /var/spool/.
>
> *Please*, do not write lines longer than 76 characters (preferably
> 72 characters) - makes replying a pain.
>
> René already told you one way to do it, but I thought I'd share
> my way of doing it, as well. So, I've created symbolic link
> inbox in my maildir, which points to mail spool. I find it quite
> convenient and clear. YMMV.
>
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Re: patch-1.3.23.cd.edit_threads-6[.CYA] not working

[Prahlad Vaidyanathan]

Hi,

On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 Cedric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the ether:
> 
> Hi Prahlad,
> 
> > Any clues as to why this is happening ? This patch could be _very_
> > useful ... if only I can get it to work :-(
> 
> this patch is closely tied to the threading code.

Ahhh - that explains it !

> In the 1.3.23.1 release, this part of the Mutt code has been almost
> completely rewritten by Daniel Eisenbud in an effort to improve its
> efficiency.
> 
> Thus the edit_threads patch won't apply anymore.
> 
> If you want to use it, you should use Mutt 1.3.23.
> Or wait a little... I will rewrite the patch so that it can work along
> with the new threading code.

I'll take the latter option. Thanks !

pv.

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Re: GPG, sign & encrypt

[Prahlad Vaidyanathan]

Hi,

On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 René <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the ether:
> * Markus Boelter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [30-11-2001 11:22]:
> 
> | I'm using mutt and gpg. I want to sign each message with gpg. But:
> | Is it possible to exclude some persons which get mails are not signed?
> 
> I do it the other way around: by default, I don't sign any message.
> And then define persons to which mails _do_ have to be signed.
> 
> This because the vast majority of my recipients probably thinks pgp is
> some sort of automobile ;)

*grin*

Yes, I think most of us have, at one time or another, received a mail
saying 'What was the attachment you sent me ?'. So, it may not be a good
idea to sign _all_ mails.

> | Can I use the "hooks" vor this? I don't wont to press "p" after writing
> | an message an than choose "nothing" - I should sign or not sign
> | automatically mails :)

My settings :


send-hook   .   set pgp_autosign=no # Default
send-hook   ~l  set pgp_autosign=yes
send-hook   ilugc   set pgp_autosign=no # listar@aero mangles it


pv.

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default directory for change-folder

[Eric Smith]

I believe that mutt should automatically prepend the value of
the set-folder variable to whatever the user enters as the 
destination folder when issuing the change-folder command
(bound by default to 'c').

To get round this I have lived with mutt being executed from
my mail folder dir - but this workaround is no longer convenient for me.
Also you could map
macro index c =
But then you lose the (partially useful) functionality of the 
last active folder being offered by mutt as the default.

Is there something wrong with this proposal?
 
-- 
Eric Smith

Re: a dumb question about filter ...

[Gerhard Siegesmund]

> >So, is it really necessary to create ~/.forward in order to use
> >Procmail, or is it just Exim, who notices if there's Procmail in
> >use?
> I don't know Exim, but it can obviously configured to use an MDA/LDA
> to do the actual delivery. Grep for procmail in Exim's configuration
> files.

You can configure almost all MTA to use procmail for local mail
transport. So people who are lucky to have procmail as their default
local mail deliverer don't have to use the .forward-File. Maybe you can
ask your administrator to setup sendmail or exim to use procmail. This
is (more or less) just a small configuration change. Moreover you can
also use the "procmail sanitizer" to check for worms and viruses in the
mails before they reach your MUA

http://www.impsec.org/email-tools/procmail-security.html

As there are several persons in my network reading their mail under
windows this is just great!

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Re: 1.3.24 fails to compile on SunOS

[Steve Kennedy]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:24:36PM +, Lars Hecking wrote:

>  http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mutt-dev&m=100288683121313&w=2
>  http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mutt-dev&m=100288714522738&w=2

No that's fine, but shouldn't it be fixed somewhere ... it's been
around for a while ...

Steve

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Re: 1.3.24 fails to compile on SunOS

[Lars Hecking]

Steve Kennedy writes:
> SunOS 4.1.4 gcc 2.95.2
> 
> make[2]: Entering directory `/home2/ns/steve/mutt/mutt-1.3.24/imap'
> gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -I../intl  -I/usr/local/include -I../intl
>  -Wall -pedantic -O2 -c auth.c
> In file included from ../protos.h:20,
>  from ../mutt.h:809,
>  from auth.c:23:
> ../mbyte.h:18: parse error before `wc'
> ../mbyte.h:19: parse error before `wc'
> ../mbyte.h:20: parse error before `wc'
> ../mbyte.h:21: parse error before `towupper'
> ../mbyte.h:21: parse error before `wc'
> ../mbyte.h:21: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `towupper'
> ../mbyte.h:21: ANSI C forbids data definition with no type or storage class
> ../mbyte.h:22: parse error before `towlower'
> ../mbyte.h:22: parse error before `wc'
> ../mbyte.h:22: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `towlower'
> ../mbyte.h:22: ANSI C forbids data definition with no type or storage class
> gmake[2]: *** [auth.o] Error 1
> gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/home2/ns/steve/mutt/mutt-1.3.24/imap'
> gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home2/ns/steve/mutt/mutt-1.3.24'
> gmake: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2

