RE: Impact of Free ORACLE
Ron Jamison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be hardpressed to find a better, more stable database (MySQL) with the wonderful support that comes from the whole community. Couldn't agree more. It's a shame that Microsoft, Oracle, IBM's support for their DB's isn't as good, (and inexpensive!!) as MySQL's. Oracle will continue to be slowly abandoned as the decision makers choose open source and low (no) cost over proprietary and stupendous costs. And if you truely believe that, would you be interested in this bridge I've got for sale ;-) ?! The commercial databases will always have the the advantages of better image to the damned bean-counters and a better feature set or app support, (If you've standardised on M$ tools for building then - surprise, surprise - it's easier if you're using SQLServer as the backend). Don't misunderstand me - MySQL is great, (in fact the last place I used it, I couldn't have used SQLServer, Oracle, DB2 - the technical requirements meant that it had to be either MySQL or PostgreSQL). I for one will be glad to see those inflated price tags go. Hear, hear - mind you with Larry E's guys it'd be nice to get a consistent price, (three different prices for the same piece of software in the space of 30 days!!) Bob Cross. (mysql query database table) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or protected by other legal rules. It is not an offer or acceptance of an offer, nor shall it form any part of a legally binding contract. If you have received this communication in error, please let us know by reply then destroy it. You should not use, print, copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. E-mail is subject to possible data corruption, is not secure, and its content does not necessarily represent the opinion of this Company. No representation or warranty is made as to the accuracy or completeness of the information and no liability is accepted for any loss arising from its use. This e-mail and any attachments are not guaranteed to be free from so-called computer viruses. You should check for viruses before down-loading it to your computer equipment. This Company has no control over other websites to which there may be hypertext links and no liability is accepted in relation to those sites. This Company randomly monitors its e-mail system (including incoming e-mails) for operational purposes. Scottish Newcastle plc Registered in Scotland, Registered Number 16288 Registered Office: 33, Ellersly Road, Edinburgh, EH12 6HX * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: Impact of Free ORACLE
Geez, get a grip. You should've counted on the predictable, endless sarcasm that came as a reply to something that would've been pretty big news, NOT on only 1 or 2 people pointing out that you're wrong. Most critics here think that they will be the first or only person to reply, or believe their sarcasm needs to be heard. But this goes as a lesson to everyone - double-check, triple-check, and so on, before you blurt out something that you heard, even it was from reliable sources. And if those reliable sources turn out to be wrong, you'd better begin wondering whether you should listen to them again. This also applies to the people who just discredited his story without taking the time to do their own quick research on it, as I'm sure many of you did. Finally, to everyone who reads this: with such a post, there WILL be someone out there that responds to it, and you should only need to add your response after time goes by and either nobody responds to it, or a few people respond with the wrong answer. Otherwise, you're just going to fill up the list with sarcastic posts that do nothing but tick off the recipient. - J P.S. Try not to curse; it's a bad habit. -Original Message- From: MadProfessor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 8:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Charles McGrotty' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE Ok, Ok, KIDZ, I get it. I had just heard from a rather reliable pair of sources that the oracle system was free, so I thought I'd ask you cats if you had any thoughts Now I get endless buillshit sarcasm, instead of the simple 1 or 2 people pointing out that I'm wrong. The rest of you guys who thought you were being original by giving me shit as if we were on slashdot need to realize there's no call for all that. I was trying to find out more about how everyone felt. I still run MySQL on my servers, and while I was interested in how Oracle works, I wasn't about to switch, so don't feel like you need to be questioning my geekiness, nor my interest in free software or open source. End fucking rant, have a nice day. VJ MadProfessor - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: Impact of Free ORACLE
