Re: Is there a hook for modifying a To: field?

[Kurt Hackenberg]

On 2020-08-26 15:29, Ian Zimmerman wrote:


It would be easy if List-Post: was always present and the other was
sometimes there.


Right, in my case the List-Post is consistent and is the only address
"subscribed" in mutt.

If the List-Post is _not_ consistent, I'd really call it a buggy list
and try to get the listmasters' attention.



Agreed, I also call that a list bug. The set of List-* headers should be 
present in every message from the list.

Re: Is there a hook for modifying a To: field?

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2020-08-26 10:00, Chris Green wrote:

> > I am on a few lists that behave like this. I think they might be
> > rather more common than you suspect. But, I have never had a problem
> > posting - list reply always uses only the address in List-Post. (I
> > use neomutt, maybe it is different in this respect?)
> > 
> Do you have both 'list' addresses in the lists and subscribe entries
> in muttrc?  If the List-Post: entry was always present on my list then
> I could remove the other from lists/subscribe, but it isn't always
> there.
> 
> It would be easy if List-Post: was always present and the other was
> sometimes there.

Right, in my case the List-Post is consistent and is the only address
"subscribed" in mutt.

If the List-Post is _not_ consistent, I'd really call it a buggy list
and try to get the listmasters' attention.

-- 
Ian

Re: Is there a hook for modifying a To: field?

[Chris Green]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 02:52:00PM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> On 2020-08-25 15:37, Kurt Hackenberg wrote:
> 
> > >To: "'David Eyre'" ,
> > >   "'ixion'" 
> > ...
> > >List-Post: 
> > 
> > Two different addresses for the list.  Which one is correct?
> > 
> > Do all messages from the list have this mismatch, or only messages
> > from this sender?  If all of them, I suspect misconfiguration of the
> > mailing list software.  If only those from this sender, I suspect that
> > he has an incorrect list address stored locally.
> 
> I am on a few lists that behave like this. I think they might be rather
> more common than you suspect. But, I have never had a problem posting -
> list reply always uses only the address in List-Post. (I use neomutt,
> maybe it is different in this respect?)
> 
Do you have both 'list' addresses in the lists and subscribe entries
in muttrc?  If the List-Post: entry was always present on my list then
I could remove the other from lists/subscribe, but it isn't always
there.

It would be easy if List-Post: was always present and the other was
sometimes there.

-- 
Chris Green

Re: Is there a hook for modifying a To: field?

[Chris Green]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 03:37:57PM -0400, Kurt Hackenberg wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 01:46:52PM +0100, Chris Green wrote:
> 
> >Here's the headers, rather verbose I'm afraid:-
> ...
> >From: NWY6 
> ...
> >To: "'David Eyre'" ,
> > "'ixion'" 
> ...
> >List-Post: 
> 
> Two different addresses for the list.  Which one is correct?
> 
> Do all messages from the list have this mismatch, or only messages
> from this sender?  If all of them, I suspect misconfiguration of the
> mailing list software.  If only those from this sender, I suspect that
> he has an incorrect list address stored locally.

It's basically pretty random.  Some senders use one address, some use
the other, so I have to treat both addresses as list addresses.
Removing ix...@ixion.org.uk from lists/subscribe in my muttrc means
that L[ist reply] won't work with all messages to the list.

-- 
Chris Green

Re: Is there a hook for modifying a To: field?

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2020-08-25 15:37, Kurt Hackenberg wrote:

> >To: "'David Eyre'" ,
> > "'ixion'" 
> ...
> >List-Post: 
> 
> Two different addresses for the list.  Which one is correct?
> 
> Do all messages from the list have this mismatch, or only messages
> from this sender?  If all of them, I suspect misconfiguration of the
> mailing list software.  If only those from this sender, I suspect that
> he has an incorrect list address stored locally.

I am on a few lists that behave like this. I think they might be rather
more common than you suspect. But, I have never had a problem posting -
list reply always uses only the address in List-Post. (I use neomutt,
maybe it is different in this respect?)

-- 
Ian

Re: Is there a hook for modifying a To: field?

[raf]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 01:05:39PM +0100, Chris Green  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 09:15:55AM +1000, raf wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 10:32:56AM +0100, Chris Green  wrote:
> > 
> > > I am on a mailing list which has two addresses, occasionally when one
> > > does L[ist reply] the To: address is:-
> > > 
> > > ix...@ixiemaster.ixion.org.uk, Ixilist 
> > > 
> > > At present I normally notice this and remove one of the addresses but
> > > it would be nice if I could automate this.  Is there a hook (send_hook
> > > maybe) that can be used to change this?  It can't just change every
> > > case of either ix...@ixiemaster.ixion.org.uk or ix...@ixion.org.uk as
> > > most of the time a L[ist reply] only gets a single address.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Chris Green
> > 
> > It seems odd that a mailing list would have two
> > addresses. Presumably the are interchangeable. If so,
> > perhaps you could use procmail or imapfilter to replace
> > all instances of one of the addresses with the other as
> > the email arrives. That way, when you read it, mutt
> > only sees one of the addresses.
> > 
> It's the only list I'm on that's like this.  I have a custom filter
> program handling incoming mail so I *could* add a special rule but it
> would have to step outside the normal logic of the filter.
> 
> If I replace all occurrences of one address with the other won't mutt
> then simply send a L[ist reply] to the same address twice? ... or does
> mutt have internal logic such that it won't send mail to duplicated
> addresses?
> 
> -- 
> Chris Green

You could apply the transformation to one email manually, and test that.

cheers,
raf

Re: Is there a hook for modifying a To: field?

