Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
On 7/10/05, Blammo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/6/05, Fedor Pikus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yikes. For this money I can build the whole RAID box *including* disks. My MythTV box has 5 Seagate 300GB disks in software RAID5, at $129/piece from Fry's. With two Nexus fans it stays cool and the fans are absolutely silent: Anyone have any suggestions for a good, well ventilated case with up to 10 drive bays? I'm looking to build a 8-drive-plus-OS-drive NFS box for one of my myth-friends and haven't been happy with what I've found so far. For 10 drives, you're not looking for a AV-system-format case (the largest I've seen is 8, and even then it's a very tight fit). So you want a full-tower case, or a mid-tower case with drive bay going all the way along the case. If you can afford it, buy a Lian Li case like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682043 Lian Li also makes an interesting case with drive bay mounted sideways (look at the picture, you'll see what I mean): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682024 There are also cases where disks are mounted across the case, the connectors are facing the side wall. This makes it easier to change them, it also makes it less likely that disks will bump into memory or expansion cards (if you're making a server, it's probably not going to happen, but in my desktop I cannot put a disk in the bay aligned with the PCI-X slot because the video card is too long). I think Coolermaster makes a case like that, their cases are expensive though. As for ventilation, you will have to add fans. Most cases use 80mm fans, but if you can find a case which takes 120mm fans it's better, higher airflow and lower noise. You'll need fans on the front and on the back of the case, most likely: front fans blow air right between the disks, and with 10 disks you will need forced airflow. If you care about noise, the very best fans are made by Nexus, they are well worth the money: http://iguanamicro.com/ne80resicafa.html I have two in my MythPC case, can't hear them at all. I have to say that Silverstone fans are almost as good, though. Coolermaster makes some fans with very low noise, at least on the spec: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811999072 but I've had pretty bad luck with Coolermaster fans in the past, they failed soon (although not this particular model). -- Fedor G Pikus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.pikus.net http://wild-light.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
On 6/6/05, Blammo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/6/05, Blammo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/3/05, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for enclosures I use 2 or 3 types. Mostly I recommend sticking with Oxford Semi chip sets. For 1394a I use mostly ADS Tech cases. They are 1394/USB 2.0. This seems to be the most recent version: http://www.adstech.com/products/DLX185/intro/DLX185intro.asp?pid=DLX185 Other posters in this thread are right.. you start running out of IDE channels, SATA channels, and then plain case space. Even with a hardware raid controller (which I'd love to do, but 8 channel ones are expensive) you still have to worry about the case. You have the heat of the drives, the heat of the cards, cpu etc, all in one big box. My primary backend has (4) 80mm thermaltake high-cfm fans. Works great. Noisy but case stays room temp. I'm looking for, as I'm sure are others, a good multi-drive Firewire enclosure. Something I could cram 5-6 drives into, plug a single firewire into my backend, and call it good. Hardware raid would be a bonus, but not a requirement. I'm sure someone makes one that isn't $500. If guy had money to burn, he'd get this: http://www.firewiremax.com/miharasyfor5.html Or just the internals itself : http://www.tekram.com/ARC-5010.html 3 bays, 5 drives, hardware raid /drool Yikes. For this money I can build the whole RAID box *including* disks. My MythTV box has 5 Seagate 300GB disks in software RAID5, at $129/piece from Fry's. With two Nexus fans it stays cool and the fans are absolutely silent: http://www.iguanamicro.com/ne80resicafa.html -- Fedor G Pikus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.pikus.net http://wild-light.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 23:24, Fa Yoeu wrote: I have bought my last 5 HDs (3 seagate and 2 Hitachi) with rebates over the last two years. I have gotten all the rebates back without any hassel. I guess i am just lucky. I don't think you're just lucky. I buy things all the time on rebates. It is a hassle to fill everything out and make copies, which is very important, but it does save you money. I've gotten many things free after rebate (besides tax and postage for the rebate form). I can't think of the last time I did not get a rebate where I didn't screw it up. The latest, for a DVD player, I got a card in the mail saying the rebate was denied. After investigation it turned out I sent in the wrong bar code on the box. It was the serial number