Re: [mythtv-users] LVM RAID 5 partition schemes
On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 22:50 +0100, David wrote: > Milan Andric wrote: > > >Do you think something like this is appropriate for fileserver (maybe > >adding the hard drive module) ... > > > > Antec Solution Series Black ATX Mid Tower Case, Model "SLK3000-B" -RETAIL > >http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-129-152&depa=1 > > > > > Looks good > I have 2 Antecs and would buy more > 12" fan in the back. > Looks like space for 12" fan in front of the drive bays - yep... A TWELVE inch fan? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. I had a crush on Elisabeth Sladen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Power to the Masses (CPU Power that is) - LONG!!
On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 17:07 -0500, Anthony Vito wrote: > > > Mobile AMD chips make even less heat ;) > > > > > > I'm currently running a mobile 2800 at 1.3 volts. I got one of those > > > huge heat sinks with a 70mm fan and took off the fan. I have a 120mm > > > fan running at 7 volts attached to the cover the micro atx case, > > > pulling air in the vent over the CPU. Dead silent, works like a charm. > > > > What mobo and case? > > The Biostar M7NCG 400. I've used a fx5200 for video in the past. I > just use the onboard 440mx now, it works just fine. The case is an off > brand micro ATX from newegg. I looked, I couldn't find it anymore on > their site. It has the optical drive directly in the center front, > rather then offset like most micro atx cases I see. The hard drive > mounts are 'on edge' to the side of the optical drive. There is pretty > much zero room left anywhere in the case. Ah. I'm asking because the design of the mobo and case have so much to do with whether a huge radiator will fit in "there". -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. python -c 'print len(str(2**30))' 90309 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: Food fight!!!!! (was Re: [mythtv-users] Power to the Masses ...)
On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 22:59 -0500, Jeff Simpson wrote:
> > Well, for certain tasks, Megahertz really do matter. Encoding
> > with lame, for example.
>
> Not to continue a flame war, but frequency is really no longer an
> accurate measure of speed. Both Intel and AMD adopted a numbering
> system for their chips that is NOT the clock speed, for the purpose of
> giving the consumer an idea of how fast the chip operates (for
> example, my AMD 1600 is not 1600 Mhz, it's 1.43Ghz). I don't know what
> the new measure is for the Intel chips, only that it's not straight
> Ghz. A better way to measure it would be operations / second, but even
> that depends on optimizations, what compiler is used, what the
> operation is, etc. If the pentium happens to have more efficient mpeg
> decoding,
Being pedantic, but it's important: the Pentium doesn't "have"
anything. Some architectures are better suited to some tasks,
though.
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTI0LDM=
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2275&p=13
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1783&p=18
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1783&p=19
If there were such a thing as lame or a video {en|de}coder for
MS-DOS (or any single-tasking OS, for that matter), the P4's super-
deep pipeline would just eat thru the data.
> it will work better than the AMD, regardless of the
> frequency the chip runs at. I prefer AMD chips because you get a lot
> more bang for your buck, but I'm not surprised that pentium
> outperforms on this task at the higher end of the market.
>
> But again, this is just based on what I've heard from people who've
> tried it, I haven't looked at any benchmarks on the subject (although
> I would like to see some mpeg decoding benchmarks if there are any out
> there).
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Re: [mythtv-users] Power to the Masses (CPU Power that is) - LONG!!
On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 20:46 -0500, Anthony Vito wrote: > > Chips hate Heat. > > Heat must be Moved Away. > > Moving lots of Heat makes Noise, or costs a Lot, or is Esoteric. > > Noise is Incompatible with watching TV (unless you're watching MTV). > > P4 chips make Lots of Heat. > > AMD chips make less Heat (nowadays). > > Mobile AMD chips make even less heat ;) > > I'm currently running a mobile 2800 at 1.3 volts. I got one of those > huge heat sinks with a 70mm fan and took off the fan. I have a 120mm > fan running at 7 volts attached to the cover the micro atx case, > pulling air in the vent over the CPU. Dead silent, works like a charm. What mobo and case? -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." Vince Lombardi signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: Food fight!!!!! (was Re: [mythtv-users] Power to the Masses ...)
On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 14:31 -0800, Howard Cokl wrote: > I started the intel vs AMD, I am a happy AMD user but > my Athlon 2700+ can't handle Live HDTV, now I think > part of this is my POS via based mobo, and I said > that, but from benchmarks intel does better than AMD > in video encoding/decoding. Am I running out to buy > an intel based system, NO, I may go out and get an > nVidia based mobo, but I have to wait for my allowance > according to my wife. It's just that moving my dual > Athlon 2200+ system downstairs seems like way > overkill. You can move it to my office! -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. I can't make you have an abortion, but you can *make* me pay child support for 18 years? However, if I want the child (and all the expenses that entails) for the *rest*of*my*life*, and you don't want it for 9 months, tough luck??? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Power to the Masses (CPU Power that is) - LONG!!
On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 16:11 -0800, Brad Templeton wrote: > On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 04:57:49PM -0500, Donavan Stanley wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:38:45 -0500, PAUL WILLIAMSON > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 2.8 has been suggested as the lowest processor > > > you'd want to go with for HD. I'm not sure > > > if the Pundit would do that... > > > > > > My Celeron 2.5ghz sits at 80% when watching 1080i... > > > > The CPU quotes floating around the net are either out of date, for > > Windows, or just flat out wrong. > > There was an improvement between .16 and .17 that allowed slower > processors to play HDTV.Many things can play a role, including > if you do deinterlacing, and how much spare capacity you want to have. > > My experience is I wouldn't want to run at 80% saturated because other > things can pop up on the system and cause stutters. Live TV seems > more succeptible too. For example, even though commercial scans are > run niced, they make the system more prone to stutters if you have a > slim margin. I find that even my P4-3ghz-hyperthreading system can > still stutter on occasion when additional load pops up, though generally > it has more than enough. > > xvmc support has been constantly improving. Some have had it working > for a while, others have had problems but the problems are being slowly > ground out. This changes the CPU equation as well. > > There is some debate over how much better Pentiums are than Athlons > at mpeg decode, and why they are better, but they are a bit better. > > Reasons include: > a) mpeg decode takes more advantage of intel pipelining > b) hyperthreading does its job well here (not on celerons of course) > c) Intel CPUs run at ~ a 35% faster clock speed than AMD of the same >number. Sometimes the size of your clock does matter. > > Idle times report major benefits for intel but are misleading. However, > an improvement of the range of 15% is almost certainly real, and possibly > much more. > > Intel CPUs run a bit hotter due to their faster clock. AMD CPUs are faster > than Intel on other tasks even if slower on the particular task of mpeg > decode. Of course mpeg decode is what you care about here! Chips hate Heat. Heat must be Moved Away. Moving lots of Heat makes Noise, or costs a Lot, or is Esoteric. Noise is Incompatible with watching TV (unless you're watching MTV). P4 chips make Lots of Heat. AMD chips make less Heat (nowadays). -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "He that would live in peace and at ease must not speak all he knows or all he sees." Benjamin Franklin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: Food fight!!!!! (was Re: [mythtv-users] Power to the Masses ...)
