[mythtv-users] Some Suggestions for MythTV
All, Since, for my budget, I was unable to make MythTV “wife-proof,” as it has been called here, (actually, I was unable even to make it work at all), I thought I would give some suggestions that will help others looking to make a MythBox more successful. So, here it goes… First, if you want your computer to be next to a TV, then you have a few options: a) Don’t care about the noise and the look of a computer outside of your Entertainment Center (any spot in an entertainment center with less than the front and back removed will make the computer heat up too much. b) Be ready to modify your entertainment center to allow for plenty of air circulation. c) Get a VERY cool box with VERY quiet fans with VERY quiet hard drives. It would be very difficult to spend too much money on quiet hardware for the Myth box. Secondly, you should probably not try to use your Myth box for standard computing, UNLESS, a) You don’t care about actually reading text. This goes for both HDTVs and Standard Television sets. Normally, you can read the text if you have standard out, but this is simply because the text is so big and the resolution so bad. Keep in mind that Standard TVs only have around 525 scanlines (something like a 480 visible vertical pixel dimension). This is probably unacceptable for most people trying to double the Myth box with standard computing. The only way to actually get a decent resolution is to modulate the high resolution to a NTSC signal. This can be done using a standard RF Modulator (usually used for changing video inputs from digital [svideo, composite, etc] to analog [coax RF]). However, if you do this, you will not be able to read the text on screen (unless it is scaled larger like Myth does in its frontend). With HDTV, while much sharper, many TVs only support 720p which is also much lower resolution than most people are used to. This lets you use the HDTV to do standard computing (like word processing, etc), but you are very limited on screen real estate. Just don’t be surprised if you can’t double the Myth box as a computing station. b) You have something like VNC that you can use to remote into the box. However, this requires another computer, so it kind of defeats the purpose. c) You set up the computer, connect it to a Monitor (Variable sync rates) and keyboard and make the primary setup be used for standard computing. You can still hook up your cable or antenna to it and use it to record video. The recorded video / live tv could then be watched on the monitor or over a network to a computer that can be hooked up to a TV. With that said, if you are dedicating the box to be *just* a Myth box (and nothing else), you’ll probably be alright, but be prepared for some work. If you aren’t using KnoppMyth, or something similar (which is curious, because KnoppMyth didn’t set up the pcHDTV 3000 card correctly either), then expect some work ahead of you. Most of the hardware that I got seemed to work well and without problems. I did struggle with the Chaintech AV-710 7.1 Surround Sound card, but most people on this list seemed to have an easy time with it. Also, I was using the pcHDTV card to capture TV. A few suggestions… Fedora Core 3 compiled and loaded the pcHDTV V4L drivers without a problem. This was also true for Suse 9.2 and Suse 9.3. However, for whatever reason, while I could record video with the bundled command line utility for the pcHDTV, I could not get MythTV to recognize the device correctly. With Fedora Core 4, the DVB drivers were included with the distro and were much easier to get working the the V4L drivers, mostly due to the fact that MythTV actually recognized them. Also, I was using the ndiswrapper package with a D-LINK Extreme G PCI Wireless card (and the latest D-LINK driver) and I was able to 108 Mbps wireless. This was great, because I could basically watch LiveTV, DVD, even some HDTV over the wireless network (but not in Myth). Anyway, my plans for my Myth box is still to keep Myth running but set it up as a standard computer that runs the Myth backend so that video can record, but if I want to watch Live TV it will have to be on the monitor not my 32” HDTV. If I want to watch a recorded video, I can watch it on the monitor, or I can copy the recording to a USB 2.0 external harddrive (2.5”), plug it in to my laptop, connect my laptop to the HDTV and be ready to watch. So, while I am not decommissioning my Myth box, I am changing it’s place in the house… away from the entertainment center and into the office. Sorry about the long email, but I’ve seen a number of people asking about building Myth boxen lately and I thought that these suggestions would be helpful. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, Brandon ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mytht
[mythtv-users] HDTV Video Modes with MythTV
At first, I thought the clarity of the 1080i (540p in some cases) is actually better than the NTSC output. However, after playing with things, I'm not sure this is the case. Most of the clarity seems to come from simply having such a low resolution (the text is huge). Sure, there are quite a bit of clarity enhancements, but seeing as the resolution is so low, I wonder if it is really worth it. I can crank my resolution up, modulate it to NTSC, and I get more screen real estate, the picture quality (for an average video user) are very close (admittedly, the 1080i/540p is better), but by how much and is it really worth it? What does everyone think? Thanks, Brandon ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] ALSA Sound and Video Modes