or something, not the UPC. Anyway, I luckily kept the box so I sent it to them and they are still honoring it. As far as these drives go, I have roughly 6 or 7 of the Maxtor or WD 160 gig drives. I have a system with 3 of them in it for backing up everything from my myth stuff to normal data. I rsync myth every night. My problem, which has been discussed before, is the reliability of these drives. Right now I need to rebuild my Myth box because one of the Maxtors crashed. It's been decaying for a few weeks and now it's dead, and it's probably not under warranty. Of course up til now the tests on the drive shows no issues. I need to run them again to see if they show problems yet. I've had some others last a long time and still going. I think for $30 it's hard to pass up. James ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
On 6/3/05, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for enclosures I use 2 or 3 types. Mostly I recommend sticking with Oxford Semi chip sets. For 1394a I use mostly ADS Tech cases. They are 1394/USB 2.0. This seems to be the most recent version: http://www.adstech.com/products/DLX185/intro/DLX185intro.asp?pid=DLX185 Other posters in this thread are right.. you start running out of IDE channels, SATA channels, and then plain case space. Even with a hardware raid controller (which I'd love to do, but 8 channel ones are expensive) you still have to worry about the case. You have the heat of the drives, the heat of the cards, cpu etc, all in one big box. My primary backend has (4) 80mm thermaltake high-cfm fans. Works great. Noisy but case stays room temp. I'm looking for, as I'm sure are others, a good multi-drive Firewire enclosure. Something I could cram 5-6 drives into, plug a single firewire into my backend, and call it good. Hardware raid would be a bonus, but not a requirement. I'm sure someone makes one that isn't $500. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
Louie Ilievski wrote: On Saturday 04 June 2005 04:32 pm, mark wrote: On Saturday 04 June 2005 03:53 pm, Louie Ilievski wrote: On Saturday 04 June 2005 08:27 am, mark wrote: The current best deal I've seen is 250GB WD for $118 at Sams club. No rebate. That's pretty cheap storage. Or a 250GB WD for $80 after rebates at Circuit City :-) I'm thinking about getting this one for my myth box. ~Lou I'm sick of the rebate bullsh*t that every box store seems to want to do. Half the time you get nothing, the other half you wait 4 months for a rejection letter because you didn't cross your t's and dot your i's. I'll patronize stores that don't require me to jump through hoops to save money, thanks. I can completely understand your opinion. But just to put in a little bit of my own experience, I have to say that WD has been very good with their rebates. Circuit city has as well. So between the two of them I feel very confident in receiving my money. I actually just got two emails last week confirming my rebate requests for a drive I bought not to long ago - one from each company, and my rebate requests were done by mail, not electronically. I never get email confirmations from other places. Anyway, the last 4 or 5 hard drives I've bought have all been WD drives that I got from rebates, and I have received my money every time without a single hassle. I for one will continue to buy these drives. They have worked (and are all still working) wonderful for me, and I've gotten them all at killer prices. On the other hand, I got screwed by Frys on two different products that I purchased on the same day, with the same reason - I didn't include the original UPC barcode, which is complete BS. But, I didn't follow their recommendation of keeping copies of everything, so I blamed myself mostly. I'm sure calling them up and putting a little pressure on them would've worked too, but oh well. If you just follow the directions and keep copies as proof, they can't deny you the rebate. ~Lou I've heard from several people on other forums that they've called Seagate, WD and others and the CS rep said that it was company policy to deny rebates unless you called and complained. I'd say your experience was very lucky. I hope it stays that way for you. I just don't want the hassle. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
I have bought my last 5 HDs (3 seagate and 2 Hitachi) with rebates over the last two years. I have gotten all the rebates back without any hassel. I guess i am just lucky. On 6/5/05, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Louie Ilievski wrote: On Saturday 04 June 2005 04:32 pm, mark wrote: On Saturday 04 June 2005 03:53 pm, Louie Ilievski wrote: On Saturday 04 June 2005 08:27 am, mark wrote: The current best deal I've seen is 250GB WD for $118 at Sams club. No rebate. That's pretty cheap storage. Or a 250GB WD for $80 after rebates at Circuit City :-) I'm thinking about getting this one for my myth box. ~Lou I'm sick of the rebate bullsh*t that every box store seems to want to do. Half the time you get nothing, the other half you wait 4 months for a rejection letter because you didn't cross your t's and dot your i's. I'll patronize stores