Re: absolute newbie...
On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 11:03:08PM -0400, David T-G wrote: If you're happily using mutt and you aren't seeing new messages suddenly being listed in the index, then perhaps fetchmail is delivering to a different mailbox (maybe it's delivering to /var/spool/mail/$user but you're looking at $HOME/Mail/INBOX or some such). Hey, that's EXACTLY what happens to me, and the thing I'm trying to fix. How might I go about changing this so that Fetchmail sends my messages to somewhere Mutt can find them easily? I preferred it when I had Mutt looking for my mail in /home/$USER/Mail/inbox but Fetchmail seems to want to put some in /var/spool/mail/$USER (from one POP3 server) and lose other mail (from another server.) Someone told me to ask this Q on a Fetchmail list, but it seems relevant here too! Anyone..? ---end quoted text---
Re: absolute newbie...
Richard Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, 22 May 2000: Hey, that's EXACTLY what happens to me, and the thing I'm trying to fix. How might I go about changing this so that Fetchmail sends my messages to somewhere Mutt can find them easily? Still off-topic, but okay... fetchmail delivers by default (I think) emails via the local SMTP daemon. Usually sendmail unless you've changed it or your system happens to use something else (Debian). So, the delivery happens to wherever your local sendmail puts them. If you don't like the location where they're going to, you have two options: 1) investigate the delivery options of sendmail (common thing to do is to call procmail from .forward and let procmail do the delivery) 2) tell fetchmail not to deliver mails via SMTP but rather use some program as the delivery agent (eg. procmail again, or some other program that puts them just into a named folder) The details on these things are explained in the fetchmail, procmail and possibly sendmail documentation. I preferred it when I had Mutt looking for my mail in /home/$USER/Mail/inbox but Fetchmail seems to want to put some in /var/spool/mail/$USER (from one POP3 server) and lose other mail (from another server.) Someone told me to ask this Q on a Fetchmail list, but it seems relevant here too! Well, Mutt can (and will) look for messages anywhere you tell it to... That's not really a problem. Just set up your $spoolfile appropriately, or better, set the MAIL environment variable. Or, if you have more than one incoming email folder (eg. mail filtering, or more than one account, each getting delivered to their own folder), then you can list the folders with the mailboxes command. Telling Mutt where the incoming mail folder is, is a Mutt-question. Configuring your system so that incoming mail is placed where you want is not Mutt-specific (unless you use Mutt's own limited pop functions). Regards, Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy scifi, the Corrs / *** WANRING -- this signature quote is spellt wrong. ***
Re: absolute newbie...
On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 07:44:58PM +0100, Manuel Arriaga wrote: I believe I configured postfix correctly, but now I haven't got *a clue* on how to use mutt. And I did try to read the provided manual and the man page for mutt, but they don't seem to cover the basics... can anyone point me to some sort of tutorial which will teach me the very basics of mutt? How can I, for example send an email? Is there any special configuration necessary before doing so? I pressed "m" and then typed an address, then a subject line, and then got an "message aborted" error message... I thought that was due to the fact that I hadn't defined an editor, so I declared (at the bash prompt) http://www.mutt.org/ -- there's a documentation link staring you in the face =) -- __ _ __ _ Justin Megawarne [ Solitude ] Tel: +44 (0)20 8863 0718 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cel: +44 (0)7941 270 136 http://kholmes.dhis.net/ irc.destructor.net irc.xchat.org - #Linux
Re: absolute newbie...
I'm sorry. It came from me. I have my mail forwarded through several machines
and there was a bug in configuration on one of these.
But shouldn't it been filtered somewhere?
Anyway I'm not sure how the message came to ss1000... I must double check what
happens when a mail is sent to me.