 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mutt-dev&m=100288683121313&w=2
 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mutt-dev&m=100288714522738&w=2

 Sorry :-)

procmail in Mandrake8.1

[Jun Liu]

Hi, all,

Just found out that procmail doesn't need .forward in mandrake8.1.
Everything just works if you write .procmailrc correctly.

Later I would like to try maildrop, :)

Thanks for you all,

/Jun

Re: Script to rebuild quotes

[Lars Hecking]

 Signing list email is a complete useless exercise and wastes my time
 if your key is not on any key servers (and yes, I tried several, just
 in case).

[-- PGP output follows (current time: Fri 30 Nov 2001 12:14:19 PM GMT) --]
gpg: Signature made Fri Nov 30 08:04:08 2001 GMT using DSA key ID 2125BB86
gpg: requesting key 2125BB86 from search.keyserver.net ...
gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
gpg: Total number processed: 0
gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[-- End of PGP output --]


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1.3.24 fails to compile on SunOS

[Steve Kennedy]

SunOS 4.1.4 gcc 2.95.2

make[2]: Entering directory `/home2/ns/steve/mutt/mutt-1.3.24/imap'
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -I../intl  -I/usr/local/include -I../intl
 -Wall -pedantic -O2 -c auth.c
In file included from ../protos.h:20,
 from ../mutt.h:809,
 from auth.c:23:
../mbyte.h:18: parse error before `wc'
../mbyte.h:19: parse error before `wc'
../mbyte.h:20: parse error before `wc'
../mbyte.h:21: parse error before `towupper'
../mbyte.h:21: parse error before `wc'
../mbyte.h:21: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `towupper'
../mbyte.h:21: ANSI C forbids data definition with no type or storage class
../mbyte.h:22: parse error before `towlower'
../mbyte.h:22: parse error before `wc'
../mbyte.h:22: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `towlower'
../mbyte.h:22: ANSI C forbids data definition with no type or storage class
gmake[2]: *** [auth.o] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/home2/ns/steve/mutt/mutt-1.3.24/imap'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home2/ns/steve/mutt/mutt-1.3.24'
gmake: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2

Steve

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Re: a dumb question about filter ...

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

* Dairy Wall Limey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-30 12:47]:
>with postfix (if mailbox_command isn't set to procmail -t) you don't
>need a fancy sendmail style .forward i just use:
>
>zugzug% cat .forward
>"| /usr/bin/procmail -t"
Use
"| /usr/bin/procmail -t || exit 75"
if you want Postfix to retry on errors.

Thorsten
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temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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Re: a dumb question about filter ...

[Prahlad Vaidyanathan]

Hi,

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 Jun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the ether:
> Hi, all,
> 
> This probably sounds stupid but I really get stuck here. I don't know
> how to setup filters to organize different mailing list into different
> folder, just like pine does.

As everyone else seems to have pointed out, this is procmail's job, and
not really that of an MUA. (I don't know how Pine organizes it, as I've
never used Pine :-)

Here is the filter in my procmailrc (careful with the line-breaks, if
any) :



MAILDIR=$HOME/Email
ARCHIVEDIR=$MAILDIR/archive
:0
* ^(X-list: |X-Mailing-List-Name: |Sender: owner-|X-BeenThere: |Delivered-To: mailing 
list |X-Mailing-List: <|X-Loop: |X-List-ID: <)\/[^@\.]+
{
LISTNAME=`echo $MATCH | sed -e 's/[\/]/_/g'`
LISTARCHIVEDIR=$ARCHIVEDIR/$LISTNAME
 
:0 Wic
* ? test ! -d $LISTARCHIVEDIR
| mkdir $LISTARCHIVEDIR

:0 c
| gzip >> $LISTARCHIVEDIR/`date +%m-%Y`.$LISTNAME.gz
 
:0
$MAILDIR/$LISTNAME
}



Hope this helps.

pv.

PS: Of course, you need to ensure that procmail is called from your
MTA's config file.

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Re: Script to rebuild quotes

[Prahlad Vaidyanathan]

Hi,

On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the ether:
[-- snip --] 
> It's written in Ruby (http://www.ruby-lang.org/), but I can do a Perl
> version if anyone really doesn't want to install Ruby.

Well, it seems like a great idea :-)

If and when you finish the perl script, do post it (I just can't find
the time/inclination to play with ruby right now ;-)

pv.

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Re: a dumb question about filter ...

