Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
The reason I use VNC is because not every machine in my house is a Linux box. With VNC Client, I can access my Linux desktop from my Windows machines. I know you can use any browser to access a VNC server but the performance is much better with VNC Client. Now for the VNC problem. I'm running the version of VNC that comes with FC3 and here's what you need to do: 1) Enable and start vncserver in Services. 2) Change to the .vnc directory in your mythuser directory. 3) Edit the file xstartup. 4) The last line of the file probably says "twm " which will start the TWM window manager for your VNC session. Change it to "startdke " or "gnome-session " or whatever the start command is for the window manager you want to use and save the file. 5) Go back to Services and restart vncserver. Russ Dill wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:02:30 -0800, Peter Loron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, this is drifting a bit OT, but I'm going to strike while the iron is hot. I've got my backend machine set up and pretty much working, but it is going in the closet so I don't have to listen to it. I need to get VNC working. In the past when I was running FC1, I just did apt-get for TightVNC and I was all set. Starting a VNC server and connecting yielded me my complete KDE/Gnome/WhateverWM desktop. Now that I'm running FC3, TightVNC doesn't seem to be available, and when I connect using the already installed vncserver, all I get is a minimalist TWM environment. How to get a full-on desktop? I'm suspecting I need to edit one or more of the X config files, but I'm clueless. If there's a FAQ for this one, please point me to it. Why do people keep mentioning VNC? Why not just use ssh? If you want a login, just use XDMCP ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
VNC is useful for people like me who have Linux and WIndows systems. My windows machine is my primary system (dual-monitor too), and my linux machines are very much utility (One is attached to the TV, one is in the closet.) I have and do run the X server from Cygwin, but it is buggy to say the least. VNC just works. And when I'm at work (win 2000 workstation) I can use VNC to access my server. FYI: I built and installed tightvnc (I run slackware) but I had to modify the code some to get it to compile. --Nate ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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Steve Dibb wrote: I have no sympathy for people who run RPM-based systems and then whine about dependencies. ;) I have no sympathy for people who run Debian systems and then whine about... damn. What is there to whine about again? I know there must be something... ;-) Shawn. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 08:54 -0700, Shawn Willden wrote: Steve Dibb wrote: I have no sympathy for people who run RPM-based systems and then whine about dependencies. ;) I have no sympathy for people who run Debian systems and then whine about... damn. What is there to whine about again? I know there must be something... 8 year delays between stable releases? But since I run Sid, that doesn't matter either... -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. Josef Stalin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
Ron Johnson wrote: On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 08:54 -0700, Shawn Willden wrote: Steve Dibb wrote: I have no sympathy for people who run RPM-based systems and then whine about dependencies. ;) I have no sympathy for people who run Debian systems and then whine about... damn. What is there to whine about again? I know there must be something... 8 year delays between stable releases? But since I run Sid, that doesn't matter either... But isn't that also the expected uptime for a system _running_ the stable release? David ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 16:40 +, David wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 08:54 -0700, Shawn Willden wrote: Steve Dibb wrote: I have no sympathy for people who run RPM-based systems and then whine about dependencies. ;) I have no sympathy for people who run Debian systems and then whine about... damn. What is there to whine about again? I know there must be something... 8 year delays between stable releases? [snip] But isn't that also the expected uptime for a system _running_ the stable release? Can you imagine a machine with an 8 year uptime? I've heard of VAXes that have been up that long, but not an Intel system. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the sources of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power. P. J. O'Rourke signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Friday 11 March 2005 07:54, Shawn Willden wrote: Steve Dibb wrote: I have no sympathy for people who run RPM-based systems and then whine about dependencies. ;) I have no sympathy for people who run Debian systems and then whine about... damn. What is there to whine about again? I know there must be something... How 'bout the installer? ;-) -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a question? Read this first... http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html MythTV, Fedora Core ATrpms documentation: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ MythTV Searchable Mailing List Archive http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ pgpxed1FPP4IU.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
