Re: \222 instead of "'"

[Gary Johnson]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 03:20:55AM -0500, Ken Wahl wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 10:06:49AM -0800, Gary Johnson wrote:
> > How about
> > 
> > set display_filter=demoroniser
> > 
> > instead?  Then you can still use mutt's built-in pager and have the
> > headers weeded.
> > 
> > You need to install a patch to get the display_filter for 1.2.5.  I
> > don't know about the 1.3.x series.
> 
> I just tried your suggestion with 1.3.25i and it led to some funky
> terminal refresh problems.  I can, however, pipe a message through
> demoroniser manually without problems using the pipe "|" command.

I received e-mail earlier from Michael Sanders who reported that it
worked fine for him.  He is using 1.3.22.1i.

> I was unable to find a display_filter patch on the mutt ftp server.

I got the patch for 1.2 from either the mutt-users or mutt-dev list when
it was first created.  As I said, I know nothing about the 1.3.x series,
so perhaps Michael can tell you what he did.

I realize that this reply hasn't been very helpful, but I didn't want
to ignore you--I just don't have the answers.

Gary

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Where outgoing mail is saved.

[Nick Wilson]

Hi 
Although I have this line in .muttrc
set record="~/Mail/records/"
Mutt appears to be saving outgoing copies of my mail to ~/Mail.

Why is this happening. Am I missing something somewhere?

Many thanks guys
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Fax:+45 3325 0677
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Re: Where outgoing mail is saved.

[Alexander Wasmuth]

Nick Wilson schrieb:

> Although I have this line in .muttrc
> set record="~/Mail/records/"
^

Are you using maildir- or mbox-format? If you're using mbox and your
outgoing mail should be saved in the file "records" the line must be:

 set record=~/Mail/records


Alex
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help a now confused mutt newbie

[rhad]

Ok, So I do not wish to go back to Kmail (which was my former mail client)
and I heard a lot of good things about mutt.  However, I cannot seem to get
it to work.  My objective in sending out this plea seems to be two things:

1) understand how exactly mutt recieves email.  In my first several
attempts, I slowly gathered the impression that mutt wanted me to configure
at least sendmail and fetchmail in addition to mutt.  I.e.: that mutt acts
only as a viewing agent to the standard unix mail programs.  In the
successive attempts to understand sendmail and fetchmail (neither of which I
have ever used--at least knowingly) I have become slightly lost.  The mutt
manual delves, IMHO, more into mutt configuration and uses, than actually
explaining how the heck to get it to recieve email.

Which brings me to questions two:

2) Is there somebody out there who would not mind a potentially lengthy
email-fest to help me figure this out?  I have (what I consider) to be a
rather weird setup:

I want mutt to handle three email accounts:  this one, at my university, and
2 yahoo accounts.  I do not live at the university, but am on DSL in the
surrounding area.  Therefore, I have one dedicated outgoing mail server for
all of the accounts (swbell-DSL), and 3 pop servers for incoming mail.  I
use suse linux 7.3, and I keep all my machines behind a NAT-based router
with a static IP.

Thanks for any and all help here to get this working.

rhad

Re: Working with mbox

[Cameron Simpson]

On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:07:08PM -0700, Rob 'Feztaa' Park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Hey all. I was just wondering if there was some way that I could get
| mutt to automatically set up my mbox hooks for every folder in my ~/mail
| directory, so that way I can subscribe to a new mailing list without
| having to edit my .muttrc.
| 
| Right now I've got this set up:
| 
| mbox-hook =spam "=archives/`date +%Y-%m`-spam"
| mbox-hook =inbox "=archives/`date +%Y-%m`-inbox"
| ...
| 
| (and so on for all of my mboxes). I want to automate this so I don't
| have to write a new one for all future mailing lists that I might decide
| to subscribe to :)
| 
| I'm pretty sure I've seen this done somewhere, but I can't find it.

Well, it's indirect, but you could wrap mutt in a script which said:

#!/bin/sh
( cd $HOME/mail
  when=`date +%Y-%m`
  for mbox in *
  do  echo "mbox-hook =$mbox \"=archives/$when-$mbox\""
  done >$HOME/.muttrc-auto
)
exec real-mutt-program ${1+"$@"}

and just source .muttrc-auto from .muttrc. Ugly but would work.
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Re: How to allow mutt accept composing an empty-body mail?

[Philip Mak]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 12:37:03PM +0800, Charles Jie wrote:
> I didn't find suitable setting to make mutt not to abandon composing a
> mail without content. Help, please.
> 
> charlie

set abort_nosubject=no # allow sending messages without subject
set abort_unmodified=no # allow sending messages without body

pgp-hook extension addendum

[Dale Woolridge]

On Wednesday I sent out a note about a patch I had developed for mutt which
allows for circumventing the pgp-hook confirm prompt as well as automatically
selecting keys (when only one matching key is available).  I have made a update
to the patch, correcting a possible error in scanning trust values for uids
attached to keys.  In Wednesday's message, I also forgot to add that the
patch was for version 1.3.25, though it will likely work for a number of
previous 1.3.x versions.  I also decided to create a patch for 1.2.5 (which
should also work for 1.2.5.1); it not tested for 1.2.x.  Another faux pas
perhaps on my part was in sending out the patch, rather than providing some
URL for it.  You can now find it at http://www.woolridge.org/mutt/
--
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Re: A couple of probably dumb questions :)

[Thorsten Haude]

Moin,

* Cameron Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-01-04 01:54]:
>On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 03:29:51PM +0100, Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>| Procmail is indeed a close relative to Sendmail, it's rc file syntax
>| is bloody. I propose Mail::Audit if you know Perl, Maildrop otherwise.
>
>Procmail is pretty verbose, but you don't have to deal with it directly.
>I use this:
>
>   http://freshmeat.net/projects/cats2procmailrc/
>
>to read list of simple one line rules for filing and write a procmailrc
>from that. Maintenance is: hack rules, rerun cats2procmailrc.
Well, Maildrop's syntax is: Hack rules. I do also think its language
is simpler than yours:

if (/pattern/)
to Mailbox

No further explanation needed.

But anyway, your tool is the ultimate proof that Procmail sucks. The
notion that I should use a meta language to get a grip on it is a
joke.

Sorry for the harsh words, but Procmail is my personal proof that I
don't use technologies for no better reason than that they are
popular or complex.
If I for some reason would absolutely have to use Procmail, I would
use c2p, but I really don't see a reason to continue using a standard
tool while at least two contenders are more usable and/or more
powerful. That is the reason I quit Windows.

Thorsten
-- 
Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
- Georges Santayana

Re: A couple of probably dumb questions :)

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

* Ken Wahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-01-04 09:58]:
>I suggest that you stick with procmail, like mutt it's worth the initial 
>learning curve.
So? What offers Procmail (once learned) that Maildrop doesn't?

>Aside from the cats2procmailrc tool there's also plenty of procmail
>based recipes and tools floating around the net.  Do a google search for
>Procmail + spam and take your pick.
Yes, Procmail's Standard Library is certainly unmatched by other
filters.

Thorsten
-- 
Freedom to be an idiot is part of freedom in general.

Re: help a now confused mutt newbie

[Thorsten Haude]

Moin,

* rhad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-01-04 00:28]:
>1) understand how exactly mutt recieves email.
Please try
www.vranx.de/mail/mail.html
for an overview and tell me what could be improved in the text.

One thing I found myself: The mail is kept in mailboxes, which are
either files (mbox format) or directories (Maildir format) on your
hard disk. These are fed by the MDA (step 3) and read by the MUA (step
4). (A different and probably better way to handle this would be an
IMAP server.)

>2) Is there somebody out there who would not mind a potentially lengthy
>email-fest to help me figure this out?  I have (what I consider) to be a
>rather weird setup:
I guess you could get help here.

>I want mutt to handle three email accounts:  this one, at my university, and
>2 yahoo accounts.  I do not live at the university, but am on DSL in the
>surrounding area.  Therefore, I have one dedicated outgoing mail server for
>all of the accounts (swbell-DSL), and 3 pop servers for incoming mail.  I
>use suse linux 7.3, and I keep all my machines behind a NAT-based router
>with a static IP.
No problem, I've seen worse. Just set Fetchmail up to collect from the
three accounts and configure the MTA to deliver to the outgoing
server. I would recommend Postfix instead of Sendmail. I used SuSE's
setup for a start, but switched it off after a while.

Thorsten
-- 
Death to all fanatics!

Re: Where outgoing mail is saved.

[David T-G]

Nick --

...and then Nick Wilson said...
% 
% Hi 

Hello!


% Although I have this line in .muttrc
% set record="~/Mail/records/"
% Mutt appears to be saving outgoing copies of my mail to ~/Mail.

$record is supposed to be a single mailbox (mbox file, Maildir dir, or
whatever), but since you pluralize it here I bet that you wanted to have
a directory containing all of your records for each user.

If you want to save by username, set $save_name (and probably
$force_name).  If you want to save by username under some other
directory, use something like

  fcc-hook . =records/%O

to force mutt to use the 'O'riginally-planned filename but put it 
under =records instead of =.


% 
% Why is this happening. Am I missing something somewhere?

It could just be a miscommunication :-)


% 
% Many thanks guys

HTH & HAND & Happy New Year to all


% -- 
% 
% Nick Wilson
% 
% Tel:  +45 3325 0688
% Fax:  +45 3325 0677
% Web:  www.explodingnet.com
% 
% 


:-D
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mutt & links

[giorgian]

hi all,
i'd like to use links as html viewer for mutt, but when a file has not
a .html extension, links doesn't interpret it, just shows the source.

how can i tell mutt to call the files whatever.html before giving them
to links? 

thanx

--
giorgian

Re: mutt & links

[René Clerc]

* giorgian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-01-2002 13:39]:

| hi all,
| i'd like to use links as html viewer for mutt, but when a file has not
| a .html extension, links doesn't interpret it, just shows the source.
| 
| how can i tell mutt to call the files whatever.html before giving them
| to links? 

My mailcap contains the following entries:

text/html;  links %s; nametemplate=%s.html
text/html;  links -dump %s; nametemplate=%s.html; copiousoutput

I have auto_view text/html set, too. This makes it possible that html
emails are displayed in the pager, and when I view an html attachment
(i.e. through the  menu; this could very well be the
body of that same message), links is fired up.