On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 17:05 -0500, Jeff Simpson wrote: > Hey, I didn't say I was an intel user, just that the general consensus > is that for whatever reason the pentiums are better at it. Well, for certain tasks, Megahertz really do matter. Encoding with lame, for example. I get the impression, though, that they don't here. > I'm a happy Athlon 1600 user (not for HD of course) > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:52:56 -0600, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 16:34 -0500, Jeff Simpson wrote: > > > It's not so much that athlons don't have the power, just that for some > > > reason pentiums are better at the particular decoding process. > > > > > > might have something to do with the fact that all of myth is optimised > > > for pentiumpro mmxh > > > > And that's the basis of your "Intel is better" idea, even though > > Athlons have had MMX capability since Day 1? > > > > $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name" > > model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2200+ > > > > $ for f in `cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags`; do echo $f; done > > flags > > : > > fpu > > vme > > [snip] > > pat > > pse36 > > mmx <<<<<<<<<<<< > > fxsr > > sse > > pni > > syscall > > mmxext<<<<<<<<<<<< > > 3dnowext > > 3dnow -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "The UN couldn't break up a cookie fight in a Brownie meeting." Larry Miller signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Food fight!!!!! (was Re: [mythtv-users] Power to the Masses ...)
On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 16:34 -0500, Jeff Simpson wrote: > It's not so much that athlons don't have the power, just that for some > reason pentiums are better at the particular decoding process. > > might have something to do with the fact that all of myth is optimised > for pentiumpro mmxh And that's the basis of your "Intel is better" idea, even though Athlons have had MMX capability since Day 1? $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name" model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2200+ $ for f in `cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags`; do echo $f; done flags : fpu vme [snip] pat pse36 mmx <<<<<<<<<<<< fxsr sse pni syscall mmxext<<<<<<<<<<<< 3dnowext 3dnow -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. When Swedes start committing terrorism, I'll become suspicious of Scandinavians. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Power to the Masses (CPU Power that is) - LONG!!
On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 13:05 -0800, Howard Cokl wrote: [snip] > I am a huge AMD fan but I think Intel has the edge in > this type of setup. I have an Athlon 2700+ and can't > watch live TV without XvMC. You need alot of CPU for > Live HDTV. Do Athlons not have enough CPU power?? [snip] -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "In the last couple of weeks I have seen the ads for the Wonder Bra. Is that really a problem in this country? Men not paying enough attention to women's breasts?" Jay Leno signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] PVR - 150MCE Newegg
On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 22:01 -0500, Jeff Simpson wrote: > jsyk, it was $66 about 10-15 days ago, I posted it here Supply and Demand. > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:58:11 -0600, Robert Denier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure this is useful, but I got a newegg email alert that the > > pvr-150MCE's were in stock. ($72) > > > > http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=15-116-620 > > > > I'm not purchasing any right now, but perhaps it will interest someone > > else. > > > > (Note: While I think these cards are supposed to work with myth, I am in > > no way certain of that.) -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Abstract art? A product of the untalented, sold by the unprincipled to the utterly bewildered." Al Capp signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Interesting product that would be a replacement for the PVR-150
On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 17:49 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > http://www.elgato.com/index.php?file=products_eyetv200# > http://www.elgato.com/downloads/EyeTV200/DataSheet_200_E.pdf > > Too bad it doesn't have coax input. Actually, it does have coax input. The docs are ambiguous. -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Football is like life: it requires perseverance, self-denial, hard work sacrifice, dedication and respect for authority." Vince Lombardi signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Interesting product that would be a replacement for the PVR-150
http://www.elgato.com/index.php?file=products_eyetv200# http://www.elgato.com/downloads/EyeTV200/DataSheet_200_E.pdf Too bad it doesn't have coax input. -- ----- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "An economist is a man who states the obvious in terms of the incomprehensible." Alfred A. Knopf signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160 gig WD - $40
On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 16:47 -0500, Jeff Simpson wrote: > No no, I think you got the quoting confused (either that or I did, in > which case oops) > > *I* don't have any problem with drive space. I'm the one with 4 > channels of IDE (2 drives per channel). I was just agreeing with what > he said about the problem, in that without a free PCI slot or IDE > channel, USB is an ok option. Yech. "Fast" USB2 is sloow. 480Mbps is a screaming, howling absurdity. > When 7 harddrives and 1 dvdr is too many for my poor case and not > enough for me, I'll get an NFS server :-) Yeah, well, you got me there... How hot/noisy is that case, BTW? -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "I want to have children and I know my time is running out: I want to have them while my parents are still young enough to take care of them." Rita Rudner signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160 gig WD - $40
On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 16:09 -0500, Jeff Simpson wrote: > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:02:01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > With a lack of PCI slots and IDE channels, USB seems like the next > available option. Too bad that firewire isn't built onto your mobo. It's 2x faster than "high speed" USB2. > I personally would have opted for an external NFS server before paying > for external drives, however. Gigabit or even 100 meg ethernet should > be reasonably fast for video, especially if it's dedicated and on a > switch, and you can get an NFS server running on a pretty low-end > system (assuming it supports large drive capacities, of course). Plus > it gives you future expandability (and you can seperate your > frontend/backend like that as well) So why not do it? You are correct that switched 100Mbps Ethernet is more than adequate for the task. -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "'Reckless discharge of a gun', that's what the officers are claimin'. Bubba hollered, 'Reckless, hell!!! I hit just where I was aimin'!" Mark Chesnutt, "Bubba Shot The Jukebox" signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160 gig WD - $40
On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 21:02 -0500, Jeff Simpson wrote: > that sounds like a famously bad idea to me... Might work with firewire drives, though, since the transfer rate is higher. Would *not* want to combine internal with external drives, though, in LVM. > On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:54:26 -0400, Jonathan Markevich > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anthony Vito wrote: > > > > >>Now I just need to find some places to mount all > > >>these drives > > >> > > >> > > > > > >LVM is beautiful thing as well ;) > > > > > > > > > > > Which reminds me, has anyone tried to span a LVM volume to include an > > external USB 2.0 drive? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. Some former UNSCOM officials are alarmed, however. Terry Taylor, a British senior UNSCOM inspector from 1993 to 1997, says the figure of 95 percent disarmament is "complete nonsense because inspectors never learned what 100 percent was. UNSCOM found a great deal and destroyed a great deal, but we knew [Iraq's] work was continuing while we were there, and I'm sure it continues," says Mr. Taylor, now head of the Washington http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0829/p01s03-wosc.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160 gig WD - $40
On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 02:10 -0500, Jeff Simpson wrote: > Best Buy has a deal this week on hard drives: > > Western Digital Caviar > 160.0 GB > 7200rpm > 8mb cache > > $40 after rebates ($130 originally) Thanks, I just grabbed one. -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning, but without understanding." Justice Louis Brandeis, dissenting, Olmstead v US (1928) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] How much horse power?
