Re: Wish about mutt's file browser
John, et al -- ...and then John Buttery said... % ... % Anyway, without getting into a technical discussion about locale % settings and GNU ls...if you want ls to sort stuff the old way, put % this into your shell startup file: How about, still without getting into a technical discussion, a pointer to where to learn about how to play with LC_COLLATE to make ls do different things? I'm interested in how to have directories at the top, just for fun, and how to ignore case in particular. % ... % patch someone suggested a few posts back in the message % [EMAIL PROTECTED], that should make mutt % collate the same way. I haven't read up on this, in case this is the only way to put dirs together at the top. I'd love it if it weren't. TIA HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg24220/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Wish about mutt's file browser
On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 06:58:10AM -0500, David T-G wrote: John, et al -- ...and then John Buttery said... % ... % Anyway, without getting into a technical discussion about locale % settings and GNU ls...if you want ls to sort stuff the old way, put % this into your shell startup file: How about, still without getting into a technical discussion, a pointer to where to learn about how to play with LC_COLLATE to make ls do different things? I'm interested in how to have directories at the top, just for fun, and how to ignore case in particular. There is WAY more information than any sane person would ever want to see about locale environment variables (which makes it the perfect fit for this group *grin*) at this URL: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/7908799/xbd/locale.html You'll probably want to scroll down to the section on LC_COLLATE; all the LC_* environment variables are examined in painstaking detail there. -- John Buttery You know, when I was in the Boy Scouts they told us the best way to get warm was to get naked, and get in a sleeping bag with someone else who was already naked. Well, maybe you'll get lucky and it'll start raining sleeping bags. X-Files (Web page temporarily unavailable) uncolor body/header/subliminalmessage
Re: Wish about mutt's file browser
John -- ...and then John Buttery said... % % On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 06:58:10AM -0500, David T-G wrote: % ... % where to learn about how to play with LC_COLLATE to make ls do different ... % % There is WAY more information than any sane person would ever want % to see about locale environment variables (which makes it the perfect % fit for this group *grin*) at this URL: *grin* indeed. % % http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/7908799/xbd/locale.html Cool; thanks! % % You'll probably want to scroll down to the section on LC_COLLATE; all % the LC_* environment variables are examined in painstaking detail there. Oh, goodie :-) :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg24227/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Re: Wish about mutt's file browser
Hi, Justin, I wish I could find any diagnostic tool for my KDE of Mandrake 8.1. It does have some problems, like the damn small and vague fonts. It hangs w/o apparent reason from time to time. You use XKill to kill a window on strike, then the whole desktop gets on strike. I don't think it's more stable than MS windows. :-) Though for sure, its kernel is more robust that I can still telnet and login from another machine to reboot it. The bad thing is that the current KDE is not like what I learned from Running Linux. Now I don't really trust the gui configuration tool, which doesn't look doing the right job, changes files under the surface that I have no chance to backup, verify or restore. I need some right documents about KDE so that I can handle and improve the situation. It's not yet time to enjoy. :-) best regards, charlie On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 11:56:01AM -0500, Justin R. Miller wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Said Charles Jie on Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 12:46:17AM +0800: 1. The file manager Konqueror is not mature (crash so oftern) If it crashes, then your setup has issues. It has been stable for years... even for opening big directories like /dev.
