Re: big mailbox v.s. rotated mailbox; thoughts
Rob -- ...and then Feztaa said... % % Alas! David T-G spake thus: % In fact, I often don't save the original message, but only my outbound % reply with his message quoted in it. I can follow the conversation well % enough iand save *some* disk space (yes, I already save a lot of mail, but % % This, from the man who has what? 11 years of archived mail? Or is it 12 % years now? :) Shut up. Just shut up. I said I try to be good! Happy New Year to all (except Rob) :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22155/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: big mailbox v.s. rotated mailbox; thoughts
Alas! David T-G spake thus: % In fact, I often don't save the original message, but only my outbound % reply with his message quoted in it. I can follow the conversation well % enough iand save *some* disk space (yes, I already save a lot of mail, but % % This, from the man who has what? 11 years of archived mail? Or is it 12 % years now? :) Shut up. Just shut up. I said I try to be good! Happy New Year to all (except Rob) Who pooped in your corn flakes? ;) -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I used to be convinced that MicroSquish shipped crap because they simply didn't give a flying fuck, as long as the sheep kept buying their shit. Now, I'm convinced that MicroSquish really does ship the best products they are capable of writing, and *that's* tragic. -- jcr msg22158/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: big mailbox v.s. rotated mailbox; thoughts
Alas! Rob 'Feztaa' Park spake thus: - It's useful to be able to search for every message a specific person has ever sent me. True, but I don't often need to look for old messages. In fact, I don't even know why I keep archives. ROFL :) Ah, I remember now. I don't like the way mutt handles new mail in my mboxes, so I set up a bunch of mbox hooks. That way I automatically know that any mbox that has a nonzero size contains new mail. And I just figured it'd be nice to have my old mail stored by date, instead of all in one huge file. -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love. -- Woody Allen, from 'Annie Hall', 1977 msg22085/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: big mailbox v.s. rotated mailbox; thoughts
I just had another thought: Might it make sense to store sent mail together with normal messages? A fundamental problem is that mutt's Search feature cannot search over multiple mailboxes. Thus, if I want to review a series of e-mails that I exchanged with someone about a specific topic, then it may be useful to be able to see both sides of the conversation. I'm thinking that it might make sense to keep only *new* mail in ~/Maildir/, though. For me, an e-mail message that I receive may represent something that I have to do (e.g. reply to the e-mail, do what the person in the e-mail told me to do, etc.). So, I could remove messages from my inbox only when I have done the action that is associated with that e-mail. This makes it less likely that I'll forget to do something (which has happened before; I can be quite forgetful at times). So perhaps: - New mail is sent to ~/Maildir/. - Messages that I have sent go to =old. - I save messages to =old when I'm done with them. - A daily cron job scans =old and moves 3-month-old messages into =archive.
Re: big mailbox v.s. rotated mailbox; thoughts
Alas! David T-G spake thus: In fact, I often don't save the original message, but only my outbound reply with his message quoted in it. I can follow the conversation well enough iand save *some* disk space (yes, I already save a lot of mail, but This, from the man who has what? 11 years of archived mail? Or is it 12 years now? :) one tries to be good :-) and some search time; if I quote little or none of the original, THEN I drop it into =username with its reply. -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\GO;C:\PC\CRAWL msg22142/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: big mailbox v.s. rotated mailbox; thoughts
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Re: big mailbox v.s. rotated mailbox; thoughts
On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 09:41:11PM +0100, Michael Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Donnerstag, 27. Dez. 2001 at 18:33:53, Thomas Hurst wrote: I have a script scan all my mailspools (I use mbox) and move anything older than a week to archive/year/mailbox/month-year-mailbox - this keeps my active mail easily to hand, and searching for older mail's as easy as I need it to be. I have for this a folder-hook. It looks like this: folder-hook =mutt-users$ 'push T~r2w!~F\n\;s' I have a similar folder-hook: folder-hook =(ntbugtraq|bugtraq|fbsd-de-questions|fbsd-security|fbsd-chat|fbsd-arch|fbsd-hackers|fbsd-stable|mutt(-devel)?