[mythtv-users] EPG, Channel Selection, and Multiple Tuners... oh, and Data Sources too!
Hi all, Two questions that have been nagging at me 1) Is there a way to force a tuner change when the user selects a channel in the EPG that isn't available on the current tuner? 2) Is there a way to define a single input source, but only have certain channels from the Input Source assigned to each card? I'm in the US, using Zap2It! as a data provider, and have a situation where I need to use an HD3000 card to pick up the HD stations, but want to use an analog card for everything else (freaking Comcast is encrypting all the digital channels except ETWN and Pennsylvania Cable TV Network). I can't define two data sources as Digital Cable with Zap2It!, so what would be the best way to ensure I have all the guide data? I was thinking of defining another source in the DB, and then just copying over the HD channels from the existing source and marking the originals as invisible Thanks! --Matt ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] EPG, Channel Selection, and Multiple Tuners... oh, and Data Sources too!
Matt Mossholder wrote: 2) Is there a way to define a single input source, but only have certain channels from the Input Source assigned to each card? I'm in the US, using Zap2It! as a data provider, and have a situation where I need to use an HD3000 card to pick up the HD stations, but want to use an analog card for everything else (freaking Comcast is encrypting all the digital channels except ETWN and Pennsylvania Cable TV Network). I can't define two data sources as Digital Cable with Zap2It!, so what would be the best way to ensure I have all the guide data? I was thinking of defining another source in the DB, and then just copying over the HD channels from the existing source and marking the originals as invisible Define your second source in zap2it with a neighboring zip code that has the same lineup if zap2it isn't letting you define two sources. Should work fine. -- Looking for affordable webhosting? http://www.sitecity.net ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] EPG, Channel Selection, and Multiple Tuners... oh, and Data Sources too!
Kevin Kuphal wrote: Matt Mossholder wrote: 2) Is there a way to define a single input source, but only have certain channels from the Input Source assigned to each card? I'm in the US, using Zap2It! as a data provider, and have a situation where I need to use an HD3000 card to pick up the HD stations, but want to use an analog card for everything else (freaking Comcast is encrypting all the digital channels except ETWN and Pennsylvania Cable TV Network). I can't define two data sources as Digital Cable with Zap2It!, so what would be the best way to ensure I have all the guide data? I was thinking of defining another source in the DB, and then just copying over the HD channels from the existing source and marking the originals as invisible Define your second source in zap2it with a neighboring zip code that has the same lineup if zap2it isn't letting you define two sources. Should work fine. I have 4 tuner cards, and they all use the same zap2it source. There is nothing that says you can't use the same source twice, so I defined 4 sources in Myth, with the same datadirect account info, and connected them via the 4 different inputs I'm using. That might get you closer to what you want. Tom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] EPG, Channel Selection, and Multiple Tuners... oh, and Data Sources too!
On Tuesday 13 December 2005 16:08, Tom Lichti wrote: Kevin Kuphal wrote: Matt Mossholder wrote: 2) Is there a way to define a single input source, but only have certain channels from the Input Source assigned to each card? I'm in the US, using Zap2It! as a data provider, and have a situation where I need to use an HD3000 card to pick up the HD stations, but want to use an analog card for everything else (freaking Comcast is encrypting all the digital channels except ETWN and Pennsylvania Cable TV Network). I can't define two data sources as Digital Cable with Zap2It!, so what would be the best way to ensure I have all the guide data? I was thinking of defining another source in the DB, and then just copying over the HD channels from the existing source and marking the originals as invisible Define your second source in zap2it with a neighboring zip code that has the same lineup if zap2it isn't letting you define two sources. Should work fine. I have 4 tuner cards, and they all use the same zap2it source. There is nothing that says you can't use the same source twice, so I defined 4 sources in Myth, with the same datadirect account info, and connected them via the 4 different inputs I'm using. That might get you closer to what you want. You're _supposed_ to do that, if the available channels actually match. Isaac ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] EPG, Channel Selection, and Multiple Tuners... oh, and Data Sources too!