Yup -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Ford Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 9:34 PM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] ALSA Sound and Video Modes Do you have 'IEC958 Output' turned on in Alsamixer? Mike Ford On Sunday 31 July 2005 8:21 pm, Brandon Rogers wrote: > If this helps on the sound question, if I switch over to the standard audio > out jack, then I get sound as well. Seems like the sound is being routed > correctly over the SPDIF > > Thanks, > Brandon > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brandon Rogers > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 7:16 PM > To: 'Discussion about mythtv' > Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] ALSA Sound and Video Modes > > Thanks everyone who replied on this and helped out. The sound is still not > working, but holding my finger next to the optical out on the back of the > card shows light, so I suppose that it is working from the point of view of > my computer, anyway. My surround sound receiver isn't recognizing the > signal unfortunately. I guess the only three possible problems is that the > sound is being encoded in a way that the receiver doesn't understand, the > light isn't actually carrying any sound and I still have a configuration > problem, or the receiver has a broken optical in (which has never been used > before, so who knows...). I think (hope) it is probably the second or > first one, but I'll keep playing with it. If you have ANY suggestions, I'm > pleased to receive them. > > Also, at first, I thought the clarity of the 1080i (540p in some cases) is > actually better than the NTSC output. However, after playing with things, > I'm not sure this is the case. Most of the clarity seems to come from > simply having such a low resolution (the text is huge). Sure, there is > *some* clarity enhancements, but seeing as the resolution is so low, I > wonder if it is really worth it. I can crank my resolution up, modulate it > to NTSC, and I get more screen real estate, the picture quality (for an > average video user) are very close (admittedly, the 1080i/540p is better), > but by how much and is it really worth it? What does everyone think? > > Thanks, > Brandon > > PS. I am piping the video to an HDTV over DVI->HDMI. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Ford > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:57 PM > To: Discussion about mythtv > Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] ALSA Sound > > Create a .asoundrc file with the following and place it into the home > directory of the myth user. Then use ALSA:default or ALSA:spdif in Mythtv > and Mythmusic. Also, make sure you turn off "Multi Track Rate Locking" if > enabled or you will get sound output at the wrong speed. This will > effectively output all sound through your optical out so your > receiver/processor can do all the work. > > pcm.!default { > type plug > slave.pcm "cards.pcm.iec958" > } > > pcm.!spdif { > type plug > slave.pcm "cards.pcm.iec958" > } > > pcm.!iec958 { > type plug > slave { > pcm "hw:0,1" > format S32_LE > } > } > > Mike Ford > > On Sunday 31 July 2005 1:41 pm, Brandon Rogers wrote: > > All, > > > > I know this has probably been talked about before, but since > > after 2 days of searching Google and trying "solutions" others have > > posted, > > > I will come back and ask a question (which has probably already been > > asked 1000 times). I have the Chaintech AV710 soundcard which seems like > > a popular card due to its price/performance. How do I get this card's > > optical out to work with my Surround Sound Amplifier? Does it output 5.1 > > Surround? If so, what do I need to do to get it to work? I've read the > > MythTV Fedora HowTO and the links off that page in attempt to get the > > sound > > > to work. I've replaced a zillion alsa sound files, but still doesn't > > work. > > > If I route the sound to PCM out, I can hear it off the Line Out port. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help! > > > > Brandon > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] ALSA Sound and Video Modes
If this helps on the sound question, if I switch over to the standard audio out jack, then I get sound as well. Seems like the sound is being routed correctly over the SPDIF Thanks, Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brandon Rogers Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 7:16 PM To: 'Discussion about mythtv' Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] ALSA Sound and Video Modes Thanks everyone who replied on this and helped out. The sound is still not working, but holding my finger next to the optical out on the back of the card shows light, so I suppose that it is working from the point of view of my computer, anyway. My surround sound receiver isn't recognizing the signal unfortunately. I guess the only three possible problems is that the sound is being encoded in a way that the receiver doesn't understand, the light isn't actually carrying any sound and I still have a configuration problem, or the receiver has a broken optical in (which has never been used before, so who knows...). I think (hope) it is probably the second or first one, but I'll keep playing with it. If you have ANY suggestions, I'm pleased to receive them. Also, at first, I thought the clarity of the 1080i (540p in some cases) is actually better than the NTSC output. However, after playing with things, I'm not sure this is the case. Most of the clarity seems to come from simply having such a low resolution (the text is huge). Sure, there is *some* clarity enhancements, but seeing as the resolution is so low, I wonder if it is really worth it. I can crank my resolution up, modulate it to NTSC, and I get more screen real estate, the picture quality (for an average video user) are very close (admittedly, the 1080i/540p is better), but by how much and is it really worth it? What does everyone think? Thanks, Brandon PS. I am piping the video to an HDTV over DVI->HDMI. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Ford Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:57 PM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] ALSA Sound Create a .asoundrc file with the following and place it into the home directory of the myth user. Then use ALSA:default or ALSA:spdif in Mythtv and Mythmusic. Also, make sure you turn off "Multi Track Rate Locking" if enabled or you will get sound output at the wrong speed. This will effectively output all sound through your optical out so your receiver/processor can do all the work. pcm.!default { type plug slave.pcm "cards.pcm.iec958" } pcm.!spdif { type plug slave.pcm "cards.pcm.iec958" } pcm.!iec958 { type plug slave { pcm "hw:0,1" format S32_LE } } Mike Ford On Sunday 31 July 2005 1:41 pm, Brandon Rogers wrote: > All, > > I know this has probably been talked about before, but since > after 2 days of searching Google and trying "solutions" others have posted, > I will come back and ask a question (which has probably already been asked > 1000 times). I have the Chaintech AV710 soundcard which seems like a > popular card due to its price/performance. How do I get this card's > optical out to work with my Surround Sound Amplifier? Does it output 5.1 > Surround? If so, what do I need to do to get it to work? I've read the > MythTV Fedora HowTO and the links off that page in attempt to get the sound > to work. I've replaced a zillion alsa sound files, but still doesn't work. > If I route the sound to PCM out, I can hear it off the Line Out port. > > > > Thanks for your help! > > Brandon ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] ALSA Sound and Video Modes