|gnupg)$ push \tag-pattern~d2w\nuntag-pattern~F|~D|~O|~N\ntag-prefix-condsave-message\n\nsync-mailboxfirst-entrynext-newredraw-screen\ And also I have a save-hook for this: save-hook ~L mutt-users =Archiv/mutt-users-archiv I set the save-hooks in many folder-hooks. But the effect is similar. The only thing, which does not work correct, is, then I enter the folder mutt-users and there is no message which is older than 2 weeks, mutt always wants to save the message on which the cursor stays. How can I change my folder-hook, that mutt don't show such a behaviour. I have written a small patch to address this problem, look for tag-prefix-cond in the folder-hook. You can find the patch on my homepage (www.rachinsky.de). It is tested with FreeBSD Port of 1.3.23.2. PS: Some time ago I also worked with a script which invoked grepmail, but now I think, it's better to make it with mutt. I want to use a small script to move very old mails to compressed folders, it should work, but it is still untested. I attach it. Nicolas move_mail.sh Description: Bourne shell script
big mailbox v.s. rotated mailbox; thoughts
I was thinking about the merits of keeping one large mailbox, versus keeping a mailbox that's rotated monthly/quarterly/yearly. Some people prefer to keep one huge mailbox, and some other people prefer to rotate it. I'd like to explore the reasons why people do it one way and not the other. Reasons I keep my mail in one large mailbox: - I'm too lazy to go look up how to rotate my mail. - It's useful to be able to search for every message a specific person has ever sent me. - The only performance degradation that I've noticed as a result of having a 1 message mailbox is that mutt takes 8 seconds to start. However, I run screen anyway (it's useful since my dialup connection disconnects me randomly, too). A l (limit) command executes within 1 second, even on my huge mailbox. Then again, the current performance degradation could get bad when I accumulate another year or two of mail. :) My main complaint against rotated mailboxes is the anomaly that occurs right after a rotation cycle: My folder would be almost empty, and if I want to search for something I'll have to search for it twice - once in the current folder, and once in the previous period's folder. A fine-grained rotation scheme might work better; e.g. I could have a primary folder that holds the last 3 months of messages, and an archive folder that holds everything else. Every day, a cronjob looks through ~/Maildir/cur for individual files that are 3 months old and moves them to ~/mail/old/cur (is file modification time always the same as the time the message was received?). In that case, I have a reasonably small main folder that I can probably find everything I need to in (saves performance over having one huge folder), and if I need to go back further I can access the larger archive folder.
Re: big mailbox v.s. rotated mailbox; thoughts
* Philip Mak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: A fine-grained rotation scheme might work better; e.g. I could have a primary folder that holds the last 3 months of messages, and an archive folder that holds everything else. I have a script scan all my mailspools (I use mbox) and move anything older than a week to archive/year/mailbox/month-year-mailbox - this keeps my active mail easily to hand, and searching for older mail's as easy as I need it to be. This is pretty similar to your idea, only it uses mbox and saves to a more structured format. -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aagh.net/ - I couldn't remember when I had been so disappointed. Except perhaps the time I found out that MMs really DO melt in your hand. -- Peter Oakley
Re: big mailbox v.s. rotated mailbox; thoughts
On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 06:33:53PM +, Thomas Hurst wrote: * Philip Mak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: A fine-grained rotation scheme might work better; e.g. I could have a primary folder that holds the last 3 months of messages, and an archive folder that holds everything else. I have a script scan all my mailspools (I use mbox) and move anything older than a week to archive/year/mailbox/month-year-mailbox - this keeps my active mail easily to hand, and searching for older mail's as easy as I need it to be. This is pretty similar to your idea, only it uses mbox and saves to a more structured format. How does it scan your mailboxes, does it use grep mail or some other methods? If its short could you perhaps post it? TIA -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aagh.net/ - I couldn't remember when I had been so disappointed. Except perhaps the time I found out that MMs really DO melt in your hand. -- Peter Oakley -- Benjamin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg21956/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: big mailbox v.s. rotated mailbox; thoughts
