RE: [mythtv-users] (WAS) KnoppMyth (NOW) Sata problems
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ffrr > > Trouble is, a new mobo is about the same price as a big IDE > drive, and > much harder to fit. Plus, unless I want to buy a new CPU (I > have an 2.2 > AMD Sempron, most MBs for it will be older design, and may > have the same > SATA problems. Yeah, but the problem with IDE is you're limited to two drives if you want good throughput. SATAs are approaching the performance of SCSIs at lower cost and will probably be the storage-of-choice for the next few years. Richard. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] (WAS) KnoppMyth (NOW) Sata problems
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Or maybe upgrade the bios. I was just looking at the ASUS site. Several of the bios updates for the board I'm using relate to the SATA chip. I'll bet the picture is similar at Abit Did that just recently to fix the problem of disk corruption. So I'm running the latest BIOS. Actually, I'll bet the timing parameter that they extended to fix the corruption, is what has caused my DVB problems. I am fairly sure the glitches weren't there when I first put the system together (or if they were, they were mowhere near as bad) BTW, I don't have any trouble running a terrabyte of SATA drives... No, it's apparently the early SI SATA chips. I'm hearing bad reports about them from everywhere now :-( ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] (WAS) KnoppMyth (NOW) Sata problems
Simpson, Richard wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ffrr Probably not a good idea. Maybe I should just sell the SATA drives on eBay and get SOME of my money back. I feel a bit ripped off by this whole SATA deal right now :-( My brother has been using SATAs successfully with myth for about a year now. It might be worthwhile to try a new mobo first. Richard. Trouble is, a new mobo is about the same price as a big IDE drive, and much harder to fit. Plus, unless I want to buy a new CPU (I have an 2.2 AMD Sempron, most MBs for it will be older design, and may have the same SATA problems. An IDE drive is likely to be an easier and cheaper solution. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] (WAS) KnoppMyth (NOW) Sata problems
For what it's worth, I had a hell of a time with SATA & PATA drives in my ASUS Pundit-R. (250GB Maxtor midline SATA & NEC DVD-RW or ASUS DVD-RW drives) DMA acceleration would not work on either PATA DVD drive, some FC3 kernels would segfault on startup, Knoppix or Gentoo LiveCDs would not boot, and other problems. I dropped to a 160GB Seagate PATA drive, and aside from it filling up rather quickly, all the problems went away. That won't solve your problems, but 2 trips to ASUS RMA and 4 months didn't fix mine either... ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] (WAS) KnoppMyth (NOW) Sata problems
On 21 Oct 2005 at 8:29, Simpson, Richard wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ffrr > > > Probably not a good idea. Maybe I should just sell the SATA > > drives on > > eBay and get SOME of my money back. I feel a bit ripped off by this > > whole SATA deal right now :-( > > My brother has been using SATAs successfully with myth for about a year now. > It might be worthwhile to try a new mobo first. > > Richard. Or maybe upgrade the bios. I was just looking at the ASUS site. Several of the bios updates for the board I'm using relate to the SATA chip. I'll bet the picture is similar at Abit BTW, I don't have any trouble running a terrabyte of SATA drives... ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] (WAS) KnoppMyth (NOW) Sata problems
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ffrr > Probably not a good idea. Maybe I should just sell the SATA > drives on > eBay and get SOME of my money back. I feel a bit ripped off by this > whole SATA deal right now :-( My brother has been using SATAs successfully with myth for about a year now. It might be worthwhile to try a new mobo first. Richard. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] (WAS) KnoppMyth (NOW) Sata problems
Alex Cruz wrote: On Friday 21 October 2005 01:49 am, ffrr wrote: Anybody want to buy a few 100 GB of SATA storage (250GB WD, and 2 80GB Seagates)? :-) Just joking.A new MB is almost as cheap as another SATA controller card (unless you buy a cheap one, and they seem to be early SI based often anyway). I could use them just for offline storage as they cause no problems just sitting there. It's only when you access them that they upset the DVB. Does it cause problems with the DVB if you use it to store and access music, games, images etc? -alex Yes, I am pretty sure it does. On my Mandriva setup. I moved the ringbuffer on the IDE drive, and watched live TV. Still got some glitches when the SATA drives were accessed by other things in the system. That would mean it would also screw with any recordings that were happening, if I happened to use a SATA drive while it was recording, even if the recording was taking place to an IDE drive. Probably not a good idea. Maybe I should just sell the SATA drives on eBay and get SOME of my money back. I feel a bit ripped off by this whole SATA deal right now :-( ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] (WAS) KnoppMyth (NOW) Sata problems