Re: Wish about mutt's file browser
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 12:46:17AM +0800, Charles Jie wrote: Now let's see linux (for me, Mandrake 8.1): 2. The 'ls' don't group directories/files into two part. - If you code something to achieve it, you lose the COLORs. *3. Mutt's file browser - also mix up directories and files, which hurts eyes. - We also want an option to IGNORE the cases of file/folder names in sorting. - any patch can help? File system is everything. If we can not deal with it smoothly, life is tough. best regards, charlie That is true, if you can't interact with the filesystem, life is tough. Actually, things were sorted the way you're referring to until recently. The issue you're referring to isn't a Mandrake issue, it's a GNU issue...with the new version of GNU ls, they are finally observing the locale settings that they were supposed to be observing from the beginning. :) Anyway, without getting into a technical discussion about locale settings and GNU ls...if you want ls to sort stuff the old way, put this into your shell startup file: ~/.cshrc (csh) or ~/.tcshrc (tcsh): setenv LC_COLLATE posix ~/.profile (sh) or ~/.bashrc (bash) or ~/.zprofile (zsh) export LC_COLLATE=posix That will fix things with ls, and then if you combine that with the patch someone suggested a few posts back in the message [EMAIL PROTECTED], that should make mutt collate the same way. klaxonNote to people who have LC_ALL set/klaxon: In case someone else tries this; LC_ALL is not a default variable, it's an override variable. You must unset it before any of the sub LC_* variables will have an effect. All of this talk of piping ls to sort, or aliasing it to find, is giving me twitches. :) -- John Buttery Man, that Shaft is a bad mutha... Shut yo' mouth! I'm just talkin' 'bout Shaft... (Web page temporarily unavailable) psst...uncolor (body|header)... pretty please? :)
Wish about mutt's file browser
There do be something I miss since I moved from MS-windows to linux - the file manager. (But I mean the old style one instead of the web-style.) Its features: . A directory tree at left side - very easy to trace down a branch . A listing of directory content at right side, while - A list of sorted folders come first - A list of sorted files follow. . You can click any title (Name, Ext, Size, Date...) to sort them - But folders and files are always put separated - that's a good practice And the pop-up dialog for file selection is pretty convenient: . A 'back' button allows you to go up one level of directory . A 'new' button allows you to create new directory . A file (or folder) name template - copy the file name you select so that you can edit it. Now let's see linux (for me, Mandrake 8.1): 1. The file manager Konqueror is not mature (crash so oftern) 2. The 'ls' don't group directories/files into two part. - If you code something to achieve it, you lose the COLORs. *3. Mutt's file browser - also mix up directories and files, which hurts eyes. - We also want an option to IGNORE the cases of file/folder names in sorting. - any patch can help? File system is everything. If we can not deal with it smoothly, life is tough. best regards, charlie
Re: Wish about mutt's file browser
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 12:46:17AM +0800, Charles Jie wrote: 2. The 'ls' don't group directories/files into two part. - If you code something to achieve it, you lose the COLORs. Try typing this and see if it does what you want: ls -d `find * -type d -maxdepth 0`; ls `find * -type f -maxdepth 0` You could put this in your .bashrc (or equivalent file): alias dir=ls -d `find * -type d -maxdepth 0`; ls `find * -type f -maxdepth 0` and then just type dir and you will see the directories, followed by the files, and it's sorted and has color. Warning: It might not work right for directories that have a huge number of files due to limits in argument list length.
Re: Wish about mutt's file browser
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 12:46:17AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There do be something I miss since I moved from MS-windows to linux - the file manager. (But I mean the old style one instead of the web-style.) [snip] There are loads of X and text-based file managers around. I'm an xterm junkie myself, but lots of people like Midnight Commander (mc). Otherwise, do some web searches for file manager, perhaps on www.google.com/linux. You'll probably find one that you like. HTH... -- David Smith Tel: +44 (0)1454 462380 (direct) STMicroelectronicsFax: +44 (0)1454 617910 1000 Aztec WestTINA (ST only): (065) 2380 Almondsbury Home: 01454 616963 BRISTOLMobile: 07932 642724 BS32 4SQ Work Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Re: Wish about mutt's file browser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Said Charles Jie on Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 12:46:17AM +0800: 1. The file manager Konqueror is not mature (crash so oftern) If it crashes, then your setup has issues. It has been stable for years... even for opening big directories like /dev. - -- [!] Justin R. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP 0xC9C40C31 -=- http://codesorcery.net http://drcnet.org/wol/222.html#superbowlads -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Xr0h94d6K8nEDDERAgBkAJ96JcNL3Hf1TxQsr/Fg/rzlRgkkMwCfUGrT cs0owLSH4d+18SmhF8Smuos= =Qoaa -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [OT] Re: Wish about mutt's file browser
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Justin R. Miller wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Said Charles Jie on Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 12:46:17AM +0800: 1. The file manager Konqueror is not mature (crash so oftern) If it crashes, then your setup has issues. It has been stable for years... even for opening big directories like /dev. which reminds me of a case where I was helping someone fix a problem with his email (in 1988 on an Apollo). My directory editor didn't much like that he had 1185 files in his home directory (it was increasing the file-array by one for each realloc - making it perform badly). -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: Wish about mutt's file browser
On 2002.02.04, in [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Charles Jie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- If you code something to achieve it, you lose the COLORs.
