[mythtv-users] DVB-T and DVB-S on same box

[James Pattinson]

Hi All

I have been running a mythTV system using a DVB-S card for a many months 
with great success. I can get all the free to air BBC channels.


I've now added a Freecom DVB-S adaptor, which is also working well. 
However I thought I would be able to "integrate" the two systems as 
there is a lot of channel overlap, but not all channels on -T are 
available on -S and vice versa.


How can I tell MythTV that, for example, BBC ONE is available on both 
cards, so it will let me record two things at once? It's channel 1 on 
the -T card and channel 6301 on the -S card.


Is this even supported? I was suprised to find that to even watch the 
new channels on my frontend, I had to switch tuners. I would have 
thought it could be more abstract than that. Why should the frontend 
care what tuner it users?


I get the feeling I'm missing something basic :D

Thanks
James

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Re: [mythtv-users] Xbox as FE

[James Pattinson]

Erik Pettersen wrote:


Why wouldn't you just look for an svideo->SCART adapter for the M10k?

Are there VGA->SCART adapters?  I'm on the wrong side of the pond to
have any first hand experience with SCART so forgive my ignorance ;)

*shrug* If you have an otherwise working setup with the m10k, unless
you're enjoying yourself working on the modded xbox... why not a
simple solution?
 

I did buy an S-Video to SCART adaptor, but the quality isn't hot. It 
seems to just convert the S-Video signal into the equivalent of a 
composite signal that SCART understands, so not RGB.


I found a VGA to SCART adaptor but it was about £70, and that's a bit of 
a risk without knowing what the quality is going to be like.


Also - running the FE on the Xbox will may end up being the more simple 
solution if it lets me get rid of the m10k box. Less stuff to clutter up 
the lounge :)


Cheers
James
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Re: [mythtv-users] Xbox as FE

[James Pattinson]

Phill Edwards wrote:


Lots on this in the archives so I'm not going to go into much detail
other than to say that another option to xebian is xbmcmythtv which is
a python script based GUI front end which runs in Xbox Media Centre.
Find it at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=128346
 

Thanks to everyone who replied so far - I am going to try Phill's 
suggestion as I like the idea of not have to reboot into Linux to run 
the front end. I already have a GentooX install on the Xbox that I could 
use if I find xbmcmythtv doesn't fit the bill for some reason.



One of the big advantages of this solution is that you don't have to
boot into Linux so startup times are a _lot_ quicker, plus it's
probably a bit easier to configure as it's just a few settings screens
- you don't have to worry about setting up a whole linux OS etc.
Downside is that the functionality is not as rich and you have to
download a patched mplayer to play files transcoded to MPEG4.
 

I don't think I'm using MPEG4 - it's the stream from the DVB transponder 
which I think is MPEG2 though I could be wrong!


Cheers,

James
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[mythtv-users] Xbox as FE

[James Pattinson]

Hi All

I am currently using minimyth on an EPIA-M as my frontend, and it 
generally works really well. However the connection to my TV is only 
Composite-out so the quality is not too hot (my TV doesn't do S-Video).


I do have an Xbox running XBMC connected to my TV via SCART and the 
quality when playing videos is great so I'd like to investigate the 
possibility of using it as my front end. Of course another benefit of 
this would be that I get remote control functionality for free, as I'm 
using a wireless keyboard at the moment.


However, most of the information I've found on the web is out of date, 
and the instructions at http://bit.blkbk.com/ refer to Xebian 1.0.3 
which I cannot locate at all.


So with this in mind, can anyone share their experiences of setting this 
up? Can the xbox hardware handle the load? My back end is saving the DVB 
transport stream straight to disk and i'm not transcoding anything.


Pros / Cons?

Cheers!

James
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Re: [mythtv-users] mythfilldatabase: can't run it from cron

[James Pattinson]

Nice one, that seems to work so far - but 
http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.dat is 404'ing for me now! 
I'm sure it was working a few days ago when I last grabbed. Anyone 
confirm it's working for them at the moment?


Thanks
james

Paul Wheeler wrote:


I had this same problem, using -quiet solves it.