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

* Jussi Ekholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-30 12:40]:
>Just out of curiosity; I'm using Exim as MTA and Mutt (of course)
>as MUA. Procmail filters incoming mail into different mailboxes 
>and kills spam from known addresses. Still, I haven't set up
>~/.forward.
>So, is it really necessary to create ~/.forward in order to use
>Procmail, or is it just Exim, who notices if there's Procmail in
>use?
I don't know Exim, but it can obviously configured to use an MDA/LDA
to do the actual delivery. Grep for procmail in Exim's configuration
files.

>I only have ~/.procmailrc, which calls for another file, which is the
>recipe file itself.
Why is that?

Thorsten
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temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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Re: a dumb question about filter ...

[Dairy Wall Limey]

Jussi Ekholm wrote:
> 
> So, is it really necessary to create ~/.forward in order to use
> Procmail, or is it just Exim, who notices if there's Procmail in use?

if exim uses procmail as its LDA, no .forward is needed - your
.procmailrc is read already.  since you don't need a .forward, my guess
is that exim is indeed using procmail as an LDA (i don't think it has
its own).  it doesn't notice whether or not procmail is in use
though

with postfix (if mailbox_command isn't set to procmail -t) you don't
need a fancy sendmail style .forward i just use:

zugzug% cat .forward
"| /usr/bin/procmail -t"

which seems to work fine.

w

Re: how to switch between mailboxes?

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

* Jun Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-30 12:12]:
>I use procmail to filter those incoming email into different mailboxes,
>but I don't know how to get into these mailboxes. Mutt only gives me the
>/var/spool/mail/lxj. 
Set them:
mailboxes `find /path/to/your/directory/of/mailboxes -type f -print | grep -Ev 
'(log|backup|sent|postponed|trash)' | xargs`

Thorsten
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Re: a dumb question about filter ...

[Jussi Ekholm]

Cristian Pietsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Techies use procmail for this task. First you have to tell your Mail
> Transport Agent to let procmail deliver your mail. You do this by
> creating a file called ~/.forward containing this line:
> "| exec procmail -f- "

Just out of curiosity; I'm using Exim as MTA and Mutt (of course)
as MUA. Procmail filters incoming mail into different mailboxes 
and kills spam from known addresses. Still, I haven't set up
~/.forward. I only have ~/.procmailrc, which calls for another file,
which is the recipe file itself. 

So, is it really necessary to create ~/.forward in order to use
Procmail, or is it just Exim, who notices if there's Procmail in
use?

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http://ekhowl.goa-head.org   they're just to take you to sweet harmony"

Re: newbie question

[Jussi Ekholm]

Greg Steele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> When I start mutt I see the contents of /var/spool/. 
> I change folders using 'c' command. I cannot figure out how to 
> get back to view /var/spool/. 

*Please*, do not write lines longer than 76 characters (preferably
72 characters) - makes replying a pain.

René already told you one way to do it, but I thought I'd share
my way of doing it, as well. So, I've created symbolic link
inbox in my maildir, which points to mail spool. I find it quite
convenient and clear. YMMV. 

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Re: how to switch between mailboxes?

[René Clerc]

* Jun Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [30-11-2001 12:14]:

| I use procmail to filter those incoming email into different mailboxes,
| but I don't know how to get into these mailboxes. Mutt only gives me the
| /var/spool/mail/lxj. 

Check out the "mailboxes" directive. This directive tells mutt which
mailboxes to check for new mail, and, when you press  at the
change folder prompt, will make mutt show a list of these mailboxes,
for easy access.

HTH,

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how to switch between mailboxes?

[Jun Liu]

Hi, all,

I use procmail to filter those incoming email into different mailboxes,
but I don't know how to get into these mailboxes. Mutt only gives me the
/var/spool/mail/lxj. 

Thanks, 

/Jun

Re: GPG, sign & encrypt

[Thorsten Haude]

Moin,

* Markus Boelter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-30 11:20]:
>I'm using mutt and gpg. I want to sign each message with gpg.
Questionable at best, but completly useless unless you get your keys
on the server.

>But: Is it possible to exclude some persons which get mails are not
>signed?
Yes, by setting a send-hook that modifies $pgp_autosign. You need a
list of persons though.

Thorsten
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Re: mutt & gpg encryption ...

[Jens Georg]

Andreas Selig wrote:

> wasn't correct . I already read in the mailinglist several threads but
> nothing helped:
> I tryed : set pgp_good_sign="gpg: Korrekte Unterschrift von"


set pgp_good_sign="^gpg: Korrekte Unterschrift von" works fine here

Re: GPG, sign & encrypt

[René Clerc]

* Markus Boelter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [30-11-2001 11:22]:

| I'm using mutt and gpg. I want to sign each message with gpg. But:
| Is it possible to exclude some persons which get mails are not signed?

