Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Mythtv on x86_64 SMP
Axel Thimm wrote: affects whether you will be able to use apt. For multilib ... or smart. I have been trying to use smart on my x86_64/fc3 system for a long time. I don't seem to have much problem on i386 (at work), but it just doesn't do anything at all on my x86_64 system. Has anyone managed to get it to work? Max. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Mythtv on x86_64 SMP
Am Dienstag, den 18.01.2005, 08:56 + schrieb Martin Ebourne: On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 00:59 +0100, Axel Thimm wrote: On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:17:07AM -0800, Ian Forde wrote: The ugly: 1. Not a lot of people are going the x86_64 route. If you're planning on using Fedora Core 3, expect problems. Lots of problems. You may want to consider Gentoo. So I'd recommend compiling myth and going with CVS. Why do you expect more problems with FC3? In fact all FCx builds at ATrpms are made on FC3/x86_64 dual opterons, so there are people using x86_64. :) Did you try the ATrpms x86_64 CVS builds? I agree completely. I'd be interested to know what these FC3 x86_64 problems are, because both my front backend are x86_64 and haven't found any. Sure, mythmusic doesn't work on 0.16, but as of Axel's CVS rpms from Dec 20th, that works grand too. Cheers, Martin. i use x86_64 too, running gentoo but no smp, mythmusic (cvs) runs fine now (got a patch for it from paul barrette), but mythvideo still segfaults when i try to access the video list. video manager works, i can view the videos and all stuff, but as soon as i press the video list button, it crashes. maybe i can send a backtrace, if someone could tell me, how to do it :-) daniel signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Mythtv on x86_64 SMP
Axel Thimm wrote: you understand correct, but who sais mythtv is limited to 32 bits? ATrpms happily ships 64 bits, too (although there are some 64 bit bugs still). So, is it essential to install x86_64 without multilibs or can I get by with the box running both, if I just want to use the box for a myth front backend, web/mail/ssh/proxy server? Oer the weekend, I did a clean install with what I thought was a non-multilib base, but in trying to update got errors regarding multiple instances of a bunch of files (sory, don't have the file names..notes were tossed), so I assumed it had some installed 32bit files on it's own. It seems if I can do a multilib install and do what I want to with the box, it would make it easier. -- Tom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Re: Mythtv on x86_64 SMP
On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 09:01:05AM -0500, Tom wrote: Axel Thimm wrote: you understand correct, but who sais mythtv is limited to 32 bits? ATrpms happily ships 64 bits, too (although there are some 64 bit bugs still). So, is it essential to install x86_64 without multilibs only if you want to use apt. or can I get by with the box running both, if I just want to use the box for a myth front backend, web/mail/ssh/proxy server? both multilib amnd non-multilib are appropriate. It really only affects whether you will be able to use apt. For multilib use yum, up2date or smart. Oer the weekend, I did a clean install with what I thought was a non-multilib base, but in trying to update got errors regarding multiple instances of a bunch of files (sory, don't have the file names..notes were tossed), so I assumed it had some installed 32bit files on it's own. It seems if I can do a multilib install and do what I want to with the box, it would make it easier. Without apt and with yum's bugs it isn't really easier to manage it, so you need to decide on having multilib and no apt, or apt and no multilib (and no openoffice, HelixPlayer). Check out http://bugzilla.atrpms.net/show_bug.cgi?id=326 http://bugzilla.atrpms.net/show_bug.cgi?id=334#c2 This should answer all your questions. -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net pgpvEENQyk5OJ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Re: Mythtv on x86_64 SMP
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:17:07AM -0800, Ian Forde wrote: The ugly: 1. Not a lot of people are going the x86_64 route. If you're planning on using Fedora Core 3, expect problems. Lots of problems. You may want to consider Gentoo. So I'd recommend compiling myth and going with CVS. Why do you expect more problems with FC3? In fact all FCx builds at ATrpms are made on FC3/x86_64 dual opterons, so there are people using x86_64. :) Did you try the ATrpms x86_64 CVS builds? -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net pgpeTe0r8BWm1.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Re: Mythtv on x86_64 SMP