Paul

On 9/19/05, *Nick* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:


On 19/09/05, James Pattinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I'm in the UK and mythfilldatabase works fine when I run it
manually,
> however if it's run from cron I get this error:
>
> 2005-09-19 13:31:02.190 New DB connection, total: 1
> 2005-09-19 13:31:02.201 New DB connection, total: 2
> 2005-09-19 13:31:02.202 mythfilldatabase: Listings Download Started
> - Start of XMLTV output -
> 2005-09-19 13:31:02.249 New DB connection, total: 3
> All data is the copyright of the Radio Times website
> <http://www.radiotimes.com> and the use of this data is
restricted to
> personal use only.
>
> term_width must be at least 5 at lib/Class/MethodMaker.pm
(autosplit into
> blib/lib/auto/Class/MethodMaker/new_hash_init.al) line 339
> -- End of XMLTV output --
> Error in 1:1: unexpected end of file
>
> I can't see any options to mythfilldatabase that would help -
can any
> suggest a fix for this?

I run the uk_rt grabber from cron with any problems (grabber version
1.77 I think , MythTV 0.18.1). Here is a snippet of my script:

#-
{
perl /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt --config-file
/home/mythtv/.mythtv/analogue.xmltv --output
/home/mythtv/.mythtv/analogue.xml --quiet
/usr/bin/mythfilldatabase --file 2 -1
/home/mythtv/.mythtv/analogue.xml

sleep 5
rm -f /home/mythtv/.mythtv/analogue.xml

} >/dev/null 2>&1
#-

I send all output to /dev/null and run the grabber with the quiet
option. Maybe this will help you.

Nick
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[mythtv-users] mythfilldatabase: can't run it from cron

[James Pattinson]

Hi All

I'm in the UK and mythfilldatabase works fine when I run it manually, 
however if it's run from cron I get this error:


2005-09-19 13:31:02.190 New DB connection, total: 1
2005-09-19 13:31:02.201 New DB connection, total: 2
2005-09-19 13:31:02.202 mythfilldatabase: Listings Download Started
- Start of XMLTV output -
2005-09-19 13:31:02.249 New DB connection, total: 3
All data is the copyright of the Radio Times website
 and the use of this data is restricted to
personal use only.

term_width must be at least 5 at lib/Class/MethodMaker.pm (autosplit into
blib/lib/auto/Class/MethodMaker/new_hash_init.al) line 339
-- End of XMLTV output --
Error in 1:1: unexpected end of file

I can't see any options to mythfilldatabase that would help - can any 
suggest a fix for this?


Thanks
James
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Re: [mythtv-users] Zero length recordings

[James Pattinson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi James,

Two things - try turning off the setting 'wait for seq start header' 
in your dvb card setup in the mythtv-setup app. There is possibly a 
bug in the TS SEQ detection code that manifests this way.
Either that, or you are having a descrambling issue. I'm almost done 
with a patch against current svn that will restart the cam if you get 
a scrambling issue which has resolved this with an irdeto cam. I was 
experiencing a descrambling problem probably 3 days after a restart 
which is fixed by this patch.



Hi Phil

Thanks for the response. I made the change you requested, and rebooted 
the box but the issue is still there. I actually had to reboot for an 
unrelated reason - it's not my preferred troubleshooting method!


I've captured the full log where the recording is attempted, and it's 
about 100 lines so I have put it up here:


http://web.hisser.org/logs/myth-dvb-1.txt

I'm not sure about the descrambling - I'm not using a CAM as all my 
channels are FTA. Please let me know if you would like any other info - 
would like to get to the bottom of this so I can finally replace my sat 
provider's box!


James
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[mythtv-users] Zero length recordings

[James Pattinson]

Hi All

I'm using DVB-S and am being plagued by zero length recordings. 
Everything will be OK for a couple of days, then suddenly everthing will 
be zero length. The messages I get in the log look like this:


2005-06-28 11:03:55.124 DVB#0 Successfully tuned to channel 6302.
2005-06-28 11:03:55.183 Changing from None to RecordingOnly
2005-06-28 11:03:55.204 Using profile 'Default' to record
2005-06-28 11:03:55.210 DVB#0 Recorder: Card opened successfully (using 
PS mode).