Thanks everyone who replied on this and helped out. The sound is still not working, but holding my finger next to the optical out on the back of the card shows light, so I suppose that it is working from the point of view of my computer, anyway. My surround sound receiver isn't recognizing the signal unfortunately. I guess the only three possible problems is that the sound is being encoded in a way that the receiver doesn't understand, the light isn't actually carrying any sound and I still have a configuration problem, or the receiver has a broken optical in (which has never been used before, so who knows...). I think (hope) it is probably the second or first one, but I'll keep playing with it. If you have ANY suggestions, I'm pleased to receive them. Also, at first, I thought the clarity of the 1080i (540p in some cases) is actually better than the NTSC output. However, after playing with things, I'm not sure this is the case. Most of the clarity seems to come from simply having such a low resolution (the text is huge). Sure, there is *some* clarity enhancements, but seeing as the resolution is so low, I wonder if it is really worth it. I can crank my resolution up, modulate it to NTSC, and I get more screen real estate, the picture quality (for an average video user) are very close (admittedly, the 1080i/540p is better), but by how much and is it really worth it? What does everyone think? Thanks, Brandon PS. I am piping the video to an HDTV over DVI->HDMI. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Ford Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:57 PM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] ALSA Sound Create a .asoundrc file with the following and place it into the home directory of the myth user. Then use ALSA:default or ALSA:spdif in Mythtv and Mythmusic. Also, make sure you turn off "Multi Track Rate Locking" if enabled or you will get sound output at the wrong speed. This will effectively output all sound through your optical out so your receiver/processor can do all the work. pcm.!default { type plug slave.pcm "cards.pcm.iec958" } pcm.!spdif { type plug slave.pcm "cards.pcm.iec958" } pcm.!iec958 { type plug slave { pcm "hw:0,1" format S32_LE } } Mike Ford On Sunday 31 July 2005 1:41 pm, Brandon Rogers wrote: > All, > > I know this has probably been talked about before, but since > after 2 days of searching Google and trying "solutions" others have posted, > I will come back and ask a question (which has probably already been asked > 1000 times). I have the Chaintech AV710 soundcard which seems like a > popular card due to its price/performance. How do I get this card's > optical out to work with my Surround Sound Amplifier? Does it output 5.1 > Surround? If so, what do I need to do to get it to work? I've read the > MythTV Fedora HowTO and the links off that page in attempt to get the sound > to work. I've replaced a zillion alsa sound files, but still doesn't work. > If I route the sound to PCM out, I can hear it off the Line Out port. > > > > Thanks for your help! > > Brandon ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] ALSA Sound
All, I know this has probably been talked about before, but since after 2 days of searching Google and trying “solutions” others have posted, I will come back and ask a question (which has probably already been asked 1000 times). I have the Chaintech AV710 soundcard which seems like a popular card due to its price/performance. How do I get this card’s optical out to work with my Surround Sound Amplifier? Does it output 5.1 Surround? If so, what do I need to do to get it to work? I’ve read the MythTV Fedora HowTO and the links off that page in attempt to get the sound to work. I’ve replaced a zillion alsa sound files, but still doesn’t work. If I route the sound to PCM out, I can hear it off the Line Out port. Thanks for your help! Brandon ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] nVidia FX 5200 (Chaintech)
Thanks for all your feedback. I guess I should have been more specific. The ChainTech nVidia FX 5200 card I have has a DVI output, a VGA output, and an Video output (It’s not an S-Video connector, just an RCA jack video connection). I wonder if 1080i can be output using the RCA jack or should I get a DVI-HDMI cable for the connection? Thanks, Brandon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brandon Rogers Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 6:58 AM To: 'Discussion about mythtv' Subject: [mythtv-users] nVidia FX 5200 (Chaintech) Does anyone have an nVidia FX5200 card that is putting 1080i output to an HDTV? Does this have to be done via the DVI port or can you output 1080i through the video port? Thanks, Brandon ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] nVidia FX 5200 (Chaintech)
Does anyone have an nVidia FX5200 card that is putting 1080i output to an HDTV? Does this have to be done via the DVI port or can you output 1080i through the video port? Thanks, Brandon ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: Questions from a MythTV newbie