On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 14:25 -0800, Jarod Wilson wrote: > On Friday 18 March 2005 13:38, Larry Sanderson wrote: > > > Man, that backend is way overkill. I am running two Air2pc cards, 2 > > > PVR250's and 500tb of storage on a Athlon 2400 512 megs of memory. That > > > is even more that I need. The power needs to be in the frontend. > > > > > > My frontend is a P4 3g 1gig memory NVidia 5200. > > > > Oh - I thought the power had to be in the backend. I've been reading so > > much about this stuff recently, I must have gotten a few wires crossed. > > Definitely crossed wires. Both my HD capture systems are dual PIII boxes, one > with dual 500s, one with dual 600s (all hooked to 1.5TB of storage). My HD > playback frontend is an Athlon XP 3200, 512MB of RAM and a GF FX 5200. Why so much juice in your front-end CPU? > > By the way, does the Air2pc card perform better (or more stable) than the > > pchdtv card? > > The Air2PC reportedly handles weak broadcast HD signals better than the > pcHDTV > card. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "The laws of probability, so true in general, so fallacious in particular." Edward Gibbon signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] VIA EPIA-M
On Sat, 2005-03-19 at 20:03 +0100, Torsten Schenkel wrote: > Am Samstag, den 19.03.2005, 09:17 -0700 schrieb Adam Felson: > > Live TV doesn't record to the hard drive. > > Well it depends on your definition. It writes to disk and reads from > disk again. Wether you keep the data on disk or not doesn't matter. > So from a technical point of view MythTV-LiveTV DOES record to the hard > disk. > > > Live TV doesn't involve compression or decompression. > > It does, since it doesn't write the uncompressed stream to the disk. > > > Live TV only requires that one frame be read while another frame is > > being displayed. > > It requires one stream to be read from the card, compressed and written > to disk, read from disk, decompressed and displayed. > > > Mpeg4 software compression algorithm alone is too much for the little > > epia. RTJPEG at low resolution might work, but it would be pushing it. > > > > Replace that with a hardware encoder and all the epia has to do is read > > from the card, save to the hard drive, run another process to read the > > same or different data from the hard drive, and run yet another process > > to display. > > Now, that's just what I said from the beginning. To bottom-line this thread: An "1GHz EPIA-M with a PVR-150" should easily be able to watch live TV because... - the PVR-150 is H/W encoding to MPEG-2 - a MythTV process is writing that encoded stream to disk - another process is pushing the encodes stream from disk to the Unichrome MPEG-2 decoder. - the Unichrome driver is pumping the decoded data to the video card. Did I miss anything? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes." Jack Handey signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] VIA EPIA-M
On Thu, 2005-03-17 at 20:13 +, Ivor Hewitt wrote: > On Thursday 17 Mar 2005 19:16, Torsten Schenkel wrote: > > > > > I don't know for sure, but I seriously doubt the Epia has the muscle for > > on the fly compression decompression and i/o bandwidth for twice full > > size PAL video (to and fro the processor) and twice compressed video (to > > and from HD) > > > Many people are successfully using EPIA based myth boxes... and if you're > using the embedded mpeg decoder they're not even stretched. How is that done? By using a closed-source driver? -- ------------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "... going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. You just leave a lot of useless noisy baggage behind." Jed Babbin, former deputy undersecretary of defense in the first Bush administration signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] [OT] tape handling under Linux (was Re: Practicality of ...)
On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 10:00 +0100, Johannes Becker wrote: > Mine is a 7 slot changer using a Quantum DLT IV drive. That has 20G > uncompressed capacity. Ah, that's what we in the DEC OpenVMS & OSF/1,DigitalUnix,Tru64 world know as the TZ-87. Really old. We have some TZ-89s at work (35/70 capacity) and they still chug along. The SuperDLTs are really nice, though. If you want to backup (uncompressed) a 55GB directory, does Linux (or some userland app) know how to dismount "tape 1" and auto-load "tape 2", then dismount it and auto-load "tape 3", so that you have a tarball that spans 3 tapes? And is there an app for unloading the drive, and then loading the tape from an arbitrary slot? >This is enough for what I need. But when > someone wants to backup also the videos it may be too small, too slow. > Videos I like to keep I put on DVDs. My server backs up itself, the > MythTV box and two workstations. -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. YODA: Code! Yes. A programmer's strength flows from code maintainability. But beware of Perl. Terse syntax... more than one way to do it...default variables. The dark side of code maintainability are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you when code you write. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Lower power usage ideas? (for backend)
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 16:27 -0800, Jeffrey Kember wrote: > Consider a mini-itx based system for your backend. A fraction of the > power of a multi-GHz machine, on board firewire, support for up to two > pci cards, fanless processor option and can be used with a fanless > external power brick. You can go with laptop (2.5 in hard drives and > slim optical) for a compact build or with standard size components for > economy. > > Inexpensive, quiet and power friendly... Quiet, power friendly, but not inexpensive. Besides, they seem to have issues with PVR-350s. -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice." Baruch (Benedict de) Spinoza signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: 1000th picture quality question
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 16:57 -0500, Mark L. Cukier wrote: [snip] > > I set my bitrate to the maximum, and all I saw chage was the fact that > the recording would get INCREDIBLY choppy!!! My PVR-350 seemed incapable > of recording at 16Mbps... Maybe that's because the -350 is not designed to do that? http://www.hauppauge.com/Pages/products/data_pvr350.html "The WinTV-PVR-350 supports data rates up to 12Mbits/sec" >did you guys observe this as well? -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Perl is worse than Python because people wanted it worse." Larry Wall, 10/14/1998 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: Practicality of backing up huge hard drives (was Re: [mythtv-users] Dieing Hard Drive)
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 18:56 +0100, Johannes Becker wrote: > I bougth the ADIC DLT library for 150 Euros, but this one is > refurbished/tested. You may get them even cheaper. Whoa, sweet deal. How many slots? And what's the uncompressed capacity? (DLT drives have been around for 12+ years, with the oldest ones that I know of using DLT-III tapes, and being 10/20GB capacity.) -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "This is the optimal setup for a geek. Your wife thinks you are with your girlfriend, your girlfriend thinks, you have to look for your wife, and you have time to do something with your computer." http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=98180&cid=8396791 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: Practicality of backing up huge hard drives (was Re: [mythtv-users] Dieing Hard Drive)
