recursive queries

2005-12-08 Thread Duncan Miller
Title: DIY MTB




Is there any built in or other
support for recursive queries . I suspect not, but wonder what is
considered the best approach.

With stored procedures being supported in 5.0 is that the way to handle
these.

Thanks


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Duncan Miller

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Re: recursive queries

2005-12-08 Thread Duncan Miller
I am looking to do a query on a self join table that returns the parent 
records.


Obviously there are ways to do this, but just wondered if there are any 
functions in MySQL that make this easier, or specific functions 
available to stored procedures. I have read the manual and couldn't find 
anything, but thought I would ask.


I notice that the new MS SQL Server has support for recursive queries 
and oracle also, so I thought maybe...


Thanks




Re: Evaluating text as an expression

2005-11-07 Thread Duncan Miller

Thanks again, I am certainly learning a lot more about MySQL.

It not quite what I was looking for but it does give me another option 
to use.


I am not really a developer or anything so I keep to fairly simple 
things and like to use SQL and a scripting language. I can do what I 
want on the client script side.


I was thinking of something like the Javascript Eval method (and the 
similar VBScript Eval function) that allow you to construct a string by 
whatever means and then execute it as a command. This gives the scripter 
some flexibility that probably is a lazy way to a better solution but ...


Probably the best example I can offer is

Table = MathsOperations
Val1 = 5
Val2 = 3
Operation = 'Val1 * Val2'

Select Val1,Val2,Operation, Eval(Operation) From MathsOperations

Would return
5,3,'Val1 * Val2',15

As I say I can do this at the client side but it occurred to me that it 
would be useful to be able to do it within SQL. But I am happy with what 
I have learned.





Rhino wrote:
The kind of thing you are talking about, where you execute a text 
string that is supplied at runtime, is called dynamic SQL. I've used 
it in the database which I use most of the time, DB2, but had never 
seen it in MySQL when I was making my initial reply to your question. 
I just had a look at the MySQL manual to see if it was there, since I 
was concerned that I might have simply overlooked it earlier.
 
As it turns out, I *had* indeed missed the existence of dynamic SQL in 
MySQL! Mind you, the MySQL manual uses the term 'prepared statements' 
instead of 'dynamic SQL'.
 
You didn't say what version of MySQL you are running but if you are 
using 5.0 or later, dynamic SQL is possible for you. Have a look at 
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/sqlps.html. This would appear 
to be what you originally wanted.
 
If you are on MySQL 4.1.x, prepared _SQL_ statements are, apparently, 
not available but you can accomplish the same effect with the C 
API. If you look at 
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/c-api-prepared-statements.html and 
the subsequent parts of that chapter, you will see the API 
described. Now, I don't know how you feel about writing statements 
that aren't SQL but this may offer an acceptable way for you to do 
what you want to do. By the same token, Java offers ways to send text 
strings to a program at runtime and having them interpreted to return 
whatever you want. However, I know that some people want to be able to 
do everything in pure SQL without any application code in the picture; 
if that is your situation, you may want to upgrade to 5.0 or 5.1 so 
that you have the capabilities you need.
 
Naturally, stored procedures and user defined functions are still 
valid ways of solving the problems you posed.
 
I apologize profusely for giving you the impression that what you 
wanted was not available in MySQL; I simply had never looked for 
dynamic SQL capabilities in MySQL and had never stumbled across their 
existence in the manual when looking for other things. I spend most of 
my time in DB2 and only occasionally work with MySQL and my own copy 
of MySQL is 4.0.x which doesn't support prepared statements so I just 
never knew that they were there in the later releases.
 
Sorry for any confusion I caused!
 
Rhino


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*From:* Duncan Miller mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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*Sent:* Monday, November 07, 2005 1:22 AM
*Subject:* Re: Evaluating text as an expression

Thanks.

I see what you mean. I used the 'Evaluate' as an example because
in some code you can use that function to execute a text string as
code. I sort of thought there may be something similar in SQL /
MySQL to allow the execution of a resultant string as if it were code.

And yeah a lot of things that were workarounds before can now be
done as stored procedures.

Of course I could just pass the string to a generic stored
procedure to return the result. I'm assuming I can call a stored
procedure within an SQL command. Will check it out further.

Thanks again


Rhino wrote:

See comments interspersed below.

Rhino
- Original Message - 
From: Duncan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: mysql@lists.mysql.com
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 8:36 PM
Subject: Evaluating text as an expression


  

I am trying to set up a table where the returned value is a result of
evaluating an expression that is stored as text (or varchar).

The idea is to have a table with a couple of fields that can contain
numeric values or expressions eg

Name Fred
Years 3
Commission base 10%
Commission Commission Base + (Years * 2)%


I sort imagines that I could do it like SELECT Name,
Evaluate(Commission) or as a subquery.



Assuming you want to invoke this code with a function name, as in your

Evaluating text as an expression

2005-11-06 Thread Duncan Miller
I am trying to set up a table where the returned value is a result of 
evaluating an expression that is stored as text (or varchar).


The idea is to have a table with a couple of fields that can contain 
numeric values or expressions eg


NameFred
Years   3
Commission base 10%
Commission  Commission Base + (Years * 2)%


I sort imagines that I could do it like SELECT Name, 
Evaluate(Commission) or as a subquery.


Another example I have is to be able to store queries in a table and be 
able to call them in one call to the database rather than through the 
provider eg


Select evaluate(queryText) from queryTable where queryId = x

This is probably a bit more redundant now that 5 has stored procedures 
etc but still...


any ideas

Thanks
Duncan







Re: Evaluating text as an expression

2005-11-06 Thread Duncan Miller

Thanks.

I see what you mean. I used the 'Evaluate' as an example because in some 
code you can use that function to execute a text string as code. I sort 
of thought there may be something similar in SQL / MySQL to allow the 
execution of a resultant string as if it were code.


And yeah a lot of things that were workarounds before can now be done as 
stored procedures.


Of course I could just pass the string to a generic stored procedure to 
return the result. I'm assuming I can call a stored procedure within an 
SQL command. Will check it out further.


Thanks again


Rhino wrote:

See comments interspersed below.

Rhino
- Original Message - 
From: Duncan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: mysql@lists.mysql.com
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 8:36 PM
Subject: Evaluating text as an expression


  

I am trying to set up a table where the returned value is a result of
evaluating an expression that is stored as text (or varchar).

The idea is to have a table with a couple of fields that can contain
numeric values or expressions eg

Name Fred
Years 3
Commission base 10%
Commission Commission Base + (Years * 2)%


I sort imagines that I could do it like SELECT Name,
Evaluate(Commission) or as a subquery.



Assuming you want to invoke this code with a function name, as in your
example, what you're requesting is called a UDF (user-defined function).
These are supported as early as MySQL 4.1. Basically, you create a function
with a name of your choosing (usually with some restrictions), then write
some code behind it to do the work you want. Then you drop that code into
MySQL and it becomes just another function that you can use, just like the
standard ones built into MySQL. See this page of the 4.1 manual for more
information: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/create-function.html.

  

Another example I have is to be able to store queries in a table and be
able to call them in one call to the database rather than through the
provider eg

Select evaluate(queryText) from queryTable where queryId = x

This is probably a bit more redundant now that 5 has stored procedures
etc but still...



I haven't seen the exact functionality you are describing in either DB2 or
MySQL but what you are describing is not too different from stored
procedures. A stored procedure is basically the name of some code that you
can invoke, passing in parameters if you like, and that returns a result
set. They are invoked via CALL statements though, not via SELECT statements.

Rhino