Isaac Richards wrote: On Tuesday 13 December 2005 16:08, Tom Lichti wrote: Kevin Kuphal wrote: Matt Mossholder wrote: 2) Is there a way to define a single input source, but only have certain channels from the Input Source assigned to each card? I'm in the US, using Zap2It! as a data provider, and have a situation where I need to use an HD3000 card to pick up the HD stations, but want to use an analog card for everything else (freaking Comcast is encrypting all the digital channels except ETWN and Pennsylvania Cable TV Network). I can't define two data sources as Digital Cable with Zap2It!, so what would be the best way to ensure I have all the guide data? I was thinking of defining another source in the DB, and then just copying over the HD channels from the existing source and marking the originals as invisible Define your second source in zap2it with a neighboring zip code that has the same lineup if zap2it isn't letting you define two sources. Should work fine. I have 4 tuner cards, and they all use the same zap2it source. There is nothing that says you can't use the same source twice, so I defined 4 sources in Myth, with the same datadirect account info, and connected them via the 4 different inputs I'm using. That might get you closer to what you want. You're _supposed_ to do that, if the available channels actually match. Isaac Good, so I did something right for a change! He should be able to then modify his channel listing so he only sees the available channels for each tuner, I would assume. Tom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] EPG, Channel Selection, and Multiple Tuners... oh, and Data Sources too!
On Tuesday 13 December 2005 16:12, Tom Lichti wrote: Isaac Richards wrote: On Tuesday 13 December 2005 16:08, Tom Lichti wrote: Kevin Kuphal wrote: Matt Mossholder wrote: 2) Is there a way to define a single input source, but only have certain channels from the Input Source assigned to each card? I'm in the US, using Zap2It! as a data provider, and have a situation where I need to use an HD3000 card to pick up the HD stations, but want to use an analog card for everything else (freaking Comcast is encrypting all the digital channels except ETWN and Pennsylvania Cable TV Network). I can't define two data sources as Digital Cable with Zap2It!, so what would be the best way to ensure I have all the guide data? I was thinking of defining another source in the DB, and then just copying over the HD channels from the existing source and marking the originals as invisible Define your second source in zap2it with a neighboring zip code that has the same lineup if zap2it isn't letting you define two sources. Should work fine. I have 4 tuner cards, and they all use the same zap2it source. There is nothing that says you can't use the same source twice, so I defined 4 sources in Myth, with the same datadirect account info, and connected them via the 4 different inputs I'm using. That might get you closer to what you want. You're _supposed_ to do that, if the available channels actually match. Isaac Good, so I did something right for a change! He should be able to then modify his channel listing so he only sees the available channels for each tuner, I would assume. Need two sources for that, as Kevin said. Isaac ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] EPG, Channel Selection, and Multiple Tuners... oh, and Data Sources too!
Isaac Richards wrote: On Tuesday 13 December 2005 16:12, Tom Lichti wrote: Isaac Richards wrote: On Tuesday 13 December 2005 16:08, Tom Lichti wrote: Kevin Kuphal wrote: Matt Mossholder wrote: 2) Is there a way to define a single input source, but only have certain channels from the Input Source assigned to each card? I'm in the US, using Zap2It! as a data provider, and have a situation where I need to use an HD3000 card to pick up the HD stations, but want to use an analog card for everything else (freaking Comcast is encrypting all the digital channels except ETWN and Pennsylvania Cable TV Network). I can't define two data sources as Digital Cable with Zap2It!, so what would be the best way to ensure I have all the guide data? I was thinking of defining another source in the DB, and then just copying over the HD channels from the existing source and marking the originals as invisible Define your second source in zap2it with a neighboring zip code that has the same lineup if zap2it isn't letting you define two sources. Should work fine. I have 4 tuner cards, and they all use the same zap2it source. There is nothing that says you can't use the same source twice, so I defined 4 sources in Myth, with the same datadirect account info, and connected them via the 4 different inputs I'm using. That might get you closer to what you want. You're _supposed_ to do that, if the available channels actually match. Isaac Good, so I did something right for a change! He should be able to then modify his channel listing so he only sees the available channels for each tuner, I would assume. Need two sources for that, as Kevin said. Isaac I'm not in front of my Myth box at the moment so I'm probably talking out my ass, but can't he hide the channels on one of the Myth listings? I know on mine, I have maybe 40 channels total in the source, so 160 overall, and I can modify them independently as I wish. Would this not work for his purposes? Tom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] EPG, Channel Selection, and Multiple Tuners... oh, and Data Sources too!
Tom Lichti wrote: I'm not in front of my Myth box at the moment so I'm probably talking out my ass, but can't he hide the channels on one of the Myth listings? I know on mine, I have maybe 40 channels total in the source, so 160 overall, and I can modify them independently as I wish. Would this not work for his purposes? Source = channel list He wants two *separate* channel lists, one for each tuner So he needs two sources Kevin -- Looking for affordable webhosting? http://www.sitecity.net ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] EPG, Channel Selection, and Multiple Tuners... oh, and Data Sources too!
