Re: [mythtv-users] Two Different Backend systems talking together
Richard J. Sears wrote: Hey Everyone, I have a second house that I want to put MythTV into. I have a T1 at my first house and a 3MB dsl line in the other house. I wanted to share programs and music and stuff between the sites without having to have cable, the music files, etc in both places. Is there any way for one complete Myth system to talk to another and transfer the requested movies or music in the background fr later viewing..? Does someone have a good way to set this up..? ** Richard J. Sears how about just have rsync run out of cron and move things incrementally to sync one /video (or wherever you keep your nuvs) to the other machine? you'd have to get a little fancier to sync the mysql databases but not much...dump db, move text file, import new sql file. the crunch would be moving the gigs and gigs of nuv files. could all be scripted quite trivially. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Two Different Backend systems talking together
Great! When you find out, post to the list if you don't mind... I'm interested in it for work as well. -Tu --- Richard Sears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow - looks very interesting - I will check and see > what the cost is ! > > > > On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:17:43 -0800 (PST), Tu Holmes > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- "Tom E. Craddock Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Richard J. Sears wrote: > > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > > > > > I have a second house that I want to put > MythTV > > > into. I have a T1 at my > > > > first house and a 3MB dsl line in the other > house. > > > > > > > > I wanted to share programs and music and stuff > > > between the sites without > > > > having to have cable, the music files, etc in > both > > > places. > > > > > > > > Is there any way for one complete Myth system > to > > > talk to another and > > > > transfer the requested movies or music in the > > > background fr later > > > > viewing..? > > > > > > > > Does someone have a good way to set this up..? > > > > > > > > ** > > > > Richard J. Sears > > > > Perhaps something like this? > > > > > http://www.radiantdata.com/English/Products/Replication.html > > > > This would keep all things synced all of the time. > > > > I am unsure of the cost though... > > > > -Tu > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ___ > > mythtv-users mailing list > > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > > > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > > > > > > > -- > ** > Richard J. Sears > Vice President > American Internet Services > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.adnc.com > > 858.576.4272 - Phone > 858.427.2401 - Fax > INOC-DBA - 6130 > > > I fly because it releases my mind > from the tyranny of petty things . . > > > "Work like you don't need the money, love like > you've > never been hurt and dance like you do when nobody's > watching." > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Two Different Backend systems talking together
Wow - looks very interesting - I will check and see what the cost is ! On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:17:43 -0800 (PST), Tu Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- "Tom E. Craddock Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Richard J. Sears wrote: > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > > > I have a second house that I want to put MythTV > > into. I have a T1 at my > > > first house and a 3MB dsl line in the other house. > > > > > > I wanted to share programs and music and stuff > > between the sites without > > > having to have cable, the music files, etc in both > > places. > > > > > > Is there any way for one complete Myth system to > > talk to another and > > > transfer the requested movies or music in the > > background fr later > > > viewing..? > > > > > > Does someone have a good way to set this up..? > > > > > > ** > > > Richard J. Sears > > Perhaps something like this? > > http://www.radiantdata.com/English/Products/Replication.html > > This would keep all things synced all of the time. > > I am unsure of the cost though... > > -Tu > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > -- ** Richard J. Sears Vice President American Internet Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.adnc.com 858.576.4272 - Phone 858.427.2401 - Fax INOC-DBA - 6130 I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . "Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt and dance like you do when nobody's watching." ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Two Different Backend systems talking together
Richard J. Sears wrote: Hey Everyone, I have a second house that I want to put MythTV into. I have a T1 at my first house and a 3MB dsl line in the other house. I wanted to share programs and music and stuff between the sites without having to have cable, the music files, etc in both places. Is there any way for one complete Myth system to talk to another and transfer the requested movies or music in the background fr later viewing..? Does someone have a good way to set this up..? First, I would probably suggest a VPN between your locations. This would allow you to have both networks connected and even sharing an IP subnet so pointing the boxes at each other is very simple. Your best option might be creating a post-processing job for your recordings that launches a DB query and insert from one site to the other (depending on which site the file was recorded at) and then either run or schedule via cron an rsync of the file. This way, each Myth system would have the DB entries for the recordings and once the rsync was finished, each would have a copy of the file. You could also "re-execute" mythcommflag on the recording at the receiving site once received using ssh to build the markup table and flag commercials. I would think your music might be small enough to handle being shared from one site to the other on demand. As for movies, a scheduled rsync of the video folder and export/import of the video database tables should be enough to keep those in sysnc. The same would apply for music if you found the on demand sharing to be unworkable. Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Two Different Backend systems talking together
--- "Tom E. Craddock Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard J. Sears wrote: > > Hey Everyone, > > > > I have a second house that I want to put MythTV > into. I have a T1 at my > > first house and a 3MB dsl line in the other house. > > > > I wanted to share programs and music and stuff > between the sites without > > having to have cable, the music files, etc in both > places. > > > > Is there any way for one complete Myth system to > talk to another and > > transfer the requested movies or music in the > background fr later > > viewing..? > > > > Does someone have a good way to set this up..? > > > > ** > > Richard J. Sears Perhaps something like this? http://www.radiantdata.com/English/Products/Replication.html This would keep all things synced all of the time. I am unsure of the cost though... -Tu __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Two Different Backend systems talking together