At 02:20 AM 3/26/2002 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is what the MadProfessor needs to do: 1. Contact you local Oracle Marketing Rep. He will set you straight on licensing and pricing. 2. Go read the Oracle9iAS Data Sheet. Notice that they use Apache and throw in couple of their own candy wrappers called mods. Oracle9iAS does not include the Oracle Database. And oh yes, Wireless Personalization enablement is not included. That is extra! I think the CD ROM is free! Tongue in cheek. Usually there is a media charge so I don't think the CD ROM is free either! ;o) John Wubbel John Wubbel Consulting Being a Oracle Database Admin myself, I have to say that MySQL is far better, it is just as fast when configured right, just as flexiable when the scripting is done right and the real icing on the cake is it is HONESTLY, TRUTHFULLY, TOTALLY FREE! If I could I would make the place where I work switch over, I am a great lover of Open Source, forget ASP, IIS, and all the other Micro$oft gimmics that are opperable on one platform, these are just cheap stunt marketing tools. Granted Oracle is available on multiple platforms. But take it from me, once you have had a serious look at Oracle and you find you have to set memory allocation after memory allocation for every little piece of the DB, you soon lose the desire to set up additional databases. As I said, I do this for a living, and if the MySQL market was as big (moneywise) I would leave the Oracle realm in a heart beat. Besides, I recently read an article on a benchmark test of several of the top leading databases conducted by Zif Davis, you know that large computer magazine corp, those guys do not bow down to M$, Oracle or any of the other big names, they report the facts as they find them, regardless of the name. Read more about this here: http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s=708a=23115,00.asp So to be honest, I (again let me point out that I KNOW what I am talking about) see little or NO danger for MySQL v's Oracle, and as I just read in a email sent to this list, Oracle chances is pricing repeatedly one moment it was per seat, then it was per processing power of the system and the story goes on. Oracle is NOT, nor will it be FREE any time soon, and I am talking YEARS! Regards, - Charles McGrotty Intelliweb Technologies, You know you want IT? Visit Intelliweb Technologies for all your hosting requirements. http://www.intelliwebtech.com -Original Message- From: Francesca Shiekh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 25 March 2002 18:56 To: MadProfessor; 'Richard Forgo'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE At 05:29 PM 3/25/2002 -0600, MadProfessor wrote: Here's a couple I've dug up: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020117/sfth035_1.html http://www.devx.com/judgingjava/articles/javaone/report2.asp (Flat out SAYS ORACLE IS FREE!) I took a quick look at this site and I don't see anything that says the database is free... I can find Oracle 9iAS downloadable for free... that's the Application Server, you then need the Database to go with it... Moreover, I wouldn't trust using it for production... Oracle has a history of changing the pricing on people and claiming that you have to pay more money if you want to continue using their product because the licensing changed... They may give it to you free this year, next year you'll find yourself with a large bill! Just read these: http://www.idg.net.nz/pressroom.nsf/UNID/8DCAE02D7BD89FD6CC256B8100822FB 0!opendocument http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/175426.html http://www.crmdaily.com/perl/story/16852.html http://news.com.com/2100-1001-864135.html There are many more... I think MySql is here to stay even if Larry should decide to give it all away for free... database, applications etc. There are always the consulting and support fees, and anyone who worked with Oracle Apps knows you can't do a damn thing without support! ..And if you want to take less than 5 years to implement the system you better have consultants on board and a staff of 2 people per module in house! $0.02 as someone else put it... Francesca And of course, let's not forget http://www.oracle.com (Just go to downloads, register your info and try downloading ANYTHING) I PROMISE YOU, oh non believers, that you'll believe me after you read those articles, and then try downloading 9i from Oracle. You don't even have to download it, just start it and watch it go! Cheers, VJ MPZ -Original Message- From: Richard Forgo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:02 PM To: 'MadProfessor'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE Did Big Larry go open source? This is news to me. If you have more details, please provide
Re: Impact of Free ORACLE
In the last episode (Mar 25), MadProfessor said: Just curious what everyone thinks the impact on MySQL will be now that Oracle is free? And where did you hear this? -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: Impact of Free ORACLE
...uhm...yeah right. I also heard Larry Ellison was going to give all his money away to help starving children in Afghanistan as well. -Original Message- From: MadProfessor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 3:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Impact of Free ORACLE Just curious what everyone thinks the impact on MySQL will be now that Oracle is free? - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: Impact of Free ORACLE
Did Big Larry go open source? This is news to me. If you have more details, please provide the list a link to share that info. Rik Forgo JIST3 Army Test Training Investment Conference (ATTIC) Diverse Technologies Corp. (c) 410.852.7420 (h) 410.859.8474 -Original Message- From: MadProfessor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Impact of Free ORACLE Just curious what everyone thinks the impact on MySQL will be now that Oracle is free? - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: Impact of Free ORACLE
