RE: Impact of Free ORACLE
At 02:20 AM 3/26/2002 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is what the MadProfessor needs to do: 1. Contact you local Oracle Marketing Rep. He will set you straight on licensing and pricing. 2. Go read the Oracle9iAS Data Sheet. Notice that they use Apache and throw in couple of their own candy wrappers called mods. Oracle9iAS does not include the Oracle Database. And oh yes, Wireless Personalization enablement is not included. That is extra! I think the CD ROM is free! Tongue in cheek. Usually there is a media charge so I don't think the CD ROM is free either! ;o) John Wubbel John Wubbel Consulting Being a Oracle Database Admin myself, I have to say that MySQL is far better, it is just as fast when configured right, just as flexiable when the scripting is done right and the real icing on the cake is it is HONESTLY, TRUTHFULLY, TOTALLY FREE! If I could I would make the place where I work switch over, I am a great lover of Open Source, forget ASP, IIS, and all the other Micro$oft gimmics that are opperable on one platform, these are just cheap stunt marketing tools. Granted Oracle is available on multiple platforms. But take it from me, once you have had a serious look at Oracle and you find you have to set memory allocation after memory allocation for every little piece of the DB, you soon lose the desire to set up additional databases. As I said, I do this for a living, and if the MySQL market was as big (moneywise) I would leave the Oracle realm in a heart beat. Besides, I recently read an article on a benchmark test of several of the top leading databases conducted by Zif Davis, you know that large computer magazine corp, those guys do not bow down to M$, Oracle or any of the other big names, they report the facts as they find them, regardless of the name. Read more about this here: http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s=708a=23115,00.asp So to be honest, I (again let me point out that I KNOW what I am talking about) see little or NO danger for MySQL v's Oracle, and as I just read in a email sent to this list, Oracle chances is pricing repeatedly one moment it was per seat, then it was per processing power of the system and the story goes on. Oracle is NOT, nor will it be FREE any time soon, and I am talking YEARS! Regards, - Charles McGrotty Intelliweb Technologies, You know you want IT? Visit Intelliweb Technologies for all your hosting requirements. http://www.intelliwebtech.com -Original Message- From: Francesca Shiekh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 25 March 2002 18:56 To: MadProfessor; 'Richard Forgo'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE At 05:29 PM 3/25/2002 -0600, MadProfessor wrote: Here's a couple I've dug up: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020117/sfth035_1.html http://www.devx.com/judgingjava/articles/javaone/report2.asp (Flat out SAYS ORACLE IS FREE!) I took a quick look at this site and I don't see anything that says the database is free... I can find Oracle 9iAS downloadable for free... that's the Application Server, you then need the Database to go with it... Moreover, I wouldn't trust using it for production... Oracle has a history of changing the pricing on people and claiming that you have to pay more money if you want to continue using their product because the licensing changed... They may give it to you free this year, next year you'll find yourself with a large bill! Just read these: http://www.idg.net.nz/pressroom.nsf/UNID/8DCAE02D7BD89FD6CC256B8100822FB 0!opendocument http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/175426.html http://www.crmdaily.com/perl/story/16852.html http://news.com.com/2100-1001-864135.html There are many more... I think MySql is here to stay even if Larry should decide to give it all away for free... database, applications etc. There are always the consulting and support fees, and anyone who worked with Oracle Apps knows you can't do a damn thing without support! ..And if you want to take less than 5 years to implement the system you better have consultants on board and a staff of 2 people per module in house! $0.02 as someone else put it... Francesca And of course, let's not forget http://www.oracle.com (Just go to downloads, register your info and try downloading ANYTHING) I PROMISE YOU, oh non believers, that you'll believe me after you read those articles, and then try downloading 9i from Oracle. You don't even have to download it, just start it and watch it go! Cheers, VJ MPZ -Original Message- From: Richard Forgo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:02 PM To: 'MadProfessor'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE Did Big Larry go open source? This is news to me. If you have more details, please provide
Re: Impact of Free ORACLE
Since when is Oracle free? F. At 04:48 PM 3/25/2002 -0600, MadProfessor wrote: Just curious what everyone thinks the impact on MySQL will be now that Oracle is free? - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: Impact of Free ORACLE
At 05:29 PM 3/25/2002 -0600, MadProfessor wrote: Here's a couple I've dug up: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020117/sfth035_1.html http://www.devx.com/judgingjava/articles/javaone/report2.asp (Flat out SAYS ORACLE IS FREE!) I took a quick look at this site and I don't see anything that says the database is free... I can find Oracle 9iAS downloadable for free... that's the Application Server, you then need the Database to go with it... Moreover, I wouldn't trust using it for production... Oracle has a history of changing the pricing on people and claiming that you have to pay more money if you want to continue using their product because the licensing changed... They may give it to you free this year, next year you'll find yourself with a large bill! Just read these: http://www.idg.net.nz/pressroom.nsf/UNID/8DCAE02D7BD89FD6CC256B8100822FB0!opendocument http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/175426.html http://www.crmdaily.com/perl/story/16852.html http://news.com.com/2100-1001-864135.html There are many more... I think MySql is here to stay even if Larry should decide to give it all away for free... database, applications etc. There are always the consulting and support fees, and anyone who worked with Oracle Apps knows you can't do a damn thing without support! ..And if you want to take less than 5 years to implement the system you better have consultants on board and a staff of 2 people per module in house! $0.02 as someone else put it... Francesca And of course, let's not forget http://www.oracle.com (Just go to downloads, register your info and try downloading ANYTHING) I PROMISE YOU, oh non believers, that you'll believe me after you read those articles, and then try downloading 9i from Oracle. You don't even have to download it, just start it and watch it go! Cheers, VJ MPZ -Original Message- From: Richard Forgo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:02 PM To: 'MadProfessor'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE Did Big Larry go open source? This is news to me. If you have more details, please provide the list a link to share that info. Rik Forgo JIST3 Army Test Training Investment Conference (ATTIC) Diverse Technologies Corp. (c) 410.852.7420 (h) 410.859.8474 -Original Message- From: MadProfessor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Impact of Free ORACLE Just curious what everyone thinks the impact on MySQL will be now that Oracle is free? - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: nothing technical....
One more reason to stick to MySql! For those interested, another article here: Oracle Pricing called into question http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s=1884a=24365,00.asp At 09:42 AM 3/21/2002 -0500, Gurhan Ozen wrote: Thought some might be interested in such articles. Seems like Oracle's got caught red handed scrambling:) http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=technologynewsStoryID=725126 Just for the filter: MySQL rocks :) Gurhan - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
