RE: NuSphere v. MySQL 4
Please be careful of reading only half of the story, unfortunately the article in question only talks about -Original Message- From: Tyler Longren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 3:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NuSphere v. MySQL 4 I suggest you use MySQL from MySQL AB. Progress Software (parent of NuSphere), is having some legal troubles. http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/02/26/1825200 Tyler - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: NuSphere v. MySQL 4 Hello, I'm not sure if this list is appropriate for this issue but I'll go ahead ask for your input anyway. We're trying to decide to choose DBMS as a backend of our web portal. The portal will take online orders and other requests from end users and this is going to be available enterprise wide (WAN) for approx. 19,000 employees. As Oracle license cost is getting too high for this purpose, I'm thinking of using MySQL instead. However, I saw two different versions here (NuSphere vs. MySQL AB) and cannot decide which one is better to use. Now, my questions are: 1. What would be your recommendation for me to use, what are the advantages / disadvantages of using NuSphere's (or MySQL AB's) products other than the different pricing here? 2. Is it true that Gemini type table from NuSphere is much better than other types (e.g. InnoDB). How about the installation and config themselves, any issues I should know about from each product? We're going to install it on a W2000 server on the same box as the web portal. 3. Is it safe enough to use MySQL v.4.0.1 instead of 3.23.49. How about the MAX 4.0.1., is this better? Although reliability is important this application is not mission critical. Sorry for the many questions, but I'm really new to MySQL and I want to feel comfortable with it before I decide to use this. I'd greatly appreciate any input from all of you. Thanks, Martin **Disclaimer** This Memo and any attachments, may be confidential and legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this in error, kindly destroy this message and notify the sender. Thank you for your assistance. - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: NuSphere v. MySQL 4
Please be careful of reading only half of the story, unfortunately the article in question only talks about half of the issues. See http://www.nusphere.com/releases/index.htm for more information and related documents. Britt... -Original Message- From: Tyler Longren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 3:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NuSphere v. MySQL 4 I suggest you use MySQL from MySQL AB. Progress Software (parent of NuSphere), is having some legal troubles. http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/02/26/1825200 Tyler - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: NuSphere v. MySQL 4 Hello, I'm not sure if this list is appropriate for this issue but I'll go ahead ask for your input anyway. We're trying to decide to choose DBMS as a backend of our web portal. The portal will take online orders and other requests from end users and this is going to be available enterprise wide (WAN) for approx. 19,000 employees. As Oracle license cost is getting too high for this purpose, I'm thinking of using MySQL instead. However, I saw two different versions here (NuSphere vs. MySQL AB) and cannot decide which one is better to use. Now, my questions are: 1. What would be your recommendation for me to use, what are the advantages / disadvantages of using NuSphere's (or MySQL AB's) products other than the different pricing here? 2. Is it true that Gemini type table from NuSphere is much better than other types (e.g. InnoDB). How about the installation and config themselves, any issues I should know about from each product? We're going to install it on a W2000 server on the same box as the web portal. 3. Is it safe enough to use MySQL v.4.0.1 instead of 3.23.49. How about the MAX 4.0.1., is this better? Although reliability is important this application is not mission critical. Sorry for the many questions, but I'm really new to MySQL and I want to feel comfortable with it before I decide to use this. I'd greatly appreciate any input from all of you. Thanks, Martin **Disclaimer** This Memo and any attachments, may be confidential and legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this in error, kindly destroy this message and notify the sender. Thank you for your assistance. - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: Nusphere is spamming me
Thanks for taking the time to clarify the situation. It appears that my response did not however convince the judge or jury on this manner and I've been bannished from the list. Rather interesting development. Britt... -Original Message- From: Michael A. Peters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 5:20 PM To: Britt Johnston Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nusphere is spamming me I would like to offer my very deepet apologies. This is what happened- About a year ago or so (maybe longer) when NuSphere was new I tried their product and did not want to use my regular e-mail address to register, so I used my username@host e-mail address on my linux box. In fact, it was a completely different box than I am using now, but the IP address was the same. I never used that e-mail address for anything. About three weeks ago I installed a clean system and then about a week ago, the Sylpheed gtk+ mail client. I was completely unaware that Sylpheed also