Russ Dill wrote: Why do people keep mentioning VNC? Why not just use ssh? If you want a login, just use XDMCP The problem I get into with XDMCP which I often use from cygwin is that my wireless connection goes out for a few seconds for some reason and all my processes get killed. Then I tell myself I should have been using VNC so I could reattach. Then I proceed to launch xwin again and not learn from my mistakes. Billy ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
Quoting Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 09 March 2005 16:05, Jarod Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 09 March 2005 15:03, Grant Edwards wrote: When I asked, I was told to install X and Qt. Â I agree that having to install X on a headless fileserver seems silly. How else are you going to run the setup utility? qt-embedded, of course. Hi Jarod, Thanks for all your replies. I can see from the archive link you provided me that there must be some bug in my ebuild file. Should be fixable - even by someone like me. So just to get it straight. If I compile mythtv with Qt/E I will be able to launch the setup program if I attach a monitor to my server? On the reasons why I don't want X on my system. I am trying to keep my system as minimal and clean as possible. I just don't think it is fair to force me into using several hours to install and configure X just to run a silly setup program. To the time it will take to install X add the time it will take to keep all those extra packages up to date in the future. I just don't want to if it is possible to avoid it. The reason I run linux (gentoo) is that I get to choose what I want and what I do not want on my system. /Lasse -- This mail was sent through Jay.net: http://www.jay.net ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On 3/9/2005 7:28 PM, Jarod Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 09 March 2005 16:05, Jarod Wilson wrote: Until someone writes something like an ncurses-based setup utility This would still be a nice alternative, but nice to haves need to be coded up by someone who really needs/wants it, or it'll likely never happen. :-) Well, I hate to admit it, but I have been toying with writing an ncurses based backend setup program. With multiple slave backends it would be nice, but as others have said X over ssh for the few times you actually go into the backend setup (I rarely do) is more convenient than writing a complete setup program in ncurses (yes, I have written curses programs before). Just more fuel for the fire. ;-) -- David ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
Quoting David George [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 3/9/2005 7:28 PM, Jarod Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 09 March 2005 16:05, Jarod Wilson wrote: Until someone writes something like an ncurses-based setup utility This would still be a nice alternative, but nice to haves need to be coded up by someone who really needs/wants it, or it'll likely never happen. :-) Well, I hate to admit it, but I have been toying with writing an ncurses based backend setup program. With multiple slave backends it would be nice, but as others have said X over ssh for the few times you actually go into the backend setup (I rarely do) is more convenient than writing a complete setup program in ncurses (yes, I have written curses programs before). Just more fuel for the fire. ;-) -- David I shall be the first to admit that I don't know a toss about it, but doesn't qt console look like a cooler way to do it than to rewrite it all in ncurses? http://www.dailystuff.nl/qtconsole/ -- This mail was sent through Jay.net: http://www.jay.net ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Thursday 10 March 2005 05:14 am, Lasse Lindgård wrote: On the reasons why I don't want X on my system. I am trying to keep my system as minimal and clean as possible. I just don't think it is fair to force me into using several hours to install and configure X just to run a silly setup program. To the time it will take to install X add the time it will take to keep all those extra packages up to date in the future. I just don't want to if it is possible to avoid it. The reason I run linux (gentoo) is that I get to choose what I want and what I do not want on my system. If time is so important to you, well, how about just using a real distribution, then, and stop wasting the time of people on this list? X is tiny (ie., minimyth is 50MB for a full distribution, including X) compared to recorded video. Isaac ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Thursday 10 March 2005 02:14, Lasse Lindgård wrote: I just don't think it is fair to force me into using several hours to install and configure X just to run a silly setup program. Fair? Its free software. You didn't pay anything for it. You're not entitled to anything. If you think its so unfair, you have the source. To the time it will take to install X add the time it will take to keep all those extra packages up to date in the future. I just don't want to if it is possible to avoid it. The reason I run linux (gentoo) is that I get to choose what I want and what I do not want on my system. I can do the same thing on both Debian and Red Hat, and in a lot less time. That's the reason I don't run Gentoo. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpEnbHgEVdBm.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