HTH,

-- 
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No woman, no cry.
-Bob Marley 



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IMAP

[Michal Suchanek]

Is there any easy way how one could switch to IMAP folder in mutt
1.2.5i ? The IMAP folders arent listed anwhere, and their names like
{[EMAIL PROTECTED]}inbox arent easy to type. Some
shortcut would be nice..
Whats the IMAP folder browsing manual speaks about? 
How do I set up two IMAP accounts?

-- 
Michal Suchanek
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: IMAP

[David T-G]

Michael --

...and then Michal Suchanek said...
% 
% Is there any easy way how one could switch to IMAP folder in mutt
% 1.2.5i ? The IMAP folders arent listed anwhere, and their names like

The best answer to this question is to upgrade to 1.3.25 (the current
beta, with the security fix that 1.2.5 also needs so you'll be upgrading
anyway) or wait just a bit (we all hope) for 1.4 (the next stable version)
to be released.


% {[EMAIL PROTECTED]}inbox arent easy to type. Some
% shortcut would be nice..
% Whats the IMAP folder browsing manual speaks about? 

I dunno if that's only in the 1.3.x series; someone else will have to
help you with that.


% How do I set up two IMAP accounts?

The easiest is probably to use some macros to change your IMAP user name
and mailbox.  The second easiest is probably to use some folder-hooks in
1.3.25 against imap://user@server/path/to/mailbox or some such.


% 
% -- 
%   Michal Suchanek
%   [EMAIL PROTECTED]


:-D
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Re: IMAP

[Kai Blin]

* Michal Suchanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04/01/02, 14:01:40]:

> Is there any easy way how one could switch to IMAP folder in mutt
> 1.2.5i ? The IMAP folders arent listed anwhere, and their names like


Don't you get a list of your IMAP folders if you type


c ? 


(small c, question mark, TAB key)


with me this works since mutt 1.2


> {[EMAIL PROTECTED]}inbox arent easy to type. Some
> shortcut would be nice..
> Whats the IMAP folder browsing manual speaks about? 
> How do I set up two IMAP accounts?


Just like your folders are set up . But I'm afraid mutt will prompt you for a
password every time you change from one account to another.


HTH

Kai


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Re: [Announce] SECURITY: mutt-1.2.5.1 and mutt-1.3.25 released.

[Kai Blin]

* Russell Hoover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [03/01/02, 22:46:12]:

> On Tue 01/01/02 at 09:40 PM +0100, Thomas Roessler
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > mutt-1.2.5.1 and mutt-1.3.25 have just been released.
> > These releases both fix a security hole which can be remotely
> > exploited.  ^
>   ^^
> 
> I'm not sure what that means -- can you send an e-mail message
> that hijacks the mutt process?


This means you can send an email with the header line hacked and execute
code that's run with the rights of the mutt user.


Greets

Kai


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Re: IMAP

[Paul Roberts]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 02:32:15PM +0100, Kai Blin wrote:
> * Michal Suchanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04/01/02, 14:01:40]:
> 
> > Is there any easy way how one could switch to IMAP folder in mutt
> > 1.2.5i ? The IMAP folders arent listed anwhere, and their names like
> 
> 
> Don't you get a list of your IMAP folders if you type
> 
> 
> c ? 
> 
> 

I think for this to work you have to set the folder variable to point to
your imap account, and then it will know to look there for folders:

set folder=imap://imap.server/

I could be wrong about this though...

- Paul


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Re: Where outgoing mail is saved.

[Nick Wilson]

* David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020104 14:05]:
> Nick --
> 
> ...and then Nick Wilson said...
> % 
> % Hi 
> 
> Hello!
> 
> 
> % Although I have this line in .muttrc
> % set record="~/Mail/records/"
> % Mutt appears to be saving outgoing copies of my mail to ~/Mail.
> 
> $record is supposed to be a single mailbox (mbox file, Maildir dir, or
> whatever), but since you pluralize it here I bet that you wanted to have
> a directory containing all of your records for each user.
> 
> If you want to save by username, set $save_name (and probably
> $force_name).  If you want to save by username under some other
> directory, use something like
> 
>   fcc-hook . =records/%O
> 
> to force mutt to use the 'O'riginally-planned filename but put it 
> under =records instead of =.
> 
> 

Thanks, I'm not familiar with the mbox (or any other format) I just
migrated from Kmail.
My records file is not a file at all but a folder. I'll change it
immediately. I guess I just create an empty file called records?

I would like to be able to look at all mails sent to a particular
address and suchlike, will mbox let me do this?

I'll look into the hook thing but I've read the manual and didn't really
get it.

One more thing
I notice that I could reply to this mail by typing 'R' but I didn't
receive a mail from Alex who also replied (thanks Alex) just a copy in
the 'digest'. I'm new to mailing lists (clearly).

What gives?

Many thanks :)


Nick Wilson

Tel:+45 3325 0688
Fax:+45 3325 0677
Web:www.explodingnet.com

Re: IMAP

[René Clerc]

* Kai Blin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-01-2002 14:34]:

| > How do I set up two IMAP accounts?
| 
| Just like your folders are set up . But I'm afraid mutt will prompt you for a
| password every time you change from one account to another.

I use the following:

account-hook . 'unset imap_user imap_pass'
account-hook imaps://mx1.tryllian.com/ 'source ~/.mutt/imap'

In the latter config file imap_user and imap_pass are set.
Of course, this can be expanded to more accounts.

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Re: Where outgoing mail is saved.

[Paul Roberts]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 02:41:01PM +0100, Nick Wilson wrote:

> One more thing
> I notice that I could reply to this mail by typing 'R' but I didn't
> receive a mail from Alex who also replied (thanks Alex) just a copy in
> the 'digest'. I'm new to mailing lists (clearly).
> 

If you only receive list posts via the digest and not as individual
emails, then Alex probably used the list-reply function to reply to your
message, which only send his reply to the list. That stops you from
receiving two copies of the message.

Cheers, - Paul

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M$ Exchange Server

[Elimar Riesebieter]

Hi,

I wish all of you a happy new year!

I am using mutt since 2 months and I am convinced of its power.

So it would be very helpfull for me to use mutt as well in my
office! There I do have a linux desktop and some unix boxes arround.
The company wide mailsystem is based on that product called
"M$-Exchange-Server", and I am not able to change the mind of some
admins to use a linux box instead!

My question:

How can I communicate with that Exchange box to get all my mails by
mutt or fetch- and procmail?
Smtp sending is no problem. I am using a thin postfixserver on my
laptop, which sends the mails to mail.smtp.company!

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance!

Ciao

Elimar

-- 
Learned men are the cisterns of knowledge, not the fountainheads ;-)
--

Re: IMAP

[Kai Blin]

* Paul Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04/01/02, 13:37:22]:

> > Don't you get a list of your IMAP folders if you type
> > 
> > c ? 
> > 
> 
> I think for this to work you have to set the folder variable to point to
> your imap account, and then it will know to look there for folders:
> 
> set folder=imap://imap.server/
> 

My folder setting is ~/Mail :)

That's the reason why I have to press  after pressing ?.


Greets

Kai


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Re: M$ Exchange Server

[Steve Kennedy]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 02:45:42PM +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:

> The company wide mailsystem is based on that product called
> "M$-Exchange-Server", and I am not able to change the mind of some
> admins to use a linux box instead!
> My question:
> How can I communicate with that Exchange box to get all my mails by
> mutt or fetch- and procmail?
> Smtp sending is no problem. I am using a thin postfixserver on my
> laptop, which sends the mails to mail.smtp.company!
> Any ideas?

Make sure the admins have enabled IMAP, and use mutt's IMAP
functions. Works fine.

Steve

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Re: M$ Exchange Server

[René Clerc]

* Elimar Riesebieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-01-2002 14:50]:

| I wish all of you a happy new year!

Same to you!

| How can I communicate with that Exchange box to get all my mails by
| mutt or fetch- and procmail?

Am I missing the point? I'm no Exchange guru, but can't you just use
pop, IMAP or fetchmail? Does Exchange honor the usual mail retrieval
protocols?

| Any ideas?

HTH,

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before lying down.
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Re: Where outgoing mail is saved.

[David T-G]

Nick --

...and then Nick Wilson said...
% 
% * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020104 14:05]:
% > 
% > ...and then Nick Wilson said...
% > 
% > % Although I have this line in .muttrc
% > % set record="~/Mail/records/"
% > % Mutt appears to be saving outgoing copies of my mail to ~/Mail.
% > 
% > $record is supposed to be a single mailbox (mbox file, Maildir dir, or
% > whatever), but since you pluralize it here I bet that you wanted to have
% > a directory containing all of your records for each user.
...
% 
% Thanks, I'm not familiar with the mbox (or any other format) I just
% migrated from Kmail.

No problem.  You can safely Not Worry or you can learn about the
differences.  As far as mail handling is concerned, mbox is not really
different from Maildir, MH, or MMDF (or even an IMAP connection).
Each file format has its own nuances of advantages and disadvantages.


% My records file is not a file at all but a folder. I'll change it

What's in this "folder"?  Do you have one "thingie" (I will for the moment
dispense with the sometimes confusing differentiations between files,
folders, and mailboxes) for each user whom you've sent mail, perhaps?


% immediately. I guess I just create an empty file called records?

Don't let my statement change the way you do your work; if you have
a directory with lots of mailboxes in it and you like that then you
certainly ought to be able to keep that, and I'll bet a twinkie that
mutt can handle it.   I don't know, however, what's in there without
actually looking -- or having you tell me :-)

Renaming the records directory would do the trick; you don't even need to
touch an empty file (though you might get hit with a "create file?"
prompt if you have $confirmcreate set).  You probably want to drop the
trailing slash in your 'set record=' line, though.


% 
% I would like to be able to look at all mails sent to a particular
% address and suchlike, will mbox let me do this?

mutt will let you limit your display or search for messages based on
a huge list of criteria; that list includes, but is not limited to,
recipient and address and so on.


% 
% I'll look into the hook thing but I've read the manual and didn't really
% get it.

I'd give some examples but I don't have much time (and please forgive
any typos; I now have a baby on my arm :-)  Keep reading; it will click.


% 
% One more thing
% I notice that I could reply to this mail by typing 'R' but I didn't
% receive a mail from Alex who also replied (thanks Alex) just a copy in
% the 'digest'. I'm new to mailing lists (clearly).

I typically use 'g'roup reply to ensure that a copy will go not only
to the mailing list but also directly to the user unless he has set
Mail-Followup-To: to indicate his desire.  I don't know how your mutt
keys are bound, but 'R' is usually bound to recall-message.  If you have
your mailing lists defined (see "lists" and "subscribe" in the manual,
and remember that any "subscribe"d list is already defined and does not
have to be noted in a "lists" command) then using L will generate a
mailing list reply instead of a direct reply; I suspect that that's what
Alex did.


