Re: SCO issue
Hi Jigal, all, On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 17:30, Jigal van Hemert wrote: Schalk Neethling wrote: You guys should subscribe to the Planet MySQL RSS feed. The entire issue was cleared up there by a member of the MySQL AB staff. http://www.planetmysql.org/ Maybe the MySQL AB staff could take the trouble of answering posts about this issue on this list? Maybe the anouncement could be made here? After all, if there is a new version the news is posted here and MySQL AB staff regularly answer technical question on this list... Indeed. And not a problem. Nothing to hide, no conspiracy here ;-) I think the discussion here has hinged on the nature of the partnership. Let me assure you that no money has gone towards SCO. They have provided us with the means to build and support binaries on SCO OpenServer 6. So they're paying us for... developing our software, which is all GPL licensed (yes we do sell non-GPL licenses as well, for the same code). Knowing this fact (SCO funding GPLed development), most people regard the partnership with a benign smile ;-) The other issue I spotted was about commercial binaries. Users with OpenServer 6 get a trial subscription to our MySQL Network subscription service. These are certified binaries, but still GPL licensed. Non-GPL (aka commercial) binaries are an optional (but free) extra under MySQL Network. That option exists mainly to assist companies where using GPL-licensed software runs into policy problems, etc. We do also sell non-GPL licenses separately from MySQL Network, to OEM/embedded customers. I hope this clarifies the situation to your satisfaction. If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask me. Regards, Arjen. -- Arjen Lentz, Community Relations Manager MySQL AB, www.mysql.com MySQL related blogs @ http://www.planetmysql.org/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCO issue
Schalk Neethling wrote: You guys should subscribe to the Planet MySQL RSS feed. The entire issue was cleared up there by a member of the MySQL AB staff. http://www.planetmysql.org/ Maybe the MySQL AB staff could take the trouble of answering posts about this issue on this list? Maybe the anouncement could be made here? After all, if there is a new version the news is posted here and MySQL AB staff regularly answer technical question on this list... Regards, Jigal. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SCO issue
pissed I would like someone from MySQL AB to clarify issue with SCO asap. I wouldn't like to use technologies for my business that later could be used against me (in legal sense). Does MySQL AB understand that it helps funding their legal cases against us (GPL users) ? If someone feels OK with SCO partnership, good luck, but (being long time MySQL user and alpha bug reporter) I would switch to Embedded PostgreSQL myself and encourage other people to do the same. I use _tons_ of GPL software so should I help funding of my own annoyance (albeit poorly supported with facts) ? /pissed mirza -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCO issue
__ Mirza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/09/2005 14:31:12: pissed I would like someone from MySQL AB to clarify issue with SCO asap. I wouldn't like to use technologies for my business that later could be used against me (in legal sense). Does MySQL AB understand that it helps funding their legal cases against us (GPL users) ? If someone feels OK with SCO partnership, good luck, but (being long time MySQL user and alpha bug reporter) I would switch to Embedded PostgreSQL myself and encourage other people to do the same. I use _tons_ of GPL software so should I help funding of my own annoyance (albeit poorly supported with facts) ? /pissed All the press releases I have seen appear to originate from SCO. There is not, in any of them, any suggestion that money has passed or will pass from MySQL to SCO. SCO has for a long time been one of the many varieties of Unix that MySQL supports. MySQL cannot stop SCO from distributing their product (hypocritically) under the GPL. On the other hand, if they allow SCO to include offical releases of MySQL, they may get some support customers - which is where they earn their real income. The press blurbs are essentially saying that SCO resellers will market MySQL Network - to the benefit of MySQL. If there is any money flow, I would have thought it would be more likely to be the other way: SCO paying MySQL to ensure that one of the premier Unix applications remains supported on their platform. Of course, MySQL may say otherwise, but I think this is a piece of SCO hype intended to imply MySQL support of SCO when all they are really doing is supporting their own product on whatever platform their customers may choose - even when that platform is marketed by a company who many of us find totally repulsive. If you let yourself be hyped into dropping MySQL, you will be harming a company that is, in my opinion, a model of how to provide full commercial quality software (or better) with an Open Source licence, while not (I think) harming SCO in any way. Alec Cawley -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Here is the official link: http://www.sco.com/products/openserver6/mysql.html SCO states that they will distribute MySQL with a commercial license. According to this they do not plan to stick with GPL... Bye Bgs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: __ Mirza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/09/2005 14:31:12: pissed I would like someone from MySQL AB to clarify issue with SCO asap. I wouldn't like to use technologies for my business that later could be used against me (in legal sense). Does MySQL AB understand that it helps funding their legal cases against us (GPL users) ? If someone feels OK with SCO partnership, good luck, but (being long time MySQL user and alpha bug reporter) I would switch to Embedded PostgreSQL myself and encourage other people to do the same. I use _tons_ of GPL software so should I help funding of my own annoyance (albeit poorly supported with facts) ? /pissed All the press releases I have seen appear to originate from SCO. There is not, in any of them, any suggestion that money has passed or will pass from MySQL to SCO. SCO has for a long time been one of the many varieties