Please accept my apologies for bringing religion into the discussion. Just tell me: If I compile mythtv with Qt/E I will be able to launch the setup program if I just attach a monitor to my server? Thank you for your time -- This mail was sent through Jay.net: http://www.jay.net ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Thursday 10 March 2005 13:38, Lasse Lindgård wrote: If I compile mythtv with Qt/E I will be able to launch the setup program if I just attach a monitor to my server? So far as I know, yes, that's the idea. My headless backend has the minimal X libs needed to simply launch the normal version to a remote desktop through an ssh session. I'd suggest searching the mailing list archive for further info on Qt/E. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a question? Read this first... http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html MythTV, Fedora Core ATrpms documentation: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ MythTV Searchable Mailing List Archive http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ pgpmNwtFjtFhN.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 09:38:18PM +, Lasse Lindgård wrote: Please accept my apologies for bringing religion into the discussion. Just tell me: If I compile mythtv with Qt/E I will be able to launch the setup program if I just attach a monitor to my server? Thank you for your time There is no reason for you to attach a monitor to your server, no matter what version of Qt you link mythtv's setup program against. You must have an X server somewhere if you intend to run mythfrontend. cygwin's port of XFree86/Xorg will do fine if all you have is a windows machine. If you have a linux workstation you just ssh over to the server, run the X application (setup in this case) and the program's window appears on your workstation. Of course, ssh isn't always set up like this. You might have to enable X11Forwarding in the sshd_config file on the server and ForwardX11 in the ssh_config (or .ssh/config) file on the client side. Restart sshd on the server and log back in from your workstation, if you have to change these config files. Even if you don't want to monkey with that, on your workstation you can run something like: xhost + or xhost +thatmythserver Then, on the server run something like: export DISPLAY=myworkstation:0 Again, the window opened by the mythtv setup program will magically appear on your workstation. It's the power of X! That's why X11/Qt is no big deal for the setup program... you don't have to actually run X on the server... you just need the client libraries. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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BTW, even if there was a CLI and whatever, the mythbackend still uses QT as a general purpose library. QT-4.0 will have their general purpose classes and GUI classes broken out into seperate components, so conceivable, the backend would not require QT+X, only the utility classes within QT. The backend setup program would still require QT+X. The split would be similar to the GTK/GLIB split. Also, I have no sympathy for someone who runs gentoo, and then complains about things taking too long to install/maintain. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Thursday 10 March 2005 16:18, Russ Dill wrote: BTW, even if there was a CLI and whatever, the mythbackend still uses QT as a general purpose library. I thought as much. [...] Also, I have no sympathy for someone who runs gentoo, and then complains about things taking too long to install/maintain. Ditto. :D -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a question? Read this first... http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html MythTV, Fedora Core ATrpms documentation: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ MythTV Searchable Mailing List Archive http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ pgpIg2pRRL2WH.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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Jarod Wilson wrote: Also, I have no sympathy for someone who runs gentoo, and then complains about things taking too long to install/maintain. I have no sympathy for people who run RPM-based systems and then whine about dependencies. ;) Steve ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Thursday 10 March 2005 16:32, Steve Dibb wrote: Also, I have no sympathy for someone who runs gentoo, and then complains about things taking too long to install/maintain. I have no sympathy for people who run RPM-based systems and then whine about dependencies. ;) Me neither. Nobody was complaining about dependencies though. :-) -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a question? Read this first... http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html MythTV, Fedora Core ATrpms documentation: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ MythTV Searchable Mailing List Archive http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ pgpFDfVsx0PwM.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
You may already know this, but if you need to run _anything_ remotely on linux including x11 aps, well vnc does the job. A simple vnc xserver and vnc client and you can do whatever. Your approach sounds simpler though which is always good. I have a vncserver setup to auto load realplayer and then to play a audio stream I like. There are audio cables connected various places and a simple vncserver command from console is enough to get it going. Of course if anyone knows a way to play .rm internet streams directly from the console I'd definitely be curious. -Robert Denier http://www.finiteinfinity.com On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 20:46 -0500, Justin Hunt wrote: I have been wondering about how i could run setup without being at the actual backend for a while, and i just started writing a curses based port of the setup program. I cant promise