Thanks, David for you comments. I found out that I had a bad firmware file. I replaced it and the scan started working as it should. I do have another question, though... Do the DVB drivers need a stronger signal than the v4l drivers? I've noticed that when I use the v4l drivers with xine, I get several (about 10) HD channels) in the area. My HDTV also receives about that many. However, when I do a scan with the DVB drivers, I only get one channel locked and tuned. Does that sound strange? Also, I do have a pretty cheesy antenna, but it seems to work well enough for me right now. What kind of antenna setups (rotating attic setups, outdoor stationary mounts, etc) does everyone have? Thanks, Brandon -Original Message- From: David ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 8:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: Questions from a MythTV newbie I've got the HD3000 going on MythTV. Typically if you do a scan for channels - it will find some. If its not - sounds like an Antenna issue. Do you have an /dev/dvb/adapter0 directory with lots of devices in it? (frontend etc) Are the permissions appropriate for the account your running myth under? You mention tuning with xine previously - I'm assuming you mean before you switched to DVB? Can you post your dmesg output? Maybe your tuner is bombing out. As I said - I've got two of these cards running well in the Toronto Area - and I'm pulling channels from 40km away (From Buffalo) so the cards do work with Myth. Just need to do some tweaking. David On 28-Jul-05, at 8:32 PM, Brandon Rogers wrote: > I take the silence as meaning that no one knows what I'm talking > about... > > Anyway, if anyone gets the DVB drivers working with the pcHDTV 3000 > and > Myth, let me know. I'll have a few questions on how you set up the > channels. (Like "How do you set up the channels?"). > > Thanks, > Brandon > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brandon Rogers > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:08 PM > To: 'Discussion about mythtv' > Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: Questions from a MythTV > newbie > > YEAH!!! I downloaded and installed FC4 and Myth liked my card with > the DVB > drivers!! (Thanks, Tom!) However, I still can't watch TV and I > think it is > because of the channel settings. I download only the "DT" channel > listings > from zap2it. They show up in the program guide, but don't show up in > MythTVSetup's Channel Editor. I tried the Channel Scan, but it > couldn't > find any signals to lock on to, but I know there is an OTA HD > signal in my > area that I have viewing previous with xine. I remember a message > somewhere > about needing to modify the channel frequencies to get it to work, > because > Zap2it doesn't include the right ones. I just can't seem to find > the note. > Anyone have any tips for tuning to the right channels on the pcHDTV > 3000? > > Thanks, > Brandon > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom E. > Craddock Jr. > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 10:21 PM > To: Discussion about mythtv > Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: Questions from a MythTV > newbie > > Brandon Rogers wrote: > > >> All, >> So, I am starting to wonder if MythTV has support >> for HD broadcasts on a pcHDTV. Here's what I've >> done... >> I've tried to get it to say that it was trying to >> tune to channel 3.1 again, but I can't figure out what >> I did. I used the DVB drivers, the atsc drivers, you >> name it. MythTV doesn't recognize the HD side of the >> card. I decided to jump ship from FC3 and installed >> KnoppMyth hoping that it would just work. No again. >> This time, luckily, it detected the card and set it up >> correctly in the Card setup. However, when I try to >> add an input connection to the card, there is no card >> listed. If I were to add the NTSC side of the card, >> then I am able to match my listings to the inputs on >> the NTSC card, but not when I am using the DVB drivers >> or the ATSC drivers. >> I have tried almost every major Linux distro >> (Debian, FC, SuSE, KnoppMyth, Ubuntu) and I can't get >> MythTV to care about the card. I am positive that >> this is because I am missing some paradigm that >> everyone else seems to get. I've followed every HOWTO >> with the pcHDTV in it and Myth still won't run HD. >> Like I said earlier in this threa
RE: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: Questions from a MythTV newbie
I take the silence as meaning that no one knows what I'm talking about... Anyway, if anyone gets the DVB drivers working with the pcHDTV 3000 and Myth, let me know. I'll have a few questions on how you set up the channels. (Like "How do you set up the channels?"). Thanks, Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brandon Rogers Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:08 PM To: 'Discussion about mythtv' Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: Questions from a MythTV newbie YEAH!!! I downloaded and installed FC4 and Myth liked my card with the DVB drivers!! (Thanks, Tom!) However, I still can't watch TV and I think it is because of the channel settings. I download only the "DT" channel listings from zap2it. They show up in the program guide, but don't show up in MythTVSetup's Channel Editor. I tried the Channel Scan, but it couldn't find any signals to lock on to, but I know there is an OTA HD signal in my area that I have viewing previous with xine. I remember a message somewhere about needing to modify the channel frequencies to get it to work, because Zap2it doesn't include the right ones. I just can't seem to find the note. Anyone have any tips for tuning to the right channels on the pcHDTV 3000? Thanks, Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom E. Craddock Jr. Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 10:21 PM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: Questions from a MythTV newbie Brandon Rogers wrote: >All, > So, I am starting to wonder if MythTV has support >for HD broadcasts on a pcHDTV. Here's what I've >done... > I've tried to get it to say that it was trying to >tune to channel 3.1 again, but I can't figure out what >I did. I used the DVB drivers, the atsc drivers, you >name it. MythTV doesn't recognize the HD side of the >card. I decided to jump ship from FC3 and installed >KnoppMyth hoping that it would just work. No again. >This time, luckily, it detected the card and set it up >correctly in the Card setup. However, when I try to >add an input connection to the card, there is no card >listed. If I were to add the NTSC side of the card, >then I am able to match my listings to the inputs on >the NTSC card, but not when I am using the DVB drivers >or the ATSC drivers. > I have tried almost every major Linux distro >(Debian, FC, SuSE, KnoppMyth, Ubuntu) and I can't get >MythTV to care about the card. I am positive that >this is because I am missing some paradigm that >everyone else seems to get. I've followed every HOWTO >with the pcHDTV in it and Myth still won't run HD. >Like I said earlier in this thread, I can