Re: Sun bought by Oracle
Waiting for more interesting points. On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Manish Gupta manish.in@gmail.comwrote: http://www.sun.com/third-party/global/oracle/ anyone saw this ?? On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:54 AM, John Meyer john.l.me...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. In particular the anti-trust division of the DOJ. Kaushal Shriyan wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:14 PM, John Meyer john.l.me...@gmail.com mailto:john.l.me...@gmail.com wrote: I'm wondering what the DOJ is going to think of that deal. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=kaushalshri...@gmail.com DOJ ? does it mean Department of Justice ? Kaushal -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=manish.in@gmail.com -- Manish Gupta Follow me on twitter: twitter.com/nimbus3000 -- I'm a MySQL DBA in china. More about me just visit here: http://yueliangdao0608.cublog.cn
Re: Sun bought by Oracle
Arthur Fuller wrote: I think that you'e being paranoid. IMO, Oracle will continue to support and develop mySQL. Further, I think that these concerns about the future of mySQL overlook the points behind the purchase: 1. To obtain the Sun hardware and thus provide a complete hardware and software solution. 2. To further optimize Oracle to take full advantage of the Solaris OS. 3. To continue to support Linux. 4. To get Java and thus penetrate the mobile device marketplace. 5. And finally, to grow Oracle revenues by $1B+ a year and growing. Given the purchase price, the acquisition will pay for itself within 5 years. Compared to all these reasons, the mySQL part of the acquisition is small potatoes. Arthur On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Curtis Maurand cur...@maurand.com wrote: I figure that they'll either kill mysql or they'll limit the commnunity version in ways that will make you purchase a commercial version if you want to continue to use it. I figure there will be heavy migrations to open source alternatives. --C Andy Shellam wrote: I've just been made aware by a client that Oracle have purchased Sun Microsystems. The article below on Sun's website mentions that Oracle are committed to Linux and other open platforms and mentions the fact that Java touches practically every business system around. http://www.sun.com/third-party/global/oracle/index.jsp I wonder what Oracle's plans are when it comes to MySQL? There is no mention of MySQL in the above article. Will it eventually come under the Oracle umbrella, much like BerkeleyDB did? -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=fuller.art...@gmail.com I know this is the MySQL list but there is another Sun product that this effects and that is VirtualBox. I've used MySQL for years and hope Oracle does not stop it, but you never know with Ellison encharge! Just my 2 cents. -- -- OpenSUSE 11.1 KDE 4.1.3, Intel DX48BT2 Core 2 Dual E7200. 4 GB DDR III GeForce 8400 GS, 320GB Disc (2) --- Russ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Sun bought by Oracle
I too am a big entusiast of Sun's VirtualBox, and I hope that nothing goes sideways on this product. A. effects and that is VirtualBox. I've used MySQL for years and hope Oracle does not stop it, but you never know with Ellison encharge! Just my 2 cents. -- -- OpenSUSE 11.1 KDE 4.1.3, Intel DX48BT2 Core 2 Dual E7200. 4 GB DDR III GeForce 8400 GS, 320GB Disc (2) --- Russ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=fuller.art...@gmail.com I know this is the MySQL list but there is another Sun product that this
RE: Sun bought by Oracle
I hope I start getting paid what Oracle DBA's make. -Original Message- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:fuller.art...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:04 PM To: russbucket Cc: mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: Re: Sun bought by Oracle I too am a big entusiast of Sun's VirtualBox, and I hope that nothing goes sideways on this product. A. effects and that is VirtualBox. I've used MySQL for years and hope Oracle does not stop it, but you never know with Ellison encharge! Just my 2 cents. -- -- OpenSUSE 11.1 KDE 4.1.3, Intel DX48BT2 Core 2 Dual E7200. 4 GB DDR III GeForce 8400 GS, 320GB Disc (2) --- Russ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=fuller.art...@gmail.com I know this is the MySQL list but there is another Sun product that this -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Sun bought by Oracle
Whats the future of 'MySQL' under Oracle ? On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Andy Shellam andy-li...@networkmail.euwrote: I've just been made aware by a client that Oracle have purchased Sun Microsystems. The article below on Sun's website mentions that Oracle are committed to Linux and other open platforms and mentions the fact that Java touches practically every business system around. http://www.sun.com/third-party/global/oracle/index.jsp I wonder what Oracle's plans are when it comes to MySQL? There is no mention of MySQL in the above article. Will it eventually come under the Oracle umbrella, much like BerkeleyDB did? -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=prajapat...@gmail.com -- Krishna Chandra Prajapati