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 16:28 +0100, Johannes Becker wrote: > My experiance with HD backup is not so good. Usually you have only one > drive that holds one backup (maybe two). But what can happen is that a > disk goes down slowly and has failures that you copy to your backup > before you notice that. The HD backup is not helping then, because you > only have the broken copy there. > I prefer tapes (actually a DLT tape library from ebay) and keep > several instances. Even so that means that I have many tapes laying > around... How much did you pay for it? -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "'Reckless discharge of a gun', that's what the officers are claimin'. Bubba hollered, 'Reckless, hell!!! I hit just where I was aimin'!" Mark Chesnutt, "Bubba Shot The Jukebox" signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 and MythTV recording quality sample
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 09:36 -0500, Mark L. Cukier wrote: > I'm going to have to chime in here. > > For me (though in all fairness, I'm not a linux expert and I'm not done > tweaking all the options), I find the video from Myth to be... well, > tolerable. Straight out of the box, I had a PVR-350 which produced what > I considered to be horrible TV out signal (though the capture seemed to > be ok, and many people use the PVR350 with no complaints). I then upped > to an nVidia with TV-OUT, and now my picture is... better. Much better. > But still not anywhere near where I want it to be. > > I have a TiVo, and currently I'm simply not willing to give it up for > myth-- for the sole reason that TiVo's image quality is better. > > All this deserves two notes: > > 1) I'm more picky that most people about image quality-- eg, I won't get > pay-per-view because I'd rather watch on DVD, etc (and it doesn't stop > there) > > 2) I'm pretty convinced that there must be something I can do to get the > image quality better. TiVo doesn't use any special hardware/software > that should make its image quality any better... so perhaps I need to > learn, tweak, and learn some more. Which distro and video driver are you using, and which versions? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Lead the people with governmental measures and regulate them by law and punishments, and they will avoid wrongdoing, but will have no sense of honor and shame. Lead them by virtue and regulate them by the rules of propriety and they will have a sense of shame and, moreover, set themselves right." Confucius signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: Practicality of backing up huge hard drives (was Re: [mythtv-users] Dieing Hard Drive)
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 08:24 -0600, Brian Donaldson wrote: > > > > You got any good ideas on how to back up, for example, a 2/3 full > > 250GB HDD? > > I ran into the same problem with my MythTV video and mp3 archive. My > video and mp3 archives are on a Windows server that MythTV accesses > via NFS. A tape drive would be nice, but I still think they're > expensive. Besides, I needed to backup close to 400GB of audio and > video and my need for capacity is only going to get larger. I decided > the cheapest solution was just to buy additional hard drives. > > I built two identical Windows servers, both with 500GB of hard drive > space. I just spanned the hard drives in each machine to create one > logical 500GB drive in each. This way I can easily add additional > space to both machines without destroying the existing data. The two > machines are connected via gigabit cards and a cross-over CAT5E cable > for fast backups. The primary machine copies all new or changed files > to the backup server every night. Both machines are also on a UPS. > It's not bullet-proof, but it's close enough for me and it solves my > backup problem and my increasing need for storage. In total I only > spent about $600 for the complete setup (gigabit cards, hard drives, > big power supplies and everything). Thank goodness for clearance and > rebate deals (i.e. slickdeals.net, dealnews.com, fatwallet.com) > > The following USENET thread discusses the same issue: > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.arch.storage/browse_thread/thread/b3787ea10f143ae1/6e1ee18b61fecba3?q=author:[EMAIL > PROTECTED] > > Any suggestions/feedback regarding my setup would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks! If you need 2 machines for other reasons, then obviously that's the way to go. If you just need to backup files, big drives and firewire enclosures are the cheap way. Stuff this puppy with 320GB drives, and you'll be set for a (little) while! http://www.cooldrives.com/ulrafi800qub.html -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. I can't make you have an abortion, but you can *make* me pay child support for 18 years? However, if I want the child (and all the expenses that entails) for the *rest*of*my*life*, and you don't want it for 9 months, tough luck??? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: Practicality of backing up huge hard drives (was Re:[mythtv-users] Dieing Hard Drive)
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 09:15 -0500, William wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 07:42 -0500, William wrote: > > > > You got any good ideas on how to back up, for example, a 2/3 > > > > full 250GB HDD? > > > > > > > > > > Tape drives have gotten quite reasonable these days. > > > > You're kidding, right? High-capacity tape drives cost > > thousands of dollars. > > http://www.nextag.com/buyer/outpdir.jsp?nxtg=3b085_223EE3C7D6A > FA1B5&search=ultrium+tape+drive > > Yes you are right for high capacity systems designed for commercial > applications. However the older tape systems can still be gotten > for under $100 and tapes are cheap. Tapes are cheap, but even used high-capacity drives are still expensive. Maybe on ebay, though... http://www.islandco.com/tapes.html > Personally I use DVD-R discs that I > buy for about $0.35 each. Its not ideal in that they are not > reusable and there is no way to automate the backup but they get > the job done cheap. Yeah, and you'll have 1000 DVDs. An external high-capacity disk drive is the best solution, I think. Slap a 400GB HDD in a firewire enclosure, and cp! -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "If you disregard people's motives, it becomes much harder to foresee their actions." George Orwell signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: Practicality of backing up huge hard drives (was Re: [mythtv-users] Dieing Hard Drive)
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 07:42 -0500, William wrote: > > You got any good ideas on how to back up, for example, a 2/3 > > full 250GB HDD? > > > > Tape drives have gotten quite reasonable these days. You're kidding, right? High-capacity tape drives cost thousands of dollars. http://www.nextag.com/buyer/outpdir.jsp?nxtg=3b085_223EE3C7D6AFA1B5&search=ultrium+tape+drive > A single > 300GB tape would hold your drive no problem. If you back up > without compression Backup up MPEG files with tape-drive compression turned ON would be down-right silly. ;) > it actually goes quite quickly too. -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. Clueless "tech" journalists drive geeks crazy signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT - Linux utility to merge wmv files ? (SOLVED)
