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On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 03:41:57PM -0200, Carlos Pita wrote: > Carlos Made my day. Thank you, -- Dave signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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> ps: your sig should begin with , the characters > not the words. Thanks for the great tip !!! Carlos
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 11:18:49AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Carlos Pita [01-01-70 12:34]: > > > > Currently I don't have a "provider's smtp". > > Your internet service provider does not provide you with email? > > Who is your provider. Hmm. Seems pretty arrogant to assume that one has a permanent isp, along with all the little perks that go with it. I spend roughly 70% of my time on the road (or at sea), and find it much easier to simply hook a copy of my sent message into the directory I ѕent it from, when I'm using gmail. Batch download, procmail later, using bogo filter to train the database on spam. For private communication, I use something else entirely. 'The provider's smtp' does not always apply, and in my case is entirely irrelevant. -- Dave signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On 2009-02-28, Carlos Pita wrote: >> > folder-hook . 'set record=^' >> >> One thing that is interesting about the Gmail IMAP server is >> that a message can exist in multiple folders at the same time. >> This is actually a pretty powerful concept. In reality there's >> a database with a single copy of each message, and IMAP > > That's true in general but I've confirmed that the hook above > effectively creates two copies. If I enter gmail web interface, trash > the copy at Sent Mail, then go to Thrash and permanently remove this > trashed copy, the one at the original label where I've replied > still exists by its own. > >> "[Gmail]/Sent Mail", so if you want to keep things consistent, >> you should configure that as your "record" folder in mutt. > > No. If you want to play fair with gmail you have to set copy = no, and > then the record folder becomes irrelevant. That is because they > automatically save outgoing mails into [Gmail]/Sent Mail, no matter if > they're send from the web interface or via their smtp server. > > They even give this guideline at their site: > > https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=78892&topic=12815 Ah. Good point. I forgot about that (I don't use their SMTP server). --
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* Carlos Pita [01-01-70 12:34]: > > Currently I don't have a "provider's smtp". Your internet service provider does not provide you with email? Who is your provider. > -Carlos ps: your sig should begin with , the characters not the words. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org
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I use an additional gmail account. Suppose I use a...@gmail to subscribe to a list. I then set at a...@gmai web interface to cc all emails to b...@gmail. When posting to the list, I bcc to b...@gmail. Use imap of b...@gmail to read list emails which contains all emails sending from/to a...@gmail. -- regards, GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 唐詩150 劉禹錫 蜀先主廟 天地英雄氣 千秋尚凜然 勢分三足鼎 業復五銖錢 得相能開國 生兒不象賢 淒涼蜀故妓 來舞魏宮前
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> > folder-hook . 'set record=^' > > One thing that is interesting about the Gmail IMAP server is > that a message can exist in multiple folders at the same time. > This is actually a pretty powerful concept. In reality there's > a database with a single copy of each message, and IMAP That's true in general but I've confirmed that the hook above effectively creates two copies. If I enter gmail web interface, trash the copy at Sent Mail, then go to Thrash and permanently remove this trashed copy, the one at the original label where I've replied still exists by its own. > "[Gmail]/Sent Mail", so if you want to keep things consistent, > you should configure that as your "record" folder in mutt. No. If you want to play fair with gmail you have to set copy = no, and then the record folder becomes irrelevant. That is because they automatically save outgoing mails into [Gmail]/Sent Mail, no matter if they're send from the web interface or via their smtp server. They even give this guideline at their site: https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=78892&topic=12815 Best regards -Carlos
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Hi Patrick, > Then you have not considered/read my post which you fully quoted, Yes, I had read it before I posted my reply. Thank you very much for the suggestion. Currently I don't have a "provider's smtp". And I find my problem a minor annoyance, not worth switching to another smtp server. That I don't find your solution appealing doesn't mean that I consider it stupid or that I haven't read it at all. I'm sincerely surprised by your reaction. This kind of discussion doesn't mean to be personal. > Tell me if I am wasting my time! This decision is entirely up to you. Best regards -Carlos
