Re: mutt sucks... II

[Mike Leone]

Payal ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 10 20, 02 at 14:52: 
> Hi,
> Great to receive mails from you all.
> > use the s (save) command. this will give you a prompt where you can specify
> got it. works beautifully, but can I do multiple saves at a same time?

Tag all the ones you want saved (with the ";" key), then save them.

> > > 2. Also when I fire mutt I get a list of my folders like I said
> > > Mail/inbox, Mail/friends, Mail/mutt. Now I want to see there in the
> > > index itself whether I have any unread mails in any of the folder and if
> > > possible the number of unread mails. My set index_format line is,
> 
> > if you have a ``mailboxes'' command (see man muttrc) in your muttrc you can
> > press c to change mailbox and use tab to cycle through all mailboxes which
> > contain new mail.  the mailboxes command might look like:
> 
> No, i think you didn't get me right. I don't want to know which folders
> can get mails or be checked for mails. I want to know looking at the
> *folder name*, how many read/unread/total (choose anyone or all) without
> going inside the folder. I mean I should see a format like when I start mutt, press 
>"c" and then "?",
> 2 friends (2)
> 3 inbox (12)
> 4 mutt (0)

I do, using IMAP. However, I have to hit "c", and then TAB to get the list;
then I see the number unread. If I hit "c", and then "?", I only see the
mailboxes, not the number unread. See if that helps.

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Re: Viewing HTML difficulties in mutt 1.4

[Mike Leone]

Michael Tatge ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 10 19, 02 at 07:52: 
> Mike Leone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered:
> > Hello. I seem to not be understanding something about viewing HTML email in
> > mut.
> 
> Hm right. Your mixing things up.

No doubt. :-)

> > I have these entries in my muttrc:
> > 
> >   set mailcap_path  = ~/.mutt/.mailcap:/etc/mailcap
> > 
> > And my ~/.mutt/.mailcap has:
> > 
> > text/html; w3m -v -cookie -F -T text/html %s; copiousoutput
> > 
> > Which properly shows me the HTML email (using urlview),
> 
> No mailcap is used when (v)iewing attachments. It has nothing to do with
> urlview.

AH. I knew not, this. :-)

> > but doesn't allow me to click on any of the links (which I sometimes
> > want/need to do).
> 
> leave out the copiousoutput.
> man mailcap

I will try that.

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Viewing HTML difficulties in mutt 1.4

[Mike Leone]

Hello. I seem to not be understanding something about viewing HTML email in
mut.

I have these entries in my muttrc:

  set mailcap_path  = ~/.mutt/.mailcap:/etc/mailcap
  alternative_order text/plain  # Show plaintext rather than HTML

And my ~/.mutt/.mailcap has:

text/html; w3m -v -cookie -F -T text/html %s; copiousoutput

Which properly shows me the HTML email (using urlview), but doesn't allow me
to click on any of the links (which I sometimes want/need to do).

My /etc/urlview/url_handler.sh has this:

http_prgs="/usr/bin/X11/opera:PW /usr/bin/w3m -F -T:XT" 

What am I doing wrong, that the links aren't active?

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Re: Autoview images in the pager

[Mike Leone]

* Rob Reid ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 10 06, 02 at 02:00: 
> Hi,
> 
> At 11:58 PM EDT on October  5 Mike Leone sent off:
> > * Rob Reid ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 10 05, 02 at 22:35: 
> > > Danger, Will Robinson! ;-)
> > > 
> > > At  8:21 AM EDT on October  5 Viktor Lakics sent off:
> > > > I have a crazy idea, I wanted to ask you about: Has anyone ever
> > > > tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt? 
> > > 
> > > You might know this already, but a common spammer tactic is to include images
> > > in their html mails like  > > src="http://spam.server.com/Viktor_actually_read_this_spam.gif";> that let
> > > them know that you actually read their spam, *if* you read the message in a
> > > graphical browser.  From then on you can count on that address receiving the
> > > GSSSP (Gross Solar System Spam Product).
> > 
> > Most times, yes. But the majority of people actually don't use console based
> > mailers, but graphical ones. And the graphical ones usually show the HTML
> > directly, that is, they don't spawn a browser. Think of Outlook or Eudora. 
> 
> Why does that matter?  Each web bug is unique, so any request for it, from
> anywhere, anything, or anyone, still dooms the address the bug refers to.

Because browser programs can (usually) be told to not load images in web
pages; embedded browser windows, such as in Outlook and Eudora, don't have
such options  (I think - I haven't tested to see whether they would honor
the full browser config).