But losing the colors is a *good thing*. :) color_ls hurts my eyes.
Ouch.
*3. Mutt's file browser - also mix up directories and files, which hurts
eyes.
- We also want an option to IGNORE the cases of file/folder names in
sorting.
- any patch can help?
Here's a simple patch that makes the browser's string collation sort
according to the user's locale. (It just defines a mutt_strcoll() and
makes the browser's string collator use it instead of strcmp().)
This will probably do what you want, and it's probably the right thing
for mutt to do here, IMO.
Patch is against mut 1.3.27 but probably applies nicely on many
versions, since it affects relatively stable code.
--
-D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago
Colons and slashes and dots, oh my!
diff -Pur mutt-1.3.27-base/browser.c mutt-1.3.27/browser.c
--- mutt-1.3.27-base/browser.c Tue Dec 18 09:12:48 2001
+++ mutt-1.3.27/browser.c Mon Feb 4 11:49:24 2002
@@ -75,7 +75,7 @@
struct folder_file *pa = (struct folder_file *) a;
struct folder_file *pb = (struct folder_file *) b;
- int r = mutt_strcmp (pa-name, pb-name);
+ int r = mutt_strcoll (pa-name, pb-name);
return ((BrowserSort SORT_REVERSE) ? -r : r);
}
diff -Pur mutt-1.3.27-base/lib.c mutt-1.3.27/lib.c
--- mutt-1.3.27-base/lib.c Mon Feb 12 04:30:08 2001
+++ mutt-1.3.27/lib.c Mon Feb 4 11:49:24 2002
@@ -584,6 +584,11 @@
return a ? strlen (a) : 0;
}
+int mutt_strcoll(const char *a, const char *b)
+{
+ return strcoll(NONULL(a), NONULL(b));
+}
+
const char *mutt_stristr (const char *haystack, const char *needle)
{
const char *p, *q;
diff -Pur mutt-1.3.27-base/lib.h mutt-1.3.27/lib.h
--- mutt-1.3.27-base/lib.h Thu Jun 7 15:00:05 2001
+++ mutt-1.3.27/lib.h Mon Feb 4 11:49:24 2002
@@ -107,6 +107,7 @@
int mutt_strcmp (const char *, const char *);
int mutt_strncasecmp (const char *, const char *, size_t);
int mutt_strncmp (const char *, const char *, size_t);
+int mutt_strcoll (const char *, const char *);
int safe_open (const char *, int);
int safe_symlink (const char *, const char *);
int safe_rename (const char *, const char *);
Re: Wish about mutt's file browser
Rob, et al -- ...and then Feztaa said... % % Alas! Philip Mak spake thus: % On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 12:46:17AM +0800, Charles Jie wrote: % 2. The 'ls' don't group directories/files into two part. % - If you code something to achieve it, you lose the COLORs. ... % ls -d `find * -type d -maxdepth 0`; ls `find * -type f -maxdepth 0` % % Why not just do 'ls -AlF|sort'? That way all lines showing a directory % will start with 'd', and all lines that are files will start with '-' That's true. Of course, you throw away the colors when you pipe the output, IIRC... % (also, character devices will start with 'c', block devices will start Right. % with 'b', and symlinks will start with 'l'). Then you get an alphabetic % listing, it automatically puts the directories first. No, you won't get that -- or at least not with the example above. You'd have to tell sort to sort on the first word and then on the 9th or 8th (depending on whether or not you show group by default), and meanwhile you have to figure out what to do with the total NN line that usually comes first. % % If you really don't like all that verbosity, you could tack on a sed % that only shows what you want to see. That, too. % % -- % Rob 'Feztaa' Park % [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg24200/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Wish about mutt's file browser