On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 07:51:59PM -0500, Tom wrote: Axel Thimm wrote: On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:17:07AM -0800, Ian Forde wrote: The ugly: 1. Not a lot of people are going the x86_64 route. If you're planning on using Fedora Core 3, expect problems. Lots of problems. You may want to consider Gentoo. So I'd recommend compiling myth and going with CVS. Why do you expect more problems with FC3? In fact all FCx builds at ATrpms are made on FC3/x86_64 dual opterons, so there are people using x86_64. :) Did you try the ATrpms x86_64 CVS builds? Axel, Sorry for replying off-list, but I didn't want to bug others with stuff that's been hashed over many times, stuff that I simply don't understand. I don't expect a tutorial from a busy guy like yourself, but maybe you can help me with some things. 1. If I am running an x86_64 opteron system, do I install FC3 with multi-lib support? Since Myth-Tv is 32 bit, wouldn't I need multi-lib for that, or am I not understanding what multi-lib means? you understand correct, but who sais mythtv is limited to 32 bits? ATrpms happily ships 64 bits, too (although there are some 64 bit bugs still). 2. If I use multi-lib, I cannot use apt, correct? Yes. Isn't yum broken for this as well? No, yum is broken in some aspects but not specific to 64 bits or multilib. Does this mean I have to compile on my own? No, you can use yum or smart and if the resolver fails help with manually specifying the packages. And if all else fails download and install manually. still easier than building your own. Not that I have a huge problem with that, but I'm not savvy enough to figure out what goes wrong when compiling on my own. 3. I have never used and don't really get CVS. Is there a good howto or newbie tutorial out there for understanding CVS and how they apply to something like Myth-Tv? Probably too many tutorials to name one. I'd check out molly's page, if it still exists, or simply http://www.google.com/search?q=cvs+howto You may recall I've emailed you a couple of time regarding x86_64. I'm sitting here with about $1500 in hardware that isn't doing anything, and I'd really like to get myth going on it, so ANY help or pointers you can give would be appreciated. The best help and pointers are gathered on the lists I guess. -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net pgp203YPzbM2h.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Mythtv on x86_64 SMP
On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 00:59 +0100, Axel Thimm wrote: On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:17:07AM -0800, Ian Forde wrote: The ugly: 1. Not a lot of people are going the x86_64 route. If you're planning on using Fedora Core 3, expect problems. Lots of problems. You may want to consider Gentoo. So I'd recommend compiling myth and going with CVS. Why do you expect more problems with FC3? In fact all FCx builds at ATrpms are made on FC3/x86_64 dual opterons, so there are people using x86_64. :) For me, it's the combination of FC3 and x86_64. So far (and bear in mind I'm not complaining about anyone but Red Hat here)... 1. UDEV breakage. The fact that the module loader doesn't work the way I expect it to - I have to put the loading of modules into a script, and udev doesn't always pick it up. 2. For so apparent reason, last night haldaemon started spawning lots and lots of processes. 3. I can't get a backtrace, and efforts to compile with the DEBUG setting have gone ignored by the developers. (This, alone, can stop early adopters from going the x86_64 route.) 4. Red Hat's dual package breakage of yum and apt. 5. Mythmusic was broken on x86_64 for about 4 months because of a goom compilation problem. I know it's CVS, but it what it is. This is not to say that myth doesn't work on FC3/x86_64, only that it can be problematic... Did you try the ATrpms x86_64 CVS builds? Nope - started with RPMs back in '03, then went to a source-based install of Myth early in 04. I still use RPMs for the dependent parts though... Going with source for me was a way of staying closer to solving installation problems. Plus, I'm a sysadmin by trace. I can handle it! -I ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