% 
% What gives?

Just more manual reading necessary :-)


% 
% Many thanks :)

HTH & HAND & HNY


% 
% 
% Nick Wilson
% 
% Tel:  +45 3325 0688
% Fax:  +45 3325 0677
% Web:  www.explodingnet.com
% 
% 


:-D
-- 
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(play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie
(work) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Where outgoing mail is saved.

[René Clerc]

* David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-01-2002 15:07]:

| I'd give some examples but I don't have much time (and please forgive
| any typos; I now have a baby on my arm :-)  Keep reading; it will click.
 
David,

Congratulations!!!

-- 
René Clerc  - ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Dreams will get you nowhere, a good kick in the pants will take you a
long way.
-Graffiti



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Re: Where outgoing mail is saved.

[David T-G]

Nick --

...and then Nick Wilson said...
% 
% * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020104 15:03]:
% > 
% > ...and then Nick Wilson said...
% > % 
% > % * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020104 14:05]:
% > % > 
% > % > ...and then Nick Wilson said...
% > % > 
% > % > % Although I have this line in .muttrc
% > % > % set record="~/Mail/records/"
% > % > % Mutt appears to be saving outgoing copies of my mail to ~/Mail.
% > % > 
% > % > $record is supposed to be a single mailbox (mbox file, Maildir dir, or
...
% > % immediately. I guess I just create an empty file called records?
% > 
% > Don't let my statement change the way you do your work; if you have
...
% 
% Hmmm... Thanks.

Sure thing.


% Don't worry you're not changing the way I work at all, just helping me
% define a way.

Good enough.  There are certainly lots of ways to do that :-)


% 
% How do I reply to a particular part of the digest? If I see a 'RE:
% something I posted' in the digest do I simply address a message to
% [EMAIL PROTECTED] with that subject line or is there some way of mutt
% knowing which part of the digest I'm reading?

Well, AFAIK most folks don't reply to digests; they get the individual
messages and then reply to them.  The digest itself is a different
message, and so when you reply to that you're in a different thread than
you would be if you replied to the original.

There are digest exploding tools out there, but they only have the info
in the digest -- and the original Message-ID: and References: headers
aren't in there.

Using the subject of your message "thread" is a good start, because mutt
will also group in similarly-subjected messages if you tell it it can
be a little loose.  mutt otherwise doesn't have a way to tell what part
you meant, though.  In fact, three different replies to the same digest,
even if they had three different subjects, would all be threaded together
if the parent message (the digest) were available because that's how
threading works.

Do you have a particular love for the digest version, or are you just
used to that and haven't thought about changing?  I think you'll very
much like mutt's threading capabilities and will never go back to a
digest again :-)


% 
% Hope this isn't to dumb :)

Not at all.


% 
% Nick

HTH & HAND & HNY


% 
% -- 
% 
% Nick Wilson
% 
% Tel:  +45 3325 0688
% Fax:  +45 3325 0677
% Web:  www.explodingnet.com
% 
% 


:-D
-- 
David T-G  * It's easier to fight for one's principles
(play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie
(work) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Where outgoing mail is saved.

[David T-G]

Rene --

...and then Rene Clerc said...
% 
% * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-01-2002 15:07]:
% 
% | I'd give some examples but I don't have much time (and please forgive
% | any typos; I now have a baby on my arm :-)  Keep reading; it will click.
%  
% Congratulations!!!

On they typing or the baby?  Thanks either way :-)

Even though I'm on number two and have had plenty of practice, typing
is still quite a challenge when she's squirming :-)


% 
% -- 
% René Clerc  - ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
% 
% Dreams will get you nowhere, a good kick in the pants will take you a
% long way.
% -Graffiti


:-D
-- 
David T-G  * It's easier to fight for one's principles
(play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie
(work) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Where outgoing mail is saved.

[Nick Wilson]

Well that all makes sense, I'll re-subscribe. I've been wondering why
the 'almighty mutt' wasn't performing to the standard I'd hoped. It
shames me to say it but I rather suspected it was my understanding of
the situation that was at fault. 

Oh well, I just wish I'd stuck with computers from back in the Commodore
64 days (a very misspent youth)

So much to learn and so little time!

Ta very much David.

Nick


* David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020104 15:33]:
> Nick --
> 
> ...and then Nick Wilson said...
> % 
> % * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020104 15:03]:
> % > 
> % > ...and then Nick Wilson said...
> % > % 
> % > % * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020104 14:05]:
> % > % > 
> % > % > ...and then Nick Wilson said...
> % > % > 
> % > % > % Although I have this line in .muttrc
> % > % > % set record="~/Mail/records/"
> % > % > % Mutt appears to be saving outgoing copies of my mail to ~/Mail.
> % > % > 
> % > % > $record is supposed to be a single mailbox (mbox file, Maildir dir, or
> ...
> % > % immediately. I guess I just create an empty file called records?
> % > 
> % > Don't let my statement change the way you do your work; if you have
> ...
> % 
> % Hmmm... Thanks.
> 
> Sure thing.
> 
> 
> % Don't worry you're not changing the way I work at all, just helping me
> % define a way.
> 
> Good enough.  There are certainly lots of ways to do that :-)
> 
> 
> % 
> % How do I reply to a particular part of the digest? If I see a 'RE:
> % something I posted' in the digest do I simply address a message to
> % [EMAIL PROTECTED] with that subject line or is there some way of mutt
> % knowing which part of the digest I'm reading?
> 
> Well, AFAIK most folks don't reply to digests; they get the individual
> messages and then reply to them.  The digest itself is a different
> message, and so when you reply to that you're in a different thread than
> you would be if you replied to the original.
> 
> There are digest exploding tools out there, but they only have the info
> in the digest -- and the original Message-ID: and References: headers
> aren't in there.
> 
> Using the subject of your message "thread" is a good start, because mutt
> will also group in similarly-subjected messages if you tell it it can
> be a little loose.  mutt otherwise doesn't have a way to tell what part
> you meant, though.  In fact, three different replies to the same digest,
> even if they had three different subjects, would all be threaded together
> if the parent message (the digest) were available because that's how
> threading works.
> 
> Do you have a particular love for the digest version, or are you just
> used to that and haven't thought about changing?  I think you'll very
> much like mutt's threading capabilities and will never go back to a
> digest again :-)
> 
> 
> % 
> % Hope this isn't to dumb :)
> 
> Not at all.
> 
> 
> % 
> % Nick
> 
> HTH & HAND & HNY
> 
> 
> % 
> % -- 
> % 
> % Nick Wilson
> % 
> % Tel:+45 3325 0688
> % Fax:+45 3325 0677
> % Web:www.explodingnet.com
> % 
> % 
> 
> 
> :-D
> -- 
> David T-G  * It's easier to fight for one's principles
> (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie
> (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg!
> 



-- 

Nick Wilson

Tel:+45 3325 0688
Fax:+45 3325 0677
Web:www.explodingnet.com

Re: M$ Exchange Server

[Elimar Riesebieter]

On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 the mental interface of Steve Kennedy told:

> On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 02:45:42PM +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
> 
> > The company wide mailsystem is based on that product called
> > "M$-Exchange-Server", and I am not able to change the mind of some
> > admins to use a linux box instead!
> > My question:
> > How can I communicate with that Exchange box to get all my mails by
> > mutt or fetch- and procmail?
> > Smtp sending is no problem. I am using a thin postfixserver on my
> > laptop, which sends the mails to mail.smtp.company!
> > Any ideas?
> 
> Make sure the admins have enabled IMAP, and use mutt's IMAP
> functions. Works fine.
I'm not shure whether they do it! They are very paranoid and still
only Oulook is enabled!

Thank you

Ciao

Elimar

-- 
  (1) X=Y   ; Given
  (2) X^2=XY; Multiply both sides by X
  (3) X^2-Y^2=XY-Y^2; Subtract Y^2 from both sides
  (4) (X+Y)(X-Y)=Y(X-Y) ; Factor
  (5) X+Y=Y ; Cancel out (X-Y) term
  (6) 2Y=Y  ; Substitute X for Y, by equation 1
  (7) 2=1   ; Divide both sides by Y
  "Omni", proof that 2 equals 1
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mutt/gpg question

[René Clerc]

Hi all,

I've just got off the phone with a friend, and guess what we did: we
verified fingerprints. And signed the keys. So, the gpg warning in the
pager is no longer there, hurray!

[-- PGP output follows (current time: Fri 04 Jan 2002 04:09:02 PM CET) --]
gpg: encrypted with 1024-bit ELG-E key, ID 8FB53BB7, created 2001-09-18
  "Rene Clerc"
gpg: Signature made Fri 04 Jan 2002 04:02:38 PM CET using DSA key ID 9F86412C
gpg: Good signature from "Guido Kollerie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
[-- End of PGP output --]

So far, so good.

But, something strikes me: the status line says:

PGP signature could NOT be verified.

Huh?

If I check signed messages to the list, whose keys I have *not* signed,
the status line shows:

PGP signature successfully verified.

What point am I missing here?

-- 
René Clerc  - ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

In the highest society, as well as in the lowest, woman is merely an
instrument of pleasure.
-- Tolstoy



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Re: M$ Exchange Server

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

Am 04.01.2002 um 16:14:18 +0100 schrieb Elimar Riesebieter folgendes:

> > Make sure the admins have enabled IMAP, and use mutt's IMAP
> > functions. Works fine.

> I'm not shure whether they do it! They are very paranoid and still
> only Oulook is enabled!

If they're paranoid, why do they use M$ products?

-- 
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Referat V A - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax.  +49 (0)30-450 570-916
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Re: M$ Exchange Server

[René Clerc]

* Elimar Riesebieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-01-2002 16:16]:

| > Make sure the admins have enabled IMAP, and use mutt's IMAP
| > functions. Works fine.
| I'm not shure whether they do it! They are very paranoid and still
| only Oulook is enabled!

Well, check! You have to specify a mail server in Outlook as well, and
you can probably use the same settings with mutt.

-- 
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necrophilia, n.:
Dropping in for a cold one.



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Re: mutt/gpg question

[Dan Boger]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 04:16:10PM +0100, René Clerc wrote:
> PGP signature could NOT be verified.