Alas! David T-G spake thus: % Why not just do 'ls -AlF|sort'? That way all lines showing a % directory will start with 'd', and all lines that are files will % start with '-' That's true. Of course, you throw away the colors when you pipe the output, IIRC... That's true, I suppose. % Then you get an alphabetic listing, it automatically puts the % directories first. No, you won't get that -- or at least not with the example above. You'd have to tell sort to sort on the first word and then on the 9th or 8th (depending on whether or not you show group by default), and meanwhile you have to figure out what to do with the total NN line that usually comes first. I guess I wasn't clear -- what I meant was, 'sort' will sort by the first letter alphabetically -- so all the lines starting with 'd', directories, will be before all the lines starting with '-', files. In other words, the alphabetic listing of the output puts the directories first just because that's how the alphabet works. The files themselves will be out of order. -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense. -- Tom Clancy msg24202/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Wish about mutt's file browser
Hi, Philip,
Thank you for your idea. This does keep the colors.
I rewrite it as:
function d()
{
x=`find * -type d -maxdepth 0`
[[ -n $x ]] l -d $x
x=`find * -type l -maxdepth 0`
[[ -n $x ]] l $x
x=`find * -type f -maxdepth 0`
[[ -n $x ]] l $x
unset x
}
to avoid redundant output while nothing *found*. It works fine w/o
delay.
* However, I wish mutt's file browser can also improve like this to make
our life easier. :-)
best regards,
charlie
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 11:53:58AM -0500, Philip Mak wrote:
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 12:46:17AM +0800, Charles Jie wrote:
2. The 'ls' don't group directories/files into two part.
- If you code something to achieve it, you lose the COLORs.
Try typing this and see if it does what you want:
ls -d `find * -type d -maxdepth 0`; ls `find * -type f -maxdepth 0`
You could put this in your .bashrc (or equivalent file):
alias dir=ls -d `find * -type d -maxdepth 0`; ls `find * -type f -maxdepth 0`
and then just type dir and you will see the directories, followed by
the files, and it's sorted and has color.
Warning: It might not work right for directories that have a huge
number of files due to limits in argument list length.
Re: Wish about mutt's file browser
Rob -- ...and then Feztaa said... % % Alas! David T-G spake thus: % % Why not just do 'ls -AlF|sort'? That way all lines showing a % % directory will start with 'd', and all lines that are files will % % start with '-' % % That's true. Of course, you throw away the colors when you pipe the % output, IIRC... % % That's true, I suppose. Yep. % % % Then you get an alphabetic listing, it automatically puts the % % directories first. % % No, you won't get that -- or at least not with the example above. % You'd have to tell sort to sort on the first word and then on the 9th % or 8th (depending on whether or not you show group by default), and % meanwhile you have to figure out what to do with the total NN % line that usually comes first. % % I guess I wasn't clear -- what I meant was, 'sort' will sort by the % first letter alphabetically -- so all the lines starting with 'd', That's true; it will, indeed. % directories, will be before all the lines starting with '-', files. Um, you'll be wanting to check that, too :-) % % In other words, the alphabetic listing of the output puts the % directories first just because that's how the alphabet works. The files Or second, even, but I get the point. % themselves will be out of order. Well, what good will that be?!? % % -- % Rob 'Feztaa' Park % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % -- % The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to % make sense. % -- Tom Clancy :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg24207/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