2005-06-28 11:03:55.212 DVB#0 AutoPID for ServiceID=6302, PCRPID=5100
2005-06-28 11:03:55.215 DVB#0 AutoPID selecting PID 5100, MPEG-2 Video
2005-06-28 11:03:55.217 DVB#0 AutoPID selecting PID 5101, MPEG-1 Audio (eng
2005-06-28 11:03:55.220 DVB#0 AutoPID selecting PID 5102, MPEG-1 Audio (NAR
2005-06-28 11:03:55.222 DVB#0 AutoPID skipping PID 5103, Teletext
2005-06-28 11:03:55.224 DVB#0 AutoPID skipping PID 2306, Unknown type: 5
2005-06-28 11:03:55.226 DVB#0 AutoPID skipping PID 2307, Unknown type: 5
2005-06-28 11:03:55.228 DVB#0 AutoPID skipping PID 2308, Unknown type: 5
2005-06-28 11:03:55.230 DVB#0 AutoPID skipping PID 2309, Unknown type: 5
2005-06-28 11:03:55.232 DVB#0 AutoPID skipping PID 2312, Unknown type: 5
2005-06-28 11:03:55.234 DVB#0 AutoPID skipping PID 2313, Unknown type: 5
2005-06-28 11:03:55.236 DVB#0 AutoPID skipping PID 2314, Unknown type: 5
2005-06-28 11:03:55.238 DVB#0 AutoPID skipping PID 2322, Unknown type: 5
2005-06-28 11:03:55.240 DVB#0 AutoPID Complete - PAT/PMT Loaded for service
2005-06-28 11:03:55.242 DVB#0 Service is FTA
2005-06-28 11:03:55.244 DVB#0 Adding pid 5100
2005-06-28 11:03:55.247 DVB#0 Adding pid 5101
2005-06-28 11:03:55.249 DVB#0 Adding pid 5102
2005-06-28 11:03:55.469 DVB#0 Data read from DMX - This is for debugging 
with transform.c

2005-06-28 11:03:56.474 DVB#0 WARNING - No data from card in 1 second.
2005-06-28 11:03:57.478 DVB#0 WARNING - No data from card in 1 second.

Normally if I reboot the box it will solve the problem temporarily. I 
was running 2.6.11-gentoo-r6 kernel but updated a few days ago to 
vanilla 2.6.12.1 as I'd heard that the DVB drivers had been updated to 
correct this issue but I'm still getting the problem.


Has anyone here seen this issue? I'm using a single SkyStar card and 
MythTV 0.18.1.


Thanks

James
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[mythtv-users] Xorg.conf for EPIA / PAL / 16x9

[James Pattinson]

Hi All

Has anyone got a nice Xorg.conf working for PAL and 16x9 on an Epia 
board? I'm using minimyth. I have found one at 
http://linpvr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=352 but it doesn't seem to 
overscan so I get a black border around everything. Also the colours 
aren't too good but that may just be me using composite when I've been 
used to RGB on sky+.


Cheers!

James
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[mythtv-users] Live TV isn't working (DVB)

[James Pattinson]

Hi All

Using DVD-S and recording / playback works apart from the odd zero 
length .nuv file.


However, live TV isn't working at all at the moment. I get the standard 
annoying "No PIDs set" message, which tells me to correct my channel 
setup, but I wonder if anyone can give me a bit more direction? What is 
MythTV actually trying to do at this point?


Here's the logging I get - I have logging set to "all" but still seems a 
little terse...


2005-06-24 15:52:37.944 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
2005-06-24 15:52:37.970 Using profile 'Live TV' to record
2005-06-24 15:52:37.976 DVB#0 Recorder: Card opened successfully (using 
PS mode).

2005-06-24 15:52:37.978 DVB#0 AutoPID for ServiceID=0, PCRPID=0
2005-06-24 15:52:37.981 DVB#0 AutoPID Complete - PAT/PMT Loaded for service
2005-06-24 15:52:37.982 DVB#0 Service is FTA
2005-06-24 15:52:37.984 DVB#0 ERROR - No PIDS set, please correct your 
channel setup.

2005-06-24 15:52:37.987 2   ok
2005-06-24 15:52:38.011 91   []:[] []:[] []:[] []:[] []:[] []:[] 
[]:[]...

2005-06-24 15:52:38.987 DVB#0 WARNING - No data from card in 1 second.
.
.
2005-06-24 15:52:52.027 DVB#0 WARNING - No data from card in 1 second.
2005-06-24 15:52:53.030 Couldn't read data from the capture card in 15 
seconds. Stopping.


Could anyone help?

Thanks

James
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[mythtv-users] UK: Getting strange audio track on BBC 1

[James Pattinson]

Hi All

I'm tuned to channel 6301 (BBC One London) but I seem to get an audio 
channel which is meant for the blind on programs like Eastenders. I am 
guessing I am selecting the wrong audio multiplex in the stream but can 
anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?


Thanks

James
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Re: [mythtv-users] Epia 10K advice

[James Pattinson]

Paul Bender wrote:



I suggest MiniMyth . It is self contained Linux 
distribution for running MythTV on diskless VIA EPIA boards.