Re: Sun bought by Oracle
Only time will tell what will happen, but I have read a few articles saying Oracle had been interested specifically in buying MySQL from Sun as it gives them an open source DB offering (which they dont have now right?), and that brings with it contact with potential customers for support or non-free solutions etc... However that was from the internet press so its all just rumours and supositions ;) cheers Andy. Quoting Krishna Chandra Prajapati prajapat...@gmail.com: Whats the future of 'MySQL' under Oracle ? -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Sun bought by Oracle
At 08:31 AM 4/20/2009, you wrote: Only time will tell what will happen, but I have read a few articles saying Oracle had been interested specifically in buying MySQL from Sun as it gives them an open source DB offering (which they dont have now right?), and that brings with it contact with potential customers for support or non-free solutions etc... However that was from the internet press so its all just rumours and supositions ;) cheers Andy. Quoting Krishna Chandra Prajapati prajapat...@gmail.com: Whats the future of 'MySQL' under Oracle ? A lot depends on whether MySQL can make money for Oracle and not encroach on their Oracle sales. Will they continue developing MySQL cluster as open source? I hope so. But I worry about the fact that they have competing products and they could fork MySQL into open source (community supported) and their own maintained MySQL version like Borland did with Interbase and Firebird. I think IBM would have been a much better partner than Oracle. Mike -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Sun bought by Oracle
I figure that they'll either kill mysql or they'll limit the commnunity version in ways that will make you purchase a commercial version if you want to continue to use it. I figure there will be heavy migrations to open source alternatives. --C Andy Shellam wrote: I've just been made aware by a client that Oracle have purchased Sun Microsystems. The article below on Sun's website mentions that Oracle are committed to Linux and other open platforms and mentions the fact that Java touches practically every business system around. http://www.sun.com/third-party/global/oracle/index.jsp I wonder what Oracle's plans are when it comes to MySQL? There is no mention of MySQL in the above article. Will it eventually come under the Oracle umbrella, much like BerkeleyDB did? -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Sun bought by Oracle
At 08:22 AM 4/20/2009, Krishna Chandra Prajapati wrote: Whats the future of 'MySQL' under Oracle ? Here is a blog on ZDNet in case anyone is interested. http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=16598tag=nl.e539 Mike -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Sun bought by Oracle
I think that you'e being paranoid. IMO, Oracle will continue to support and develop mySQL. Further, I think that these concerns about the future of mySQL overlook the points behind the purchase: 1. To obtain the Sun hardware and thus provide a complete hardware and software solution. 2. To further optimize Oracle to take full advantage of the Solaris OS. 3. To continue to support Linux. 4. To get Java and thus penetrate the mobile device marketplace. 5. And finally, to grow Oracle revenues by $1B+ a year and growing. Given the purchase price, the acquisition will pay for itself within 5 years. Compared to all these reasons, the mySQL part of the acquisition is small potatoes. Arthur On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Curtis Maurand cur...@maurand.com wrote: I figure that they'll either kill mysql or they'll limit the commnunity version in ways that will make you purchase a commercial version if you want to continue to use it. I figure there will be heavy migrations to open source alternatives. --C Andy Shellam wrote: I've just been made aware by a client that Oracle have purchased Sun Microsystems. The article below on Sun's website mentions that Oracle are committed to Linux and other open platforms and mentions the fact that Java touches practically every business system around. http://www.sun.com/third-party/global/oracle/index.jsp I wonder what Oracle's plans are when it comes to MySQL? There is no mention of MySQL in the above article. Will it eventually come under the Oracle umbrella, much like BerkeleyDB did? -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=fuller.art...@gmail.com
Re: Sun bought by Oracle