tune with >xine, so I know it works and it isn't a hardware >problem. > Can anyone PLEASE tell me if they have an OTA >pcHDTV setup working at all and if they are actually >viewing HDTV output? (If so, please describe what you >did, not just a "Mine works!" Also, I am just stuck >on how to configure MythTV to work with the pcHDTV >3000. So telling me how to get the packages with apt >or yum, won't help). I guess what I am asking is what >Myth is looking for because it is obviously something >different than either the pcHDTV drivers are making >available, or an inability of Myth to correctly read >the card. > >I'm really stuck, so if anyone has any suggestions, >I'm all ears. > >Thanks, >Brandon >--- Brandon Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Installed FC4, followed Jarod Wilsons guide, even tho its for FC3. Since FC4 is using a 2.12 kernel, all I needed to do as root was: modprobe cx88-dvb Checked dmesg and saw: cx2388x dvb driver version 0.0.4 loaded ACPI: PCI Interrupt :01:07.2[A] -> Link [LNK1] -> GSI 3 (level, low) -> IRQ 3 cx88[0]/2: found at :01:07.2, rev: 5, irq: 3, latency: 32, mmio: 0xe300 cx88[0]/2: cx2388x based dvb card DVB: registering new adapter (cx88[0]). DVB: registering frontend 1 (pcHDTV HD3000 HDTV)... Checked the permissions on /dev/dvb/adapter1 (as adapter0 is my air2pc card) : ll -h /dev/dvb/adapter1/ total 0 crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 212, 68 Jul 23 11:44 demux0 crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 212, 69 Jul 23 11:44 dvr0 crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 212, 67 Jul 23 11:44 frontend0 crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 212, 71 Jul 23 11:44 net0 All was good on the permissions (note, you may need to modify the permissions on the dev if you dont have rw access to it, and it may not survive a reboot, so youll have to add it to your init scripts) Fired up mythtv-setup and was able to config the pchdtv3k card with no issues. HTH Tom P.S. Oh yeah, this is for OTA HD broadcasts and I CAN watch and record off
RE: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: Questions from a MythTV newbie
YEAH!!! I downloaded and installed FC4 and Myth liked my card with the DVB drivers!! (Thanks, Tom!) However, I still can't watch TV and I think it is because of the channel settings. I download only the "DT" channel listings from zap2it. They show up in the program guide, but don't show up in MythTVSetup's Channel Editor. I tried the Channel Scan, but it couldn't find any signals to lock on to, but I know there is an OTA HD signal in my area that I have viewing previous with xine. I remember a message somewhere about needing to modify the channel frequencies to get it to work, because Zap2it doesn't include the right ones. I just can't seem to find the note. Anyone have any tips for tuning to the right channels on the pcHDTV 3000? Thanks, Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom E. Craddock Jr. Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 10:21 PM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: Questions from a MythTV newbie Brandon Rogers wrote: >All, > So, I am starting to wonder if MythTV has support >for HD broadcasts on a pcHDTV. Here's what I've >done... > I've tried to get it to say that it was trying to >tune to channel 3.1 again, but I can't figure out what >I did. I used the DVB drivers, the atsc drivers, you >name it. MythTV doesn't recognize the HD side of the >card. I decided to jump ship from FC3 and installed >KnoppMyth hoping that it would just work. No again. >This time, luckily, it detected the card and set it up >correctly in the Card setup. However, when I try to >add an input connection to the card, there is no card >listed. If I were to add the NTSC side of the card, >then I am able to match my listings to the inputs on >the NTSC card, but not when I am using the DVB drivers >or the ATSC drivers. > I have tried almost every major Linux distro >(Debian, FC, SuSE, KnoppMyth, Ubuntu) and I can't get >MythTV to care about the card. I am positive that >this is because I am missing some paradigm that >everyone else seems to get. I've followed every HOWTO >with the pcHDTV in it and Myth still won't run HD. >Like I said earlier in this thread, I can tune with >xine, so I know it works and it isn't a hardware >problem. > Can anyone PLEASE tell me if they have an OTA >pcHDTV setup working at all and if they are actually >viewing HDTV output? (If so, please describe what you >did, not just a "Mine works!" Also, I am just stuck >on how to configure MythTV to work with the pcHDTV >3000. So telling me how to get the packages with apt >or yum, won't help). I guess what I am asking is what >Myth is looking for because it is obviously something >different than either the pcHDTV drivers are making >available, or an inability of Myth to correctly read >the card. > >I'm really stuck, so if anyone has any suggestions, >I'm all ears. > >Thanks, >Brandon >--- Brandon Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Installed FC4, followed Jarod Wilsons guide, even tho its for FC3. Since FC4 is using a 2.12 kernel, all I needed to do as root was: modprobe cx88-dvb Checked dmesg and saw: cx2388x dvb driver version 0.0.4 loaded ACPI: PCI Interrupt :01:07.2[A] -> Link [LNK1] -> GSI 3 (level, low) -> IRQ 3 cx88[0]/2: found at :01:07.2, rev: 5, irq: 3, latency: 32, mmio: 0xe300 cx88[0]/2: cx2388x based dvb card DVB: registering new adapter (cx88[0]). DVB: registering frontend 1 (pcHDTV HD3000 HDTV)... Checked the permissions on /dev/dvb/adapter1 (as adapter0 is my air2pc card) : ll -h /dev/dvb/adapter1/ total 0 crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 212, 68 Jul 23 11:44 demux0 crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 212, 69 Jul 23 11:44 dvr0 crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 212, 67 Jul 23 11:44 frontend0 crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 212, 71 Jul 23 11:44 net0 All was good on the permissions (note, you may need to modify the permissions on the dev if you dont have rw access to it, and it may not survive a reboot, so youll have to add it to your init scripts) Fired up mythtv-setup and was able to config the pchdtv3k card with no issues. HTH Tom P.S. Oh yeah, this is for OTA HD broadcasts and I CAN watch and record off the pchdtv3k card. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: Questions from a MythTV newbie