I've had that happen to me too - can't figure out the pattern to it too
- sometimes it says it verified ok, sometimes it says NOT (of the times
that the gpg output says it's good, of course).

-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: change-folder in browser?

[Charles Jie]

AFAIK, browser is not a standalone function for mutt. It's usually used
to provide a file/directory as an argument for a pending function, like
 or  - I think it's the reason mutt avoids
accepting a function like  in the browser.

charlie

On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 06:28:38PM -0800, Will Yardley wrote:
> maybe this is a dumb question, but is there a reason you can't do
>  in the browser?
>

Re: mutt/gpg question

[Johan Andersson]

On Fri, 04 Jan 2002, René Clerc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've just got off the phone with a friend, and guess what we did: we
> verified fingerprints. And signed the keys. So, the gpg warning in the
> pager is no longer there, hurray!
> 
> [-- PGP output follows (current time: Fri 04 Jan 2002 04:09:02 PM CET) --]
> gpg: encrypted with 1024-bit ELG-E key, ID 8FB53BB7, created 2001-09-18
>   "Rene Clerc"
> gpg: Signature made Fri 04 Jan 2002 04:02:38 PM CET using DSA key ID 9F86412C
> gpg: Good signature from "Guido Kollerie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
> [-- End of PGP output --]
> 
> So far, so good.
> 
> But, something strikes me: the status line says:
> 
> PGP signature could NOT be verified.

I had problems with the status line being wrong sometimes.  Turned out
it was wrong when I used a non-english translation for gpg.

Anyway, the solution was to be found in the variable pgp_good_sign.
Check it out, might be the solution if we're lucky :)

-- 
Johan Andersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, http://johan.nforced.com/
GnuPG public key id: 0x6415B9F7 (1024 bits)
Key fingerprint: CA6F 0720 B0D1 2FBA  74EB 348C 3110 6415 B9F7



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Re: M$ Exchange Server

[Magnus Bodin]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 02:54:33PM +0100, René Clerc wrote:
> 
> Am I missing the point? I'm no Exchange guru, but can't you just use
> pop, IMAP or fetchmail? Does Exchange honor the usual mail retrieval
> protocols?

They have to EXPLICITLY enable IMAP and/or POP3. 
Outlook uses a proprietary protocol. Of course.

Some administrators thinks that only using this proprietary protocl makes
everything safer. 

/magnus

-- 
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Re: mutt/gpg question

[Justin R. Miller]

Thus spake Johan Andersson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> I had problems with the status line being wrong sometimes.  Turned out
> it was wrong when I used a non-english translation for gpg.
> 
> Anyway, the solution was to be found in the variable pgp_good_sign.
> Check it out, might be the solution if we're lucky :)

I had asked about this many months ago, and at the time, Thomas (I
believe) had just added a patch to the latest cvs to fix a bug and told
me to use it in combination with $pgp_good_sign.  Since then it's been
fine.  I think it also had something to do with being encrypted +
signed, but I'm not clear on it. 

Anyway, try the var and see! :-)

-- 
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View my website at http://codesorcery.net
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Thank you

[Charles Jie]

Hi, thank you all,

Now it's easier for me to do mailing experiments. :)

charlie

Re: help a now confused mutt newbie

[Will Yardley]

rhad wrote:
> 
> 1) understand how exactly mutt recieves email.  In my first several
> attempts, I slowly gathered the impression that mutt wanted me to
> configure at least sendmail and fetchmail in addition to mutt.  I.e.:
> that mutt acts only as a viewing agent to the standard unix mail
> programs.  In the successive attempts to understand sendmail and
> fetchmail (neither of which I have ever used--at least knowingly) I
> have become slightly lost.  The mutt manual delves, IMHO, more into
> mutt configuration and uses, than actually explaining how the heck to
> get it to recieve email.

well mutt can also retrieve mail via POP3 or IMAP.  if your accounts
have IMAP access, you might consider using that.

if you have 3 incoming accounts, using fetchmail may, indeed, be a good
idea.

mutt can be a little overwhelming at first; i've found simply looking
through other peoples' .muttrcs online fairly instructive.

w/r/t sendmail; your suse machine probably already has some sort of MTA
(either sendmail or postfix most likely) installed; if this is the case,
you can use this.

> I want mutt to handle three email accounts:  this one, at my
> university, and 2 yahoo accounts.  I do not live at the university,
> but am on DSL in the surrounding area.  Therefore, I have one
> dedicated outgoing mail server for all of the accounts (swbell-DSL),
> and 3 pop servers for incoming mail.  I use suse linux 7.3, and I keep
> all my machines behind a NAT-based router with a static IP.

well probably the simplest solution would be to use fetchmail to
download mail from all 3 accounts, and possibly procmail or something
similar to sort the messages after downloading it. i'm not a big expert
on fetchmail, since i've never had to use it, but it's supposed to be
fairly simple.

Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?

[Charles Jie]

Now I have a mail system = postfix + mutt + procmail + getmail.

getmail fetches my mail in some POP3 servers. But it just places mail in
some mboxes - compared to the mail received by postfix and
sorted/filtered by procmail - and looks having no way to sort/filter
mail further.

How do you do it for POP3 mail? (some of these mailboxes do be able to
'forward' mail to my server, but inevitably add lines to message header.
:)

best,
charlie

Re: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?

[Anh Lai]

fetchmail does the trick

 [ On 01/05/02, Charles Jie decided to write: ]
> Now I have a mail system = postfix + mutt + procmail + getmail.
> 
> getmail fetches my mail in some POP3 servers. But it just places mail in
> some mboxes - compared to the mail received by postfix and
> sorted/filtered by procmail - and looks having no way to sort/filter
> mail further.
> 
> How do you do it for POP3 mail? (some of these mailboxes do be able to
> 'forward' mail to my server, but inevitably add lines to message header.
> :)
> 
> best,
> charlie
> 

-- 
Anh Lai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 

Re: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?

[Elimar Riesebieter]

On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 the mental interface of Anh Lai told:

> fetchmail does the trick
> 
>[ On 01/05/02, Charles Jie decided to write: ]
> > Now I have a mail system = postfix + mutt + procmail + getmail.
> > 
> > getmail fetches my mail in some POP3 servers. But it just places mail in
> > some mboxes - compared to the mail received by postfix and
> > sorted/filtered by procmail - and looks having no way to sort/filter
> > mail further.
> > 
> > How do you do it for POP3 mail? (some of these mailboxes do be able to
> > 'forward' mail to my server, but inevitably add lines to message header.
> > :)
Hi Anh,

just remove getmail and use fetchmail. It is a very easy to
configure "fetchmailer" to handle several users with several
mailboxes. It supprts IMAP, POP, .! 
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/fetchmail/

Ciao

Elimar

-- 
  Numeric stability is probably not all that 
  important when you're guessing;-)
--

Re: Working with mbox

[Rob 'Feztaa' Park]

Alas! Cameron Simpson spake thus:
> | I'm pretty sure I've seen this done somewhere, but I can't find it.
> 
> Well, it's indirect, but you could wrap mutt in a script which said:
> 
>   #!/bin/sh
>   ( cd $HOME/mail
> when=`date +%Y-%m`
> for mbox in *
> do  echo "mbox-hook =$mbox \"=archives/$when-$mbox\""
> done >$HOME/.muttrc-auto
>   )
>   exec real-mutt-program ${1+"$@"}
> 
> and just source .muttrc-auto from .muttrc. Ugly but would work.

Interesting idea. I'm sure I've seen a better way to do it, though.
Perhaps I'll have to search the archives :)

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"Logic doesn't apply to the real world."
-- Marvin Minsky



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Re: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?

[Charles Cazabon]

Charles Jie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> getmail fetches my mail in some POP3 servers. But it just places mail in
> some mboxes - compared to the mail received by postfix and
> sorted/filtered by procmail - and looks having no way to sort/filter
> mail further.

Did you not read the documentation, the FAQ, or the mailing list?  getmail has
some built-in filtering (meant for domain mailboxes, but works for other
stuff), but supports arbitrary MDAs like procmail or maildrop for flexibility.

Charles
-- 
---
Charles Cazabon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
GPL'ed software available at:  http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/
My opinions are just that -- my opinions.
---

Re: help a now confused mutt newbie

[David Champion]

On 2002.01.03, in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"rhad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 1) understand how exactly mutt recieves email.  In my first several
> attempts, I slowly gathered the impression that mutt wanted me to configure
> at least sendmail and fetchmail in addition to mutt.  I.e.: that mutt acts
> only as a viewing agent to the standard unix mail programs.  In the
> successive attempts to understand sendmail and fetchmail (neither of which I
> have ever used--at least knowingly) I have become slightly lost.  The mutt
> manual delves, IMHO, more into mutt configuration and uses, than actually
> explaining how the heck to get it to recieve email.

I find it easier to think in simpler terms, just looking at definitions
and relationships. Mutt reads mail folders (it doesn't receive mail from
SMTP), and it hands off new mail to an MTA (it doesn't inject mail into
SMTP). A "folder" can be stored on your local filesystem, or it can be
stored on a networked mail server and read via a mail access protocol
(POP3 or IMAP) -- not the same as mail delivery!

To get new mail into your folders, you need other software. That
software can be a common unix mail delivery agent like mail.local,
procmail, deliver, maildrop, etc. Or it can be a program for downloading
mail via an access protocol, like fetchmail. (There are other favorites,
but I always forget their names.) Or it can be the delivery software
on your mail server, which feeds your POP and IMAP folders themselves.

So, to get new mail, you need at least one of three things:

1. A mail delivery agent (MDA) to pass messages from the mail
   transport agent (MTA) to a folder;

2. A program like fetchmail to pull messages down from a POP3 or
   IMAP server;

3. A mutt configuration that allows mutt to read messages directly
   from POP and IMAP message stores.

Chances are that you already have at least one of these available, if
you've ever used a mail program on the same system as mutt is on.


> 2) Is there somebody out there who would not mind a potentially lengthy
> email-fest to help me figure this out?  I have (what I consider) to be a
> rather weird setup:
> 
> I want mutt to handle three email accounts:  this one, at my university, and
> 2 yahoo accounts.  I do not live at the university, but am on DSL in the
> surrounding area.  Therefore, I have one dedicated outgoing mail server for
> all of the accounts (swbell-DSL), and 3 pop servers for incoming mail.  I
> use suse linux 7.3, and I keep all my machines behind a NAT-based router
> with a static IP.