... the points behind the purchase: 1. To obtain the Sun hardware and thus provide a complete hardware and software solution. 2. To further optimize Oracle to take full advantage of the Solaris OS. 3. To continue to support Linux. 4. To get Java and thus penetrate the mobile device marketplace. 5. And finally, to grow Oracle revenues by $1B+ a year and growing. Given the purchase price, the acquisition will pay for itself within 5 years. An optimist wrote that. A pessimist, Larry Dignan at http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=16598tag=nl.e539, wrote point six: Oracle gets to kill MySQL. There's no way Ellison will let that open source database mess with the margins of his database. MySQL at best will wither from neglect. In any case, MySQL is MyToast. We ought to know who's right within half a year. PB - Arthur Fuller wrote: I think that you'e being paranoid. IMO, Oracle will continue to support and develop mySQL. Further, I think that these concerns about the future of mySQL overlook the points behind the purchase: 1. To obtain the Sun hardware and thus provide a complete hardware and software solution. 2. To further optimize Oracle to take full advantage of the Solaris OS. 3. To continue to support Linux. 4. To get Java and thus penetrate the mobile device marketplace. 5. And finally, to grow Oracle revenues by $1B+ a year and growing. Given the purchase price, the acquisition will pay for itself within 5 years. Compared to all these reasons, the mySQL part of the acquisition is small potatoes. Arthur On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Curtis Maurand cur...@maurand.com wrote: I figure that they'll either kill mysql or they'll limit the commnunity version in ways that will make you purchase a commercial version if you want to continue to use it. I figure there will be heavy migrations to open source alternatives. --C Andy Shellam wrote: I've just been made aware by a client that Oracle have purchased Sun Microsystems. The article below on Sun's website mentions that Oracle are committed to Linux and other open platforms and mentions the fact that Java touches practically every business system around. http://www.sun.com/third-party/global/oracle/index.jsp I wonder what Oracle's plans are when it comes to MySQL? There is no mention of MySQL in the above article. Will it eventually come under the Oracle umbrella, much like BerkeleyDB did? -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=fuller.art...@gmail.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.1/2069 - Release Date: 04/20/09 10:36:00
RE: Sun bought by Oracle
From: Peter Brawley [mailto:peter.braw...@earthlink.net] An optimist wrote that. A pessimist, Larry Dignan at http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=16598tag=nl.e539, wrote point six: Oracle gets to kill MySQL. There's no way Ellison will let that open source database mess with the margins of his database. MySQL at best will wither from neglect. In any case, MySQL is MyToast. We ought to know who's right within half a year. Is MySQL not Open Source? Heck, I'd love to help with that. We would just have to change the name to something befitting the product. MySQL still tickles my MS warning alerts; My Pictures, My Music, My Videos, etc. How about 'GNO', pronounced like 'Know', stands for GNO's Not Oracle? The information contained in this message and any attachment may be proprietary, confidential, and privileged or subject to the work product doctrine and thus protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by replying to this message and deleting it and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Sun bought by Oracle
I don't think the purchase was about MySQL at all. I'm sure Oracle is far more interested in java, zfs, and solaris than they are MySQL. MySQL is just an added bonus that will go well with their acquisition of Innobase Oy a few years ago. Oracle didn't kill InnoDB and it's not very likely that they will kill MySQL. If you walk around the user conference this week you will see why it would be incredibly stupid try to try kill MySQL. Not that companies like Percona would let that happen anyway. After all it is GPL. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:02 AM, michael.coll-ba...@verizonwireless.com wrote: From: Peter Brawley [mailto:peter.braw...@earthlink.net] An optimist wrote that. A pessimist, Larry Dignan at http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=16598tag=nl.e539, wrote point six: Oracle gets to kill MySQL. There's no way Ellison will let that open source database mess with the margins of his database. MySQL at best will wither from neglect. In any case, MySQL is MyToast. We ought to know who's right within half a year. Is MySQL not Open Source? Heck, I'd love to help with that. We would just have to change the name to something befitting the product. MySQL still tickles my MS warning alerts; My Pictures, My Music, My Videos, etc. How about 'GNO', pronounced like 'Know', stands for GNO's Not Oracle? The information contained in this message and any attachment may be proprietary, confidential, and privileged or subject to the work product doctrine and thus protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by replying to this message and deleting it and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=eric.ber...@gmail.com -- Eric Bergen eric.ber...@provenscaling.com http://www.provenscaling.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Sun bought by Oracle