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 02:15 -0500, Jason Donahue wrote: > For anyone who is interested, here is how I merged a bunch of wmv files > into one movie: > > First use mencoder to convert files to raw avi: > > mencoder clip1.wmv -oac pcm -ovc raw -o tmp1.avi > mencoder clip2.wmv -oac pcm -ovc raw -o tmp2.avi > ... > ... > ... > > Then use avimerge to combine all the files: > > avimerge -o "bigfile.avi" -i tmp1.avi tmp2.avi ... ... > > Finally, use mencoder again to shrink the file down (I chose xvid): Wouldn't you lose some quality this way? > mencoder bigfile.avi -o final.avi -oac mp3lame -ovc xvid -xvidencopts > bitrate=16000 > > Hope this helps some other poor souls... > > On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 20:14 -0500, Jason Donahue wrote: > > I have several wmv files in the form of clip1/wmv clip2.wmv, etc. I want > > to merge them into one big file using linux only (I have no windows > > box). > > > > Can this be done with transcode? If not, what other *nix utility would > > get the job done ? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor "Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence" Napoleon signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Practicality of backing up huge hard drives (was Re: [mythtv-users] Dieing Hard Drive)
On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 20:48 -0800, Rich Hall wrote: > Hi Nathan, > > Nathan Ford reportedly babbled: [snip] > > Sigh... I fell down and I can't get up... Or.. How many times do > people need to hear the line: "If it really is important.. back > it up". You got any good ideas on how to back up, for example, a 2/3 full 250GB HDD? Ultrium gen3 doesn't count. http://www.ultrium.com/newsite/html/format.html -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "There will be a Moscow Exhibition of Arts by 15,000 Soviet Republic painters and sculptors. These were executed over the past two years." Soviet Weekly signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Where can I buy a xbox to make a frontend?
On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 13:04 +, jonny Linux wrote: > Hi, > > I'd really like to build a linux xbox mythtv frontend. Although I've > read there are issues with the version 1.6 xbox. > > I'd really like to use the software method described at > www.xbox-linux.org, because it sounds simpler and more reversible if I > make a mess of it. Although it sounds like the version 1.6 xbox won't > support this. I'd really like to buy an xbox, but I don't think I have > any way of knowing what version of xbox I'm buying unless I actually > look at the serial number on it and work out the version from there! Ebay? Ask the seller what the serial # is, before you make a bid. > I've read several people on here saying they use an xbox frontend. If > you use one, which version do you use and where did you get it from? > (I'm in the UK) -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every state, county, and parish, and pay them out of the public treasury: they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union: they may seek the provision of the poor ... [all of which] would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited government established by the people of America." James Madison, 1789 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New System Hardware Recommendations
On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 11:03 -0600, Robert Johnston wrote: > A lot of the time, I find on *nix lists/chatrooms, the only way to get > a reasonable answer (That is, one that doesn't require 300 hours worth > of digging through man pages and searching obscure keywords on old > university sites) is to start your question with "Linux sucks! In > Windows I could easier than > anything! Why should I bother with this back-bedroom OS anyways?", > which will usually get you 30 people giving you a nice, simple > walkthrough of what you wanted to do easily. Snicker. True, though. > I admit, it's not a nice way to ask, but sometimes it's the only way > to work out what the hell's going on. I mean, whoever thought that > wq was an intuitive way of saving a file, and a text editor that > doesn't edit 'til you put it into edit mode? Give me Nano/Pico anyday. People who used WordStar on CP/M machines. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Our computers and their computers are the same color. The conversion should be no problem!" Unknown signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Is xfs flaky or is it my drive. Fedora Core 2, XFS, Myth .16 and .17
On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 11:06 -0500, David Wood wrote: > On Mon, 14 Mar 2005, Tim Southerwood wrote: > > > Whatever you do, don't use ReiserFS(!) > > Really? Why not (with a 2.6 kernel)? In 2.6, my directly attached /home dir (lots of small files in ~/Maildir) is ReiserFS, and it works great. Puked, though, on an external firewire drive when directing huge tarballs to it. ext3 is rock-stable, though. -- ------------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a man and a dog." Mark Twain signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] Is xfs flaky or is it my drive. Fedora Core 2, XFS, Myth .16 and .17
On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 01:28 -0800, Rich Hall wrote: > William reportedly babbled: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:31 PM > > To: Discussion about mythtv > > Subject: [mythtv-users] Is xfs flaky or is it my drive. Fedora Core 2, > > XFS,Myth .16 and .17 > > > > > > > > I have a myth box about 6 months old. Fedora Core 2, new 200GB drive myth > > .16 and .17. > > > > I have the 200GB drive in a volume group for expansion, and its setup XFS > > for /video. I run ok for a few days, then I'm watching something and it > > stops in the middle, check the logs and I'm getting XFS errors. Stop myth, > > unmount, xfs_check.. problems get fixed and I run ok for a few days. Then > > the problem reoccur. > > > > So my questions to the great users of myth.. > > > > - Are people using XFS and finding it generally stable or flaky like I find > > it? > > - What are people using as the file system for /video and are you > > happy/unhappy? > > - Do I need to pull this thing apart and do a surface test on the drive? > > - Could there be some things I need to check if you had similiar issues and > > resolved them? > > > > Thank you in advance! > > > > Tom Dixon > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > I hear a lot of people swear that they have solid systems with xfs, and I am > not > saying that is not so, but here is some of my experience with it. Mind you > this is a > fairly large network cluster (webbot servers) and is growing constantly.. not > a > small home net.. your milage may vary. What kernel? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Millions of Chinese speak Chinese, and it's not hereditary..." Dr. Dean Edell signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] KnoppMyth and filesystem types