incorporates the local system mailbox in its inbox. No one has an e-mail to my username@host address in that time. Until Nusphere did. Looking at the headers of the mail I got, though, that is the e-mail address to which the e-mail from Nusphere was sent. They did not steal my new e-mail address. This is what the header of the message says: Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from pscgate.progress.com (pscgate.progress.com [192.77.186.1]) by c36988-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAJMwtg28381 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:58:57 -0800 That is what happened. My deepest apologies to NuSphere and the MySQL list for this mix up. I jumped to a conclusion I should not have. On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:48:24 -0500 Britt Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] mentioned: Michael, et al: I want to assure everyone that there is no attempt to spam anyone on this email list, this email list is a valuable community service and not to be abused. Regardless, I'm sorry that anyone even has that impression. If you have any concerns after reading this please feel free to contact me directly. - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: Nusphere is spamming me
Michael, et al: I want to assure everyone that there is no attempt to spam anyone on this email list, this email list is a valuable community service and not to be abused. Regardless, I'm sorry that anyone even has that impression. If you have any concerns after reading this please feel free to contact me directly. Any email NuSphere sends directly is to email addresses entered by individuals themselves registering at www.nusphere.com which thousands do every week. There is no other way to get a name into our database. All emails should provide clear instruction on how to be removed from the mailing list if desired. While there were some creative suggestions in the other messages in this thread, none are being used by NuSphere. In Michael's specific case the address that you received email from I believe is not the address you have registered at our site, so perhaps you are forwarding mail from another account to your new account? If you send me the specific email I can further double check our records and we can determine where it came from. NuSphere also has other marketing programs including a worldwide seminar series and as part of presenting that series we do work with well known publishers in specific geographic areas to promote the seminar and that may include both paper and electronic mail to their readers. It is possible some of you might have seen these emails as well - they are not directly from NuSphere. Given other questions, I'll provide a quick update on NuSphere. Our product line has been expanding recently and we are pleased to now provide the leading PHP IDE - NuSphere PHPEd - which won Best Developer Tool award from LinuxWorld and was popular at the recent 2001 International PHP Conference in Frankfurt. NuSphere is focused on providing a complete software platform for building applications which is based on a solid foundation of open source technology - MySQL being one part. Our most popular product is NuSphere Pro Advantage which appeals to those users who want a complete integrated platform for building and deploying applications - it might not be appealing to the experts that read this list, but people that ask you to setup a system for them probably would benefit from the approach. See the following for more info: http://nusphere.com/releases/083001.htm BTW, our seminar series is in the UK next week for more info see the following: http://nusphere.com/education/class.php?id=48 In the future, please do not hesitate to contact me directly with any concerns. Sincerely, Britt... -- D. Britton Johnston 603-578-6707 Nashua Chief Technology Officer 781-280-4954 Bedford NuSphere Corporation 781-280-4600 Main 14 Oak Park 781-280-4646 Fax Bedford, MA 01730 www.nusphere.com - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: MySQL 4.0 released
Now that the patch for Gemini has been created and made available for the new MySQL 4.0 alpha release we are back whole again. I am told that binaries for the complete MySQL 4.0 with support for Gemini tables are now available via mysql.org for everyone to use (MyISAM and InnoDB also). These MySQL server binaries can be used as-is under the GPL without any requirement for a commercial license under any circumstances regardless of the specifics of the application. As for as 4.0 features you can add the following to the list: o SHOW LOCKS statement o Gemini performance improvements in checkpoint processing and cluster reuse (recovery log). o Lock optimization - MySQL executor acquired more locks than required for common queries. o General bug fixes to core MySQL function that benefit Gemini. We have done recent benchmarks with IBM and OSDL on MySQL with Gemini which we presented preliminary results at Open Source Database summit conference a few weeks ago. If anyone is interested in those slides please let me know. BTW, MySQL will be a major topic at the Linux Lunacy Geek Cruise next week. NuSphere is the major sponsor for the event helping make it possible for speakers like Richard Stallman, Eric Raymond and Monty along with myself to further the open source revolution. Drop me a note if you plan on being there! Britt... -- *** NuSphere Advantage *** Winner Best Developer Tool *** LinuxWorld 2001 D. Britton Johnston 603-578-6707 Nashua Chief Technology Officer 781-280-4954 Bedford NuSphere Corporation 781-280-4600 Main 14 Oak Park 781-280-4646 Fax Bedford, MA 01730 www.nusphere.com - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: mysql.org