I'm wondering what the DOJ is going to think of that deal. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Sun bought by Oracle
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:14 PM, John Meyer john.l.me...@gmail.com wrote: I'm wondering what the DOJ is going to think of that deal. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=kaushalshri...@gmail.com DOJ ? does it mean Department of Justice ? Kaushal
Re: Sun bought by Oracle
We are talking of financial moves here. I think nothing will be touched at least for first years, I don't see product or services overlapping. Oracle is one thing, MySQL another. If they are so crazy to 'shut-down' MySQL, the second after there would be the fork, MySQL could be 'closed', but the community is and will always be open. I, myself, I would stop using MySQL immediately and switch to drizzle or any other fork, or any other open project. Cheers Claudio Eric Bergen wrote: I don't think the purchase was about MySQL at all. I'm sure Oracle is far more interested in java, zfs, and solaris than they are MySQL. MySQL is just an added bonus that will go well with their acquisition of Innobase Oy a few years ago. Oracle didn't kill InnoDB and it's not very likely that they will kill MySQL. If you walk around the user conference this week you will see why it would be incredibly stupid try to try kill MySQL. Not that companies like Percona would let that happen anyway. After all it is GPL. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:02 AM, michael.coll-ba...@verizonwireless.com wrote: From: Peter Brawley [mailto:peter.braw...@earthlink.net] An optimist wrote that. A pessimist, Larry Dignan at http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=16598tag=nl.e539, wrote point six: Oracle gets to kill MySQL. There's no way Ellison will let that open source database mess with the margins of his database. MySQL at best will wither from neglect. In any case, MySQL is MyToast. We ought to know who's right within half a year. Is MySQL not Open Source? Heck, I'd love to help with that. We would just have to change the name to something befitting the product. MySQL still tickles my MS warning alerts; My Pictures, My Music, My Videos, etc. How about 'GNO', pronounced like 'Know', stands for GNO's Not Oracle? The information contained in this message and any attachment may be proprietary, confidential, and privileged or subject to the work product doctrine and thus protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by replying to this message and deleting it and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=eric.ber...@gmail.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Sun bought by Oracle
Quite frankly, if MySQL gets neglected in the future, I'll switch to PostgreSQL, as simple as that. However, the acquisition of Sun does place Oracle in an interesting market position - the enterprise Apple as mentioned in the ZDNet article. Let's see and hope the best. Cheers, Michael On 21/04/2009, at 6:16 AM, Claudio Nanni wrote: We are talking of financial moves here. I think nothing will be touched at least for first years, I don't see product or services overlapping. Oracle is one thing, MySQL another. If they are so crazy to 'shut-down' MySQL, the second after there would be the fork, MySQL could be 'closed', but the community is and will always be open. I, myself, I would stop using MySQL immediately and switch to drizzle or any other fork, or any other open project. Cheers Claudio -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Sun bought by Oracle
Yep. In particular the anti-trust division of the DOJ. Kaushal Shriyan wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:14 PM, John Meyer john.l.me...@gmail.com mailto:john.l.me...@gmail.com wrote: I'm wondering what the DOJ is going to think of that deal. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=kaushalshri...@gmail.com DOJ ? does it mean Department of Justice ? Kaushal -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Sun bought by Oracle
http://www.sun.com/third-party/global/oracle/ anyone saw this ?? On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:54 AM, John Meyer john.l.me...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. In particular the anti-trust division of the DOJ. Kaushal Shriyan wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:14 PM, John Meyer john.l.me...@gmail.com mailto:john.l.me...@gmail.com wrote: I'm wondering what the DOJ is going to think of that deal. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=kaushalshri...@gmail.com DOJ ? does it mean Department of Justice ? Kaushal -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=manish.in@gmail.com -- Manish Gupta Follow me on twitter: twitter.com/nimbus3000