On Friday 21 October 2005 01:49 am, ffrr wrote: > > Anybody want to buy a few 100 GB of SATA storage (250GB WD, and 2 80GB > Seagates)? :-) Just joking.A new MB is almost as cheap as another > SATA controller card (unless you buy a cheap one, and they seem to be > early SI based often anyway). > I could use them just for offline storage as they cause no problems just > sitting there. It's only when you access them that they upset the DVB. Does it cause problems with the DVB if you use it to store and access music, games, images etc? -alex ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] (WAS) KnoppMyth (NOW) Sata problems
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not the SATA. I have found that I can provoke the glitches even in Knoppmyth, by writing the ringbuffer to a temp directory on one of the SATA drives instead of the IDE. I now officially dislike SATA drives. This was my first machine using them, and had all sorts of initial problems. Now this. Time to get a nice big reliable IDE drive I think. There are known problems with certain on-board SATA controllers (Silicon Image I think) and their impact on DVB cards. and that's exactly what my NF7-S has a SI 3112 from memory. Used to cause disk corruption until a BIOS update. (eg see: http://www.nebula-electronics.com/information/DigiTVPCI.htm under the Restrictions section). This caused me lots of problems when first setting up a dedicated box. >From memory my mobo had 2 SATA controllers and switching to the non-SI controller fixed all the glitches. So early SI chips interfere with DVB. That's twice it's bitten me, never again... Thanks for the verification Anybody want to buy a few 100 GB of SATA storage (250GB WD, and 2 80GB Seagates)? :-) Just joking.A new MB is almost as cheap as another SATA controller card (unless you buy a cheap one, and they seem to be early SI based often anyway). I could use them just for offline storage as they cause no problems just sitting there. It's only when you access them that they upset the DVB. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] (WAS) KnoppMyth (NOW) Sata problems
>not the SATA. I have found that I can provoke the glitches even in >Knoppmyth, by writing the ringbuffer to a temp directory on one of the >SATA drives instead of the IDE. >I now officially dislike SATA drives. This was my first machine using >them, and had all sorts of initial problems. Now this. Time to get a >nice big reliable IDE drive I think. There are known problems with certain on-board SATA controllers (Silicon Image I think) and their impact on DVB cards. (eg see: http://www.nebula-electronics.com/information/DigiTVPCI.htm under the Restrictions section). This caused me lots of problems when first setting up a dedicated box. >From memory my mobo had 2 SATA controllers and switching to the non-SI controller fixed all the glitches. Gareth Visit our website at http://www.ubs.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] (WAS) KnoppMyth (NOW) Sata problems
Alex Cruz wrote: Great news on the DVB!! Now it's looking like you're where I was about 3 months ago which was "Do I continue using my workstation to mess with MythTV or do I build a dedicated unit?" I decided to build the standalong and I'm glad I did. Now, I'm not screwing up my workstation when I want to tweak Myth or test something. And now that it's no longer a hardware issue, you might want to just taking the plunge. My next step is to find a nicer looking case and to get a quieter fan for the CPU. It's amazing how noisey those damn little fans are :-) -alex I am starting to agree with all you say here ! but (sorry, there's always something) there was one tiny flaw in my conclusion that it wasn't hardware. One difference I did not take into account is that the ringbuffer was being to written to the ide drive, not the SATA. I have found that I can provoke the glitches even in Knoppmyth, by writing the ringbuffer to a temp directory on one of the SATA drives instead of the IDE. I now officially dislike SATA drives. This was my first machine using them, and had all sorts of initial problems. Now this. Time to get a nice big reliable IDE drive I think. On Thursday 20 October 2005 05:53 am, ffrr wrote: I got to thinking, maybe I could try knoppmyth fairly painlessly. I found an old 15GB IDE drive from an old computer and plugged it into my main machine. I downloaded the very latest knoppmyth (just announced here in a message today), and quickly installed it. I didn't get all the myth stuff going - like the tv guide etc, just enough to watch live TV. BTW: it allowed me to import my channels.conf, a feature which people here have said is not in the released mythtv version !!! Anyway, the big discovery is... rock solid pictures. Not one single damn glitch in sight, nor in the audio either :-) Conclusions, - it can't be signal strength related, so no point in buying a new card - can't be interrupt related - not directly anyway as nothing has changed in my hardware setup or BIOS - kernel is 2.6.13.2, so maybe a newer kernel than the 2.6.11 I have now might fix it (roll on Mandriva 2006 - or else I look at upgrading the kernel - about which I know nothing--- yet) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