MySQL AB and NuSphere had a meeting over the phone, we exchanged information and opinions and NuSphere will propose times for the next meeting. Britt... -- D. Britton Johnston 603-578-6707 Nashua Chief Technology Officer 781-280-4954 Bedford NuSphere Corporation 781-280-4600 Main 14 Oak Park 781-280-4646 Fax Bedford, MA 01730 www.nusphere.com - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: mysql.org
Re: Open Invitation to NuSphere and Progress NuSphere accepts MySQL AB's invitation to discuss resolution of our business issues. NuSphere and MySQL AB have already spoken via phone and confirmed discussions will commence on Friday, July 20th. NuSphere would welcome a fresh approach by MySQL AB to resolving these issues. The public postings and attempts to incite the community were not in the best interest of MySQL. We would welcome a productive dialog rather than a public campaign. NuSphere requests that MySQL AB continue discussions in the tone and spirit of the invitation. The pattern that has taken place over the past several months of extreme action by MySQL AB, followed by overtures for negotiation, continues to damage the trust needed to establish the further agreements that MySQL AB seeks. We note that public statements have been made after the invitation, statements that are not in the spirit of the invitation. During our discussions commencing Friday, we are willing to address the issue of delaying legal proceedings. MySQL AB must understand that its strong and very public statements denying the validity of the agreement we entered into on June 21, 2000, denying the rights granted to use MySQL related trademarks, and now denying the financial and technical contributions that NuSphere has made to MySQL, all underscore the need to seek legal enforcement of our rights. Any delay that NuSphere could agree to would require that MySQL AB show restraint and a spirit of cooperation in its ongoing public statements. As you are aware, we are forming a not-for-profit corporation to focus on building and supporting a larger MySQL development community and promoting MySQL. The mysql.org domain is expected to be transferred to that organization. NuSphere has taken the lead and is covering the costs of forming this organization and expects it will take some time before it can operate on its own. We firmly believe that establishing a source of information independent of any for-profit corporation is an important step for the long term health of the MySQL community. We encourage you to reconsider your opposition and join us in supporting this effort. The Gemini storage manager is now available under the GPL license via mysql.org. The new Gemini table handler, storage manager, and the existing MyISAM table handler provide the most scalable and reliable version of MySQL ever. This release completes the commitment NuSphere made and we jointly announced in January 2001 when our relationship was strong. Gemini as released under the GPL provides all the support for transactions, row level locking and crash recovery essential for building commercial applications. MySQL AB is encouraged to incorporate this significant contribution to the MySQL server sources to eliminate concerns about a fork. Regrettably MySQL AB cut off NuSphere's prior direct access to make those changes. NuSphere is a major sponsor of the OSCON 2001 conference and intends to heavily promote MySQL at the event. NuSphere has organized a MySQL track to further promote MySQL on both a technical and business level at the conference. NuSphere continues to support the formation of a noncommercial organization. All of these demonstrate the strength and depth of our commitment to the MySQL community. Your willingness to return to resolving our issues in a business-like fashion would be welcome. Sincerely, Britt Johnston CTO, NuSphere Corporation -- D. Britton Johnston 603-578-6707 Nashua Chief Technology Officer 781-280-4954 Bedford NuSphere Corporation 781-280-4600 Main 14 Oak Park 781-280-4646 Fax Bedford, MA 01730 www.nusphere.com - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: mysql.org
Well, what a mess. It is regretable that this legal issue needs to be aired so publically that was certainly not my preference. I also will not get into a flame war, it is not in the best interest of mysql. I appreciate all the email I've received with advice and/or support - thanks. It is important that everyone realize that there is a legal agreement that both Monty and David personally signed that provides NuSphere broad rights around the use of the MySQL name. That agreement also allows NuSphere to release MySQL under the GPL license forever and print and distribute the manual. We paid significant money to Monty and David in exchange for that agreement which was central to forming NuSphere. This is public record. Please consider these facts when you try to understand NuSphere's rights and motivations - we actually worked hard to get the details in writing before we even started the company and we paid real money. It is under this agreement that we believe we have a clear right to use mysql.org. Now it appears there is a need by MySQL AB to characterize that agreement as no longer in effect - I hope you can respect the fact that NuSphere believes it is fully in effect and we wish to continue to abide by it. This is the central issue and public debate will not resolve it. As far as mysql.org