Fw: Antwort: mySQL is winning
I didn't receive this e-mail back after I sent it... - Original Message - From: "Fábio Ottolini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Paul DuBois" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Fowler, J.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 7:20 PM Subject: Re: Antwort: mySQL is winning > One thing that I have learned on the corporate market is that huge companies > prefer to pay huge amounts of money than to bet on a product that is new and > almost for free. Quality in this case is secondary and what happens behind > the scenes is what is taken into consideration. An IT Director doesn't feel > comfortable to say to a huge enterprise that they are going to migrate to an > open source database. Again, quality is not the problem. If something goes > wrong people will always say: "If I have stayed with Oracle this would never > happend!" That's bullshit. We all know that but have to face the facts and > learn to live with them, learn to dodge'em. > Of course Oracle is worried about MySQL. They have enough reasons for that. > At the moment I'm trying to use MySQL inside a HUGE (really HUGE) company > and the answers that I receive from the IT Department is something like: > "We'll be not responsible if anything goes wrong." NOBODY wants to put their > faces at the combat front but still I'm trying... Future will show the truth > and people who believe in open source and MySQL have to be prepared for this > kind of situations. I don't expect my company to forget about their > agreement with other companies just because the open source comunity says > MySQL is good. News like NASA using MySQL and some small movements here and > there are going to put MySQL against the wall. If I can put MySQL to work > inside this company and people start to hear about it they are going to > consider it in the future for big things. > If MySQL is good, and I truly believe that it is, we are going to hear the > trumpets of victory very soon. So, if you are a MySQL addicted like I am, > don't worry. It takes time to prove that something is good but once it's > done it's just a matter of maintaining the name and the quality of the > astonishing product that MySQL is today. > > Best regards, > > Fábio Ottolini > > ----- Original Message - > From: "Paul DuBois" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Fowler, J.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: Antwort: mySQL is winning > > > > On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 04:21:15PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > On 01.02.2001 14:54:11 Fowler, J.T. wrote: > > > > > > > Migration Kit for MySQL to Oracle on Linux Now Available. > > > > > > > > Moving just got easier with the new MySQL-to-Oracle Migration > Workbench-the > > > > ideal migration software for developers who want to migrate > open-source > > > > database on Linux to Oracle on Red Hat Linux 6.2. > > > > > > Hmm?? In how far is MySQL winning? Isn't that a sign that it's losing? > I > > > mean, if this were a Oracle-To-MySQL kit, I would understand you > > > > > > The announcement is an explicit indicator that Oracle has taken notice of > > the MySQL world, and felt a need to respond. - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: mySQL IS winning
> "RH" == Rolf Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: RH> That also depends on your definition of *PRODUCTION* status. If you are RH> going to make a profit using MySQL then you need to purchase a license. Not any more; MySQL is GPL in the current version. - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: mySQL IS winning
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:06:14AM +0800, Rolf Hopkins wrote: > > Well, even so, if you are going to make a profit from it, you should > purchase some sort of support, right? and it really isn't that > expensive, either. I won't argue with that. :-) -- Jeremy D. Zawodny, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Technical Yahoo - Yahoo Finance Desk: (408) 328-7878Fax: (408) 530-5454 Cell: (408) 439-9951 - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: mySQL IS winning
Well, even so, if you are going to make a profit from it, you should purchase some sort of support, right? and it really isn't that expensive, either. - Original Message - From: "Jeremy D. Zawodny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Rolf Hopkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Brad Christensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dickson Alastair T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Christopher Bone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 10:50 Subject: Re: mySQL IS winning > On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 10:11:49AM +0800, Rolf Hopkins wrote: > > > > That also depends on your definition of *PRODUCTION* status. If you > > are going to make a profit using MySQL then you need to purchase a > > license. > > Not if you use the GPL versions. > -- > Jeremy D. Zawodny, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Technical Yahoo - Yahoo Finance > Desk: (408) 328-7878Fax: (408) 530-5454 > Cell: (408) 439-9951 - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: mySQL IS winning