Kevin Kuphal wrote: Tom Lichti wrote: I'm not in front of my Myth box at the moment so I'm probably talking out my ass, but can't he hide the channels on one of the Myth listings? I know on mine, I have maybe 40 channels total in the source, so 160 overall, and I can modify them independently as I wish. Would this not work for his purposes? Source = channel list He wants two *separate* channel lists, one for each tuner So he needs two sources Okay, I'm officially lost. I'll shut up now. :) Tom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] EPG, Channel Selection, and Multiple Tuners... oh, and Data Sources too!
On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 16:09 -0500, Isaac Richards wrote: On Tuesday 13 December 2005 16:08, Tom Lichti wrote: I have 4 tuner cards, and they all use the same zap2it source. There is nothing that says you can't use the same source twice, so I defined 4 sources in Myth, with the same datadirect account info, and connected them via the 4 different inputs I'm using. That might get you closer to what you want. You're _supposed_ to do that, if the available channels actually match. Isaac Let me make sure I have it right... in mythtv-setup I define two separate data sources, using the same line up at Zap2It!, and then just turn off the channels that shouldn't exist within each lineup? If I'm following, that certainly sounds easier than my approach ! --Matt ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] EPG, Channel Selection, and Multiple Tuners... oh, and Data Sources too!
Matt Mossholder wrote: On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 16:09 -0500, Isaac Richards wrote: On Tuesday 13 December 2005 16:08, Tom Lichti wrote: I have 4 tuner cards, and they all use the same zap2it source. There is nothing that says you can't use the same source twice, so I defined 4 sources in Myth, with the same datadirect account info, and connected them via the 4 different inputs I'm using. That might get you closer to what you want. You're _supposed_ to do that, if the available channels actually match. Isaac Let me make sure I have it right... in mythtv-setup I define two separate data sources, using the same line up at Zap2It!, and then just turn off the channels that shouldn't exist within each lineup? If I'm following, that certainly sounds easier than my approach ! Create two lineups on zap2it, assign one to each card, edit channels appropriately for each. Kevin -- Looking for affordable webhosting? http://www.sitecity.net ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] EPG, Channel Selection, and Multiple Tuners... oh, and Data Sources too!
Matt Mossholder wrote: ... Let me make sure I have it right... in mythtv-setup I define two separate data sources, using the same line up at Zap2It!, and then just turn off the channels that shouldn't exist within each lineup? If I'm following, that certainly sounds easier than my approach ! Possibly correct but let's clear up some terminology. At Zap2It!, you need two of what they call lineups each with the same provider. For each lineup, you check and uncheck the boxes for the channels you want to have in that set of channels that you are targeting for your inputs. One account can have up to four lineups. You could have one lineup for the Cable provider and one for Digital Cable provider (even though they are the same company ;-). You can not have two lineups for Cable. In the past, some have gotten around this by using a different zipcode and the same provider. However, the last time I tried this it didn't work. Worst case is that you may have to create a second Zap2It! account for your second lineup (for your second video source) using the same zipcode and provider. -- bjm ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] EPG, Channel Selection, and Multiple Tuners... oh, and Data Sources too!
Tom Lichti wrote: I have 4 tuner cards, and they all use the same zap2it source. There is nothing that says you can't use the same source twice, so I defined 4 sources in Myth, with the same datadirect account info, and connected them via the 4 different inputs I'm using. That might get you closer to what you want. Shouldn't you define one source in Myth and attach the same source to the 4 different inputs you're using? It sounds like you're saying, There is nothing that says you can't use the same source twice, where you actually mean Zap2It lineup instead of source, so you made 4 named video sources in Myth and assigned a different one to each of your inputs. However, the terminology you used is actually more correct than what it seems you're saying--There is nothing that says you can't use the same [MythTV] source twice. Therefore, you should really define one named source in Myth and connect it to all your inputs. Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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For posterity, the way I ended up dealing with this, in the end, was that I added a Zap2It! Lineup for Digital Cable from another Comcast Head End, in a different Zipcode, that had the HD channels I needed on the same channel numbers. It would be nice if this could all be handled internally in Myth... maybe rather than having a Visible flag in the DB, we could have a VisibleOn row, that lists which tuners support the channel. >From the silence on my other question (can the EPG force a tuner change when a channel not present on the current tuner is selected), I will take it that the answer is no. Thanks for the help, everyone! --Matt ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