On Donnerstag, 27. Dez. 2001 at 18:33:53, Thomas Hurst wrote: I have a script scan all my mailspools (I use mbox) and move anything older than a week to archive/year/mailbox/month-year-mailbox - this keeps my active mail easily to hand, and searching for older mail's as easy as I need it to be. Hello Thomas, I have for this a folder-hook. It looks like this: folder-hook =mutt-users$ 'push T~r2w!~F\n\;s' And also I have a save-hook for this: save-hook ~L mutt-users =Archiv/mutt-users-archiv The only thing, which does not work correct, is, then I enter the folder mutt-users and there is no message which is older than 2 weeks, mutt always wants to save the message on which the cursor stays. How can I change my folder-hook, that mutt don't show such a behaviour. CU Michael PS: Some time ago I also worked with a script which invoked grepmail, but now I think, it's better to make it with mutt. -- Registred Linux-User: 183712 GnuPG Key: B3F038DC GnuPG-fingerprint: 21A7 B384 6629 F320 8AFC A2B5 4071 E5C3 B3F0 38DC
Re: big mailbox v.s. rotated mailbox; thoughts
* Benjamin Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: How does it scan your mailboxes, does it use grep mail or some other methods? If its short could you perhaps post it? It reads the file line by line looking for ^From lines. It's not very well written, but it works. I really should make use of exceptions :) If you really want to see it, it's at http://freak.aagh.net/code/mailarchive. It's written in Ruby, of course. Try not to laugh, it was written in a hurry :) It really needs to keep the file access and modification times the same too, otherwise it breaks mutt's new mail code. -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aagh.net/ - ...his disciples lead him in; he just does the rest. -- Tommy
Re: big mailbox v.s. rotated mailbox; thoughts
On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 12:29:34PM -0500, Philip Mak wrote: I was thinking about the merits of keeping one large mailbox, versus keeping a mailbox that's rotated monthly/quarterly/yearly. Some people prefer to keep one huge mailbox, and some other people prefer to rotate it. I'd like to explore the reasons why people do it one way and not the other. Another thing you could do is rotate your mail boxes, and then create a hook for mutt that calls a script that cats all your mail boxes together. You could look at that, and then the script/some other action would delete it. This would have the advantage of having fast open times when you want them, and easy archiving when you want it. -- -- Skylar Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) msg21963/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: big mailbox v.s. rotated mailbox; thoughts
On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 12:29:34PM -0500, Philip Mak (dis)graced my inbox with: Reasons I keep my mail in one large mailbox: - I'm too lazy to go look up how to rotate my mail. That's no excuse. Maybe the next time I drive by your house, I'll be too lazy to stop and I'll just drive right through your house... - It's useful to be able to search for every message a specific person has ever sent me. True, but I don't often need to look for old messages. In fact, I don't even know why I keep archives. ROFL :) - The only performance degradation that I've noticed as a result of having a 1 message mailbox is that mutt takes 8 seconds to start. However, I run screen anyway (it's useful since my dialup connection disconnects me randomly, too). A l (limit) command executes within 1 second, even on my huge mailbox. Well, whatever the limit is, mutt still has to open a folder with ten thousand messages in it. Personally, I think it's cluttered as heck. I like to have a small amount of mail in my inbox at any given time. My main complaint against rotated mailboxes is the anomaly that occurs right after a rotation cycle: My folder would be almost empty, and if I want to search for something I'll have to search for it twice - once in the current folder, and once in the previous period's folder. Well, it just sucks to be you, doesn't it? :) A fine-grained rotation scheme might work better; e.g. I could have a primary folder that holds the last 3 months of messages, and an archive folder that holds everything else. Every day, a cronjob looks through ~/Maildir/cur for individual files that are 3 months old and moves them to ~/mail/old/cur (is file modification time always the same as the time the message was received?). In that case, I have a reasonably small main folder that I can probably find everything I need to in (saves performance over having one huge folder), and if I need to go back further I can access the larger archive folder. That's interesting, I guess I wouldn't mind a setup like that. Here's what I currently have, though, and I am happy with it: - procmail sorts all of my mail into various mboxes in ~/mail/ - mbox hooks are setup to move read mail into ~/mail/archives/-MM-mbox-name I think the main advantage to this is that if you don't rotate, you just get a billion messages piled up, and your screen is always full of messages when you go into that folder. With my way, the clutter is gone and no matter what, the only messages you can see are new messages. If you want to read the old messages, you go into the archives. -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- And 1.1.81 is officially BugFree(tm), so if you receive any bug-reports on it, you know they are just evil lies. -- Linus Torvalds msg21967/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