anything but once i get it to do more then a little menu ill post it on the web and hopefully someone can give me some ideas to improve it. Justin On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:24:46 -0800, Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 10 March 2005 16:32, Steve Dibb wrote: Also, I have no sympathy for someone who runs gentoo, and then complains about things taking too long to install/maintain. I have no sympathy for people who run RPM-based systems and then whine about dependencies. ;) Me neither. Nobody was complaining about dependencies though. :-) -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a question? Read this first... http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html MythTV, Fedora Core ATrpms documentation: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ MythTV Searchable Mailing List Archive http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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cool. you have a canditate to test it. ;) cyth On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:46:40 -0500, Justin Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been wondering about how i could run setup without being at the actual backend for a while, and i just started writing a curses based port of the setup program. I cant promise anything but once i get it to do more then a little menu ill post it on the web and hopefully someone can give me some ideas to improve it. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Thursday 10 March 2005 17:46, Justin Hunt wrote: I have been wondering about how i could run setup without being at the actual backend for a while ssh w/X11 forwarding works just fine for me. Enable X11-forwarding in the backend's sshd config file, then: ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not sure what else might need doing, this works out of the box on FC3 (X11-forwarding is already enabled in FC3's sshd, but the -X is needed to tell the client to enable X11-forwarding also). and i just started writing a curses based port of the setup program. I cant promise anything but once i get it to do more then a little menu ill post it on the web and hopefully someone can give me some ideas to improve it. You should probably collaborate with David George, he mentioned doing the same thing earlier in this thread. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a question? Read this first... http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html MythTV, Fedora Core ATrpms documentation: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ MythTV Searchable Mailing List Archive http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ pgpk1FtIQ2wiG.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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Im more than willing to collaborate, however i cant say ive ever contributed to oss before so i dont know the process. Do you know a site that can provide me some info in how to organize it. so far ill just keep hacking away im learning quite a bit about how myth works in general. On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:01:49 -0800, Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 10 March 2005 17:46, Justin Hunt wrote: I have been wondering about how i could run setup without being at the actual backend for a while ssh w/X11 forwarding works just fine for me. Enable X11-forwarding in the backend's sshd config file, then: ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not sure what else might need doing, this works out of the box on FC3 (X11-forwarding is already enabled in FC3's sshd, but the -X is needed to tell the client to enable X11-forwarding also). and i just started writing a curses based port of the setup program. I cant promise anything but once i get it to do more then a little menu ill post it on the web and hopefully someone can give me some ideas to improve it. You should probably collaborate with David George, he mentioned doing the same thing earlier in this thread. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a question? Read this first... http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html MythTV, Fedora Core ATrpms documentation: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ MythTV Searchable Mailing List Archive http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- Justin Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bd.a.la Home: 416-926-1664 x 4238 Cell: 416-779-1201 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:01:49 -0800, Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ssh w/X11 forwarding works just fine for me. Enable X11-forwarding in the backend's sshd config file, then: ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not sure what else might need doing, this works out of the box on FC3 (X11-forwarding is already enabled in FC3's sshd, but the -X is needed to tell the client to enable X11-forwarding also). If you don't already have it, create ~/.ssh/config on the client machine. Then add this: Host * ForwardX11 yes This will automatically enable X11 forwarding for any machine you log into. Of course, it's much safer to add, say: Host mymythbackend ForwardX11 yes That way you only explicitly allow X forwarding for the machine named mymythbackend. All other machines you log into will not allow X forwarding unless you include -X on the command line. You can add as many Host entries as you like, but keep in the mind that the first entry in the file takes precedence so make sure any 'Host *' entry is the last one in the file. If 'Host *' is the first entry in the config file my understanding is that it will override any other settings you have in there. Brad ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