On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 00:00 -0800, Joe Barnhart wrote: > --- Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Does anyone know why KM prefers ext3 for /myth > > instead of xfs? > > They install XFS in their version of Debian, and they > even compile it in the kernel for their R5 alpha > release. The only thing they DON'T do install it by > default. (And I'm working on them for that!) > > When I install KM I like to re-do the /myth filesystem > with LVM and XFS. It's the cat's whiskers for HDTV > users. You really appreciate it when you delete a > football game (20G) and *blink* it's gone! So you do a manual install? > > Also, will KM be able to auto-install to SATA drives > > any time soon? > > Dunno on this one. No SATA drives here (yet). Maybe > if you send Cecil a 300G SATA drive to play with... > ;-) I'll have to convince the wife. :\ -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "The things that will destroy us are: politics without principle; pleasure without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character; business without morality; science without humanity; and worship without sacrifice." Mahatma Gandhi signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: USB MCE IR Receiver
On Sun, 2005-03-13 at 17:58 -0600, Jim Oltman wrote: > What I meant in that statement is that I got it to recognize the > receiver in the /var/log/messages but it is still not working. Yes, but *how* did you get "it" to recognize the receiver? P.S. - Please do not erase the whole text of the email you are replying to. That makes it quite difficult to follow the thread. -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. Legality/morality of using open wireless points: "If I leave my door unlocked are you going to come into my house in the middle of the night because you need to use the restroom? I pay a fixed rate for water. It's cold water so there is no electricity usage. No financial loss. I have 2.5 bathrooms, so no loss of usage on my end. Is this OK? Please, try this and we'll see if it's OK." http://www.warchalking.org/comments/2002/9/22/223831/236/135 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: USB MCE IR Receiver
On Sun, 2005-03-13 at 17:32 -0600, Jim Oltman wrote: > OK. I got my box to recognize the IR receiver. Now what? Here is my Well, what did you *do* to get your box to recognize the IR receiver? That's most valuable for the rest of us to know... > /var/log/messages pertaining to lirc: > > Mar 13 17:26:30 mythfrontend kernel: lirc_dev: IR Remote Control > driver registered, at major 61 > Mar 13 17:26:30 mythfrontend kernel: usbcore: registered new driver > lirc_mceusb > Mar 13 17:26:30 mythfrontend kernel: > /var/tmp/bach-build/BUILD/lirc-0.7.0/drivers/lirc_mceusb/lirc_mceusb.c: > USB Microsoft IR Transceiver Driver v0.2 > Mar 13 17:26:33 mythfrontend gdm-autologin(pam_unix)[4734]: session > opened for user mythtv by (uid=0) > Mar 13 17:26:42 mythfrontend lircd 0.7.0[4134]: accepted new client on > /dev/lircd > Mar 13 17:26:42 mythfrontend lircd 0.7.0[4134]: could not get file > information for /dev/lirc > Mar 13 17:26:42 mythfrontend lircd 0.7.0[4134]: default_init(): No > such file or directory > Mar 13 17:26:42 mythfrontend lircd 0.7.0[4134]: caught signal [snip] -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "But a much bigger business is selling anti-spam software. This is a billion dollar market, and it is rapidly growing. Any simple and effective solution against spam would defeat revenues and drive several companies into bankrupt, would make consultants jobless. ... Have a single, simple, and permanent solution to the problem and - boom - this billion dollar market is dead. That's one of the reasons why people are expected to live with spam. They have to live with it to make them buy anti-spam software. Content filters are perfect products to keep this market alive." Hadmut Danisch signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] KnoppMyth and filesystem types
Hi, Does anyone know why KM prefers ext3 for /myth instead of xfs? Also, will KM be able to auto-install to SATA drives any time soon? Thanks -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning, but without understanding." Justice Louis Brandeis, dissenting, Olmstead v US (1928) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] [OT] How may bytes available on a single layer DVD-R?
On Sun, 2005-03-13 at 12:02 -0500, Cory Papenfuss wrote: > > How may bytes or MB is the capacity of a DVD-R disc? I am currently using a > > guessitimate of 4250MB as the limit for my shrinking routine but it would be > > nice to have the actaul value for fine tuning. > > > It's commonly referred to as 4.7 GB. Of course, that's 4.7 GB in > marketspeak, which means its 4,700,000,000 bytes. In *real* GB, divide by > 2^30 = (1024*1024*1024) = 1073741824. For MB, divide by 2^20. > > Thus, it's > 4.7e9/2^30 = 4.377 GB, or > 4.7e9/2^20 = 4482 MB Not marketspeak anymore. Drive makers have been doing it long enough that it's not "weird" anymore, like it used to be. http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html -- ----- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the sources of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." P. J. O'Rourke signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: My wife is going to blow a gasket... (was Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 (hard) lockups, Fixed!)
On Sun, 2005-03-13 at 09:14 -0500, Maverick wrote: > > "You're crazy" and "You're crazy, there's no way you're going > > to spend that much money on a Tivo!" is the difference between > > "girlfriend" and "wife". ;) > > Yeah, and I hear those new child processes know as "Kid version 1.0" > and subsequent versions 2.0 and 3.0 also cause budgets to decline. > Doh! And places where public schools suck, private/parochial tuitions really bite into the budget, too. :\ > > Here's the latest parts list: > > Antec Aria case $100 > > Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-350 170 > > Streamzap PC Remote 27 > > MSI K7N2GM-V nForce2 mobo 55 > > Sempron 2300+ (Retail)65 > > RAM PC3200 256MB 23 > > Samsung 160GB Model SP1614C HDD SATA (OEM)65 > > Shipping, ground (New Egg and PCAlchemy) 30 > > --- > > 535 > > > > For now, if I want to burn DVDs, I'll just scp them > > to "my" PC. > > I didn't do any media drive, no point really. Neet, but SMB/NFS/SCP > makes it so easy to move transcoded shows to another computer. > > Another option is go with a board with svideo out, and get a cheaper > tuner. $70 for a PVR-150.. I hear support for it is becoming stable, > no FM support yet though, (ivtv version 0.3.x). You'd spend $20 more > on the mobo, but -$100 on the tuner. Unless you plan on using the FM > or IR port on the 350... No need for FM. That's what radios are for... ;) > I'm still somewhat undecided about how I like the 350 out. It's nice, > but it has it's quirks... Of course, it's the only hardware decoding > option, so... I want to try out the nVidia out of my mobo, just > haven't had the time to set it up and research the XvMC stuff I know > nothing about. Interesting thoughts. Lets you easily watch "non-PVR-x50" MPEGs, but you need a beefier CPU, and a decent video card, correct? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it." General Douglas MacArthur signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 (hard) lockups, Fixed!