My workstation has an SMTP server on which I receive most of my mail.
It uses sendmail plus procmail to deliver mail into a wide assortment
of folders in my home directory. I also have one IMAP account and seven
POP3 accounts. I check the IMAP account only occasionally, but I want
the POP3 accounts to give me mail on fairly short order. Here are some
ideas that come from my setup.


Reading from local folders
--
Normally I just run mutt with defaults:
$ mutt

Mutt starts up on my local inbox, which is where all the new mail I care
to read lands. Procmail stores some messages elsewhere, but I don't
generally worry about those until some external stimulus makes me.
When that happens, I read the other folder:
$ mutt -f =ignore

or I change to it from inside mutt by pressing "c" and entering
"=ignore".


Direct IMAP
---
I use a relatively recent 1.3 version of mutt, so the IMAP and POP
support is a little different from 1.2.5's. My mutt setup reads mail
from my inbox ($MAIL -- /var/mail/username) by default, since most of my
incoming mail lands there. When I want to read mail from IMAP, I just
run mutt with different arguments:
$ mutt -f imap://imap.server.name/
or
$ mutt -f '{imap.server.name}'

(Actually I use it via SSL:
$ mutt -f imaps://imap.server.name/
but that doesn't matter -- I mention it only because it's great that
mutt supports it.)


POP3 via Fetchmail
--
To read my POP3 messages, I have fetchmail configured to download my POP
messages from all servers every 10 minutes. Fetchmail hands them off
to sendmail and then procmail so that they get processed by the same
procmail rules as my SMTP mail. Lines from my .fetchmailrc file look
like this:

poll pop.mail.yahoo.com protocol pop3 username USER password "PASS" \
smtp localhost

I have a line similar to that for each server I want fetchmail to
handle. And in my crontab, I have this:

0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * /opt/bin/fetchmail >/dev/null 2>&1

This cron task makes my new POP mail come down every 10 minutes from any
of the seven POP3 accounts.


Direct POP3
---
In truth, I have more POP3 accounts, but I don't want these messages
saved to my workstation's disk -- I want to browse them remotely. So,
when I compiled mutt, I used the --enable-pop switch to enable POP3
browsing mode. (I also use --enable-imap, --with-krb5, and --with-ss

Re: \222 instead of "'"

[Michael Sanders]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 12:44:33AM -0800, Gary Johnson wrote:
> 
> I received e-mail earlier from Michael Sanders who reported that it
> worked fine for him.  He is using 1.3.22.1i.
> 
Yes, it works on my system 1.3.22.1i (with the security patch
applied).

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Forwarding threads

[Elimar Riesebieter]

Hi ladies and gents,

some informations out of this list are very usefull to use at my
office!

How do I forward or bounce a complete thread to another adress?

Ciao

Elimar

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Re: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?

[Roman Neuhauser]

> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 01:56:47 +0800
> From: Charles Jie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Mutt Mail-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?
> 
> Now I have a mail system = postfix + mutt + procmail + getmail.
> 
> getmail fetches my mail in some POP3 servers. But it just places mail in
> some mboxes - compared to the mail received by postfix and
> sorted/filtered by procmail - and looks having no way to sort/filter
> mail further.
> 
> How do you do it for POP3 mail? (some of these mailboxes do be able to
> 'forward' mail to my server, but inevitably add lines to message header.
> :)
> best,
> charlie

Hi Charles,

as pointed out by others, you made a good choice with getmail over
fetchmail, since the latter breaks the unix philosophy "do one
thing, but do it right".

While getmail has some rudimentary filtering facilities (just like
mutt has some rudimentary POP3 facilities), it's not a mail filter.
So to get your mail filtered, you need to put another tool between
getmail and your mailboxes. I use getmail with maildrop, and have it
configured like this:

getmailrc:
   
[mail.cz]
...
postmaster = "|/usr/bin/env PERSONA=mail.cz maildrop /path/to/maildroprc"
[mobil.cz]
postmaster = "|/usr/bin/env PERSONA=mobil.cz maildrop /path/to/maildroprc"

maildroprc:
   
MAILDIR  = "$HOME/Mail"
LISTDIR  = "$MAILDIR/lists"
PHPDIR   = "$LISTDIR/php"
WORKDIR  = "$MAILDIR/work"

if (/^list-post: /)
{
to "$PHPDIR/php-qa"
}

if (/^list-post: /)
{
to "$LISTDIR/svn-dev"
}

if (/^Subject: .* Genesis2 zmeny/)
{
to "$WORKDIR/cvs"
}

if (/^From: .*@mobil\.cz/ || /.*genesis@mobil\.cz/)
{
to "$WORKDIR/mobil.cz"
}

to "$MAILDIR/IN.$PERSONA"


My maildrop config is somewhat longer, but you get the idea.


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Re: pyurlview.py: a more flexible 'urlview'

[Roman Neuhauser]

> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:38:47 -0500
> From: Maciej Kalisiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: pyurlview.py: a more flexible 'urlview'
> 
> Hello mutters,
> 
> After finding "urlview" a bit limiting I have written a somewhat more flexible
> version of it.  I figured I'd share it with the community in case others are
> in a similar "needs-more-power" bind.  Main improvements:
>   - user-defined key bindings for everything (with Vi-style defaults)
>   - any number of user-defined commands to run on URLs (e.g.: different
> keys for netscape, lynx, galeon, wget, xclip, whatever)
>   - ability to show context of a given URL in menu
> 
> You can get it at http://www.dgp.toronto.edu/~mac/projects/pyurlview.py
> 
> This is a Python script (too lazy to do it in C and don't have the time), so
> you'll need Python.  Tested under Python 2.1, not sure about earlier versions.
> Also uses the curses library for screen output.
> 
> If passed a filename, this script scans the file for URLs, else it looks at
> stdin.  Once running, press 'h' or '?' for a brief help on (default) keys.
> 
> Comments, suggestions welcome.

Hi Maciej,

quite nice, with a few nits:

curses.wrapper () initializes color support, and I haven't found a
way to make it set the background transparent. besides, the colors
are quite unpleasant.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/roman/bin/pyurlview.py", line 346, in ?
main()
  File "/home/roman/bin/pyurlview.py", line 339, in main
curses.wrapper(frob_urls)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/curses/wrapper.py", line 44, in wrapper
res = apply(func, (stdscr,) + rest)
  File "/home/roman/bin/pyurlview.py", line 219, in frob_urls
stdscr.move(h-1, 0)
_curses.error: wmove() returned ERR
   
Looks like this happens when the new size of the window is more than
2x the original, or less than 1/2 of the original. I'm talking about
resizing the window, of course.

and last, what's with that GPL everybody seems to be hypnotized?

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Deleting a mail without jumping to next

[Nick Wilson]

Hi all, 
If I hit 'd' to delete a mail whilst reading it in the pager Mutt takes
me to the next undeleted/unread (not sure which) again in the pager. This seems like a 
fine idea but I'd really prefer to be taken back to the index.

I've looked around but can't work out what controls this behaviour?

Many thanks
-- 

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Tel:+45 3325 0688
Fax:+45 3325 0677
Web:www.explodingnet.com

Re: Forwarding threads

[Gary Johnson]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 08:20:43PM +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
> Hi ladies and gents,
> 
> some informations out of this list are very usefull to use at my
> office!

Great!  Glad to hear it!

> How do I forward or bounce a complete thread to another adress?

The easier is to bounce it.  While in the index menu (where you see the
list of all your messages), type

b

which is bound to the bounce-message command by default.

Gary

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Re: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?

[Ben Reser]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 08:29:55PM +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
> as pointed out by others, you made a good choice with getmail over
> fetchmail, since the latter breaks the unix philosophy "do one
> thing, but do it right".

What?  fetchmail only does one thing.  It downloads mail and injects it
into the local mail system.  It has no filtering mechanism other than a
rudimentary anti-spam mechanism.  If you want to do filtering you just
set your LDA to something like fetchmail.  

And as you pointed out mutt can check POP/IMAP boxes but that's it's
purposes.  Nor is fetchmail's purpose to filter mail.  So what is it
that you think fetchmail does to break the unix philosophy more than any
other tool you're using?

I really don't care what program you use.  But really is it necessary to
belittle someone elses tool in the process?

-- 
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http://ben.reser.org

"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.
"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live in such times. But
that is not for them to decide.  All we have to decide is what to do
with the time that is given us."

Re: Forwarding threads

[Jeremy Blosser]

Elimar Riesebieter [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> some informations out of this list are very usefull to use at my
> office!
> 
> How do I forward or bounce a complete thread to another adress?

tag the thread: t

then to do the forward or bounce operation on the entire thread, preface
the 'f' or 'b' command with ';'.

Re: Deleting a mail without jumping to next

[Im Eunjea]

* Nick Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-01-04 20:57]:
> Hi all, 
> If I hit 'd' to delete a mail whilst reading it in the pager Mutt takes
> me to the next undeleted/unread (not sure which) again in the pager. This seems like 
>a fine idea but I'd really prefer to be taken back to the index.
> 
> I've looked around but can't work out what controls this behaviour?
> 
> Many thanks

macro pager d  "delete-message; quit"

HTH
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Re: Working with mbox

[David Champion]

On 2002.01.04, in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Rob 'Feztaa' Park" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alas! Cameron Simpson spake thus:
> > | I'm pretty sure I've seen this done somewhere, but I can't find it.
> > 
> > Well, it's indirect, but you could wrap mutt in a script which said:
> > 
> > #!/bin/sh
> > ( cd $HOME/mail
> >   when=`date +%Y-%m`
> >   for mbox in *
> >   do  echo "mbox-hook =$mbox \"=archives/$when-$mbox\""
> >   done >$HOME/.muttrc-auto
> > )
> > exec real-mutt-program ${1+"$@"}
> > 
> > and just source .muttrc-auto from .muttrc. Ugly but would work.
> 
> Interesting idea. I'm sure I've seen a better way to do it, though.
> Perhaps I'll have to search the archives :)

I'm into overkill today.

You could put that in a script such as the one I've attached, and run
it from .muttrc like this:

source `$HOME/bin/mutt-prep folders=$HOME/mail`

This approach lets your mutt-prep script write anything muttrc-ish on
its stdout, and mutt will absorb it with no shell wrappers. The cmdline
eval lets your source line configure the script's parameters easily.
(You could do it with prefixed variables or /bin/env, but this makes
them local instead of environmental, fwiw, and it might be easier to
read.)

It's fundamentally the same idea, but you don't have to mess with
wrappers, at least. It feels a little neater, in some way I can't
explain.