Ok, this is drifting a bit OT, but I'm going to strike while the iron is hot. I've got my backend machine set up and pretty much working, but it is going in the closet so I don't have to listen to it. I need to get VNC working. In the past when I was running FC1, I just did apt-get for TightVNC and I was all set. Starting a VNC server and connecting yielded me my complete KDE/Gnome/WhateverWM desktop. Now that I'm running FC3, TightVNC doesn't seem to be available, and when I connect using the already installed vncserver, all I get is a minimalist TWM environment. How to get a full-on desktop? I'm suspecting I need to edit one or more of the X config files, but I'm clueless. If there's a FAQ for this one, please point me to it. Thanks! -Pete On Mar 10, 2005, at 6:11 PM, Robert Denier wrote: You may already know this, but if you need to run _anything_ remotely on linux including x11 aps, well vnc does the job. A simple vnc xserver and vnc client and you can do whatever. Your approach sounds simpler though which is always good. I have a vncserver setup to auto load realplayer and then to play a audio stream I like. There are audio cables connected various places and a simple vncserver command from console is enough to get it going. Of course if anyone knows a way to play .rm internet streams directly from the console I'd definitely be curious. -Robert Denier http://www.finiteinfinity.com On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 20:46 -0500, Justin Hunt wrote: I have been wondering about how i could run setup without being at the actual backend for a while, and i just started writing a curses based port of the setup program. I cant promise anything but once i get it to do more then a little menu ill post it on the web and hopefully someone can give me some ideas to improve it. Justin On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:24:46 -0800, Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 10 March 2005 16:32, Steve Dibb wrote: Also, I have no sympathy for someone who runs gentoo, and then complains about things taking too long to install/maintain. I have no sympathy for people who run RPM-based systems and then whine about dependencies. ;) Me neither. Nobody was complaining about dependencies though. :-) -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a question? Read this first... http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html MythTV, Fedora Core ATrpms documentation: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ MythTV Searchable Mailing List Archive http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:02:30 -0800, Peter Loron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, this is drifting a bit OT, but I'm going to strike while the iron is hot. I've got my backend machine set up and pretty much working, but it is going in the closet so I don't have to listen to it. I need to get VNC working. In the past when I was running FC1, I just did apt-get for TightVNC and I was all set. Starting a VNC server and connecting yielded me my complete KDE/Gnome/WhateverWM desktop. Now that I'm running FC3, TightVNC doesn't seem to be available, and when I connect using the already installed vncserver, all I get is a minimalist TWM environment. How to get a full-on desktop? I'm suspecting I need to edit one or more of the X config files, but I'm clueless. If there's a FAQ for this one, please point me to it. Why do people keep mentioning VNC? Why not just use ssh? If you want a login, just use XDMCP ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
Peter Loron wrote: Ok, this is drifting a bit OT, but I'm going to strike while the iron is hot. I've got my backend machine set up and pretty much working, but it is going in the closet so I don't have to listen to it. I need to get VNC working. In the past when I was running FC1, I just did apt-get for TightVNC and I was all set. Starting a VNC server and connecting yielded me my complete KDE/Gnome/WhateverWM desktop. Now that I'm running FC3, TightVNC doesn't seem to be available, and when I connect using the already installed vncserver, all I get is a minimalist TWM environment. How to get a full-on desktop? I'm suspecting I need to edit one or more of the X config files, but I'm clueless. If there's a FAQ for this one, please point me to it. Why bother with a full-on desktop anyway? You have X installed on the machine, I assume you have X somewhere else too... ssh into the machine, set your DISPLAY to be your desktop machine, and just run your X apps as normal. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 10:21:07PM +, Lasse Lindgård wrote: I do not want X or qt on the server and I can't see why I should. All I want to run is the backend for capturing video. The frontend will run elsewhere. Several months back I asked why one had to install X and Qt on a backend-only system. The anwswer was that the backend software uses Qt, and Qt (in practice, if not in theory) requires X. I was wondering if there is a howto somewhere on getting this scenario up and running? AFAIK, you have to install X and Qt. I am also looking for some kind of minimal dependency list that only covers what I will need to run the backend. The list in the documentation seems to cover what I will need for everything. Yup. It is hard to find any info anywhere on how to do this. So I am hoping to get some hints from you guys. When I asked, I was told to install X and Qt. I agree that having to install X on a headless fileserver seems silly. -- Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