I got a bizarre error from trying to do a reply to all to you and the
mutt user group. The message follows:
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun May 21 15:18:32 2000
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 126
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:12:16 +0200
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The original message was received at Sun, 21 May 2000 21:12:12 +0200
from [EMAIL PROTECTED] [195.113.19.221]
- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
"|exec /big/bin/awk ' { print "/misc/home/msuc8339/file.dmp" } '"
(expanded from: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
- Transcript of session follows -
sh: /big/bin/awk: No such file or directory
sh: exec: /big/bin/awk: cannot execute: No such file or directory
554 "|exec /big/bin/awk ' { print "/misc/home/msuc8339/file.dmp" } '"...
unknown
+mailer error 126
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Re: absolute newbie...
Hello, Manuel Arriaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Sun, 21 May 2000: How can I, for example send an email? Is there any special configuration necessary before doing so? Well, not really. Mutt needs these things (that I can think of): /usr/bin/sendmail (or something like that), for sending the email -- ie. the MTA must be properly configured. If you can send email with Postfix, then you should be set, the installation probably takes care of adding a symlink named /usr/bin/sendmail (or something close to that) An editor... And that's about it. I pressed "m" and then typed an address, then a subject line, and then got an "message aborted" error message... I thought that was due to the fact that I hadn't defined an editor, so I declared (at the bash prompt) That could be it, yes. Likely Mutt tried to run the editor (or found there was no editor defined), and then the message file had been edited, so it aborted the message sending. VISUAL=emacs EDITOR=emacs but mutt still aborted after inputing the message's subject line. Any tips? Well, you may still need to do "export VISUAL" and "export EDITOR", before programs which you start from the shell will see those variables. Or should I try a simpler email client? Is the latest version of elm any easier to use? That's arguable, however if you have problems with your editor setting them elm won't work any better. :-) Pine would work since it has its own internal editor... You can see what Mutt thinks your editor is by typing this in Mutt: :set ?editorENTER ... where ENTER is of course the enter keypress. If you're having still problems after you've made sure the editor is defined correctly, you can write back to the list and maybe we can help you further. :-) Unfortunately I don't know of a complete newbie's Mutt manual, so I can't point you toward one. Regards, Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy scifi, the Corrs / Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.
Re: absolute newbie...
* Manuel Arriaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000521 14:55]: |Hi everyone, | |I am trying to send /receive emails from the console, so I went for (and |installed) mutt 1.2 and postfix. | you can change your editor to anything you want, emacs is a bit bloated. I like Jove -- lighter than emacs or jed. Many people prefer vi(m), though. For a good tutorial/manual, check out: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/ -Emily
Re: absolute newbie...
Hi! On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 07:44:58PM +0100, Manuel Arriaga wrote: I believe I configured postfix correctly, but now I haven't got *a clue* on how to use mutt. And I did try to read the provided manual and the man page for mutt, but they don't seem to cover the basics... can anyone point me to some sort of tutorial which will teach me the very basics of mutt? How can I, for example send an email? Is there any special configuration necessary before doing so? I pressed "m" and then typed an address, then a subject line, and then got an "message aborted" error message... I thought that was due to the fact that I hadn't defined an editor, so I declared (at the bash prompt) VISUAL=emacs EDITOR=emacs These environment are required to be exported from the shell to get seen by mutt, so add export VISUAL EDITOR Alternatively you can set the editor variable in your .muttrc file. Or should I try a simpler email client? Is the latest version of elm any easier to use? Elm has a nice alias editor mutt doesn't have, I see nothing else important which makes elm easier to use. A few short tips: - some want to do "set move=no" in the .muttrc, which keeps all mail in the incoming mailbox when exiting mutt - A detailed listing of the commands available in a specific menu can be displayed with the '?' key - The "muttrc" manual page gives an overview of mutt's configuration options - Read the manual again, I really hope it isn't that bad, although it certainly could be improved. Gero
Re: absolute newbie...
Hi Emily, Mikko and Gero, Thank you all for your replies. This first problem is over! :-) The "export VISUAL" and "export EDITOR" command lines did the trick, and I got to edit the message. Then I closed emacs (I still haven't found a place I can download jove from, but I will try it out, Emily,thanks), the file was saved in /temp/mutt... , and, back in mutt, I tiped "y" for sending it BUT... :-( I got a "error sending message, child exited 127 (exec error)" I guess this means that my postfix install isn't that kosher after all, right? this doesn't seem to have anything to do with mutt itself; am I right? Thank you all, once again. And about the slackare-user with problems: it sure is reassuring to know I am not the only lost would-be-mutt-user! :-) Cheers, Manuel
Re: absolute newbie...