-- 
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#!/bin/sh
##
## This emits muttrc commands on stdout. call it with
##  source `/path/to/mutt-prep`
## in your .muttrc file.
##

## Set variables from cmdline.
eval "$@"

## Set defaults -- these can be overridden on the cmdline.
file=${file-$HOME/.mutt-runtime}
folders=${folders-$HOME/Mail}

## All output goes to $file. echo the filename first, so mutt can source it.
echo "$file"
exec >"$file"

## Set mbox-hooks.
when=`date +%Y-%m`
(cd "$folders"
 ls | sed -e 's#\(.*\)#mbox-hook =\1 "=archives/\1-'$when'"#'
)

## Set mailboxes (could be merged above).
(cd "$folders"
 ls | sed -e 's#\(.*\)#mailboxes =\1#'
)

## Something to source an rc file if present.
try_source () {
for rc in "$@"; do
if [ -f $HOME/.mutt-$rc ]; then
echo "source $HOME/.mutt-$rc"
fi
done
}

## Source an NNTP config file if mutt has NNTP support.
if mutt -v | grep NNTP >/dev/null; then
try_source nntp
fi

## Source a muttrc for this host or domain, if one exists.
try_source `hostname` `sed -e '1s/.* //;q' /etc/resolv.conf`

## Dynamically convert my pine addressbook to mutt format.
if [ -f $HOME/.addressbook ]; then
cat $HOME/.addressbook \
| awk '-F   ' '/^[^ ]/{printf("alias %-20.20s %s <%s>\n", $1, $2, $3);}'
#^^^ that's a tab character
fi

## Add other runtime tasks as you like.

Re: Deleting a mail without jumping to next

[Jeremy Blosser]

Im Eunjea [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> * Nick Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-01-04 20:57]:
> > Hi all, 
> > If I hit 'd' to delete a mail whilst reading it in the pager Mutt takes
> > me to the next undeleted/unread (not sure which) again in the pager. This seems 
>like a fine idea but I'd really prefer to be taken back to the index.
> > 
> > I've looked around but can't work out what controls this behaviour?
> > 
> > Many thanks
> 
> macro pager d  "delete-message; quit"

see also the $resolve variable.

Re: pyurlview.py: a more flexible 'urlview'

[Maciej Kalisiak]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 02:18:16PM -0500, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
> quite nice, with a few nits:
> 
> curses.wrapper () initializes color support, and I haven't found a
> way to make it set the background transparent.

curses.wrapper() is a function from an external module (Python's
"curses" module). I haven't bothered changing its default colours and
behaviour, but I suppose this is something I'll look at when I improve
pyurlview.

> besides, the colorsare quite unpleasant.

Really? What do you get? I get an admittedly boring white on black, but
I wouldn't necessarily call that "unpleasant".

> Looks like this happens when the new size of the window is more
> than 2x the original, or less than 1/2 of the original. I'm
> talking about resizing the window, of course.

I'll have a look.  The menu printing code needs a once over anyhow, to watch
for and trim print-lines that wrap, so this will probably be taken care of
automatically.

> and last, what's with that GPL everybody seems to be hypnotized?

Why?  I'm no license zealot, but it just seems to fit my needs the best.

-- 
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Re: Deleting a mail without jumping to next

[Gary Johnson]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 11:05:59PM +0300, Im Eunjea wrote:
> * Nick Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-01-04 20:57]:
> > Hi all, 
> > If I hit 'd' to delete a mail whilst reading it in the pager Mutt takes
> > me to the next undeleted/unread (not sure which) again in the pager.
> > This seems like a fine idea but I'd really prefer to be taken back
> > to the index.
> > 
> > I've looked around but can't work out what controls this behaviour?
> > 
> > Many thanks
> 
> macro pager d  "delete-message; quit"

This works, but it also advances you to the next message, marking it as
read.  To avoid this problem, reverse the order of the delete-message
and quit/exit commands:

macro pager d  "delete current message and exit to index"

Gary

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Re: Deleting a mail without jumping to next

[Nick Wilson]

* Im Eunjea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020104 21:12]:
> * Nick Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-01-04 20:57]:
> > Hi all, 
> > If I hit 'd' to delete a mail whilst reading it in the pager Mutt takes
> > me to the next undeleted/unread (not sure which) again in the pager. This seems 
>like a fine idea but I'd really prefer to be taken back to the index.
> > 
> > I've looked around but can't work out what controls this behaviour?
> > 
> > Many thanks
> 
> macro pager d  "delete-message; quit"
> 
> HTH


Unfortunately not. I get 'macros loop detected' I don't think that will
quite cut it. 

Thanks though.


Nick Wilson

Tel:+45 3325 0688
Fax:+45 3325 0677
Web:www.explodingnet.com

Re: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?

[Roman Neuhauser]

> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:01:22 -0800
> From: Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Mutt Mail-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?
> 
> On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 08:29:55PM +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
> > as pointed out by others, you made a good choice with getmail over
> > fetchmail, since the latter breaks the unix philosophy "do one
> > thing, but do it right".
> 
> What?  fetchmail only does one thing.  It downloads mail and injects it
> into the local mail system. It has no filtering mechanism other than a
> rudimentary anti-spam mechanism.  If you want to do filtering you just
> set your LDA to something like fetchmail.  
> 
> And as you pointed out mutt can check POP/IMAP boxes but that's it's
> purposes.  Nor is fetchmail's purpose to filter mail.  So what is it
> that you think fetchmail does to break the unix philosophy more than any
> other tool you're using?
> 
> I really don't care what program you use.  But really is it necessary to
> belittle someone elses tool in the process?

I think I forgot to attach ":)" to that sentence. That said, I _do_
think that fetchmail has gone the Windows "I can do it all for ya,
pal" way, which is not what I like.

Let me put it this way: how would you label fetchmail? what is its
job? is it to talk SSL, talk SMTP (great if you need to get rid of
some messages in endless loops and similar stuff), filter spam, or
is it to talk POP, and write the messages to /dev/null, disk or
another program's stdin?

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Re: Deleting a mail without jumping to next

[Nick Wilson]

* Jeremy Blosser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020104 21:21]:
> Im Eunjea [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> > * Nick Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-01-04 20:57]:
> > > Hi all, 
> > > If I hit 'd' to delete a mail whilst reading it in the pager Mutt takes
> > > me to the next undeleted/unread (not sure which) again in the pager. This seems 
>like a fine idea but I'd really prefer to be taken back to the index.
> > > 
> > > I've looked around but can't work out what controls this behaviour?
> > > 
> > > Many thanks


> see also the $resolve variable.
> 

That stops it jumping to the next unread in the pager but does not go
back to the index.

Nearly there :)

Cheers  

-- 

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Tel:+45 3325 0688
Fax:+45 3325 0677
Web:www.explodingnet.com

Re: Forwarding threads

[Gary Johnson]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 12:00:00PM -0800, Gary Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 08:20:43PM +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
> > Hi ladies and gents,
> > 
> > some informations out of this list are very usefull to use at my
> > office!
> 
> Great!  Glad to hear it!
> 
> > How do I forward or bounce a complete thread to another adress?
> 
> The easier is to bounce it.  While in the index menu (where you see the
> list of all your messages), type
> 
> b
> 
> which is bound to the bounce-message command by default.

You wrote "complete thread" and I read "complete message".  What was I
thinking?!  Forget what I wrote and just do what Jeremy suggested.
Sorry for the noise.

Gary

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Re: pyurlview.py: a more flexible 'urlview'

[Roman Neuhauser]

> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:14:00 -0500
> From: Maciej Kalisiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: pyurlview.py: a more flexible 'urlview'
> 
> On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 02:18:16PM -0500, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
> > quite nice, with a few nits:
> > 
> > curses.wrapper () initializes color support, and I haven't found a
> > way to make it set the background transparent.
> 
> curses.wrapper() is a function from an external module (Python's
> "curses" module). I haven't bothered changing its default colours and
> behaviour, but I suppose this is something I'll look at when I improve
> pyurlview.

I know where it comes from. I'd suggest resorting to the "manual"
curses setup. It's just a few lines more, and allows more
flexibility.
 
> > besides, the colorsare quite unpleasant.
> 
> Really? What do you get? I get an admittedly boring white on black, but
> I wouldn't necessarily call that "unpleasant".

I get black text on wheat background. With #0f1319 root window,
transparent xterms, and grey70 font, this isn't exactly nice. Like
being hit in the face with a snowball.
 
> > Looks like this happens when the new size of the window is more
> > than 2x the original, or less than 1/2 of the original. I'm
> > talking about resizing the window, of course.
> 
> I'll have a look.  The menu printing code needs a once over anyhow, to watch
> for and trim print-lines that wrap, so this will probably be taken care of
> automatically.
> 
> > and last, what's with that GPL everybody seems to be hypnotized?
> 
> Why?  I'm no license zealot, but it just seems to fit my needs the best.

Erm, sorry for the remark. I'm gradually developing strong distaste
for the license... Didn't mean to start a flamewar, nor do I want
one now. Just ignore it.

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Re: Deleting a mail without jumping to next

[Nick Wilson]

* Gary Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020104 21:27]:
> On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 11:05:59PM +0300, Im Eunjea wrote:
> > * Nick Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-01-04 20:57]:
> > > Hi all, 
> > > If I hit 'd' to delete a mail whilst reading it in the pager Mutt takes
> > > me to the next undeleted/unread (not sure which) again in the pager.
> > > This seems like a fine idea but I'd really prefer to be taken back
> > > to the index.
> > > 
> > > I've looked around but can't work out what controls this behaviour?
> > > 
> > > Many thanks



> macro pager d  "delete current message and exit to index"
> 
> Gary
> 
Yep, that's done it!
I have somewhat poor eyesight and the default way mutt runs this is just
a tad confusing.

Much thanks guys!

PS.
This is the first proper thread I've had working in mutt. My wife thinks
that being excited by this is very sad!

I love it :)

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Re: Forwarding threads

[Elimar Riesebieter]

On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 the mental interface of Jeremy Blosser told:

> Elimar Riesebieter [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> > some informations out of this list are very usefull to use at my
> > office!
> > 
> > How do I forward or bounce a complete thread to another adress?
> 
> tag the thread: t
> 
> then to do the forward or bounce operation on the entire thread, preface
> the 'f' or 'b' command with ';'.
Thak you gents.
It works as I want to!

Ciao

Elimar

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Re: my-text-mode

[Franco Vite]

[gio 03/01/2002, ore 21:48] => Walt Mankowski scrive:

 [...]
 