> > More annoying are the 1x1 pixel images that you can't even see, that do the
> > same thing. I believe the term is "web bug".
> 
> I wasn't excluding them.  Personally, I like the 1x1s better than the garish,
> bandwidth hogging, CPU killing, animated gifs.
> 
> ObMutt: Would a macro that 
> 1. autoviews/mailcap displays stuff from trusted senders*
> or
> 2. defangs (temporarily, in a display filter way, since untrusted innocents
> are included) stuff from everyone else
> 
> necessarily require mutt to understand if statements?
> 
> * possibly approximated by the aliases file, although you can't trust anyone
> using untrusted software, no matter how nice they are.
> 

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Re: Autoview images in the pager

[Mike Leone]

* Rob Reid ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 10 05, 02 at 22:35: 
> Danger, Will Robinson! ;-)
> 
> At  8:21 AM EDT on October  5 Viktor Lakics sent off:
> > I have a crazy idea, I wanted to ask you about: Has anyone ever
> > tried to work out how to autoview graphics inside mutt? 
> 
> You might know this already, but a common spammer tactic is to include images
> in their html mails like  src="http://spam.server.com/Viktor_actually_read_this_spam.gif";> that let
> them know that you actually read their spam, *if* you read the message in a
> graphical browser.  From then on you can count on that address receiving the
> GSSSP (Gross Solar System Spam Product).

Most times, yes. But the majority of people actually don't use console based
mailers, but graphical ones. And the graphical ones usually show the HTML
directly, that is, they don't spawn a browser. Think of Outlook or Eudora. 

On Linux, at least, some graphical mailers - for example, Evolution - can be
configured not to get images in HTML email at all, or only if the sender is
in the address book.

This is probably a more pervasive problem on Windows than Linux.

> Yes, I know there are countermeasures like proxies, defangers, and filtering
> spam away first, but I thought everyone should know that this path is
> perilous. 

More annoying are the 1x1 pixel images that you can't even see, that do the
same thing. I believe the term is "web bug".

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Re: Mutt, SSH and Urlview -> microsoft.public.windowsxp.*

[Mike Leone]

* Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 10 05, 02 at 08:59: 
> * Elimar Riesebieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-04 16:21]:
> > Sven Guckes told:
> > > still, i hope that the list of newsgroups
> > > can help you find people with knowledge
> > > about windowsxp scripting and access to the
> > > browsers used on that system.  good luck!
> > > newsgroups about "windows xp"..
> >
> > Are you bribed by M$ ?
> 
> is this a trick question?
> 
> windows problems should be solved by
> people who get paid by M$, right?

Not always. Many times they are solved by volunteer posters - that's what
you see in that long list of newsgroups you posted earlier. ike any
newsgroup, the majority of the posts are volunteers helping others. Same with the
very many Windows related mailing lists.

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Re: starting out with gpg

[Mike Leone]

* Elimar Riesebieter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 10 03, 02 at 
14:36: 
> 
> Not needed! I checked my muttrc for something like gpg --recv and
> all is commented out. My keyreceive works from my ~/.gnupg/options:
> 
> keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve include-disabled include-revoked
> 
> This works for gnupg 1.07 and 1.2. I remember in gnupg 1.06 it must
> be recv-keys as a single option.

Gives you a really huge keyring, too, with these all these keys from
strangers. :-)



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Re: [OT] LDAP lookups (Was: Re: mutt and exchange)

[Mike Leone]

* Gerhard Häring ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 10 01, 02 at 21:32: 
> * Mike Leone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-09-30 22:03 -0400]:
> > Exchange, by default, makes it's Global Address Books available via LDAP, so
> > anything that reads LDAP can read it off of Exchange that way. Not so for
> > personal address books.
> 
> The Active Directory flavour, right? As far as I understand, A. D. has
> an incompatible auth method, and thus cannot be accessed by "normal"
> LDAP tools

No, I can access my Exchange 5.5 GAL via a LDAP lookup from Outlook Express.
No AD involved; this is NT 4.





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Re: [OT] LDAP lookups (Was: Re: mutt and exchange)

[Mike Leone]

* David Britton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 09 30, 02 at 19:46: 
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 08:29:52AM -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote:
> >
> > In particular, it is my understanding that there is some
> > way to use the global (and personal?) address book(s) on the server. Maybe
> > it's LDAP? 
> 
> If so than you may be in luck.
> 
> > Perhaps it has something to do with the query functions? Do I need an
> > external program to help? 
> 
> Absolutely you will.  Thus, the rest of this mail is a bit "Off-Topic"
> for this list.
> 
> > Is there a HOWTO somewhere (Google did not find anything useful for
> > "mutt exchange howto")?
> 
> Mutt would have nothing to do with this...  So your search probably
> wouldn't be that useful...  Furthermore, I don't know of a way (outside
> of maybe Ximian's "Exchange Connector" program) to interface with
> Exchange address books from non-M$ platforms.  If you have an LDAP

Exchange, by default, makes it's Global Address Books available via LDAP, so
anything that reads LDAP can read it off of Exchange that way. Not so for
personal address books.



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Re: fast conversion of html mail to text

[Mike Leone]

* Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 09 30, 02 at 20:56: 
> * Sven Guckes said:
> > well, if you subscribe to a HTML-only newsletter
> > then you were asking for it - so it's your problem.
> 
> * Michael Leone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-09-26 17:27]:
> > It's *not* a problem, for me, anyway.
> 
> so you are ignoring the extra but superfluous data - fine.