* Manuel Arriaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000521 16:03]:
|Hi Emily, Mikko and Gero,
|
|I guess this means that my postfix install isn't that kosher after all,
|right? this doesn't seem to have anything to do with mutt itself; am I
|right?
|
This is not from an official site, but Jove hasn't been updated in a long long
time -- so I just put it into some of my webspace:
http://www.ubermachine.com/jove-16a.tar.gz
just cd to / and unpack it -- it is a binary. nb: it can act funny on RH
machines -- something with termcap, I think. Just hit ctrl-l to repaint if it
does.
I got a bizarre error from trying to do a reply to all to you and the
mutt user group. The message follows:
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun May 21 15:18:32 2000
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 126
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:12:16 +0200
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[-- Attachment #1 --]
[-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.6K --]
The original message was received at Sun, 21 May 2000 21:12:12 +0200
from [EMAIL PROTECTED] [195.113.19.221]
- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
"|exec /big/bin/awk ' { print "/misc/home/msuc8339/file.dmp" } '"
(expanded from: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
- Transcript of session follows -
sh: /big/bin/awk: No such file or directory
sh: exec: /big/bin/awk: cannot execute: No such file or directory
554 "|exec /big/bin/awk ' { print "/misc/home/msuc8339/file.dmp" } '"...
unknown
+mailer error 126
Re: absolute newbie...
On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 07:44:58PM +0100, Manuel Arriaga wrote: - Hi everyone, - - I am trying to send /receive emails from the console, so I went for (and - installed) mutt 1.2 and postfix. - - I believe I configured postfix correctly, but now I haven't got *a clue* - on how to use mutt. And I did try to read the provided manual and the - man page for mutt, but they don't seem to cover the basics... can anyone - point me to some sort of tutorial which will teach me the very basics of - mutt? How can I, for example send an email? Is there any special - configuration necessary before doing so? I pressed "m" and then typed an - address, then a subject line, and then got an "message aborted" error - message... I thought that was due to the fact that I hadn't defined an - editor, so I declared (at the bash prompt) - - VISUAL=emacs - EDITOR=emacs One suggestion: Leave a copy of emacs running at all times, and use "EDITOR=emacsclient" instead. It brings up your editor much faster. That is how RMS and other emacs gurus do it. Also, I would change it to "export EDITOR=emacsclient" so that daughter processes -- like mutt -- will see the variables. - - but mutt still aborted after inputing the message's subject line. Any - tips? - - Or should I try a simpler email client? Is the latest version of elm any - easier to use? - - Thank you for your attention. - - Best regards, - - Manuel -- -- C^2 No windows were crashed in the making of this email. Looking for fine software and/or web pages? http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley
Re: absolute newbie...
Hi Emily/all, I just noticed that the 4 highly enthusiastic emails I sent to this list didn't make it to your mailboxes, because postfix is sending my email with the wrong domain name, so the list daemon just blocks my messages... :-( Anyway, I would like to know whether it is possible to have mutt display any new messages that fetchmail retrieved automatically since mutt was started (e.g., mutt has been running for 15 minutes now, and fetchmail retrieves any new messages from my ISP every 10 minutes; must I restart mutt?)... And one last question: when inside of mutt, I compose a message and press "y" for sending it, the minibuffer reads "mail sent", because the message has been put on the queue; but is it possible to have the mail dispatched once put in the queue, i.e., before I exit mutt? Thank you for any tips and sorry if I am leaving any replies unanswered, but, as I said, my last emails weren't sent correctly. :-( Bye, Manuel
Re: absolute newbie...
Emily Slocombe: I got a bizarre error from trying to do a reply to all to you and the mutt user group. The message follows: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun May 21 15:18:32 2000 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED] me too. same error message. -- clemens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: absolute newbie...