On Sun, 2005-03-13 at 03:23 -0500, Maverick wrote: > > > CPU AMD|2700 /333 ATHLON XP RTL - $107.00 > > > Newegg Item #: N82E16819103342 > > > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-342&depa=0 > > > > With a PVR-350, do you need a CPU with that much horsepower? > > > > (The thought being that a slower XP will generate less heat.) > > I agree that the CPU is overkill for a PVR-350, but I also intend on > using the built in nVidia TVout, as well as I'd like to do HDTV at Why not use the -350's TV-out? > some point. I'm not even sure if the XP 2700 is enough for HD, but I > hope it is. By the time you're ready for HD, all h/w prices will be lower, so why not wait until then to put in an A64? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. Anyone who thinks that religion is Sooo Eeevil should remember: - The number of Soviet citizens that the "religion is the opiate of the masses" Soviets killed or let starve is between 20M and 60M. - The number of Chinese killed or allowed to starve by the Chinese Communists is estimated to be as many as 66M. Now *that* is True Evil. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: My wife is going to blow a gasket... (was Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 (hard) lockups, Fixed!)
On Sun, 2005-03-13 at 03:11 -0500, Maverick wrote:
> My girlfriend thought I was crazy for spending over $600, because, I
> quote "could have got a new Tivo to replace my old ReplayTV for less,
> including the lifetime subscription".
>
> Once I showed her the automatic commercial skip on her favorite movies
> and all the friends episodes it can record, she said "Wow this thing
> it cool!"
>
> Now I can see I'll need another hard drive and tuner to record and
> store everything she manages to schedule!
>
> Clearly coolness factor makes up for a couple hundred bucks!! :)
"You're crazy" and "You're crazy, there's no way you're going
to spend that much money on a Tivo!" is the difference between
"girlfriend" and "wife". ;)
Here's the latest parts list:
Antec Aria case $100
Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-350 170
Streamzap PC Remote 27
MSI K7N2GM-V nForce2 mobo 55
Sempron 2300+ (Retail)65
RAM PC3200 256MB 23
Samsung 160GB Model SP1614C HDD SATA (OEM)65
Shipping, ground (New Egg and PCAlchemy) 30
---
535
For now, if I want to burn DVDs, I'll just scp them
to "my" PC.
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:12:35 -0600, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 17:16 -0500, Maverick wrote:
> > [snip]
> > >
> > > Newegg Order, prices are a couple weeks ago...
> > [BIG SNIP]
> >
> > SilverStone Lascala SST-LC11 HTPC Case, Black $135
> > Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-350 170
> > Streamzap PC Remote 27
> > Chaintech 7NIF4 mobo 72
> > XP 2500+ Barton 80
> > RAM PC3200 256MB (2) 45
> > Samsung 160GB Model SP1614C HDD 100
> > BenQ Dual-Layer DVD+-RW Drive 50
> > Shipping, ground (New Egg and PCAlchemy) 40
> >---
> > ~720
--
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a bunch of honking and yelling? Sometimes it seemed that way."
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Re: [mythtv-users] Shopping for an HDTV for Myth
On Sat, 2005-03-12 at 22:27 -0500, john roberts wrote: > I've helped several of my friends build MythTV boxes and they have many > different makes/models of HDTV's. > > I would say the best HDTV I've seen so far has been the Samsung. Any particular model, or are all Samsungs good, like Sony used to be? -- ------------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. All of the "reporting" about Laci Peterson & Michael Jackson reminds me of the Don Henley song "Dirty Laundry": "Can we do the operation? Is the head dead yet? You know, the boys in the newsroom got a running bet. Get the widow on the set, we need dirty laundry." signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New System Hardware Recommendations
On Sat, 2005-03-12 at 13:49 -0500, John M. Luker wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > >Unfortunately, the archives are huge, and for a newbie, deciding > >which keywords to search on (and not get overwhelmed by not-what- > >I-want-stuff) is kinda difficult. > > > >Pointing people to a good HOWTO is the thing to do. Best would > >be for the postmaster to put this in the list signature: > >http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php > > > > > Ron, > > Well said. Unfortunately sometimes social skills and computer skills are > inversely proportional. > > Great link, you must have been reading my mind since I have been running > Fedora. :) If you want real inversely proportional manners, you'll go to http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ and say, "I'm a Windows n00b fan boy. How do I install this Linux stuff, d00d?" -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Our computers and their computers are the same color. The conversion should be no problem!" Unknown signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New System Hardware Recommendations
On Sat, 2005-03-12 at 12:59 -0500, Tom E. Craddock, Jr. wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > John M. Luker wrote: > > > David wrote: [snip] > reply. Get the stick outta yer ass and youll realize that. So here it > is in baby words: SEARCH THE ARCHIVES. Unfortunately, the archives are huge, and for a newbie, deciding which keywords to search on (and not get overwhelmed by not-what- I-want-stuff) is kinda difficult. Pointing people to a good HOWTO is the thing to do. Best would be for the postmaster to put this in the list signature: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php -- ------------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Everybody today seems to be in such a terrible rush, anxious for greater developments and greater riches and so on, so that children have very little time for their parents. Parents have very little time for each other, and in the home begins the disruption of peace of the world." Mother Teresa signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
My wife is going to blow a gasket... (was Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 (hard) lockups, Fixed!)
On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 17:16 -0500, Maverick wrote: [snip] > > Newegg Order, prices are a couple weeks ago... [BIG SNIP] SilverStone Lascala SST-LC11 HTPC Case, Black $135 Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-350 170 Streamzap PC Remote 27 Chaintech 7NIF4 mobo 72 XP 2500+ Barton 80 RAM PC3200 256MB (2) 45 Samsung 160GB Model SP1614C HDD 100 BenQ Dual-Layer DVD+-RW Drive 50 Shipping, ground (New Egg and PCAlchemy) 40 --- ~720 -- ----- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." Josef Stalin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 (hard) lockups, Fixed!