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On 2009-02-27, Kyle Wheeler wrote: > > On Friday, February 27 at 06:08 PM, quoth Carlos Pita: >> I don't think this is supported but I'm going to ask it anyway. I >> would like to see my replies intercalated in threads. > > That's the way *my* email works. :) > >> I use gmail imap server, > > Ew... Well, you may be out of luck there, I don't know. There's nothing particularly odd about the Gmail IMAP server (in some ways it's less "weird" than the courier one). > The trick is that your replies must be stored in the same folder as > the messages you're replying to. > > One way of doing this (on a NORMAL mail server) is to change the value > of $record: > > folder-hook . 'set record=^' > > That will assure that the value of $record is whatever folder you're > currently in. You can be more intelligent about it based on replies to > lists or whatever... but that should work for you (it works for me!). That will work fine with the Gmail imap server. > Of course, that then means that sent messages are NOT stored > in a centralized "sent" folder. If this is important to you... > then you may be in trouble. I prefer to keep them in the folder with the messag to which they're replying >> At least, is it a way to quickly open a mail referenced by the >> in-reply-to header? > > Not if it's in a different folder. One thing that is interesting about the Gmail IMAP server is that a message can exist in multiple folders at the same time. This is actually a pretty powerful concept. In reality there's a database with a single copy of each message, and IMAP "folders" are almost exactly analogous to Unix directories which contain links to i-nodes: there's only one copy of the file, and it's associated with a single i-node, but you can have as many links to that i-node from as many directories as you want. So, maybe you could add some sort of hook to save outbound mail in the sent mail folder and also copy it to the ^ folder. Mail sent via the web interface gets copied into a folder named "[Gmail]/Sent Mail", so if you want to keep things consistent, you should configure that as your "record" folder in mutt. I thought about suggesting a patch to make "record" accept a list of multiple folders, but if mutt uploads the outgoing message twice (to two different folders), then you _do_ end up with two separate, identical messages on the Gmail server. That isn't what you want if you sometimes use the web interface. If you want to do things "right", you need to upload the outbound message _once_ to an IMAP folder, and then use IMAP's COPY command to create a link to the message from the second folder. [The "link from a folder to a message" I'm talking about is what Gmail calls a "label".] -- Grant
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* Carlos Pita [02-28-09 08:31]: > I configured Kyle's hook, which does a nice job, and will periodically > enter gmail webmail and empty their Sent Mail label in a manual fashion. > I can't see how to configure a filter at their site to drop all sent > mail. As soon as it arrives the email seems not to be even labeled, so a > condition like label:Sent Mail won't match. And afaik you can't schedule a > filter to run periodically. Alternatively imapfilter or a combination of > offlineimap+procmail could automate the job of removing unneeded sent > copies, but I don't thinks it's worth the effort. Any enlightened ideas? > > Best regards > -Carlos > > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 05:01:26PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > * Carlos Pita [01-01-70 12:34]: > > > > > > I don't think this is supported but I'm going to ask it anyway. I would > > > like to see my replies intercalated in threads. I use gmail imap server, > > > and sent emails are correctly stored under "[Gmail]/Sent Mail" (this is > > > the default gmail imap server behavior, no extra config is required, > > > except that I set copy=no to avoid duplicated copies). "[Gmail]/Sent > > > Mail" is a huge non-archivable (in the gmail sense) folder, which makes > > > things even worse when I pretend to follow the natural flow of a thread > > > without distractions. > > > > > > > Then you will need to change the way you *send* mail. I see on my > > system exactly what you are wanting, but I *only* use gmail to > > *receive* mail, not send. I use my provider to send and include a > > gmail "from" address. This way you get gmail's storage and spam > > filtering and see your own posts. > > > > -- > > Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 > > http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 > > Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org > > Then you have not considered/read my post which you fully quoted, including the sig? Tell me if I am wasting my time! Use your provider's smtp with a gmail return address, ie: send your mail via your providers facility and use carlosjosep...@gmail.com as the "From:" address. Read/retrieve your email from gmail.com. Your posts will be visible. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org