All, So, I am starting to wonder if MythTV has support for HD broadcasts on a pcHDTV. Here's what I've done... I've tried to get it to say that it was trying to tune to channel 3.1 again, but I can't figure out what I did. I used the DVB drivers, the atsc drivers, you name it. MythTV doesn't recognize the HD side of the card. I decided to jump ship from FC3 and installed KnoppMyth hoping that it would just work. No again. This time, luckily, it detected the card and set it up correctly in the Card setup. However, when I try to add an input connection to the card, there is no card listed. If I were to add the NTSC side of the card, then I am able to match my listings to the inputs on the NTSC card, but not when I am using the DVB drivers or the ATSC drivers. I have tried almost every major Linux distro (Debian, FC, SuSE, KnoppMyth, Ubuntu) and I can't get MythTV to care about the card. I am positive that this is because I am missing some paradigm that everyone else seems to get. I've followed every HOWTO with the pcHDTV in it and Myth still won't run HD. Like I said earlier in this thread, I can tune with xine, so I know it works and it isn't a hardware problem. Can anyone PLEASE tell me if they have an OTA pcHDTV setup working at all and if they are actually viewing HDTV output? (If so, please describe what you did, not just a "Mine works!" Also, I am just stuck on how to configure MythTV to work with the pcHDTV 3000. So telling me how to get the packages with apt or yum, won't help). I guess what I am asking is what Myth is looking for because it is obviously something different than either the pcHDTV drivers are making available, or an inability of Myth to correctly read the card. I'm really stuck, so if anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears. Thanks, Brandon --- Brandon Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks. It seems like I've done this, but I'll > try > this when I get a chance. By the way, > can anyone post what device nodes are created for a > working pcHDTV 3000 DVB driver (one that you are > actually capturing OTA HD broadcasts on). Maybe > some > specs as well? Also, maybe exactly which options > you > chose in mythtvsetup? (ie Video Device is > /dev/dvb0.frontend0 or dvr0 or whatever). > I also adding in the DVB drivers earlier today and > selected pcHDTV in the capture card setup, but I > DIDN'T mention a device (just left it blank) and the > Television input showed up. Myth seemed to like it, > but mythfrontend freezes when I "Watch TV". The > message on the backend is that it was tuning to > channel 3 subchannel 1 (which no one is broadcasting > on, possibly explaining the freeze and if I can > figure > out how to change to a known working frequency, I > might have a good DVB setup). It was early this > morning, however, so I'll double check all this just > in case. > Anyway, is this correct? Seems strange that I > *don't* have to specify a device for it to work. > Maybe it's just a problem with me not understanding > the UI. Then again, maybe it's FC3 that isn't > playing > nicely with the DVB drivers. It could be that Myth > is > not looking at the correct device (and just thinks > that it is), which is causing the freeze up. > > Any thoughts? > -B > > --- Jack Perveiler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is the backend running when you enter > mythtv-setup? > > If so, I've found that it > > "owns" the DVB device and won't let mythtv-setup > > access it. Killing the > > backend and trying again worked. > > > > --Jack > > > > --- Brandon Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > David, > > > Thanks for the reply. I think my question was > > HOW > > > to use the DVB drivers in Myth. When I install > > the > > > DVB drivers, several DVB device nodes appear, > but > > when > > > I tell Myth that I have a DVB card installed it > > tells > > > me that it couldn't open the card. I believe > the > > > reason for this is simply that Myth is looking > for > > > certain device nodes set up in a certain way and > I > > > have no idea how Myth is trying to read the > card. > > Any > > > ideas? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brandon > > > > > > --- David Maher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I think you should use the DVB driver, don't > > worry > > > > about testing it with > > > > another program, if it's working myth will > > recognise &
RE: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: Questions from a MythTV newbie
Thanks. It seems like I've done this, but I'll try this when I get a chance. By the way, can anyone post what device nodes are created for a working pcHDTV 3000 DVB driver (one that you are actually capturing OTA HD broadcasts on). Maybe some specs as well? Also, maybe exactly which options you chose in mythtvsetup? (ie Video Device is /dev/dvb0.frontend0 or dvr0 or whatever). I also adding in the DVB drivers earlier today and selected pcHDTV in the capture card setup, but I DIDN'T mention a device (just left it blank) and the Television input showed up. Myth seemed to like it, but mythfrontend freezes when I "Watch TV". The message on the backend is that it was tuning to channel 3 subchannel 1 (which no one is broadcasting on, possibly explaining the freeze and if I can figure out how to change to a known working frequency, I might have a good DVB setup). It was early this morning, however, so I'll double check all this just in case. Anyway, is this correct? Seems strange that I *don't* have to specify a device for it to work. Maybe it's just a problem with me not understanding the UI. Then again, maybe it's FC3 that isn't playing nicely with the DVB drivers. It could be that Myth is not looking at the correct device (and just thinks that it is), which is causing the freeze up. Any thoughts? -B --- Jack Perveiler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is the backend running when you enter mythtv-setup? > If so, I've found that it > "owns" the DVB device and won't let mythtv-setup > access it. Killing the > backend and trying again worked. > > --Jack > > --- Brandon Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > David, > > Thanks for the reply. I think my question was > HOW > > to use the DVB drivers in Myth. When I install > the > > DVB drivers, several DVB device nodes appear, but > when > > I tell Myth that I have a DVB card installed it > tells > > me that it couldn't open the card. I believe the > > reason for this is simply that Myth is looking for > > certain device nodes set up in a certain way and I > > have no idea how Myth is trying to read the card. > Any > > ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > Brandon > > > > --- David Maher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I think you should use the DVB driver, don't > worry > > > about testing it with > > > another program, if it's working myth will > recognise > > > it when you select > > > the right card type in mythtvsetup and allow you > to > > > scan for channels. > > > One tip though, make sure mythbackend is not > running > > > when you set the > > > card up in mythtv, or else it won't be able to > scan > > > for channels, the > > > card will be busy. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > David Maher > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > > > Of David Sims > > > Sent: Friday, 22 July 2005 12:03 PM > > > To: Discussion about mythtv > > > Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: > Questions > > > from a MythTV newbie > > > > > > > > > Take a look at this thread: > > > > > > > > > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/135131? > > > > > > do=post_view_threaded > > > > > > Sounds like you might have the same problem. > > > > > > I think the long term answer is to figure out > how to > > > use the dvb > > > drivers. I'm still using the v4l drivers with > my > > > hd-3000, because > > > that's what I got working first and haven't > taken > > > the time to get the > > > dvb drivers working. I've had difficulty like > you > > > have with them, but > > > I honestly haven't spent much time on it. > > > > > > - David Sims > > > > > > On Jul 21, 2005, at 10:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > wrote: > > > > > > > All, > > > >I've been scanning the archives of this > list > > > for > > > > quite some time now and I had a few questions > > > > regarding the pcHDTV 3000 and it's > compatibility > > > with > > > > Myth on Fedora Core 3. > > > >I've compiled the drivers xine-hd (comes > with > > > the > > > > pcHDTV car
RE: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: Questions from a MythTV newbie
Using FC3, upgrading to the 2.6.12 kernel, kills the boot process (bad errors about not being able to load up the ext3 drivers). After rebuilding the initrd image, the boot works fine, but the DVB stuff doesn't insert correctly (errors about the device in the dmesg log). This is one of the reasons that I was staying with the 2.6.9 kernel. It's more stable for me, at least. I've already been through the pcHDTV stuff and still no dice. MythTV just read the DVB drivers. (An error something like: "Could not open DVB driver!"). I've actually recompiled the kernel (2.6.9 and 2.6.12) in various different ways to try to get it to work... Any other suggestions? Thanks, Brandon --- Marc Tousignant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:mythtv-users- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brandon Rogers > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:47 PM > > To: Discussion about mythtv > > Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: Questions > from a MythTV newbie > > > > David, > > Thanks for the reply. I think my question was > HOW > > to use the DVB drivers in Myth. When I install > the > > DVB drivers, several DVB device nodes appear, but > when > > I tell Myth that I have a DVB card installed it > tells > > me that it couldn't open the card. I believe the > > reason for this is simply that Myth is looking for > > certain device nodes set up in a certain way and I > > have no idea how Myth is trying to read the card. > Any > > ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > Brandon > > > > --- David Maher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I think you should use the DVB driver, don't > worry > > > about testing it with > > > another program, if it's working myth will > recognise > > > it when you select > > > the right card type in mythtvsetup and allow you > to > > > scan for channels. > > > One tip though, make sure mythbackend is not > running > > > when you set the > > > card up in mythtv, or else it won't be able to > scan > > > for channels, the > > > card will be busy. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > David Maher > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > > > Of David Sims > > > Sent: Friday, 22 July 2005 12:03 PM > > > To: Discussion about mythtv > > > Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: > Questions > > > from a MythTV newbie > > > > > > > > > Take a look at this thread: > > > > > > > > > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/135131? > > > > > > do=post_view_threaded > > > > > > Sounds like you might have the same problem. > > > > > > I think the long term answer is to figure out > how to > > > use the dvb > > > drivers. I'm still using the v4l drivers with > my > > > hd-3000, because > > > that's what I got working first and haven't > taken > > > the time to get the > > > dvb drivers working. I've had difficulty like > you > > > have with them, but > > > I honestly haven't spent much time on it. > > > > > > - David Sims > > > > > > On Jul 21, 2005, at 10:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > wrote: > > > > > > > All, > > > >I've been scanning the archives of this > list > > > for > > > > quite some time now and I had a few questions > > > > regarding the pcHDTV 3000 and it's > compatibility > > > with > > > > Myth on Fedora Core 3. > > > >I've compiled the drivers xine-hd (comes > with > > > the > > > > pcHDTV card) and tested HDTV reception and > NTSC > > > > reception. Both work great. I used xine to > test > > > the > > > > HDTV (ATSC) signals and tvtime to test NTSC. > I am > > > > using the v4l drivers, not the DVB drivers for > > > reasons > > > > I'll discuss in a second. > > > >When I load the v4l drivers (modprobe > > > cx88_atsc) > > > > the cx88xx drivers (NTSC) load as well as the > ATSC > > > > drivers. This creates several devices (duh), > > > namely /dev/vbi0, > > > > /dev/video0, and (I think) /
RE: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: Questions from a MythTV newbie