> If you are going to make a profit using MySQL then you need to > purchase a license. No you don't. - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: mySQL IS winning
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 10:11:49AM +0800, Rolf Hopkins wrote: > > That also depends on your definition of *PRODUCTION* status. If you > are going to make a profit using MySQL then you need to purchase a > license. Not if you use the GPL versions. -- Jeremy D. Zawodny, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Technical Yahoo - Yahoo Finance Desk: (408) 328-7878Fax: (408) 530-5454 Cell: (408) 439-9951 - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: mySQL IS winning
That also depends on your definition of *PRODUCTION* status. If you are going to make a profit using MySQL then you need to purchase a license. - Original Message - From: "Brad Christensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dickson Alastair T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Christopher Bone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 3:35 Subject: RE: mySQL IS winning > Having worked with Oracle products for several years, their licensing policy > is essentially as follows: > > Development licenses are generally free, as is indicated below with the > individual who got his *free* copy of Oracle. > > However, as soon as a system moves to *PRODUCTION* status, the database must > be licensed, including add-on such as OPS (Oracle Parallel Server) etc... > If you are running a *PRODUCTION* application on your *free* development > license, you are in violation of the license agreement. > > The following licensing structure covers only the core database, but this > will probably change with Oracle's introduction of 9i (which is really only > version 8.2, which is still new, repackaged with some changes in the > licensing). > > NAMED USER > This is only allowed if you can *PROVE* that only those named users > will be able to connect to the database. Since this doesn't apply to Web > applications, I'll skip this section. > > POWER UNIT LICENSING > This is the method required for most implementations. > > RISC (such as Sun, HP, Digital, etc...) > # of CPU's X MHZ Rating X 1.5 (RISC Factor) X $100 > INTEL (such as for Linux) > # of CPU's X MHZ Rating X $100 > > Examples: > SUN Ultra-10 with 1 433-MHZ cpu > 1 X 433 X 1.5 X $100 = $64, 950 > SUN 220-R with 2 433-MHZ cpu's > 2 X 433 X 1.5 X $100 = $129,900 > > INTEL Box with 2 PIII 800-MHZ cpu's > 2 X 800 X $100 = $160,000 > > Granted these examples are very basic, and are based on Oracle's current > *RETAIL* pricing, but this will give you the general idea, and this doesn't > include maintenance fees. > > These costs may seem exorbitant, but you don't buy a Ferrari to carry you > two blocks down the street to buy groceries. Likewise, you don't take a > free bicycle to race in the Indy 500. Every cost is justified in the proper > application. MySQL is not the solution for all applications just as using > Oracle may be over-kill in some applications. > > For what it is worth... > > Brad L. Christensen > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.center7.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: John Cichy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:26 AM > To: Dickson Alastair T; Christopher Bone > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: mySQL IS winning > > > On Thursday 01 February 2001 11:43, Dickson Alastair T wrote: > > > > >But you still have to buy the ORACLE software right? > >> > >> Nope. I got my Enterprise Edition Oracle8i free. > >> > >> The *support and training* is paid for (ooouch, very expensive), > >> unlike mysql (free and from "the horses mouth") > >> > >> :) > >> > >> If you have lots of memory, processing power, time etc... > >> Download 8i for Linux (Registration Reqd)at: > >> http://technet.oracle.com/software/products/oracle8i/software_index.htm > > > JOHN CICHY WROTE: > > >I'm not sure about this but isn't this a developers version, i.e. free to > >build your application, but if you want to deploy... > > >I was going to check the link you offered, but it asked for a password and > >userid. > > > >-- > >Have a great day... > >John > > - > Before posting, please check: >http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) >http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) > > To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To unsubscribe, e-mail > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php > > - > Before posting, please check: >http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) >http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) > > To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: Antwort: mySQL is winning