Since when is Oracle free? F. At 04:48 PM 3/25/2002 -0600, MadProfessor wrote: Just curious what everyone thinks the impact on MySQL will be now that Oracle is free? - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: Impact of Free ORACLE
Hahahahah..a million dollar support goes freewhat a news. R.B.Roa PhilCom Corporation Tel. No. 858- Mobile No. (63) (919-xxx) -Original Message- From: MadProfessor [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 6:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Impact of Free ORACLE Just curious what everyone thinks the impact on MySQL will be now that Oracle is free? - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: Impact of Free ORACLE
Since when? Even if Oracle was free, it would still take a bit of convincing for me to want to switch from MySQL. Unless of course they decided to port to OSX and release that for free, oh and while they're at it, cut out all the Java garbage that has no business residing in a database. *sigh* - Gabriel MadProfessor wrote: Just curious what everyone thinks the impact on MySQL will be now that Oracle is free? - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: Impact of Free ORACLE
I think you will find that Oracle offers free DEVELOPER copies of at least some of their products. You still need to pay for it to actually use it in a production environment. So nothing has changed! i.e. Oracle is not Free (for production environments). Cheers Tim -Original Message- From: MadProfessor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2002 10:00 AM To: 'Richard Forgo'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE Here's a couple I've dug up: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020117/sfth035_1.html http://www.devx.com/judgingjava/articles/javaone/report2.asp (Flat out SAYS ORACLE IS FREE!) And of course, let's not forget http://www.oracle.com (Just go to downloads, register your info and try downloading ANYTHING) I PROMISE YOU, oh non believers, that you'll believe me after you read those articles, and then try downloading 9i from Oracle. You don't even have to download it, just start it and watch it go! Cheers, VJ MPZ -Original Message- From: Richard Forgo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:02 PM To: 'MadProfessor'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE Did Big Larry go open source? This is news to me. If you have more details, please provide the list a link to share that info. Rik Forgo JIST3 Army Test Training Investment Conference (ATTIC) Diverse Technologies Corp. (c) 410.852.7420 (h) 410.859.8474 -Original Message- From: MadProfessor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Impact of Free ORACLE Just curious what everyone thinks the impact on MySQL will be now that Oracle is free? - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: Impact of Free ORACLE
Here's a couple I've dug up: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020117/sfth035_1.html http://www.devx.com/judgingjava/articles/javaone/report2.asp (Flat out SAYS ORACLE IS FREE!) And of course, let's not forget http://www.oracle.com (Just go to downloads, register your info and try downloading ANYTHING) I PROMISE YOU, oh non believers, that you'll believe me after you read those articles, and then try downloading 9i from Oracle. You don't even have to download it, just start it and watch it go! Cheers, VJ MPZ -Original Message- From: Richard Forgo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:02 PM To: 'MadProfessor'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE Did Big Larry go open source? This is news to me. If you have more details, please provide the list a link to share that info. Rik Forgo JIST3 Army Test Training Investment Conference (ATTIC) Diverse Technologies Corp. (c) 410.852.7420 (h) 410.859.8474 -Original Message- From: MadProfessor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Impact of Free ORACLE Just curious what everyone thinks the impact on MySQL will be now that Oracle is free? - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: Impact of Free ORACLE
At 05:29 PM 3/25/2002 -0600, MadProfessor wrote: Here's a couple I've dug up: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020117/sfth035_1.html http://www.devx.com/judgingjava/articles/javaone/report2.asp (Flat out SAYS ORACLE IS FREE!) I took a quick look at this site and I don't see anything that says the database is free... I can find Oracle 9iAS downloadable for free... that's the Application Server, you then need the Database to go with it... Moreover, I wouldn't trust using it for production... Oracle has a history of changing the pricing on people and claiming that you have to pay more money if you want to continue using their product because the licensing changed... They may give it to you free this year, next year you'll find yourself with a large bill! Just read these: http://www.idg.net.nz/pressroom.nsf/UNID/8DCAE02D7BD89FD6CC256B8100822FB0!opendocument http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/175426.html http://www.crmdaily.com/perl/story/16852.html http://news.com.com/2100-1001-864135.html There are many more... I think MySql is here to stay even if Larry should