that don't require me to jump through hoops to save money, thanks. I can completely understand your opinion. But just to put in a little bit of my own experience, I have to say that WD has been very good with their rebates. Circuit city has as well. So between the two of them I feel very confident in receiving my money. I actually just got two emails last week confirming my rebate requests for a drive I bought not to long ago - one from each company, and my rebate requests were done by mail, not electronically. I never get email confirmations from other places. Anyway, the last 4 or 5 hard drives I've bought have all been WD drives that I got from rebates, and I have received my money every time without a single hassle. I for one will continue to buy these drives. They have worked (and are all still working) wonderful for me, and I've gotten them all at killer prices. On the other hand, I got screwed by Frys on two different products that I purchased on the same day, with the same reason - I didn't include the original UPC barcode, which is complete BS. But, I didn't follow their recommendation of keeping copies of everything, so I blamed myself mostly. I'm sure calling them up and putting a little pressure on them would've worked too, but oh well. If you just follow the directions and keep copies as proof, they can't deny you the rebate. ~Lou I've heard from several people on other forums that they've called Seagate, WD and others and the CS rep said that it was company policy to deny rebates unless you called and complained. I'd say your experience was very lucky. I hope it stays that way for you. I just don't want the hassle. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
On Fri 3 June 2005 21:59, Brad Templeton wrote: Even so, do you really want to fill up with drives as small as 160gb, even at just 19 cents/gigabyte. Now if you want to raid-5, such drives make more sense if you can buy more than one of them. I read this with some amusement. It if were not for Myth and it's high demands on disk space I would be happy with a 40Gb drive for another year or three. I'm currently running one myth box on a 20Gb drive (15Gb actual vid space) and another on the balance of a 40Gb drive (approx 20Gb). Over here (UK) even an 80Gb drive sells at 3x the $30 of this particular WD 160Gb drive.. I'm currently on the lookout for bargins though and a 120/160Gb drive would easily satisfy me. -- Stuart Morgan ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 at 08:47:43AM +0100, Stuart Morgan wrote: On Fri 3 June 2005 21:59, Brad Templeton wrote: Even so, do you really want to fill up with drives as small as 160gb, even at just 19 cents/gigabyte. Now if you want to raid-5, such drives make more sense if you can buy more than one of them. I read this with some amusement. It if were not for Myth and it's high demands on disk space I would be happy with a 40Gb drive for another year or three. I'm currently running one myth box on a 20Gb drive (15Gb actual vid space) and another on the balance of a 40Gb drive (approx 20Gb). Over here (UK) even an 80Gb drive sells at 3x the $30 of this particular WD 160Gb drive.. I'm currently on the lookout for bargins though and a 120/160Gb drive would easily satisfy me. Undertand this drive doesn't really sell for $30. That's below cost. It is subsidized by people who don't redeem the rebate, which is most of them (even in a crazy deal like this.) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
On 6/4/05, Stuart Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri 3 June 2005 21:59, Brad Templeton wrote: Even so, do you really want to fill up with drives as small as 160gb, even at just 19 cents/gigabyte. Now if you want to raid-5, such drives make more sense if you can buy more than one of them. I read this with some amusement. It if were not for Myth and it's high demands on disk space I would be happy with a 40Gb drive for another year or three. I'm currently running one myth box on a 20Gb drive (15Gb actual vid space) and another on the balance of a 40Gb drive (approx 20Gb). Over here (UK) even an 80Gb drive sells at 3x the $30 of this particular WD 160Gb drive.. I'm currently on the lookout for bargins though and a 120/160Gb drive would easily satisfy me. -- Stuart Morgan Actually when you get away from specific sale items it's about $0.90-$1.00/GB here in California. That seems generically true from 80GB up to 300GB and is true in the Bay Area where I live and Southern CA where I just set up a wireless MythTV system for my parents so I'd assume it's close in most major markets right now. After 300GB it seems to go a bit crazy. I've seen 400GB cheaper than 300GB side by side on the shelf. I've also see 400GB at 2x 300GB. Go figure... ;-) Cheers, Mark ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
The current best deal I've seen is 250GB WD for $118 at Sams club. No rebate. That's pretty cheap storage. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