One thing that I have learned on the corporate market is that huge companies prefer to pay huge amounts of money than to bet on a product that is new and almost for free. Quality in this case is secondary and what happens behind the scenes is what is taken into consideration. An IT Director doesn't feel comfortable to say to a huge enterprise that they are going to migrate to an open source database. Again, quality is not the problem. If something goes wrong people will always say: "If I have stayed with Oracle this would never happend!" That's bullshit. We all know that but have to face the facts and learn to live with them, learn to dodge'em. Of course Oracle is worried about MySQL. They have enough reasons for that. At the moment I'm trying to use MySQL inside a HUGE (really HUGE) company and the answers that I receive from the IT Department is something like: "We'll be not responsible if anything goes wrong." NOBODY wants to put their faces at the combat front but still I'm trying... Future will show the truth and people who believe in open source and MySQL have to be prepared for this kind of situations. I don't expect my company to forget about their agreement with other companies just because the open source comunity says MySQL is good. News like NASA using MySQL and some small movements here and there are going to put MySQL against the wall. If I can put MySQL to work inside this company and people start to hear about it they are going to consider it in the future for big things. If MySQL is good, and I truly believe that it is, we are going to hear the trumpets of victory very soon. So, if you are a MySQL addicted like I am, don't worry. It takes time to prove that something is good but once it's done it's just a matter of maintaining the name and the quality of the astonishing product that MySQL is today. Best regards, Fábio Ottolini - Original Message - From: "Paul DuBois" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Fowler, J.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:32 PM Subject: Re: Antwort: mySQL is winning > On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 04:21:15PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On 01.02.2001 14:54:11 Fowler, J.T. wrote: > > > > > Migration Kit for MySQL to Oracle on Linux Now Available. > > > > > > Moving just got easier with the new MySQL-to-Oracle Migration Workbench-the > > > ideal migration software for developers who want to migrate open-source > > > database on Linux to Oracle on Red Hat Linux 6.2. > > > > Hmm?? In how far is MySQL winning? Isn't that a sign that it's losing? I > > mean, if this were a Oracle-To-MySQL kit, I would understand you > > > The announcement is an explicit indicator that Oracle has taken notice of > the MySQL world, and felt a need to respond. > > - > Before posting, please check: >http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) >http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) > > To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php > > - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: mySQL IS winning
On Thursday 01 February 2001 11:43, Dickson Alastair T wrote: > > >But you still have to buy the ORACLE software right? > > Nope. I got my Enterprise Edition Oracle8i free. > > The *support and training* is paid for (ooouch, very expensive), > unlike mysql (free and from "the horses mouth") > > :) > > If you have lots of memory, processing power, time etc... > Download 8i for Linux (Registration Reqd)at: > http://technet.oracle.com/software/products/oracle8i/software_index.htm I'm not sure about this but isn't this a developers version, i.e. free to build your application, but if you want to deploy... I was going to check the link you offered, but it asked for a password and userid. -- Have a great day... John - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: mySQL IS winning
Having worked with Oracle products for several years, their licensing policy is essentially as follows: Development licenses are generally free, as is indicated below with the individual who got his *free* copy of Oracle. However, as soon as a system moves to *PRODUCTION* status, the database must be licensed, including add-on such as OPS (Oracle Parallel Server) etc... If you are running a *PRODUCTION* application on your *free* development license, you are in violation of the license agreement. The following licensing structure covers only the core database, but this will probably change with Oracle's introduction of 9i (which is really only version 8.2, which is still new, repackaged with some changes in the licensing). NAMED USER This is only allowed if you can *PROVE* that only those named users will be able to connect to the database. Since this doesn't apply to Web applications, I'll skip this section. POWER UNIT LICENSING This is the method required for most implementations. RISC (such as Sun, HP, Digital, etc...) # of CPU's X MHZ Rating X 1.5 (RISC Factor) X $100 INTEL (such as for Linux) # of CPU's X MHZ Rating X $100 Examples: SUN Ultra-10 with 1 433-MHZ cpu 1 X 433 X 1.5 X $100 = $64, 950 SUN 220-R with 2 433-MHZ cpu's 2 X 433 X 1.5 X $100 = $129,900 INTEL Box with 2 PIII 800-MHZ cpu's 2 X 800 X $100 = $160,000 