decide to give it all away for free... database, applications etc. There are always the consulting and support fees, and anyone who worked with Oracle Apps knows you can't do a damn thing without support! ..And if you want to take less than 5 years to implement the system you better have consultants on board and a staff of 2 people per module in house! $0.02 as someone else put it... Francesca And of course, let's not forget http://www.oracle.com (Just go to downloads, register your info and try downloading ANYTHING) I PROMISE YOU, oh non believers, that you'll believe me after you read those articles, and then try downloading 9i from Oracle. You don't even have to download it, just start it and watch it go! Cheers, VJ MPZ -Original Message- From: Richard Forgo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:02 PM To: 'MadProfessor'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE Did Big Larry go open source? This is news to me. If you have more details, please provide the list a link to share that info. Rik Forgo JIST3 Army Test Training Investment Conference (ATTIC) Diverse Technologies Corp. (c) 410.852.7420 (h) 410.859.8474 -Original Message- From: MadProfessor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Impact of Free ORACLE Just curious what everyone thinks the impact on MySQL will be now that Oracle is free? - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: Impact of Free ORACLE
I tried to ignore this thread, but the temptation overwelmed me The assumption of 'Free' implies you give up nothing in return for what you receive. While one can certainly run Oracle products without putting out cash (whether you possess a legal license is another issue for Lawyers), what you give up causes the 'free' aspect to become questionable. First try measuring the amount of 'free' disk space you have left. Then try checking the amount of 'free' memory you have left.There's other non-free aspects of Oracle, but I will not go on. I think I'll go back to 'free' (as in disk space) for now joe -Original Message- From: Tim Buchalka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 4:44 PM To: 'MadProfessor' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE I think you will find that Oracle offers free DEVELOPER copies of at least some of their products. You still need to pay for it to actually use it in a production environment. So nothing has changed! i.e. Oracle is not Free (for production environments). Cheers Tim -Original Message- From: MadProfessor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2002 10:00 AM To: 'Richard Forgo'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE Here's a couple I've dug up: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020117/sfth035_1.html http://www.devx.com/judgingjava/articles/javaone/report2.asp (Flat out SAYS ORACLE IS FREE!) And of course, let's not forget http://www.oracle.com (Just go to downloads, register your info and try downloading ANYTHING) I PROMISE YOU, oh non believers, that you'll believe me after you read those articles, and then try downloading 9i from Oracle. You don't even have to download it, just start it and watch it go! Cheers, VJ MPZ -Original Message- From: Richard Forgo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:02 PM To: 'MadProfessor'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE Did Big Larry go open source? This is news to me. If you have more details, please provide the list a link to share that info. Rik Forgo JIST3 Army Test Training Investment Conference (ATTIC) Diverse Technologies Corp. (c) 410.852.7420 (h) 410.859.8474 -Original Message- From: MadProfessor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Impact of Free ORACLE Just curious what everyone thinks the impact on MySQL will be now that Oracle is free? - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: Impact of Free ORACLE
Being a Oracle Database Admin myself, I have to say that MySQL is far better, it is just as fast when configured right, just as flexiable when the scripting is done right and the real icing on the cake is it is HONESTLY, TRUTHFULLY, TOTALLY FREE! If I could I would make the place where I work switch over, I am a great lover of Open Source, forget ASP, IIS, and all the other Micro$oft gimmics that are opperable on one platform, these are just cheap stunt marketing tools. Granted Oracle is available on multiple platforms. But take it from me, once you have had a serious look at Oracle and you find you have to set memory allocation after memory allocation for every little piece of the DB, you soon lose the desire to set up additional databases. As I said, I do this for a living, and if the MySQL market was as big (moneywise) I would leave the Oracle realm in a heart beat. Besides, I recently read an article on a benchmark test of several of the top leading databases conducted by Zif Davis, you know that large computer magazine corp, those guys do not bow down to M$, Oracle or any of the other big names, they report the facts as they find them, regardless of the name. Read more about this here: http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s=708a=23115,00.asp So to be honest, I (again let me point out that I KNOW what I am talking about) see little or NO danger for MySQL v's Oracle, and as I just read in a email sent to this list, Oracle chances