When I asked, I was told to install X and Qt. I agree that having to install X on a headless fileserver seems silly. -- Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have to disagree on the sillyness. There is no easier way to do some things than to vnc into the box from another machine. Of course if you are like most linux people then you actually prefer to do things the hard way :) Bill ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
Quoting Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 10:21:07PM +, Lasse Lindgård wrote: I do not want X or qt on the server and I can't see why I should. All I want to run is the backend for capturing video. The frontend will run elsewhere. Several months back I asked why one had to install X and Qt on a backend-only system. The anwswer was that the backend software uses Qt, and Qt (in practice, if not in theory) requires X. I may be a fool. But I don't take no for an answer just like that. I need to understand *why* QT is needed and why qt-embedded can't replace it. I have peeked in the source code of mythtv, qt and qt/embedded. I am by no means an expert but I still think my findings are valid. mainserver.cpp in the backend subproject imports the following headers: #include qapplication.h #include qsqldatabase.h #include qdatetime.h #include qfile.h #include qdir.h #include qurl.h #include qthread.h #include qwaitcondition.h #include qregexp.h Looking at the source code of qt-embedded I find all of these interfaces present. So why is it that qt-embedded isn't good enough? /Lasse -- This mail was sent through Jay.net: http://www.jay.net ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 15:03, Grant Edwards wrote: When I asked, I was told to install X and Qt. I agree that having to install X on a headless fileserver seems silly. How else are you going to run the setup utility? Until someone writes something like an ncurses-based setup utility, I think folks are SOL. Eliminating the need for a few megabytes of space for X libs and Qt isn't exactly high priority. Once you're done with setup, don't run them. If you're short on space on a dedicated backend, you've got bigger problems (like, no room for recordings :-). -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a question? Read this first... http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html MythTV, Fedora Core ATrpms documentation: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ MythTV Searchable Mailing List Archive http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ pgp6aKGWlYZg8.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 16:05, Jarod Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 09 March 2005 15:03, Grant Edwards wrote: When I asked, I was told to install X and Qt. I agree that having to install X on a headless fileserver seems silly. How else are you going to run the setup utility? qt-embedded, of course. Until someone writes something like an ncurses-based setup utility This would still be a nice alternative, but nice to haves need to be coded up by someone who really needs/wants it, or it'll likely never happen. :-) -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a question? Read this first... http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html MythTV, Fedora Core ATrpms documentation: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ MythTV Searchable Mailing List Archive http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ pgpa72RD6paib.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 04:05:32PM -0800, Jarod Wilson wrote: How else are you going to run the setup utility? Until someone writes something like an ncurses-based setup utility, I think folks are SOL. Edit a few files and type some SQL commands? Obviously the disk space required for X and Qt is trivial on a machine intended for video recording. -- Grant ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 17:41, Grant Edwards wrote: On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 04:05:32PM -0800, Jarod Wilson wrote: How else are you going to run the setup utility? Until someone writes something like an ncurses-based setup utility, I think folks are SOL. Edit a few files and type some SQL commands? Hm, was going to say maybe that wouldn't be so hard to make a reality by simply editing a few things in mc.sql, but further thought leads me to believe this wouldn't be practical at all. Configuring any one of the myriad of input devices Myth supports doesn't lend itself very well to making edits in a text file, seeing as how Myth's setup util dynamically probes the available inputs on most capture devices, assign created channel listings to inputs, etc. If your mbe had no cards, then text files and sql might be fine, I suppose. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a question? Read this first... http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html MythTV, Fedora Core ATrpms documentation: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ MythTV Searchable Mailing List Archive http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ pgpfHEx9VAlgP.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 18:21, Bryan Halter wrote: How else are you going to run the setup utility? Until someone writes something like an ncurses-based setup utility, I think folks are SOL. [...] Would a ncurses based mythsetup be out of the question? That was my suggestion for a no-X, no-Qt setup util. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a question? Read this first... http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html MythTV, Fedora Core ATrpms documentation: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ MythTV Searchable Mailing List Archive http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ pgpG6CkoPE9U0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Mar 9, 2005, at 9:41 PM, Jarod Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 09 March 2005 18:21, Bryan Halter wrote: How else are you going to run the setup utility? Until someone writes something like an ncurses-based setup utility, I think folks are SOL. [...] Would a ncurses based mythsetup be out of the question? That was my suggestion for a no-X, no-Qt setup util. I run the setup program on my headless backend all the time. I just ssh into it from my frontend and run setup. The setup program is displayed on the frontend using X but is actually run from the backend and modifies the backend's settings. If you have a headless backend then you must have a frontend running on X, unless it is on OSX then I don't know. - James ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 19:49, James Armstrong wrote: On Mar 9, 2005, at 9:41 PM, Jarod Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 09 March 2005 18:21, Bryan Halter wrote: How else are you going to run the setup utility? Until someone writes something like an ncurses-based setup utility, I think folks are SOL. [...] Would a ncurses based mythsetup be out of the question? That was my suggestion for a no-X, no-Qt setup util. I run the setup program on my headless backend all the time. I just ssh into it from my frontend and run setup. The setup program is displayed on the frontend using X but is actually run from the backend and modifies the backend's settings. I know, I do the same. The question was why X and Qt even have to be on the backend though. If you have a headless backend then you must have a frontend running on X, unless it is on OSX then I don't know. Run X11 on the Mac and do the exact same thing. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a question? Read this first... http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html MythTV, Fedora Core ATrpms documentation: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ MythTV Searchable Mailing List Archive http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ pgpGTToZyMzK8.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
Jarod Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 09 March 2005 19:49, James Armstrong wrote: On Mar 9, 2005, at 9:41 PM, Jarod Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 09 March 2005 18:21, Bryan Halter wrote: How else are you going to run the setup utility? Until someone writes something like an ncurses-based setup utility, I think folks are SOL. [...] Would a ncurses based mythsetup be out of the question? That was my suggestion for a no-X, no-Qt setup util. I run the setup program on my headless backend all the time. I just ssh into it from my frontend and run setup. The setup program is displayed on the frontend using X but is actually run from the backend and modifies the backend's settings. I know, I do the same. The question was why X and Qt even have to be on the backend though. When you run an X application remotely, it is the GUI output that gets displayed at the local machine. In other words, if you ssh into the backend from a frontend (or any *nix box) and run mythsetup, mythsetup runs on the backend (ie it's using the backend's CPU cycles), but the output is displayed on the frontend. Hope this explains why you'll need X and Qt on the backend. If you have a headless backend then you must have a frontend running on X, unless it is on OSX then I don't know. Run X11 on the Mac and do the exact same thing. Just my 2 cents worth. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 22:16, KianTeck wrote: I run the setup program on my headless backend all the time. I just ssh into it from my frontend and run setup. The setup program is displayed on the frontend using X but is actually run from the backend and modifies the backend's settings. I know, I do the same. The question was why X and Qt even have to be on the backend though. When you run an X application remotely, it is the GUI output that gets displayed at the local machine. In other words, if you ssh into the backend from a frontend (or any *nix box) Or from Windows w/an X server running (I've done it w/Cygwin's X server). and run mythsetup, mythsetup runs on the backend (ie it's using the backend's CPU cycles), but the output is displayed on the frontend. I know that too. :-) Hope this explains why you'll need X and Qt on the backend. Not exactly, at least, not in the way the OP is after, I believe. I think the OP was after a way to do master backend setup without any X or Qt at all. I completely understand why X and Qt are needed with the current setup utility. I believe the question was more why isn't there a cli way to do it?. The main reason is because nobody has written the code to do it. Its been hashed over a few times on the list before. Saving a few people a few megabytes of storage on a system that should have several GB of storage (for recordings) just isn't a priority. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a question? Read this first... http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html MythTV, Fedora Core ATrpms documentation: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ MythTV Searchable Mailing List Archive http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ pgpGSyY017g3w.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