Not ignoring it. And it's not (always) superflous - some people *want* their
email to be read in the way they present it - links, colors, etc. So I have
mutt call out w3m to see HTML-only email. Or I ignore it, if I feel like.
Like anything else, it's my choice. As ignoring it is your choice.

> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.7)
> 
> but you are obviously are also ignoring the fact that i am
> subscribed to the list and therefore do *not* need any CCs.

Usually, I edit that out, and have the list as the only email address in the
TO:, but I didn't bother that time.
 
> webmailers *suck*.  and if it is not the mailer
> then it must be the people using them.  *hrmpf*

Go have a beer or something, Sven - people will like you better if you're
less grumpy over things that are really not all that world-shattering.





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Re: fast conversion of html mail to text

[Mike Leone]

* Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 09 25, 02 at 21:26: 
> * On Sep 25 2002, Erik Christiansen..:
> > Of the 2247 advertising spams I've received
> > since February, 1899 were html.
> 
> * Laurabelle said:
> > Am I the only one who read that as "February 1899" and
> > thought "what, they had the internet back *then*?"
> 
> * Michael Leone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-09-25 18:37]:
> > Yes, but only teletype machines. :-)
> 
> "he he"
> 
> > Actually, I've gotten many non-HTML spams, too.
> > And I get many valid HTML mail, both
> > newsletters and private correspondence.
> 
> has the thought ever struck you that it might be *you*?

Since I know many different people that both send and receive HTML mail,
none of whome are spammers; and since I get a number of HTML-only newletters that
are defintely not spam ... no, that thought has never struck me.

:-)

Has the thought ever struck you that perhaps you are too restrictive in what you
accept?

> 
> > Random Thought:
> > --
> >
> 
> duh.

Hey, not my fault - my SquirrelMail web interface sometimes forgets to read
the output of the fortune program.



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Re: imap and new mail

[Mike Leone]

* D. J. Bolderman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 09 24, 02 at 17:35: 
> On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> 
> > > At work I now have mutt set up to properly connect via IMAP to an Exchange
> > > server. The problem is, though, that new messages always appear as old and
> > > unread. This means that mutt -Z is useless. Is there some adjustment that
> > > would have to be made on the server to make new messages appear as new (I
> > > know next to nothing about either Exchange or IMAP)? Is there something I
> > > can tell mutt to get it to treat old/unread as new, particularly with
> > > reespect to the -Z option?
> > 
> > Here, with IMAP, I get new messages as expected. But when I reconnect
> > to the server, all the new messages become old messages! This is very
> > annoying, in particular when I have to quit and restart Mutt without
> > having read all the new messages.
> 
> So how do all you IMAP users get an overview of all new mails per folder
> when you start Mutt ? Do you have to browse each folder to see if there
> are any new mails ??

Yes. :-( The  command (normally "c") shows no new mail
indicator, when changing to different IMAP folders. 

Note: the messages within the folders are properly marked as "N" (new). And
will stay that way until read, presuming that you "unset mark_old". It's
just the list of folders that does not tell you if there is new mail in a
folder, so you have to look in each folder.



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Re: mutt and exchange

[Mike Leone]

* David Rock ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 09 04, 02 at 18:05: 
> On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 04:27:19PM -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote:
> > Michael Leone sez:

Just to be clear .. I did *not* say the following.

> > 
> > Well, I guessed a couple of workgroups, which didn't work, but I don't know
> > what workgroup I am in. Is there any way to tell from Windows XP
> > Professional (which is where I have Outlook working)? I don't believe the
> > machine itself is part of a workgroup, since I installed WinXP on it
> > myself. I don't recall entering a workgroup anywhere at all.

Re: New mail notification problems

[Mike Leone]

* John Iverson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 08 19, 02 at 16:43: 
> * On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Michael Elkins wrote:
> 
> > The only known issue (afaik) about Mutt *not* reporting new
> > mail is when the user has "unset mark_old" in their
> > configuration.  In this case a message that would ordinarily be
> > marked as old is still new, but won't be detected with the file
> > modification/access time heuristic.
> 
> I don't know if it's related, but I've noticed the following
> behavior which was briefly discussed here before: When you switch
> from Mailbox A (index or pager view) to the folder list view,
> Mutt won't show the N flag next to Mailbox A when there is new
> mail in it.  It doesn't seem to matter whether the new mail was
> already there or if it arrives while in folder list view.  If you
> then switch to Mailbox B and back to folder view, the N flag for
> Mailbox A works again (but now Mailbox B has the same issue).
> 
> Can anyone say whether this is a feature or bug?  I'm using
> Maildir folders with "set mark_old=no", if that's relevant.

I use Maildir with IMAP, and I see *no* new mail notifications on the
folders at all. When I open the mailbox (maildir), yes - the index or pager
shows new messages. But using the "c" command to switch folders only ever
shows the name of the folder, and not a new mail notification symbol.

You're saying that you do see a new mail indicator on Maildir (i.e., IMAP)
folders?