is pricing repeatedly one moment it was per seat, then it was per processing power of the system and the story goes on. Oracle is NOT, nor will it be FREE any time soon, and I am talking YEARS! Regards, - Charles McGrotty Intelliweb Technologies, You know you want IT? Visit Intelliweb Technologies for all your hosting requirements. http://www.intelliwebtech.com -Original Message- From: Francesca Shiekh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 25 March 2002 18:56 To: MadProfessor; 'Richard Forgo'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE At 05:29 PM 3/25/2002 -0600, MadProfessor wrote: Here's a couple I've dug up: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020117/sfth035_1.html http://www.devx.com/judgingjava/articles/javaone/report2.asp (Flat out SAYS ORACLE IS FREE!) I took a quick look at this site and I don't see anything that says the database is free... I can find Oracle 9iAS downloadable for free... that's the Application Server, you then need the Database to go with it... Moreover, I wouldn't trust using it for production... Oracle has a history of changing the pricing on people and claiming that you have to pay more money if you want to continue using their product because the licensing changed... They may give it to you free this year, next year you'll find yourself with a large bill! Just read these: http://www.idg.net.nz/pressroom.nsf/UNID/8DCAE02D7BD89FD6CC256B8100822FB 0!opendocument http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/175426.html http://www.crmdaily.com/perl/story/16852.html http://news.com.com/2100-1001-864135.html There are many more... I think MySql is here to stay even if Larry should decide to give it all away for free... database, applications etc. There are always the consulting and support fees, and anyone who worked with Oracle Apps knows you can't do a damn thing without support! ..And if you want to take less than 5 years to implement the system you better have consultants on board and a staff of 2 people per module in house! $0.02 as someone else put it... Francesca And of course, let's not forget http://www.oracle.com (Just go to downloads, register your info and try downloading ANYTHING) I PROMISE YOU, oh non believers, that you'll believe me after you read those articles, and then try downloading 9i from Oracle. You don't even have to download it, just start it and watch it go! Cheers, VJ MPZ -Original Message- From: Richard Forgo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:02 PM To: 'MadProfessor'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE Did Big Larry go open source? This is news to me. If you have more details, please provide the list a link to share that info. Rik Forgo JIST3 Army Test Training Investment Conference (ATTIC) Diverse Technologies Corp. (c) 410.852.7420 (h) 410.859.8474 -Original Message- From: MadProfessor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Impact of Free ORACLE Just curious what everyone thinks the impact on MySQL will be now that Oracle is free? - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: Impact of Free ORACLE
Here is what the MadProfessor needs to do: 1. Contact you local Oracle Marketing Rep. He will set you straight on licensing and pricing. 2. Go read the Oracle9iAS Data Sheet. Notice that they use Apache and throw in couple of their own candy wrappers called mods. Oracle9iAS does not include the Oracle Database. And oh yes, Wireless Personalization enablement is not included. That is extra! I think the CD ROM is free! Tongue in cheek. John Wubbel John Wubbel Consulting Being a Oracle Database Admin myself, I have to say that MySQL is far better, it is just as fast when configured right, just as flexiable when the scripting is done right and the real icing on the cake is it is HONESTLY, TRUTHFULLY, TOTALLY FREE! If I could I would make the place where I work switch over, I am a great lover of Open Source, forget ASP, IIS, and all the other Micro$oft gimmics that are opperable on one platform, these are just cheap stunt marketing tools. Granted Oracle is available on multiple platforms. But take it from me, once you have had a serious look at Oracle and you find you have to set memory allocation after memory allocation for every little piece of the DB, you soon lose the desire to set up additional databases. As I said, I do this for a living, and if the MySQL market was as big (moneywise) I would leave the Oracle realm in a heart beat. Besides, I recently read an article on a benchmark test of several of the top leading databases conducted by Zif Davis, you know that large computer magazine corp, those guys do not bow down to M$, Oracle or any of the other big names, they report the facts as they find them, regardless of the name. Read more about this here: http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s=708a=23115,00.asp So to be honest, I (again let me point out that I KNOW what I am talking about) see little or NO danger for MySQL v's Oracle, and as I just read in a email sent to this list, Oracle chances is pricing repeatedly one moment it was per seat, then it was per processing power of the system and the story goes on. Oracle is NOT, nor will it be FREE any time soon, and I am talking YEARS! Regards, - Charles McGrotty Intelliweb Technologies, You know you want IT? Visit Intelliweb Technologies