of Unix that MySQL supports. MySQL cannot stop SCO from distributing their product (hypocritically) under the GPL. On the other hand, if they allow SCO to include offical releases of MySQL, they may get some support customers - which is where they earn their real income. The press blurbs are essentially saying that SCO resellers will market MySQL Network - to the benefit of MySQL. If there is any money flow, I would have thought it would be more likely to be the other way: SCO paying MySQL to ensure that one of the premier Unix applications remains supported on their platform. Of course, MySQL may say otherwise, but I think this is a piece of SCO hype intended to imply MySQL support of SCO when all they are really doing is supporting their own product on whatever platform their customers may choose - even when that platform is marketed by a company who many of us find totally repulsive. If you let yourself be hyped into dropping MySQL, you will be harming a company that is, in my opinion, a model of how to provide full commercial quality software (or better) with an Open Source licence, while not (I think) harming SCO in any way. Alec Cawley -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCO issue
Mirza wrote: pissed I would like someone from MySQL AB to clarify issue with SCO asap. I wouldn't like to use technologies for my business that later could be used against me (in legal sense). Does MySQL AB understand that it helps funding their legal cases against us (GPL users) ? If someone feels OK with SCO partnership, good luck, but (being long time MySQL user and alpha bug reporter) I would switch to Embedded PostgreSQL myself and encourage other people to do the same. I use _tons_ of GPL software so should I help funding of my own annoyance (albeit poorly supported with facts) ? /pissed mirza This is the part that gets me: As part of the agreement, the companies will work together on a range of joint marketing, sales, training, business development and support programs that will benefit customers throughout the Americas, Europe and Asia. I suppose it depends on how much 'joint work' is actually involved. As another poster pointed out, this could just be SCO up to their usual spin. But I agree with you - if this is some kind of special business relationship, then Postgres is looking all the more inviting. No press release from MySQL yet ... it would look interesting above their 'Novell to Offer MySQL Network' news article :) Clearly one is as newsworthy as the other. -- Daniel Kasak IT Developer NUS Consulting Group Level 5, 77 Pacific Highway North Sydney, NSW, Australia 2060 T: (+61) 2 9922-7676 / F: (+61) 2 9922 7989 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: http://www.nusconsulting.com.au -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sep 5, 2005, at 3:10 PM, Daniel Kasak wrote: This is the part that gets me: As part of the agreement, the companies will work together on a range of joint marketing, sales, training, business development and support programs that will benefit customers throughout the Americas, Europe and Asia. I suppose it depends on how much 'joint work' is actually involved. As another poster pointed out, this could just be SCO up to their usual spin. But I agree with you - if this is some kind of special business relationship, then Postgres is looking all the more inviting. MySQL AB doing work for SCO is one thing, partnership would be much a different matter which would then lead me to agree that looking at Pg would be a good idea. Hopefully MySQL AB will make all this clear one way or the other ... Rich Allen Dare Do
Re: SCO issue
You guys should subscribe to the Planet MySQL RSS feed. The entire issue was cleared up there by a member of the MySQL AB staff. http://www.planetmysql.org/ Rich Allen wrote: On Sep 5, 2005, at 3:10 PM, Daniel Kasak wrote: This is the part that gets me: As part of the agreement, the companies will work together on a range of joint marketing, sales, training, business development and support programs that will benefit customers throughout the Americas, Europe and Asia. I suppose it depends on how much 'joint work' is actually involved. As another poster pointed out, this could just be SCO up to their usual spin. But I agree with you - if this is some kind of special business relationship, then Postgres is looking all the more inviting. MySQL AB doing work for SCO is one thing, partnership would be much a different matter which would then lead me to agree that looking at Pg would be a good idea. Hopefully MySQL AB will make all this clear one way or the other ... Rich Allen Dare Do -- Kind Regards Schalk Neethling Web Developer.Designer.Programmer.President Volume4.Business.Solution.Developers emotionalize.conceptualize.visualize.realize Landlines Tel: +27125468436 Fax: +27125468436 Web email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Global: www.volume4.com Messenger Yahoo!: v_olume4 AOL: v0lume4 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We support OpenSource Get Firefox!- The browser reloaded - http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender and please delete all traces of this material from all devices. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCO issue
Schalk Neethling wrote: You guys should subscribe to the Planet MySQL RSS feed. The entire issue was cleared up there by a member of the MySQL AB staff. http://www.planetmysql.org/ The argument is given that this is all about helping out the SCO users. A counter argument is that by doing so you are attacking Linux and open-source users by giving credibility to SCO, as well as defending SCO's user base. However, there are a lot more Linux and open-source users than SCO users - thankfully. Also, considering Linux is freely available, how difficult is it really for SCO users to get MySQL running? Can't figure out how to compile MySQL on SCO ... fine ... download and install Linux, and get a Linux binary. I suspect the deal has more to do with MySQL and SCO than with lowly users. -- Daniel Kasak IT Developer NUS Consulting Group Level 5, 77 Pacific Highway North Sydney, NSW, Australia 2060 T: (+61) 2 9922-7676 / F: (+61) 2 9922 7989 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: http://www.nusconsulting.com.au -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