Granted these examples are very basic, and are based on Oracle's current *RETAIL* pricing, but this will give you the general idea, and this doesn't include maintenance fees. These costs may seem exorbitant, but you don't buy a Ferrari to carry you two blocks down the street to buy groceries. Likewise, you don't take a free bicycle to race in the Indy 500. Every cost is justified in the proper application. MySQL is not the solution for all applications just as using Oracle may be over-kill in some applications. For what it is worth... Brad L. Christensen Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.center7.com -Original Message- From: John Cichy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:26 AM To: Dickson Alastair T; Christopher Bone Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mySQL IS winning On Thursday 01 February 2001 11:43, Dickson Alastair T wrote: > > >But you still have to buy the ORACLE software right? >> >> Nope. I got my Enterprise Edition Oracle8i free. >> >> The *support and training* is paid for (ooouch, very expensive), >> unlike mysql (free and from "the horses mouth") >> >> :) >> >> If you have lots of memory, processing power, time etc... >> Download 8i for Linux (Registration Reqd)at: >> http://technet.oracle.com/software/products/oracle8i/software_index.htm JOHN CICHY WROTE: >I'm not sure about this but isn't this a developers version, i.e. free to >build your application, but if you want to deploy... >I was going to check the link you offered, but it asked for a password and >userid. >-- >Have a great day... >John - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: mySQL IS winning
>But you still have to buy the ORACLE software right? Nope. I got my Enterprise Edition Oracle8i free. The *support and training* is paid for (ooouch, very expensive), unlike mysql (free and from "the horses mouth") :) If you have lots of memory, processing power, time etc... Download 8i for Linux (Registration Reqd)at: http://technet.oracle.com/software/products/oracle8i/software_index.htm -- Alastair Dickson ICL ===
Re: Antwort: mySQL is winning
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 04:21:15PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 01.02.2001 14:54:11 Fowler, J.T. wrote: > > > Migration Kit for MySQL to Oracle on Linux Now Available. > > > > Moving just got easier with the new MySQL-to-Oracle Migration Workbench-the > > ideal migration software for developers who want to migrate open-source > > database on Linux to Oracle on Red Hat Linux 6.2. > > Hmm?? In how far is MySQL winning? Isn't that a sign that it's losing? I > mean, if this were a Oracle-To-MySQL kit, I would understand you The announcement is an explicit indicator that Oracle has taken notice of the MySQL world, and felt a need to respond. - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: mySQL is winning
> "AS" == Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: AS> Well, I still don't get it - why should I want to shell out a huge AS> amount of money? I mean, your post would fit a lot better, if AS> this was a Oracle mailinglist The point, I beleive, is that Oracle finds MySQL such a threat to their business that they have to put out a migration kit to make it easy for people to switch to their product. It shows that the popularity of MySQL is being taken seriously by the majors. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D.Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Antwort: mySQL is winning
On 01.02.2001 14:54:11 Fowler, J.T. wrote: > Migration Kit for MySQL to Oracle on Linux Now Available. > > Moving just got easier with the new MySQL-to-Oracle Migration Workbench-the > ideal migration software for developers who want to migrate open-source > database on Linux to Oracle on Red Hat Linux 6.2. Hmm?? In how far is MySQL winning? Isn't that a sign that it's losing? I mean, if this were a Oracle-To-MySQL kit, I would understand you - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: mySQL is winning
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 09:17:13AM -0600, Fowler, J.T. wrote: > My error - I had the [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL in my notepad not the correct > ORACLE link > > For news about how to "FOR FREE" convert from mySQL to ORACLE: > > http://www.oracle.com/ip/deploy/database/featurestory/index.html?mysql.html But the tool is a hopeless waste of space (IMHO). Tim. - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: mySQL is winning
So sprach Fowler, J.T. am Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 09:17:13AM -0600: > My error - I had the [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL in my notepad not the correct > ORACLE link Well, I still don't get it - why should I want to shell out a huge amount of money? I mean, your post would fit a lot better, if this was a Oracle mailinglist Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 day 20 hours 13 minutes - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
mySQL is winning
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