On Saturday 04 June 2005 08:27 am, mark wrote: The current best deal I've seen is 250GB WD for $118 at Sams club. No rebate. That's pretty cheap storage. Or a 250GB WD for $80 after rebates at Circuit City :-) I'm thinking about getting this one for my myth box. ~Lou pgpJUTJIR4Vpz.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
On Saturday 04 June 2005 03:53 pm, Louie Ilievski wrote: On Saturday 04 June 2005 08:27 am, mark wrote: The current best deal I've seen is 250GB WD for $118 at Sams club. No rebate. That's pretty cheap storage. Or a 250GB WD for $80 after rebates at Circuit City :-) I'm thinking about getting this one for my myth box. ~Lou I'm sick of the rebate bullsh*t that every box store seems to want to do. Half the time you get nothing, the other half you wait 4 months for a rejection letter because you didn't cross your t's and dot your i's. I'll patronize stores that don't require me to jump through hoops to save money, thanks. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
On Saturday 04 June 2005 04:32 pm, mark wrote: On Saturday 04 June 2005 03:53 pm, Louie Ilievski wrote: On Saturday 04 June 2005 08:27 am, mark wrote: The current best deal I've seen is 250GB WD for $118 at Sams club. No rebate. That's pretty cheap storage. Or a 250GB WD for $80 after rebates at Circuit City :-) I'm thinking about getting this one for my myth box. ~Lou I'm sick of the rebate bullsh*t that every box store seems to want to do. Half the time you get nothing, the other half you wait 4 months for a rejection letter because you didn't cross your t's and dot your i's. I'll patronize stores that don't require me to jump through hoops to save money, thanks. I can completely understand your opinion. But just to put in a little bit of my own experience, I have to say that WD has been very good with their rebates. Circuit city has as well. So between the two of them I feel very confident in receiving my money. I actually just got two emails last week confirming my rebate requests for a drive I bought not to long ago - one from each company, and my rebate requests were done by mail, not electronically. I never get email confirmations from other places. Anyway, the last 4 or 5 hard drives I've bought have all been WD drives that I got from rebates, and I have received my money every time without a single hassle. I for one will continue to buy these drives. They have worked (and are all still working) wonderful for me, and I've gotten them all at killer prices. On the other hand, I got screwed by Frys on two different products that I purchased on the same day, with the same reason - I didn't include the original UPC barcode, which is complete BS. But, I didn't follow their recommendation of keeping copies of everything, so I blamed myself mostly. I'm sure calling them up and putting a little pressure on them would've worked too, but oh well. If you just follow the directions and keep copies as proof, they can't deny you the rebate. ~Lou pgpS1oNEbC7vK.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
I know not everyone likes the idea of rebates, but here's a 160GB WD drive for $30 for those that do. It's only available for pick-up from CompUSA stores, so check their site for availability at your local store first. http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?ref=cjpfp=cjproduct_code=298017 - Jeff -- email me if you want a gmail invite, I have 400 million. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
Jeff Simpson wrote: I know not everyone likes the idea of rebates, but here's a 160GB WD drive for $30 for those that do. It's only available for pick-up from CompUSA stores, so check their site for availability at your local store first. http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?ref=cjpfp=cjproduct_code=298017 That's hilarious. I bought the exact same drive from CompUSA for the same $30 after rebate on Sunday. The only difference was that it was delivery only (so I had to spend $20 more to get the $0.01 shipping). Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 12:36:16PM -0400, Michael T. Dean wrote: Jeff Simpson wrote: I know not everyone likes the idea of rebates, but here's a 160GB WD drive for $30 for those that do. It's only available for pick-up from CompUSA stores, so check their site for availability at your local store first. http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?ref=cjpfp=cjproduct_code=298017 That's hilarious. I bought the exact same drive from CompUSA for the same $30 after rebate on Sunday. The only difference was that it was delivery only (so I had to spend $20 more to get the $0.01 shipping). Great price, but these days you start running into limits on how many drives you can put in a system, due to bays, IDE controllers and power. (Though you can buy external usb boxes for more than the post-rebate cost of this drive.) I've thus come to the conclusion that I can't afford a drive as small as 160gb, even if it's effectively free like this one! That's a 21st century moment. Perhaps somebody should make a low priced external USB case that holds 4 EIDE drives on usb-2, just for video arrays. With video arrays you really don't care a lot about the bandwidth limitations that would give you, a video stream only needs about 20 megabits for ordinary play and record, though more for commercial scan/transcode of course. Right now such cases would cost a fair bit more than this drive. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