On Sat, 2005-03-12 at 18:14 +0100, jerome lacoste wrote: > On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:46:14 -0600, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 17:16 -0500, Maverick wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > > CPU AMD|2700 /333 ATHLON XP RTL - $107.00 > > > Newegg Item #: N82E16819103342 > > > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-342&depa=0 > > > > With a PVR-350, do you need a CPU with that much horsepower? > > Recording on my EPIA board uses almost no CPU. commercial flaging uses > around 50% (niced) CPU and Live TV is aroudn 50% if I recall. So no > need for such a beast to me. Except that you don't get the lockups... Well, that's not very useful, is it? :( The Athlon 2500+ "Barton" appears to be lower wattage, and is $28 cheaper, to boot. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge where there is no river." Nikita Krushchev signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New System Hardware Recommendations
On Sat, 2005-03-12 at 10:18 -0500, Tom Lichti wrote: > John M. Luker wrote: > > > Ok, after lurking here for a day and seeing the great amount of > > interaction on this list, I'm ready to take the plunge. I'm going to > > build a new machine that will be dedicated to MythTV. What hardware > > would you recommend, and why? TIA, J. > > Well, it all seems to depend on what your needs are. Is HD a priority? > Are you in the US? Do you want a single all in one machine, or separate > backend/frontent machines? Do you want to use over the air, cable, > digital cable, or satellite? > > It all depends on where you want to be. In my case (pun intended...), it's US, NTSC cable (i.e., no HD), combined system. The email from Maverick yesterday detailed what he bought, based on the Jarod's "Standard Definition Slave Backend and Playback System" says this: Chaintech 7NIF2 Athlon XP 2700+ 2x 256MB DRAM PC3200 Samsung 160GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model SP1614C SilverStone Lascala SST-LC11 HTPC Case PVR-350 -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?" Vince Lombardi signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 (hard) lockups, Fixed!
On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 17:16 -0500, Maverick wrote: [snip] > > CPU AMD|2700 /333 ATHLON XP RTL - $107.00 > Newegg Item #: N82E16819103342 > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-342&depa=0 With a PVR-350, do you need a CPU with that much horsepower? (The thought being that a slower XP will generate less heat.) -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "It is easier to lead men to combat, stirring up their passion, than to restrain them and direct them toward the patient labors of peace." Andre Gide signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 16:40 +, David wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > >On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 08:54 -0700, Shawn Willden wrote: > > > >>Steve Dibb wrote: > >> > >>>I have no sympathy for people who run RPM-based systems and then whine > >>>about dependencies. ;) > >>> > >>I have no sympathy for people who run Debian systems and then whine > >>about... damn. What is there to whine about again? I know there must > >>be something... > > > >8 year delays between stable releases? [snip] > But isn't that also the expected uptime for a system _running_ the > stable release? Can you imagine a machine with an 8 year uptime? I've heard of VAXes that have been up that long, but not an Intel system. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the sources of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." P. J. O'Rourke signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] [Slightly-OT] Socket A and the Athlon-M
On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 15:59 +0100, Johannes Becker wrote: > I am using a Biostar M7NCG 400 with a Athlon-M. Works fine, easy to > cool and fairly quiet. But I don't think that you can manage to run > fanless, unless you underclock/undervolt desperately. > I have it in a micro ATX housing, no extra fan beside CPU and power > supply. But I use lowest noise fans from Pabst. The whole box is > nearly in-audible, unless you get very close. Interesting. Is this a combo, or front-end only? If combo or backend, what brand/model/size HDD do you use, and what tuner? > On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:34:38 -0600, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > How can I tell if a mobo supports these low-power chips? Do all > > Socket A mobos support the Athlon-M? > > > > And can these chips run fanless, if there's a big-enough heat-sink > > (like one of those Zalman fans) on it, and enough case air-flow? > > > > Thanks -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. Why is cyber-crime not being effectively controlled? What is fueling the rampancy? * Parental apathy & the public education system http://www.linuxsecurity.com/feature_stories/feature_story- 150.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: How I solved my PVR-350 hard lockup problem
On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 09:43 -0500, Dan Wilga wrote: > Just to add to the mix: I have the same occasional lockups with the > 350, only I use an ATI-based motherboard, not a VIA. ATI-based motherboard? > If I set my system to play live TV and then go away for several > hours, there's a good chance that it will be locked up by the time I > get back. I've had it go for about 8 hours without crashing, but not > much longer. Could heat build-up be the problem? -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. I am *not* my children's friend; I am their parent. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 08:54 -0700, Shawn Willden wrote: > Steve Dibb wrote: > > > I have no sympathy for people who run RPM-based systems and then whine > > about dependencies. ;) > > > I have no sympathy for people who run Debian systems and then whine > about... damn. What is there to whine about again? I know there must > be something... 8 year delays between stable releases? But since I run Sid, that doesn't matter either... -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." Josef Stalin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] [Slightly-OT] Socket A and the Athlon-M
Hi, How can I tell if a mobo supports these low-power chips? Do all Socket A mobos support the Athlon-M? And can these chips run fanless, if there's a big-enough heat-sink (like one of those Zalman fans) on it, and enough case air-flow? Thanks -- ----- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "It is inexcusable for scientists to torture animals; let them make their experiments on politicians and journalists." Henrik Ibsen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Newbie question about designing a split system
On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 12:27 -0500, Phil Bridges wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > - The PVR-250 only has S-Video and composite inputs, but I have > > cable service. Is there any way to convert 75-ohm coax input > > to composite output? (Yes, a VCR would work, but I'd need 2 of > > them, and would not use the "VCR" part of the VCR...) > > > > The PVR-250 has a standard coax input for cable or antenna. http://www.hauppauge.com/html/wintvpvr250_datasheet.htm is a bit ambiguous on that matter, or I must not be understanding something. When the web site says "125 channel cable ready TV tuner", are they implying "coax input jack"? > > - When I "change the channel" on the frontend, does it send some > > sort of a message to the backend, saying "change the channel"? > > Yes. Ah, ok. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Life is pain, Princess. . . anyone who says differently is selling something." Westley, The Princess Bride signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Newbie question about designing a split system
Hi, Since I'd like to have MythTV on 2 TVs (bedroom & living room), it looks like this would be a decent setup: BACKEND --- Via CPU, 1GHz, built-in VGA & audio 256-512MB RAM X GB HDD, managed by lvm 2 - HAUPPAUGE PVR-250 FRONTEND - each unit Via CPU, 600MHz, fanless if possible. 256-512MB RAM small HDD, or none, once I figure out PXE DVD drive, for watching movies from Blockbuster NVIDIA PCI with TV-out. Soundblaster Live 5.1 or Audigy lirc-compatible IR remote control Some questions: - Have I left anything out? - The PVR-250 only has S-Video and composite inputs, but I have cable service. Is there any way to convert 75-ohm coax input to composite output? (Yes, a VCR would work, but I'd need 2 of them, and would not use the "VCR" part of the VCR...) - When I "change the channel" on the frontend, does it send some sort of a message to the backend, saying "change the channel"? Thanks, Ron -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. I like my women like I like my coffee: ground up and in the freezer. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