David, Thanks for the reply. I think my question was HOW to use the DVB drivers in Myth. When I install the DVB drivers, several DVB device nodes appear, but when I tell Myth that I have a DVB card installed it tells me that it couldn't open the card. I believe the reason for this is simply that Myth is looking for certain device nodes set up in a certain way and I have no idea how Myth is trying to read the card. Any ideas? Thanks, Brandon --- David Maher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think you should use the DVB driver, don't worry > about testing it with > another program, if it's working myth will recognise > it when you select > the right card type in mythtvsetup and allow you to > scan for channels. > One tip though, make sure mythbackend is not running > when you set the > card up in mythtv, or else it won't be able to scan > for channels, the > card will be busy. > > > Regards > > David Maher > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of David Sims > Sent: Friday, 22 July 2005 12:03 PM > To: Discussion about mythtv > Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: Questions > from a MythTV newbie > > > Take a look at this thread: > > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/135131? > > do=post_view_threaded > > Sounds like you might have the same problem. > > I think the long term answer is to figure out how to > use the dvb > drivers. I'm still using the v4l drivers with my > hd-3000, because > that's what I got working first and haven't taken > the time to get the > dvb drivers working. I've had difficulty like you > have with them, but > I honestly haven't spent much time on it. > > - David Sims > > On Jul 21, 2005, at 10:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > All, > >I've been scanning the archives of this list > for > > quite some time now and I had a few questions > > regarding the pcHDTV 3000 and it's compatibility > with > > Myth on Fedora Core 3. > >I've compiled the drivers xine-hd (comes with > the > > pcHDTV card) and tested HDTV reception and NTSC > > reception. Both work great. I used xine to test > the > > HDTV (ATSC) signals and tvtime to test NTSC. I am > > using the v4l drivers, not the DVB drivers for > reasons > > I'll discuss in a second. > >When I load the v4l drivers (modprobe > cx88_atsc) > > the cx88xx drivers (NTSC) load as well as the ATSC > > drivers. This creates several devices (duh), > namely /dev/vbi0, > > /dev/video0, and (I think) /dev/audio0. The ATSC > device is created as > > /dev/video1. To get xine to recognize /dev/video1 > as the ATSC driver, > > > I made a symbolic link to /dev/video1 called > /dev/dtv. > > This works great. However, when I try to set up > Myth > > to read this card (I am using Myth 0.18.1), the > ATSC > > card is not recognized. I can set up NTSC, but if > I > > erase all those card settings and try to set up an > > ATSC card, mythsetup just tells me that it > couldn't > > find inputs for the device (I know that they are > > there, though, because xine works great). I have > > tried to every possible combination of Global TV > > settings (NTSC with standard TV, ATSC with HDTV, > NTSC > > with HDTV, etc), just on a whim that it might > work. > > So why am I not using the DVB drivers? When I > load > > the pcHDTV DVB drivers (modprobe cx88_dvb), > several > > devices are created (/dev/dvb0.dvr0, > > /dev/dvb0.frontend0, etc). However, I don't know > how > > to use these devices and none of the programs from > > interpreting DVB seem to recognize or even look > for > > these devices. Since, I could test and the v4l > > drivers and confirm that they work, I went that > route. > > My system is built on the default FC3 load > (kernel > > 2.6.9), one pcHDTV card, nVidia FX 5200, 2.8 GHz > HT > > pentium 4, if that helps. I guess my real > question is > > what MythTV is looking for to discover the v4l > ATSC > > driver and if I should be using DVB drivers, how > > should I configure them? I installed Myth with > the > > RPMs available on atrpms (myth-suite package). > > If anyone could clear up the confusion that I'm > > having, that would be great! I would hate to have > to > > spend the time to rig up a pseudo-PVR replacement. > > > > Thanks! > > -B > > ___ > > mythtv-users mailing list > > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > > > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: Questions from a MythTV newbie
Could you explain how you got your HD working on your mythtv setup? Are you getting the same device nodes created as I am? Did Myth recognize them and know how to use them or are you just using NTSC signals from your digital cable set top box? Could you run me through how you set up MythTV? Like I said, Myth is working fine with v4l NTSC, but can't get the OTA HDTV channels working. Thanks, -B --- Greg Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 10:14 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > regarding the pcHDTV 3000 and it's compatibility > with > > Myth on Fedora Core 3. > > What have you got connected to this card? I have > this card and FC3, and > I use the v4l drivers, but that's because all I have > connected to the > card right now is analog cable. I suspect those who > know more than I who > can answer your question are also going to need to > know what you have > connected to the card. I use v4l because DVB only > works with digital > inputs, which of course analog cable is not. > > --Greg > > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] pcHDTV 3000: Questions from a MythTV newbie
I am receiving OTA HDTV, so just an antenna with a coax cable (not s-video/composite), so I suppose the answer is analog? Thanks! -B --- Greg Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 10:14 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > regarding the pcHDTV 3000 and it's compatibility > with > > Myth on Fedora Core 3. > > What have you got connected to this card? I have > this card and FC3, and > I use the v4l drivers, but that's because all I have > connected to the > card right now is analog cable. I suspect those who > know more than I who > can answer your question are also going to need to > know what you have > connected to the card. I use v4l because DVB only > works with digital > inputs, which of course analog cable is not. > > --Greg > > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users