On 6/3/05, Brad Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 12:36:16PM -0400, Michael T. Dean wrote: Jeff Simpson wrote: I know not everyone likes the idea of rebates, but here's a 160GB WD drive for $30 for those that do. It's only available for pick-up from CompUSA stores, so check their site for availability at your local store first. http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?ref=cjpfp=cjproduct_code=298017 That's hilarious. I bought the exact same drive from CompUSA for the same $30 after rebate on Sunday. The only difference was that it was delivery only (so I had to spend $20 more to get the $0.01 shipping). Great price, but these days you start running into limits on how many drives you can put in a system, due to bays, IDE controllers and power. (Though you can buy external usb boxes for more than the post-rebate cost of this drive.) I've thus come to the conclusion that I can't afford a drive as small as 160gb, even if it's effectively free like this one! That's a 21st century moment. Perhaps somebody should make a low priced external USB case that holds 4 EIDE drives on usb-2, just for video arrays. With video arrays you really don't care a lot about the bandwidth limitations that would give you, a video stream only needs about 20 megabits for ordinary play and record, though more for commercial scan/transcode of course. Right now such cases would cost a fair bit more than this drive. All of my storage on both back end systems is now on external 1394 hard drives. Gets rid of this problem and allows me to hide the drive for more quiet operation... - Mark ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
On 6/3/05, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip All of my storage on both back end systems is now on external 1394 hard drives. Gets rid of this problem and allows me to hide the drive for more quiet operation... Mark, what enclosures do you use for this? do you know how many drives 1394 can handle? thx ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
Great price, but these days you start running into limits on how many drives you can put in a system, due to bays, IDE controllers and power. (Though you can buy external usb boxes for more than the post-rebate cost of this drive.) I'm one of the lucky few with 4 channels of IDE (up to 8 drives) supported in linux (it's an older gigabyte board). So the real limit in my system is power, heat, noise, and space! :-) - Jeff ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
As for enclosures I use 2 or 3 types. Mostly I recommend sticking with Oxford Semi chip sets. For 1394a I use mostly ADS Tech cases. They are 1394/USB 2.0. This seems to be the most recent version: http://www.adstech.com/products/DLX185/intro/DLX185intro.asp?pid=DLX185 I use Maxtor and IBM drives, but I've also used Seagate in the past. I get anwhere from about 20-28MB/S out of one of these based on the most recent 2.6.11 Linux 1394 drivers with no optimization. I also have a nice, but older, Oxford based IceDrive case. It works well but has a slow 4 year old drive in it so it's sort of noisy. I also set up a Maxtor OneTouch 300GB drive a few days ago on an NForce 2 MB. It seems to be working fine. For 1394b I'm using a Maxtor drive in one of these cases: http://www.cooldrives.com/3alox922fi80.html I'm getting 55MB/S using the same Linux 1394 stack and a separate 1394b OHCI adapter card. It's very quiet as it has no fan (good for my audio work) but the case does get pretty hot so I'm not sure if the drive is going to be happy for a long life. Both of my OHCI cards use TI OCHI chips. I have a board with a Via 6306 chipset but it doesn't work very well. Don't know why but I presume Via has some bugs from my partiticaption on the 1394 lists. Hope this helps, Mark On 6/3/05, Andrew Close [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/3/05, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip All of my storage on both back end systems is now on external 1394 hard drives. Gets rid of this problem and allows me to hide the drive for more quiet operation... Mark, what enclosures do you use for this? do you know how many drives 1394 can handle? thx ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 04:43:23PM -0400, Jeff Simpson wrote: Great price, but these days you start running into limits on how many drives you can put in a system, due to bays, IDE controllers and power. (Though you can buy external usb boxes for more than the post-rebate cost of this drive.) I'm one of the lucky few with 4 channels of IDE (up to 8 drives) supported in linux (it's an older gigabyte board). So the real limit in my system is power, heat, noise, and space! :-) Even so, do you really want to fill up with drives as small as 160gb, even at just 19 cents/gigabyte. Now if you want to raid-5, such drives make more sense if you can buy more than one of them. I'm being a little extreme here, 160gb is somewhat tolerable, but at this point I would probably not be very interested in 120gb drives or less any more. Plus this drive costs $41 including tax, and you can only get one, and there is the work of the rebate, and finally the chance you won't get the rebate (I would rate at 20%) adds another $20 of cost. So now it's $61, which is still somewhat attractive, but less so. I might still do this a drive to keep offline for backup or long term storage. At this price, I could see somebody slapping an archive of favourite shows onto the drive, and keeping it offline, and then putting it into an external case if somebody wants to see a show. Mplayer only of course. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