I do it the other way around: by default, I don't sign any message.
And then define persons to which mails _do_ have to be signed.

This because the vast majority of my recipients probably thinks pgp is
some sort of automobile ;)

| Can I use the "hooks" vor this? I don't wont to press "p" after writing
| an message an than choose "nothing" - I should sign or not sign
| automatically mails :)

I use the following:

send-hook .   "set pgp_autosign=no"
send-hook "~C mutt\.org"  "set pgp_autosign=yes"

You should be able to adapt this to your situation.

Bye,

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Re: Trailing Lines

[Thomas Dickey]

On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:20:06AM +0530, Prahlad Vaidyanathan wrote:
> In Vim,
  in vi
> 
> :g/^$/d

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Re: a dumb question about filter ...

[Cristian Pietsch]

Hi Jun,

my Pine manual says that it's a bad idea to use Pine or any other
email client for this purpose. It's funny that nevertheless Pine 4
offers this kind of service.

Techies use procmail for this task. First you have to tell your Mail
Transport Agent to let procmail deliver your mail. You do this by
creating a file called ~/.forward containing this line:
"| exec procmail -f- "

To tell the truth, my line actually reads,
"|IFS=' ' && p=/usr/bin/procmail && test -f $p && exec $p -Yf- || exit 75 #cris"
where chris is my login. I don't think this complicated stuff is
really necessary.

Now you can set up procmail to fit your needs. The procmail config
file is called ~/.procmailrc -- but now it's time for you to consult
the fine manual pages (do "man procmail", "man procmailrc" and "man
procmailex").

I just noticed that somebody suggested Maildrop. It may be wise to
look at Maildrop first -- I surmise it is easier to use. Procmail,
on the other hand, is very powerful and the de-facto standard in this
area. Enough of this -- this topic should be discussed elsewhere.
I just converted to Mutt, and I'm glad I don't have to modify anything
in my procmail configuration.

Since this is my first posting on this list, I may perhaps wave to the
developers of Mutt and congratulate them for this fine piece of
software. After I installed it at home on my Linux machine, I went
straight on into my institute and installed in on the Solaris servers
because I could not wait for the admin to install it globally. It
compiled with no hassle at all (SuSE 7.2 and Solaris 2.6 / SunOS 5.6).

Cheers,
Cristian 


On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 11:38:44PM +0100, Jun Liu wrote:
> This probably sounds stupid but I really get stuck here. I don't know
> how to setup filters to organize different mailing list into different
> folder, just like pine does.

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GPG, sign & encrypt

[Markus Boelter]

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Re: a dumb question about filter ...

[Thorsten Haude]

Moin,

* Cristian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-30 00:29]:
>I just noticed that somebody suggested Maildrop. It may be wise to
>look at Maildrop first -- I surmise it is easier to use. Procmail,
>on the other hand, is very powerful and the de-facto standard in this
>area.
I used Procmail for two years, then had a look at Maildrop and
translated my procmail.rc in five minutes. Is there anything that
Procmail (not Formail) can and Maildrop cannot?

Incidentally, I never used Maildrop but immediately jumped to
Mail::Audit. Now *this* is powerful. Slow though.

>Enough of this -- this topic should be discussed elsewhere.
Sorry. I just think that Procmail is for techies *only*.

>I just converted to Mutt, and I'm glad I don't have to modify anything
>in my procmail configuration.
And that's the real advantage of modular software: You can switch MUA
or MDA without the other being affected.

Thorsten
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temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin

Re: Mail-Followup-To

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

* Thomas Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-30 00:21]:
>* Thorsten Haude ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> Yeah, the basic brain-dead-mailer-problem and its reply-to-munging or
>> group-reply answer. Fortunately, there's Mutt. I use group-reply about
>> once a year.
>I have 'r' rebound to list-reply for all my mailing lists (bar one
>broken one).  Nice having a MUA this flexible, means all the lists that
>use (or don't use) Reply-To: act the same :)
I thought about this, but I answer individually too often. I'd rather
make my filter weed out Reply-Tos in known offenders.

>> Dairy, you could set the Reply-To header, this is more widely honored
>> than Mail-Followup-To.  Ah. I guess they would hit group-reply anyway.
>It would be nice to, in addition to the option to set Mail-Followup-To,
>to be able to set Reply-To: to the list address automatically.  Anything
>that helps cut down the dupes is Good[tm]..
See my other mail.

Thorsten
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temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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Re: [Announce] mutt-1.3.24i is out (BETA).

[dirk . ruediger]

Hi all!

On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Thomas Roessler wrote:

> I've just released the next mutt beta, version 1.3.24i.
> 
> Some of the more interesting changes against mutt-1.3.23i:

Just a question: are you also announcing to mutt-annunce?
I've subscribed it, but never read any announcments...

Ciao for now, Dirk
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