Hi Paul

Thanks for the advice. I had seen that before, but was put off by the 
fact that it's MythTV 0.15.1 and the rest of my setup is at 0.18.1. Not 
sure what that actually means from a functionality point of view though!


Cheers,

James
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[mythtv-users] Epia 10K advice

[James Pattinson]

Hi All

I have a backend box that's been working for about a month recording 
things for me to watch on my computer screen. I now have an EPIA 10k 
machine that I'd like to configure as a proper frontend for connection 
to a TV.


However I am getting very confused by things like CLE266, Unichrome, and 
via drivers, closed or open source, xfree or xorg. I am not new to Linux 
but haven't had to do much with X11 in the past.


Does anyone have any advice on how to get this set up as a front end? I 
am currently running gentoo on there, but if there's an easier way I 
could go fedora or something. What I'm really after is a quick HOWTO to 
get it working in the best possible way.


I've also heard that the OSD is only in black and white for EPIA - is 
this sorted now?


Thanks
James


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[mythtv-users] Suddenly unable to Tune

[James Pattinson]

Hi All

I have set up MythTV a couple of months ago and it seems to have been 
working fine up until about 6 days ago. I just decided to remotely 
connect back home to check if my programs are being recorded, but all my 
NUV files are zero length! When I try to record a program it gives the 
error about "No PIDs set - please correct your channel setup" but my 
channels were set up a while ago and nothing should have changed. No 
reboots, no restarts of MythTV, nothing.


However there are a few more interesting errors in the log, and I'm 
wondering if someone could let me know what they mean. I'm running 0.18 
on gentoo linux. Log extract below.


Thanks

James

2005-06-15 14:44:02.266 DVB#0 Trying to tune to channel 6317.
2005-06-15 14:44:02.269 DVB#0 Frequency: 10773250 Symbol Rate: 2200 
Pol: H Inv:Auto

2005-06-15 14:44:02.270 DVB#0 Setting LNB: Tone OFF 18V
2005-06-15 14:44:02.288 SIParser: About to do a reset
2005-06-15 14:44:02.290 SIParser: Closing all PIDs
2005-06-15 14:44:03.165 SIParser: Resetting all Table Handlers
2005-06-15 14:44:03.167 SIParser: SIParser Reset due to channel change
2005-06-15 14:44:03.169 SIParser: Requesting PAT
2005-06-15 14:44:03.170 DVB#0 Multiplex Locked
2005-06-15 14:44:03.171 SIParser: Adding a PMT (6317) to the request list
2005-06-15 14:44:04.166 SIParser: Table[0]->RequirePIDs() == true
2005-06-15 14:44:04.168 SIParser: Adding PID0 Filter  0 Mask ff 
Buffer 40960

2005-06-15 14:44:04.170 SIParser: Table[2]->RequirePIDs() == true
2005-06-15 14:44:04.172 SIParser: Adding PID 1ffb Filter ff Mask  0 
Buffer 40960

2005-06-15 14:44:04.173 SIParser: Table[3]->RequirePIDs() == true
2005-06-15 14:44:04.174 SIParser: Adding PID 1ffb Filter ff Mask  0 
Buffer 40960

2005-06-15 14:44:04.175 SIParser: Table[6]->RequirePIDs() == true
2005-06-15 14:44:04.176 SIParser: Adding PID   10 Filter 40 Mask ff 
Buffer 40960

2005-06-15 14:44:09.412 DVB#0 Timeout Getting PMT
2005-06-15 14:44:09.415 DVB#0 ERROR - Tuning for channel #6317 failed.
2005-06-15 14:44:09.459 Changing from None to RecordingOnly
2005-06-15 14:44:09.489 Using profile 'Default' to record
2005-06-15 14:44:09.507 DVB#0 Recorder: Card opened successfully (using 
PS mode).

2005-06-15 14:44:09.510 DVB#0 AutoPID for ServiceID=0, PCRPID=0
2005-06-15 14:44:09.514 DVB#0 AutoPID Complete - PAT/PMT Loaded for service
2005-06-15 14:44:09.517 DVB#0 Service is FTA
2005-06-15 14:44:09.520 DVB#0 ERROR - No PIDS set, please correct your 
channel setup.

2005-06-15 14:44:10.523 DVB#0 WARNING - No data from card in 1 second.
2005-06-15 14:44:11.527 DVB#0 WARNING - No data from card in 1 second.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Trouble setting up DVB

[James Pattinson]

Thanks. I have it pretty much working now. I had an incorrect  
starting channel set I think.

The only (perhaps) thing that isn't working now is the EPG. I want to  
use and have configured EPG over DVB, put nothing appears when I  
press "i" . Just an empty box.