On 6/3/05, Brad Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipI've thus come to the conclusion that I can't afford a drive as small as160gb, even if it's effectively free like this one!That's a 21stcentury moment. I've had the same thought. I have three drives now (original 80Gb and two 250's with a DVD for the fourth drive). I am considering replacing the 80 with a larger drive (I'm putting all my DVD's into mythtv). Perhaps somebody should make a low priced external USB case that holds4 EIDE drives on usb-2, just for video arrays.With video arrays you really don't care a lot about the bandwidth limitations that wouldgive you, a video stream only needs about 20 megabits for ordinary playand record, though more for commercial scan/transcode of course.Right now such cases would cost a fair bit more than this drive. I'd be very interested if anyone knows of something like this that would be fairly cheap. Everything I've seen is either 1 drive or is very expensive (NAS devices with hot swapping and such). Hubbing a bunch of USB drives together is certainly a possibility, and building a scaled down PC for network attached storage is another, but I'd really like a less expensive, more elegant solution (especially when I can get a USB external enclosure (single drive) for less than $40. I'm assuming that a USB drive would look like any other USB device within Linux and that I couldn't do something like create an LVM volume with XFS like I do with my internal drives? By the way, I previously did a quick thumbnail for a scaled down hard drive storage (a cheap PC) and ended up with the following: $46 Antec mini tower case with 300 Watt P/S $40 AMD Mobo with USB 2.0, Video, Audio, LAN (100Mb) $52 AMD Athlon XP 1800+ $44 512Mb PC2700 memory === $182 plus tax, shipping, etc. (just need to add the drives) I didn't include a floppy, DVD, keyboard, monitor, or mouse, since once it's set up, I shouldn't need them and I can borrow any component I need for setup from one of my other machines. My thought would be that a multi-drive cabinet would need to come in about the same or cheaper (anyone know if I'm missing anything blatant?). Of course, this still only gets me four drives unless I put in an additional EIDE controller or get into the SCSI world (which would increase the drive prices). I figured I'd just wait until the holidays and pick up one of those post-Thanksgiving specials at BestBuy or CircuitCity and get roughly the same thing plus the DVD and a single HD for about the same price. Comments? Thanks, phlepper -- I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.--Confucius ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
On 6/3/05, Jeff Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great price, but these days you start running into limits on how many drives you can put in a system, due to bays, IDE controllers and power. (Though you can buy external usb boxes for more than the post-rebate cost of this drive.) I'm one of the lucky few with 4 channels of IDE (up to 8 drives) supported in linux (it's an older gigabyte board). So the real limit in my system is power, heat, noise, and space! :-) Yeah, I really miss these boards too, you can get them for Athlon XP CPUs still, Newegg has a few, but not for any newer chips. You can get boards with 4 or even 8 SATAs though. PATA-SATA adapters at almost $20/piece are a bit pricy if you want to reuse a whole case of disks though. - Jeff ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- Fedor G Pikus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.pikus.net http://wild-light.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160GB Western Digital, $30 after rebates
I just got a 160 GB seagate, I see them onsale for this week for $49 at fry's (after rebate). Bringing my total storage to about 750GB (4 drives). I also had to buy an IDE card since I maxed out the devices of the onboard with a DVD writer. On 6/3/05, Jeff Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know not everyone likes the idea of rebates, but here's a 160GB WD drive for $30 for those that do. It's only available for pick-up from CompUSA stores, so check their site for availability at your local store first. http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?ref=cjpfp=cjproduct_code=298017 - Jeff -- email me if you want a gmail invite, I have 400 million. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