 There is a way to have differents quote colors, in emacs?

-- 
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"Quello che abbiamo e' quello che ci siamo presi, e quello che ci siamo 
 presi e' solo una piccola parte di quello di cui abbiamo bisogno"
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Re: Send-hook is Lazy

[Franco Vite]

[mer 02/01/2002, ore 15:57] => Thorsten Haude scrive:

> Hi,
 
 Hi,
 
 [...]

 in my .muttrc I've:

 send-hook . \
 set signature="~/.signature"
 
 send-hook . \
 my_hdr From: Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 
 send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] \
 'my_hdr From: Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; \
  set signature=~/.signature.epmovi"

 send-hook '~t ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]$' \
 'my_hdr From: Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; \
  set signature=~/.signature.epmovi"

 So, if I post a mail or if I replay to a post about it_li.org ML, my
 From is "epmovi"; but default is firenze.linux.it . And so on.

 I've a question:
 it work fine, but if someone post a mail to "epmovi" (my secondary
 address), when I replay work the default my_hdr.
 How I can to automaticaly replay with "epmovi" (out of an ML
 scenario)?

 PS
 I split my incoming mail with procmail, in many (many) folder.
 The other gone to the default mbox (set mbox=~/posta/mbox).
 
 PS2
 Sorry for my terrible! english, and... happy new year :)

-- 
Franco
"Quello che abbiamo e' quello che ci siamo presi, e quello che ci siamo 
 presi e' solo una piccola parte di quello di cui abbiamo bisogno"
   Assalti Frontali

Re: Deleting a mail without jumping to next

[Im Eunjea]

* Gary Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-01-04 12:16]:
> On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 11:05:59PM +0300, Im Eunjea wrote:
> > * Nick Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-01-04 20:57]:
> > > Hi all, 
> > > If I hit 'd' to delete a mail whilst reading it in the pager Mutt takes
> > > me to the next undeleted/unread (not sure which) again in the pager.
> > > This seems like a fine idea but I'd really prefer to be taken back
> > > to the index.
> > > 
> > > I've looked around but can't work out what controls this behaviour?
> > > 
> > > Many thanks
> > 
> > macro pager d  "delete-message; quit"
> 
> This works, but it also advances you to the next message, marking it as
> read.  To avoid this problem, reverse the order of the delete-message
> and quit/exit commands:
> 
> macro pager d  "delete current message and exit to index"
> 
> Gary
> 

Yes, You are right.
I missed I have some folder-hook stuff.

macro pager d 
set   resolve=no

-- 
Eunjea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

GnuPG fingerprint: 08C9 2D3F 91B2 D395 2EFF  4C33 544C 321C E194 91CF



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Re: my-text-mode

[Im Eunjea]

* Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-01-04 16:01]:
> [gio 03/01/2002, ore 21:48] => Walt Mankowski scrive:
> 
>  [...]
>  
>  There is a way to have differents quote colors, in emacs?
> 

maybe this will help?
It's from Walt Mankowski's .emacs and I just put (turn-on-font-lock).


;; Automatically go into mail-mode and auto-fill-mode if filename
;; starts with /tmp/mutt, and move past the mail headers.
(setq auto-mode-alist (append (list (cons "^\/tmp\/mutt" 'mail-mode))
  auto-mode-alist))
(add-hook 'mail-mode-hook 'my-mail-mode-hook)

(defun my-mail-mode-hook ()
  (turn-on-font-lock)
  (auto-fill-mode)
  (mail-text)
)


-- 
Eunjea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

GnuPG fingerprint: 08C9 2D3F 91B2 D395 2EFF  4C33 544C 321C E194 91CF



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Why use pgp with mutt?

[Nick Wilson]

Hi folks
I've been seeing 'pgp signitures' and suchlike since joining this group
and I'm a bit baffled. 

Why the need to encrypt harmless text? 
It looks interesting and I wondered if you might share some opinions and
pointers with me?

Cheers 
-- 

Nick Wilson

Tel:+45 3325 0688
Fax:+45 3325 0677
Web:www.explodingnet.com

Re: [Announce] SECURITY: mutt-1.2.5.1 and mutt-1.3.25 released.

[Michael Elkins]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 02:34:00PM +0100, Kai Blin wrote:
> This means you can send an email with the header line hacked and execute
> code that's run with the rights of the mutt user.

In this particular case it would be difficult to exploit because the
attacker only has the option of writing one NUL (0x00) byte and can't chose
to write arbitrary instructions onto the stack.  IMO, at worst it really
would only be a DoS attack.

me

Re: Why use pgp with mutt?

[Ricardo SIGNES]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 10:54:46PM +0100, Nick Wilson wrote:
> Hi folks
> I've been seeing 'pgp signitures' and suchlike since joining this group
> and I'm a bit baffled. 
> Why the need to encrypt harmless text? 
> It looks interesting and I wondered if you might share some opinions and
> pointers with me?

Ah, you mistake signature and encryption! :)

A signature is just that -- it's a cryptographic message that proves that you
'signed' (and, presumably) sent a message.  If I send you a message that I've
signed with gpg, you can be sure that I wrote it.  (Or at least that I approved
it.)

Even without GPG, though, you can read the body of the message, as it isn't 
encrypted.

Signing messages, even if their content is harmless and relatively unimportant
is a good practise.  If you only sign 'important' messages, then it's easy for
people to forge messages from you -- they don't need to sign it.  The policy 
should be that if it isn't signed, it isn't from you.  

If you sign everything, that policy is realistic.  If you sign only some 
messages, it is not.

No one sends encrypted messages to a mailing list unless there's a shared key
for decrypting messages -- and that would be an unusual situation.

-- 
rjbs



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Re: Why use pgp with mutt?

[Justin R. Miller]

Thus spake Nick Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> I've been seeing 'pgp signitures' and suchlike since joining this
> group and I'm a bit baffled. 
> 
> Why the need to encrypt harmless text? 
> It looks interesting and I wondered if you might share some opinions
> and pointers with me?

I wrote a guide on using GnuPG with Mutt, including some of the theory
behind how it works (in a very non-technical way).  It also features a
link to someplace or other that explains some thoughts behind the need
for encryption and digital signatures.  You can see it at:

http://codesorcery.net/mutt/

-- 
Justin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
View my website at http://codesorcery.net
Please encrypt email using key 0xC9C40C31



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Re: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?

[Cameron Simpson]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 09:36:17PM +0100, Roman Neuhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 08:29:55PM +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
| > > as pointed out by others, you made a good choice with getmail over
| > > fetchmail, since the latter breaks the unix philosophy "do one
| > > thing, but do it right".
| > 
| > What?  fetchmail only does one thing.  It downloads mail and injects it
| > into the local mail system. [..]
| > I really don't care what program you use.  But really is it necessary to
| > belittle someone elses tool in the process?
| 
| I think I forgot to attach ":)" to that sentence. That said, I _do_
| think that fetchmail has gone the Windows "I can do it all for ya,
| pal" way, which is not what I like.
| 
| Let me put it this way: how would you label fetchmail? what is its
| job? is it to talk SSL, talk SMTP (great if you need to get rid of
| some messages in endless loops and similar stuff), filter spam, or
| is it to talk POP, and write the messages to /dev/null, disk or
| another program's stdin?

I'd still characterise it as above "It downloads mail from a remote mail
system and injects it into the local mail system." It speaks a few fetch
protocols (pop, imap) and two delivery methods (smtp and to a delivery
program). It knows how to deal with several buggy service implementations.

But it does only one thing, and quite well. Getmail speaks only pop and
has filtering to boot - looks less functional and more bloated at the
same time!

If you're collecting from a sane and conformant POP server getmail will
work just fine. But fetchmail does do just one thing, and it does do
it well.
-- 
Cameron Simpson, DoD#743[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/

The BMW context is similar. Maybe the Germans started it, I remember my
'60s R60s having spring-loaded stands. Perhaps this is the ideal
compromise - when it's new, and you're afraid to let it out of your hands
in case it attacks a taxi or rubbishes a crowd of drunken hoons, the stand
springs up at every opportunity and locks into place with a satisfying
clang... but after a few storms, dirt roads, road grime (quite a few of
course), the pivot wears unevenly, and with the passage of time the stand
relaxes and becomes choosy about when it will come up. Eventually it won't
come up at all - it happens to everyone in time - but by then the stand is
so familiar that you don't even need to look any more, to put it down or
pick it up (surface permitting). This is the peak of motorcycling pleasure
- the rider is one with the sidestand.
- Gary Woodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

next/prev thread

[Katie Bechtold]

(Oops, I encrypted this message the first time I sent it.)

Is there a way in mutt to move around in the message index to the
next/previous unread message?  This would be particularly useful
when, for example, one has a message index sorted by thread and
there are new messages in response to threads that are hundreds of
entries apart.  (I'm looking for a solution other than sorting by
received-date or using the next/previous page functions.)

-- 
Katie Bechtold
http://www.katie-and-rob.org/katie/




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Re: next/prev thread

[Justin R. Miller]

Thus spake Katie Bechtold ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> Is there a way in mutt to move around in the message index to the
> next/previous unread message?  

Aside from the normal Tab/Shift-Tab setup for _new_messages, I use
these:

bind pager  next-new
bind index  next-new
bind pager  previous-new
bind index  previous-new
bind pager  next-unread
bind index  next-unread
bind pager  previous-unread
bind index  previous-unread

Works pretty well for me. 

-- 
Justin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
View my website at http://codesorcery.net
Please encrypt email using key 0xC9C40C31



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Re: next/prev unread

[martin f krafft]

don't you just love people who GPG/PGP encrypt messages and send them to
a mailing list? especially mutt-users, given that mutt can handle
GPG/PGP just fine...

-- 
martin;  (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
  \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; net@madduck
  
someday we'll find it
the rainbow connection
the lovers, the dreamers,
and me!
 -- kermit



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Re: pgp hook patches

[Dale Woolridge]

David noted that my recent pgp-hook extension patch conflicts with
Bardur Arantsson's pgp-hook-extension patch.  Borrowing Bardur's
idea and following David's suggestion, I have implemented the same
idea following the existing hook model more closely.  You can find
the new patch at http://www.woolridge.org/mutt/.  Bardur's patch
extended pgp-hook from
pgp-hook  
to
pgp-hook   [, ] ...