Resync $ But how do I give that command? -Manuel
Re: absolute newbie...
Emily Slocombe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Sun, 21 May 2000:
I got a bizarre error from trying to do a reply to all to you and the
mutt user group. The message follows:
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun May 21 15:18:32 2000
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...
- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
"|exec /big/bin/awk ' { print "/misc/home/msuc8339/file.dmp" } '"
(expanded from: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Ignore these messages, it's a subscriber whose email address has stopped
working, but the mail server has been configured in a brain-dead manner
and it's responding to the From address instead of the envelope sender
(the list owner address). Thus, the error message goes back to the
sender of such emails.
Hopefully the address can be unsubscribed soon from the list...
(See, that's one way to get unsubscribed from the list without
warning...)
Regards,
Mikko
--
// Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/
// The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator /
// Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy scifi, the Corrs /
2 + 2 = 4 (for the time being)
Re: absolute newbie...
Manuel Arriaga: Anyway, I would like to know whether it is possible to have mutt display any new messages that fetchmail retrieved automatically since mutt was yes. read the manual. you can specify the intervals for mutt to look for new mail. also, whenever you say '$' to resynchronize, new mess will appear. message has been put on the queue; but is it possible to have the mail dispatched once put in the queue, i.e., before I exit mutt? send an alarm signal to the qmail-send process: it will immediately work the queue. -- clemens [EMAIL PROTECTED] do D4685B884894C483
Re: absolute newbie...
Manuel Arriaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Sun, 21 May 2000: I just noticed that the 4 highly enthusiastic emails I sent to this list didn't make it to your mailboxes, because postfix is sending my email with the wrong domain name, so the list daemon just blocks my messages... :-( Well, at least one or two were just waiting for approval from the list admin... And one last question: when inside of mutt, I compose a message and press "y" for sending it, the minibuffer reads "mail sent", because the message has been put on the queue; but is it possible to have the mail dispatched once put in the queue, i.e., before I exit mutt? You can customize the command that Mutt runs when sending email by changing the value of the $sendmail variable. Instead of calling sendmail (or the MTA, Postfix in your case), this could be a custom-created shell script that first calls sendmail (or equivalent) and then runs whatever commands you want to happen. If you're not comfortable with creating shell scripts, you may want to wait a little while before taking that path. Or you could try to make this your first shell script (however that's out of scope for this list...), if you don't mind potentially losing a few sent emails while you're learning. :-) Regards, Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy scifi, the Corrs / Red meat isn't bad for you. Fuzzy blue-green meat is bad for you.
Re: absolute newbie...
Manuel clemens -- ...and then clemensF said... % Manuel Arriaga: % % Anyway, I would like to know whether it is possible to have mutt display % any new messages that fetchmail retrieved automatically since mutt was % % yes. read the manual. you can specify the intervals for mutt to look for % new mail. also, whenever you say '$' to resynchronize, new mess will % appear. More reading for you, clemens :-) In fact, mutt will wait at most $timeout seconds to check for new mail, but will also check when you press any keys. So even moving the cursor from one message to another is enough to get mutt to check for new mail and update the index if need be. If you're happily using mutt and you aren't seeing new messages suddenly being listed in the index, then perhaps fetchmail is delivering to a different mailbox (maybe it's delivering to /var/spool/mail/$user but you're looking at $HOME/Mail/INBOX or some such). HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The "new millennium" starts at the beginning of 2001. There was no year 0. Note: If bigfoot.com gives you fits, try sector13.org in its place. *sigh* PGP signature
Re: absolute newbie...
Actually, one of the people subscribed to this list has a broken procmailrc or a full mailbox. His MTA is returning bounces for every post from mutt-users that tries to reach him. clemensF proclaimed on mutt-users that: Emily Slocombe: I got a bizarre error from trying to do a reply to all to you and the mutt user group. The message follows: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun May 21 15:18:32 2000 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED] me too. same error message. -- clemens [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Suresh Ramasubramanian | sureshr at staff.juno.com Never commit yourself! Let someone else commit you.