for all your hosting requirements. http://www.intelliwebtech.com -Original Message- From: Francesca Shiekh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 25 March 2002 18:56 To: MadProfessor; 'Richard Forgo'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE At 05:29 PM 3/25/2002 -0600, MadProfessor wrote: Here's a couple I've dug up: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020117/sfth035_1.html http://www.devx.com/judgingjava/articles/javaone/report2.asp (Flat out SAYS ORACLE IS FREE!) I took a quick look at this site and I don't see anything that says the database is free... I can find Oracle 9iAS downloadable for free... that's the Application Server, you then need the Database to go with it... Moreover, I wouldn't trust using it for production... Oracle has a history of changing the pricing on people and claiming that you have to pay more money if you want to continue using their product because the licensing changed... They may give it to you free this year, next year you'll find yourself with a large bill! Just read these: http://www.idg.net.nz/pressroom.nsf/UNID/8DCAE02D7BD89FD6CC256B8100822FB 0!opendocument http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/175426.html http://www.crmdaily.com/perl/story/16852.html http://news.com.com/2100-1001-864135.html There are many more... I think MySql is here to stay even if Larry should decide to give it all away for free... database, applications etc. There are always the consulting and support fees, and anyone who worked with Oracle Apps knows you can't do a damn thing without support! ..And if you want to take less than 5 years to implement the system you better have consultants on board and a staff of 2 people per module in house! $0.02 as someone else put it... Francesca And of course, let's not forget http://www.oracle.com (Just go to downloads, register your info and try downloading ANYTHING) I PROMISE YOU, oh non believers, that you'll believe me after you read those articles, and then try downloading 9i from Oracle. You don't even have to download it, just start it and watch it go! Cheers, VJ MPZ -Original Message- From: Richard Forgo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:02 PM To: 'MadProfessor'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE Did Big Larry go open source? This is news to me. If you have more details, please provide the list a link to share that info. Rik Forgo JIST3 Army Test Training Investment Conference (ATTIC) Diverse Technologies Corp. (c) 410.852.7420 (h) 410.859.8474 -Original Message- From
RE: Impact of Free ORACLE
Ok, Ok, KIDZ, I get it. I had just heard from a rather reliable pair of sources that the oracle system was free, so I thought I'd ask you cats if you had any thoughts Now I get endless buillshit sarcasm, instead of the simple 1 or 2 people pointing out that I'm wrong. The rest of you guys who thought you were being original by giving me shit as if we were on slashdot need to realize there's no call for all that. I was trying to find out more about how everyone felt. I still run MySQL on my servers, and while I was interested in how Oracle works, I wasn't about to switch, so don't feel like you need to be questioning my geekiness, nor my interest in free software or open source. End fucking rant, have a nice day. VJ MadProfessor - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: Impact of Free ORACLE
To answer your question I don't think the fabled price slash of Oracle will have any impact on MySQL or its community. Surely you can understand that since this is a mailing list, any posts of such titillating rumors will get a large response. I'd also like to add that after having used MySQL for two years and corresponding with the very helpful people behind MySQL AB, I'd be hard pressed to find a better, more stable database with the wonderful support that comes from the whole community. Oracle will continue to be slowly abandoned as the decision makers choose open source and low (no) cost over proprietary and stupendous costs. Larry has enough cash to hold him over for the rest of his life, but even so I'm sure he could get his hands in the mix with the soon to be developing third world corporations who will need ways to manage their livestock. I for one will be glad to see those inflated price tags go. THBBTHT! -Original Message- From: MadProfessor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 8:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Charles McGrotty' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Impact of Free ORACLE Ok, Ok, KIDZ, I get it. I had just heard from a rather reliable pair of sources that the oracle system was free, so I thought I'd ask you cats if you had any thoughts Now I get endless buillshit sarcasm, instead of the simple 1 or 2 people pointing out that I'm wrong. The rest of you guys who thought you were being original by giving me shit as if we were on slashdot need to realize there's no call for all that. I was trying to find out more about how everyone felt. I still run MySQL on my servers, and while I was interested in how Oracle works, I wasn't about to switch, so don't feel like you need to be questioning my geekiness, nor my interest in free software or open source. End fucking rant, have a nice day. VJ MadProfessor - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