goes, what NuSphere would like to see is a non-profit organization running that site - we have been consistent in this desire for over a year, but it has been opposed by Monty and David. I discussed this with Monty as recently as a few weeks ago in June and July and as always he was not interested - I appreciate he is entitled to that opinion as I am entitled to believe that it is time to take this step in the MySQL community. I invite all those who are skeptical to join mysql.org and be part of its formation. [BTW, the first community action was to get rid of the registration requirement at the site - it is no longer required for downloading files rather it is a membership registration only now.] As far as NuSphere's contribution to MySQL, it is disappointing to see our efforts discounted so quickly. At a minimum there are specific bug fixes, features, and language statements focused around transaction support in the server that are in MySQL due to NuSphere's efforts in cooperation with Monty. The Gemini table handler itself is already part of MySQL and is licensed under the GPL - go find ha_gemini.cc and you will see it we checked it in long ago in V4 and again in 3.23 when V4 was late. The Gemini component itself will be released via mysql.org as GPL as previously announced - note that Gemini itself is not a derivative of MySQL in any way - it's roots date back to long before MySQL existed. Finally independent of the rest of this. I have the highest respect for Monty and what he has done creating MySQL. I'm certain we can move beyond this and make MySQL an even stronger open source project and I encourage everyone move to a constructive dialog. Britt -- D. Britton Johnston 603-578-6707 Nashua Chief Technology Officer 781-280-4954 Bedford NuSphere Corporation 781-280-4600 Main 14 Oak Park 781-280-4646 Fax Bedford, MA 01730 www.nusphere.com - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: Enhanced MySQL
Enhanced MySQL(tm) is as the words say a value-added version of MySQL available from NuSphere and is available as part of two products that contain NuSphere MySQL: NuSphere MySQL Advantage and NuSphere Pro Advantage (which also includes a really nice PHP IDE if you haven't seen it). Take a look at http://nusphere.com for more. As we have publically stated, we expect to release the source code for Gemini as part of MySQL V4, given the delay in releasing V4 we have decided to release gemini source via mysql.org as a way to kick off this new non-commercial community site formed for support of mysql. Take a look at http://mysql.org for more. Britt... -- D. Britton Johnston 603-578-6707 Nashua Chief Technology Officer 781-280-4954 Bedford NuSphere Corporation 781-280-4600 Main 14 Oak Park 781-280-4646 Fax Bedford, MA 01730 www.nusphere.com D'Arcy Rittich wrote: Try here: http://www.mysql.com/portal/distributions/html/index.html D'Arcy Rittich - Original Message - From: MikemickaloBlezien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Enhanced MySQL On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 08:27:11 +0300 (EEST), Michael Widenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, Strange, I went thru the entire portal section and couldn't find anything about this NuSphere's Enhanced MySQL. I just happen to notice the small banner on www.mysql.com home page. But thank for the info. Hi! Hello all, Was wondering if anyone is fimilar with NuSphere's http://www.nusphere.com/ Enhanced MySQL and what advantages, if any it may have. THX, Mike(mickalo)Blezien You can find information about this distribution and other MySQL distributions at: http://www.mysql.com/portal/ Mike(mickalo)Blezien =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Thunder Rain Internet Publishing Providing Internet Solutions that work! http://www.thunder-rain.com Fax: 1(225)686-2285 Tel: 1(225)686-2002 Toll Free: 1(800)594-4782 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: OK, I'll bite
NuSphere announced Gemini a few months ago and there is a press release on our website if you want to see the official details at: http://www.nusphere.com/releases/103000.htm Gemini is a project that NuSphere is doing to add a new table type to MySQL that will provide ACID transactions, row-level locking, and automatic crash recovery. The underlying code was part of the kernel of a successful commercial database and has the reputation for being one of the most reliable and easy to use databases available. Gemini brings mature enterprise-class database technology to MySQL in areas that have not been the focus of the popular MyISAM table type. Gemini and MyISAM table types are extremely complementary and I believe the combination will result in an expanding number of applications that will use MySQL as part of their core IT infrastucture not only for front end web functions, but also backend ecommerce functions. In November we met with members of the core MySQL development team in our offices to finalize design issues for the integration effort and since then have been hard at work building the gemini table handler. If you are interested watch this space or our website at www.nusphere.com for more information. Britt... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vinny Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 12:32 AM To: Mysql List Subject: OK, I'll bite What the heck is gemini and innobase? and how will they be used in mysql of the future? -- Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] Xaymaca Studios http://www.blendermania.com - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
