Re: [mythtv-users] PCHDTV 3000 what to buy Intel p4 3.0+ or AMD 64
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:11:16 -0800, Brad Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Plus in theory extra CPU would let you use the analog capture function of your pchdtv 3000 card as a spare tuner when not doing HD recordings on it, though this has turned out to be messier that people hoped because the two mechanisms are totally different, with different drivers, but use the same RF tuner. Is this any easier with the Air2PC card? I see some people mentioning that they have received their Air2PC cards lately. Were these ordered before they became Out of Stock, or is there somewhere else to get them besides the two frequently listed sites? Garry ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] PCHDTV 3000 what to buy Intel p4 3.0+ or AMD 64
On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 01:25:15PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I purchased a pchdtv 3000 card a while ago. Didn't want to forget or miss the deadline. :) Now I'm ready to purchase the rest of the computer that will function as a frontend/backend mythtv box. One option available to me is a current Dell deal for an Intel based P4 2.8 Ghz machince. I would upgrade to a 3.0 Ghz processor. Another option would be building my own system around an AMD 64 3200+ Socket 939. I switched to AMD processors years ago and have never looked back. And except for the first computer I ever bought (386DX20 system) I have always upgraded my current machince. Every thread I've seen about minimum hardware says a p4 3.0Ghz intel with Hyperthreading is needed to watch HDTV. These same threads are usually older. So can I use a AMD 64 3200+ based system? Would it have enough horsepower to be a backend/frontend machine for HDTV viewing and recording? Does anyone have this current setup? Thanks, jb I would recommend a p4 2.8ghz if you're watching your budget. I have an AMD 2400+ XP system that I've used for 2 years. I used to be able to play 1080i and de-interlace it but depending on special compiling options and what features were in CVS. As it stands right now, 1080i even none de-interlaced and *not* using the new mpeg decoding library will not work without annoying pauses. I can use the new mpeg decoding library and watch 1080i but any digital noise (loss of packets) is _very_ noticible using the mpeg decoding library vs the standard decoder. The difference between them is you notice about 5x-10x more packet loss because with the mpeg decoding library it's usually green blocks and I swear the corruption is larger/longer than the build in decoder that is just blocky (but the colors of the mpeg j frames). I can't stress how much this difference is and how annoying it can be. I really believe you're playing with fire trying to use an amd 2400 system, or anything under an amd 3200. It may work now, but if new featuers are added then it may not be enough, just like what happened in the last 2 years with myth and my setup. XvMC is an option, I used it for a long time. It's just not stable right now and not much is being done to improve this. I personally won't count on XvMC being available. As for AMD vs Intel, for whatever reasons if you put an intel P4 system next to an AMD system it is very apparent that the intel system is much more smooth on video playback. I can't tell you why for sure, it just is. It may be intels instruction pipelines, hyper threading, cache size, or whatever. I just this last week ordered hardware for a P4 3.0 ghz system to use as a new frontend because I'm done spending hours tweaking my amd system to work well. My new system cost me $400 (p4 3.0ghz, 2x256, asus P4P800-e delux MB nvidia fx5200 and seagate 160GB drive). Thanks to outpost, newegg and rebates this was a very good choise. You're welcome to pick whatever, but in my experience you may regret what you get if you cut corners. There's no way I'd get an 1800 AMD system. It would be a minimum of 3200 XP. --Brandon ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] PCHDTV 3000 what to buy Intel p4 3.0+ or AMD 64
On Thursday 24 February 2005 08:55, Brandon Beattie wrote: You're welcome to pick whatever, but in my experience you may regret what you get if you cut corners. There's no way I'd get an 1800 AMD system. It would be a minimum of 3200 XP. Absolutely. Let me clarify for everyone I was merely posting info about getting my 1800 working to say that it could be done with less than before, but it is definitely running the ragged edge, and for the benefit of those who already has processors in the XP 2x00 range. The system I use on a regular basis for HDTV viewing is an Athlon XP 3200. I don't think I'd say a 3200 is the minimum anymore, but I would definitely not recommend someone purchasing an 1800 for HDTV purposes. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a question? Read this first... http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html MythTV, Fedora Core ATrpms documentation: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ MythTV Searchable Mailing List Archive http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ pgplAZy8MwMK4.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] PCHDTV 3000 what to buy Intel p4 3.0+ or AMD 64
I purchased a pchdtv 3000 card a while ago. Didn't want to forget or miss the deadline. :) Now I'm ready to purchase the rest of the computer that will function as a frontend/backend mythtv box. One option available to me is a current Dell deal for an Intel based P4 2.8 Ghz machince. I would upgrade to a 3.0 Ghz processor. Another option would be building my own system around an AMD 64 3200+ Socket 939. I switched to AMD processors years ago and have never looked back. And except for the first computer I ever bought (386DX20 system) I have always upgraded my current machince. Every thread I've seen about minimum hardware says a p4 3.0Ghz intel with Hyperthreading is needed to watch HDTV. These same threads are usually older. So can I use a AMD 64 3200+ based system? Would it have enough horsepower to be a backend/frontend machine for HDTV viewing and recording? Does anyone have this current setup? Thanks, jb ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] PCHDTV 3000 what to buy Intel p4 3.0+ or AMD 64
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:25:15 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every thread I've seen about minimum hardware says a p4 3.0Ghz intel with Hyperthreading is needed to watch HDTV. These same threads are usually older. I have no problem watching HD in myth on a 1.8ghz AMD box. Though I've not tried 1080i, I know folks who ARE watching 1080i wihout have 3ghz HT CPUs or 64 bit CPUs ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] PCHDTV 3000 what to buy Intel p4 3.0+ or AMD 64
On 2/23/2005 1:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every thread I've seen about minimum hardware says a p4 3.0Ghz intel with Hyperthreading is needed to watch HDTV. These same threads are usually older. So can I use a AMD 64 3200+ based system? Would it have enough horsepower to be a backend/frontend machine for HDTV viewing and recording? Does anyone have this current setup? There have been a few reports recently of people using Athlon 2400+ or thereabouts. Search the archives for libmpeg2 for some recent posts on HDTV with sub-3GHz CPUs. I have an Intel 2.8 (non-hyperthreaded) so can't really give detailed info on the AMDs. -- David ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] PCHDTV 3000 what to buy Intel p4 3.0+ or AMD 64
Can you record an HD broadcast while watching another HD broadcast at the same time? Basically is your machine an combination frontend/backend? Thanks, jb Donavan Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Discussion about mythtv mythtv-users@mythtv.org m cc: Sent by:Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] PCHDTV 3000 what to buy Intel p4 3.0+ or AMD 64 mythtv-users-bounces @mythtv.org 02/23/2005 01:30 PM Please respond to Donavan Stanley; Please respond to Discussion about mythtv On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:25:15 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every thread I've seen about minimum hardware says a p4 3.0Ghz intel with Hyperthreading is needed to watch HDTV. These same threads are usually older. I have no problem watching HD in myth on a 1.8ghz AMD box. Though I've not tried 1080i, I know folks who ARE watching 1080i wihout have 3ghz HT CPUs or 64 bit CPUs ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] PCHDTV 3000 what to buy Intel p4 3.0+ or AMD 64
--- Donavan Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no problem watching HD in myth on a 1.8ghz AMD box. Though I've not tried 1080i, I know folks who ARE watching 1080i wihout have 3ghz HT CPUs or 64 bit CPUs What resolution is your output modeline? Are you using Xv or XvMC? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