Also - mythweb shows no channel information.
What can I check for this?
Thanks again for your help so far everyone!
James
On 8 May 2005, at 19:23, Tom Hughes wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  James Pattinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well the scan seemed to work. It has populated the channel table, but
dvb_channel and dvb_pids are both empty! So when I try to "Watch TV"
and I get:
They're supposed to be empty - they are not used anymore. What you
should have is an mplexid and a serviceid in the channel table - the
mplexid is used to lookup the tuning parameters for the multiplex in
the dtv_multiplex table and the serviceid is then used to extract
the PID values from the PMT that is broadcast as part of the  
multiplex.

Tom
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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Trouble setting up DVB

[James Pattinson]

Hi Again
Well the scan seemed to work. It has populated the channel table, but  
dvb_channel and dvb_pids are both empty! So when I try to "Watch TV"  
and I get:

2005-05-08 18:43:06.933 DVB#0 ERROR - No PIDS set, please correct  
your channel setup.
2005-05-08 18:43:07.934 DVB#0 WARNING - No data from card in 1 second.
2005-05-08 18:43:08.935 DVB#0 WARNING - No data from card in 1 second.

Are dvb_channel and dvb_pids supposed to be empty?
Cheers
James
On 8 May 2005, at 18:11, Ben Buxton wrote:
James Pattinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered the following thing:
Hi All
I have installed MythTV 0.18 on my gentoo system. My DVB-S card is a
Technisat SkyStar 2 which has been verified working with linux dvb
tools.
It is detected by MythTV but I am unable to scan for channels. It is
unclear what units to use for the frequency and symbol rate - I have
tried various combinations of Hz kHz and MHz with no effect. I just
get Tuning - no lock until it times out.
I use mythtv 0.17 and it works fine, presumably it should also work in
0.18. The units I use are as follows:
- Frequency is in Khz, so for eg 10773MHz is entered as 10773000
- Symbol rate in kSym/sec, so 27500 is entered as 2750
These work very well for me on three different satellites.

If I try and configure channels manually, using the channel editor, I
get no options regarding DVB stuff - I enter the channel number (is
this number important?) and the name, and the video source. Pressing
next however gives me Video 4 Linux options like frequency ID which
doesn't seem relevant at all.
I don't think you can manually specify DVB options - you have to  
use the
automatic scanning utilities.

BB
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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Trouble setting up DVB

[James Pattinson]

Ben,
Thanks. It's progressing now, hopefully all will be well when I  
finish the scan. I put in the figures you suggested, but had to  
explicitly set the FEC and Polarisation also.

Cheers again!
James
On 8 May 2005, at 18:11, Ben Buxton wrote:
James Pattinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered the following thing:
Hi All
I have installed MythTV 0.18 on my gentoo system. My DVB-S card is a
Technisat SkyStar 2 which has been verified working with linux dvb
tools.
It is detected by MythTV but I am unable to scan for channels. It is
unclear what units to use for the frequency and symbol rate - I have
tried various combinations of Hz kHz and MHz with no effect. I just
get Tuning - no lock until it times out.
I use mythtv 0.17 and it works fine, presumably it should also work in
0.18. The units I use are as follows:
- Frequency is in Khz, so for eg 10773MHz is entered as 10773000
- Symbol rate in kSym/sec, so 27500 is entered as 2750
These work very well for me on three different satellites.

If I try and configure channels manually, using the channel editor, I
get no options regarding DVB stuff - I enter the channel number (is
this number important?) and the name, and the video source. Pressing
next however gives me Video 4 Linux options like frequency ID which
doesn't seem relevant at all.
I don't think you can manually specify DVB options - you have to  
use the
automatic scanning utilities.

BB
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[mythtv-users] Trouble setting up DVB

[James Pattinson]

Hi All
I have installed MythTV 0.18 on my gentoo system. My DVB-S card is a  
Technisat SkyStar 2 which has been verified working with linux dvb  
tools.

It is detected by MythTV but I am unable to scan for channels. It is  
unclear what units to use for the frequency and symbol rate - I have  
tried various combinations of Hz kHz and MHz with no effect. I just  
get Tuning - no lock until it times out.

If I try and configure channels manually, using the channel editor, I  
get no options regarding DVB stuff - I enter the channel number (is  
this number important?) and the name, and the video source. Pressing  
next however gives me Video 4 Linux options like frequency ID which  
doesn't seem relevant at all.

Can anyone give me some pointers?
Thanks
James
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