[Kurt Hackenberg]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 01:46:52PM +0100, Chris Green wrote:

>Here's the headers, rather verbose I'm afraid:-
...
>From: NWY6 
...
>To: "'David Eyre'" ,
>   "'ixion'" 
...
>List-Post: 

Two different addresses for the list.  Which one is correct?

Do all messages from the list have this mismatch, or only messages
from this sender?  If all of them, I suspect misconfiguration of the
mailing list software.  If only those from this sender, I suspect that
he has an incorrect list address stored locally.

Re: Is there a hook for modifying a To: field?

[Chris Green]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 09:52:01AM +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 24Aug2020 10:32, Chris Green  wrote:
> >I am on a mailing list which has two addresses, occasionally when one
> >does L[ist reply] the To: address is:-
> >
> >ix...@ixiemaster.ixion.org.uk, Ixilist 
> >
> >At present I normally notice this and remove one of the addresses but
> >it would be nice if I could automate this.  Is there a hook (send_hook
> >maybe) that can be used to change this?  It can't just change every
> >case of either ix...@ixiemaster.ixion.org.uk or ix...@ixion.org.uk as
> >most of the time a L[ist reply] only gets a single address.
> 
> Can you show the headers of such a message which produces this To: 
> header? And do you have any mutt list subscription settings for these 
> lists?
> 
> [ Personally I use (g)roup-reply and then edit the headers, but I'm 
> weird. ]
> 
Here's the headers, rather verbose I'm afraid:-

`
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Re: Is there a hook for modifying a To: field?

[Chris Green]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 09:15:55AM +1000, raf wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 10:32:56AM +0100, Chris Green  wrote:
> 
> > I am on a mailing list which has two addresses, occasionally when one
> > does L[ist reply] the To: address is:-
> > 
> > ix...@ixiemaster.ixion.org.uk, Ixilist 
> > 
> > At present I normally notice this and remove one of the addresses but
> > it would be nice if I could automate this.  Is there a hook (send_hook
> > maybe) that can be used to change this?  It can't just change every
> > case of either ix...@ixiemaster.ixion.org.uk or ix...@ixion.org.uk as
> > most of the time a L[ist reply] only gets a single address.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Chris Green
> 
> It seems odd that a mailing list would have two
> addresses. Presumably the are interchangeable. If so,
> perhaps you could use procmail or imapfilter to replace
> all instances of one of the addresses with the other as
> the email arrives. That way, when you read it, mutt
> only sees one of the addresses.
> 
It's the only list I'm on that's like this.  I have a custom filter
program handling incoming mail so I *could* add a special rule but it
would have to step outside the normal logic of the filter.

If I replace all occurrences of one address with the other won't mutt
then simply send a L[ist reply] to the same address twice? ... or does
mutt have internal logic such that it won't send mail to duplicated
addresses?

-- 
Chris Green

Re: Is there a hook for modifying a To: field?

[Cameron Simpson]

On 24Aug2020 10:32, Chris Green  wrote:
>I am on a mailing list which has two addresses, occasionally when one
>does L[ist reply] the To: address is:-
>
>ix...@ixiemaster.ixion.org.uk, Ixilist 
>
>At present I normally notice this and remove one of the addresses but
>it would be nice if I could automate this.  Is there a hook (send_hook
>maybe) that can be used to change this?  It can't just change every
>case of either ix...@ixiemaster.ixion.org.uk or ix...@ixion.org.uk as
>most of the time a L[ist reply] only gets a single address.

Can you show the headers of such a message which produces this To: 
header? And do you have any mutt list subscription settings for these 
lists?

[ Personally I use (g)roup-reply and then edit the headers, but I'm 
weird. ]

Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 

Re: Is there a hook for modifying a To: field?

[raf]

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 10:32:56AM +0100, Chris Green  wrote:

> I am on a mailing list which has two addresses, occasionally when one
> does L[ist reply] the To: address is:-
> 
> ix...@ixiemaster.ixion.org.uk, Ixilist 
> 
> At present I normally notice this and remove one of the addresses but
> it would be nice if I could automate this.  Is there a hook (send_hook
> maybe) that can be used to change this?  It can't just change every
> case of either ix...@ixiemaster.ixion.org.uk or ix...@ixion.org.uk as
> most of the time a L[ist reply] only gets a single address.
> 
> -- 
> Chris Green

It seems odd that a mailing list would have two
addresses. Presumably the are interchangeable. If so,
perhaps you could use procmail or imapfilter to replace
all instances of one of the addresses with the other as
the email arrives. That way, when you read it, mutt
only sees one of the addresses.

cheers,
raf