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I configured Kyle's hook, which does a nice job, and will periodically enter gmail webmail and empty their Sent Mail label in a manual fashion. I can't see how to configure a filter at their site to drop all sent mail. As soon as it arrives the email seems not to be even labeled, so a condition like label:Sent Mail won't match. And afaik you can't schedule a filter to run periodically. Alternatively imapfilter or a combination of offlineimap+procmail could automate the job of removing unneeded sent copies, but I don't thinks it's worth the effort. Any enlightened ideas? Best regards -Carlos On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 05:01:26PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Carlos Pita [01-01-70 12:34]: > > > > I don't think this is supported but I'm going to ask it anyway. I would > > like to see my replies intercalated in threads. I use gmail imap server, > > and sent emails are correctly stored under "[Gmail]/Sent Mail" (this is > > the default gmail imap server behavior, no extra config is required, > > except that I set copy=no to avoid duplicated copies). "[Gmail]/Sent > > Mail" is a huge non-archivable (in the gmail sense) folder, which makes > > things even worse when I pretend to follow the natural flow of a thread > > without distractions. > > > > Then you will need to change the way you *send* mail. I see on my > system exactly what you are wanting, but I *only* use gmail to > *receive* mail, not send. I use my provider to send and include a > gmail "from" address. This way you get gmail's storage and spam > filtering and see your own posts. > > -- > Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 > http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 > Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org >
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On 27-02, Kyle Wheeler wrote: > On Friday, February 27 at 06:08 PM, quoth Carlos Pita: > > I don't think this is supported but I'm going to ask it anyway. I > > would like to see my replies intercalated in threads. > > That's the way *my* email works. :) > > > I use gmail imap server, > > Ew... Well, you may be out of luck there, I don't know. > > The trick is that your replies must be stored in the same folder as > the messages you're replying to. > > One way of doing this (on a NORMAL mail server) is to change the value > of $record: > > folder-hook . 'set record=^' > > That will assure that the value of $record is whatever folder you're > currently in. You can be more intelligent about it based on replies to > lists or whatever... but that should work for you (it works for me!). > > Of course, that then means that sent messages are NOT stored in a > centralized "sent" folder. If this is important to you... then you may > be in trouble. > > > At least, is it a way to quickly open a mail referenced by the > > in-reply-to header? > > Not if it's in a different folder. > > ~Kyle I use the "metoo" option but that results in another copy. Ralf
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* Carlos Pita [01-01-70 12:34]: > > I don't think this is supported but I'm going to ask it anyway. I would > like to see my replies intercalated in threads. I use gmail imap server, > and sent emails are correctly stored under "[Gmail]/Sent Mail" (this is > the default gmail imap server behavior, no extra config is required, > except that I set copy=no to avoid duplicated copies). "[Gmail]/Sent > Mail" is a huge non-archivable (in the gmail sense) folder, which makes > things even worse when I pretend to follow the natural flow of a thread > without distractions. > Then you will need to change the way you *send* mail. I see on my system exactly what you are wanting, but I *only* use gmail to *receive* mail, not send. I use my provider to send and include a gmail "from" address. This way you get gmail's storage and spam filtering and see your own posts. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, February 27 at 06:08 PM, quoth Carlos Pita: > I don't think this is supported but I'm going to ask it anyway. I > would like to see my replies intercalated in threads. That's the way *my* email works. :) > I use gmail imap server, Ew... Well, you may be out of luck there, I don't know. The trick is that your replies must be stored in the same folder as the messages you're replying to. One way of doing this (on a NORMAL mail server) is to change the value of $record: folder-hook . 'set record=^' That will assure that the value of $record is whatever folder you're currently in. You can be more intelligent about it based on replies to lists or whatever... but that should work for you (it works for me!). Of course, that then means that sent messages are NOT stored in a centralized "sent" folder. If this is important to you... then you may be in trouble. > At least, is it a way to quickly open a mail referenced by the > in-reply-to header? Not if it's in a different folder. ~Kyle - -- Idealism increases in direct proportion to one's distance from the problem. -- John Galsworthy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Thank you for using encryption! iEYEARECAAYFAkmoVIQACgkQBkIOoMqOI16mKQCeJxcwGGMJP95iM3W9wX++SN8r ynQAn1h97vgsA52Tl/0/z/pzt09gpCsF =QpBx -END PGP SIGNATURE-