My patch, aside from the pgp_confirmhook/pgp_autokeyselect support,
now allows multiple pgp-hook's with the same pattern, e.g.:
pgp-hook  
pgp-hook  
...
--
-Dale



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Re: Send-hook is Lazy

[Aaron Schrab]

At 15:19 +0100 04 Jan 2002, Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  send-hook . \
>  my_hdr From: Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  
>  send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] \
>  'my_hdr From: Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; \
> set signature=~/.signature.epmovi"

>  I've a question:
>  it work fine, but if someone post a mail to "epmovi" (my secondary
>  address), when I replay work the default my_hdr.
>  How I can to automaticaly replay with "epmovi" (out of an ML
>  scenario)?

First, you'll need to change that default (first) send-hook to remove
any previously applied From: header.  You can instead use the $from
variable to set your default address:

send-hook . unmy_hdr From
set from="Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

Then if you tell mutt what adresses belong to you (with an appropriate
regexp for $alternates) and set $reverse_name, mutt will automatically
use the address to which a message was sent when you do a reply:

set alternates='(franco@firenze\.linux\.it|epmovi@tin\.it)'
set reverse_name

-- 
Aaron Schrab [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.execpc.com/~aarons/
 The only difference between a car salesman and a computer salesman is
 that the car salesman knows he's lying.

Re: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?

[Rob 'Feztaa' Park]

Alas! Roman Neuhauser spake thus:
> > What?  fetchmail only does one thing.  It downloads mail and injects it
> > into the local mail system. It has no filtering mechanism other than a
> > rudimentary anti-spam mechanism.  If you want to do filtering you just
> > set your LDA to something like fetchmail.  
...
> I think I forgot to attach ":)" to that sentence. That said, I _do_
> think that fetchmail has gone the Windows "I can do it all for ya,
> pal" way, which is not what I like.

I highly doubt that fetchmail has broken the unix philosophy. It was
written by Eric S. Raymond, FFS.

> Let me put it this way: how would you label fetchmail? what is its
> job? is it to talk SSL, talk SMTP (great if you need to get rid of
> some messages in endless loops and similar stuff), filter spam, or
> is it to talk POP, and write the messages to /dev/null, disk or
> another program's stdin?

I would label it as a mail retrieval utility, that downloads my mail
from my ISP into my postfix. It happens to be capable of several
different protocols; this makes it robust, not windows-ish.

-- 
Rob 'Feztaa' Park
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
"Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love."
-- Woody Allen, from 'Annie Hall', 1977



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Re: Working with mbox

[Rob 'Feztaa' Park]

Alas! David Champion spake thus:
> > > and just source .muttrc-auto from .muttrc. Ugly but would work.
> > 
> > Interesting idea. I'm sure I've seen a better way to do it, though.
> > Perhaps I'll have to search the archives :)
> 
> I'm into overkill today.
> 
> You could put that in a script such as the one I've attached, and run
> it from .muttrc like this:
> 
> source `$HOME/bin/mutt-prep folders=$HOME/mail`
> 
> This approach lets your mutt-prep script write anything muttrc-ish on
> its stdout, and mutt will absorb it with no shell wrappers. The cmdline
> eval lets your source line configure the script's parameters easily.
> (You could do it with prefixed variables or /bin/env, but this makes
> them local instead of environmental, fwiw, and it might be easier to
> read.)
> 
> It's fundamentally the same idea, but you don't have to mess with
> wrappers, at least. It feels a little neater, in some way I can't
> explain.

Well, I had a bit of a hard time following your script, but based on the
pine addressbook bit, I take it it doesn't do _quite_ what I'm looking
for... but it gave me an idea (not sure if this is what you were already
doing...): Would it be possible to write a script that simply writes
muttrc stuff to a file, and the writes the filename to stdout? That way
I'd still be avoiding the wrapper. I'm going to try that, I'll let you
know the results :)

> ## This emits muttrc commands on stdout. call it with
> ##source `/path/to/mutt-prep`
> ## in your .muttrc file.

Now I'm just confused... so you're saying that the end result would be
this:

source mbox-hook =folder "=archives/`date +%Y-%m`-folder"

??

Can source take muttrc commands? I thought source only took filenames.

-- 
Rob 'Feztaa' Park
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
"It takes 5 NT servers to offer the performance and availability of
a single UNIX server."
-- Network Computing, July 15 1998



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Re: next/prev unread

[Rob 'Feztaa' Park]

Alas! martin f krafft spake thus:
> don't you just love people who GPG/PGP encrypt messages and send them to
> a mailing list? especially mutt-users, given that mutt can handle
> GPG/PGP just fine...

I wonder who it's actually encrypted to...

-- 
Rob 'Feztaa' Park
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
The choral background music for the recent Microsoft Internet
Explorer TV ads is the Confutatis Maledictis from Mozart's Requiem
(Mass for the dead).  The words of the final blast of music that
accompanies "Where do you want to go today?" are "confutatis
maledictis, flammis acribus addictis...", which means "the damned
and accursed are convicted to flames of hell." Presumably, this
answers that question once and for all.



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Re: my-text-mode

[Walt Mankowski]

On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 12:34:15AM +0300, Im Eunjea wrote:
> * Franco Vite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-01-04 16:01]:
> >  There is a way to have differents quote colors, in emacs?
> 
> maybe this will help?
> It's from Walt Mankowski's .emacs and I just put (turn-on-font-lock).

I have

  (turn-on-font-lock)
  (global-font-lock-mode t)
  (setq font-lock-maximum-decoration t)

(just to be safe) elsewhere in my .emacs. :-)

Walt




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Re: Working with mbox

[Rob 'Feztaa' Park]

Alas! Rob 'Feztaa' Park spake thus:
> > I'm into overkill today.
> > 
> > You could put that in a script such as the one I've attached, and run
> > it from .muttrc like this:
> > 
> > source `$HOME/bin/mutt-prep folders=$HOME/mail`

Thanks for your help, guys, this is what I've come up with:

my .muttrc contains this line:

source `~/bin/mbox-hooks`

and the script is attached.

-- 
Rob 'Feztaa' Park
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
"The Irish gave the bagpipes to the Scots as a joke, but the Scots
haven't seen the joke yet."
-- Oliver Herford


#!/bin/bash

# Changing into the mail directory is less processor-intensive than
# running basename on every file
cd ~/mail/

# This is the name of the file to store our mbox hooks in
file="/home/feztaa/.mutt/muttrc-mboxes"

# Prime the file: make sure it's there and overwrite whatever's in it
echo "# Mbox hooks for mutt!" > $file

# For every mbox we have, echo the appropriate mbox-hooks into the file.
for i in *; do
  [ -d "$i" ] || echo "mbox-hook =$i \"=archives/$(date +%Y-%m)-$i\"" >> $file
done

# Echo the filename to stdout so that the source command in .muttrc picks it up.
echo $file

# Change back into the previous directory (this outputs text that we don't want)
cd - > /dev/null 2>&1



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Re: Working with mbox

[Gary Johnson]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 07:04:12PM -0700, Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote:
> Alas! Rob 'Feztaa' Park spake thus:
> > > I'm into overkill today.
> > > 
> > > You could put that in a script such as the one I've attached, and run
> > > it from .muttrc like this:
> > > 
> > > source `$HOME/bin/mutt-prep folders=$HOME/mail`
> 
> Thanks for your help, guys, this is what I've come up with:
> 
> my .muttrc contains this line:
> 
> source `~/bin/mbox-hooks`

This has been a great discussion.  I didn't know mutt could source the
output of a command.

> and the script is attached.

> #!/bin/bash
...
> # Change back into the previous directory (this outputs text that we don't want)
> cd - > /dev/null 2>&1

This is not necessary.  The command within `s is executed as a child
process of mutt.  Unix child processes cannot affect the working
directory of their parent.  So, none of the cd'ing within the mbox-hooks
command will have any effect on mutt's working directory.

Gary

-- 
Gary Johnson   | Agilent Technologies
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   | Spokane, Washington, USA
http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/ |

Re: Working with mbox

[Rob 'Feztaa' Park]

Alas! Gary Johnson spake thus:
> > cd - > /dev/null 2>&1
> 
> This is not necessary.  The command within `s is executed as a child
> process of mutt.  Unix child processes cannot affect the working
> directory of their parent.  So, none of the cd'ing within the mbox-hooks
> command will have any effect on mutt's working directory.

True, guess I wasn't thinking. It's not the first time I've had to have
a script cd somewhere then cd back. Just habit now :)

-- 
Rob 'Feztaa' Park
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Microsoft - because God hates us.



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Re: my-text-mode

[Samuel Padgett]

Walt Mankowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have
> 
>   (turn-on-font-lock)
>   (global-font-lock-mode t)
>   (setq font-lock-maximum-decoration t)
> 
> (just to be safe) elsewhere in my .emacs. :-)

If you're using GNU Emacs, you only need

(global-font-lock-mode 1)

The other lines are superfluous.

Sam

Re: my-text-mode

[Walt Mankowski]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 10:02:50PM -0500, Samuel Padgett wrote:
> If you're using GNU Emacs, you only need
> 
> (global-font-lock-mode 1)
> 
> The other lines are superfluous.

I was wondering about that when I posted it...  :-)




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Re: Forwarding threads

[Marco Fioretti]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 20:20:43 at 08:20:43PM +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
> Hi ladies and gents,
> 
> some informations out of this list are very usefull to use at my
> office!
> 
> How do I forward or bounce a complete thread to another adress?

Just look from your office to the mailing list archives, or:

tag the whole thread
copy it to a temporary mailbox
compress the mailbox and
send it as attachment to your office address

both ways will save bandwidth/time, right?

Marco
> 
> Ciao
> 
> Elimar
> 
> -- 
>   You cannot propel yourself forward by
>   patting yourself on the back.
> --

-- 
None can love freedom heartily but good men; the rest love not freedom
but license.
John Milton

Re: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?

[Mark Johnson]

Try using:
postmaster = "|/usr/bin/procmail || exit 75"
in getmailrc.
-- 

Mark Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Working with mbox

[Gerhard Siegesmund]

> > > > You could put that in a script such as the one I've attached, and run
> > > > it from .muttrc like this:
> > > > source `$HOME/bin/mutt-prep folders=$HOME/mail`
> > Thanks for your help, guys, this is what I've come up with:
> > my .muttrc contains this line:
> > source `~/bin/mbox-hooks`
> This has been a great discussion.  I didn't know mutt could source the
> output of a command.

Which version of mutt does this? I am using 1.2.5.1i and I just get an
error trying to source the output of a command. TIA

-- 
cu
  --== Jerri ==--
Homepage:   http://www.jerri.de/   ICQ: 54160208



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