--- "Tom E. Craddock Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard J. Sears wrote: > > Hey Everyone, > > > > I have a second house that I want to put MythTV > into. I have a T1 at my > > first house and a 3MB dsl line in the other house. > > > > I wanted to share programs and music and stuff > between the sites without > > having to have cable, the music files, etc in both > places. > > > > Is there any way for one complete Myth system to > talk to another and > > transfer the requested movies or music in the > background fr later > > viewing..? > > > > Does someone have a good way to set this up..? > > > > ** > > Richard J. Sears Perhaps something like this? http://www.radiantdata.com/English/Products/Replication.html This would keep all things synced all of the time. I am unsure of the cost though... -Tu __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Two Different Backend systems talking together
I like the Rsync idea or some such solution, but duplicating the database is overkill and will do exactly what you are saying here. I'd suggest creating a custom SQL script that only duplicates the needed tables or one that runs and deletes the scheduled recordings information from the scheduled recordings table (I don't know the real name for that table). This would allow you to have the same data and access to the data on both systems without having to have the schedule and even the hardware config the same (if you didn't copy the hardware data). The first questionthat comes to mind (it is a small concern) though is what happens when you delete a viewed file form the second house (slave system). It will reappear the next time things are sync'd because it was not deleted on the master. It would take a pretty significant change to make that sort of thing go away, and probably not worth it. Other than that you could duplicate the whole database and then run a "delete from ScheduledPrograms" script to clear that table. All would be well with the scheduled progs on the slave then. I was thinking the same thing yesterday when I finished setting up MythTV at my office. I really only wanted one way communication so I don't think it would be too difficult. I am only interested in recordings, although I don't think music, video, or pictures would pose too much of a problem. Anybody see something I am missing in copying the files overnight then dumping the 'recorded' & 'recorded markup' table to the other box? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Two Different Backend systems talking together
Yeah, Me too. WOW. On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:51:16 -0800, Richard J. Sears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow!! > > On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:09:46 -0500 > "Tom E. Craddock Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Richard J. Sears wrote: > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > > > I have a second house that I want to put MythTV into. I have a T1 at my > > > first house and a 3MB dsl line in the other house. > > > > > > I wanted to share programs and music and stuff between the sites without > > > having to have cable, the music files, etc in both places. > > > > > > Is there any way for one complete Myth system to talk to another and > > > transfer the requested movies or music in the background fr later > > > viewing..? > > > > > > Does someone have a good way to set this up..? > > > > > > ** > > > Richard J. Sears > > > > Rich, > > > > Looks like the plutohome.com already has something like this. Heres the > > info from thier page > > (http://plutohome.com/index.php?section=personal_computing) > > > > "When you have multiple homes with Pluto systems, they can all be joined > > as one. Every Pluto Core will automatically create a VPN (virtual > > private network) connection to the others. It's completely safe and > > fully encrypted. The benefit is that you can go from one house to > > another and know that you will still have access to all your files no > > matter where you are without the hassle of copying them." > > > > HTH. > > > > Tom > > > > > > ___ > > mythtv-users mailing list > > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > ** > Richard J. Sears > Vice President > American Internet Services > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.adnc.com > > 858.576.4272 - Phone > 858.427.2401 - Fax > INOC-DBA - 6130 > > > I fly because it releases my mind > from the tyranny of petty things . . > > "Work like you don't need the money, love like you've > never been hurt and dance like you do when nobody's > watching." > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > -- I have plenty of G Mail invites. Ask me if you'd like one. G Mail rocks for email lists. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Two Different Backend systems talking together
Wow!! On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:09:46 -0500 "Tom E. Craddock Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard J. Sears wrote: > > Hey Everyone, > > > > I have a second house that I want to put MythTV into. I have a T1 at my > > first house and a 3MB dsl line in the other house. > > > > I wanted to share programs and music and stuff between the sites without > > having to have cable, the music files, etc in both places. > > > > Is there any way for one complete Myth system to talk to another and > > transfer the requested movies or music in the background fr later > > viewing..? > > > > Does someone have a good way to set this up..? > > > > ** > > Richard J. Sears > > Rich, > > Looks like the plutohome.com already has something like this. Heres the > info from thier page > (http://plutohome.com/index.php?section=personal_computing) > > "When you have multiple homes with Pluto systems, they can all be joined > as one. Every Pluto Core will automatically create a VPN (virtual > private network) connection to the others. It's completely safe and > fully encrypted. The benefit is that you can go from one house to > another and know that you will still have access to all your files no > matter where you are without the hassle of copying them." > > HTH. > > Tom > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ** Richard J. Sears Vice President American Internet Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.adnc.com 858.576.4272 - Phone 858.427.2401 - Fax INOC-DBA - 6130 I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . "Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt and dance like you do when nobody's watching." ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Two Different Backend systems talking together
Richard J. Sears wrote: Hey Everyone, I have a second house that I want to put MythTV into. I have a T1 at my first house and a 3MB dsl line in the other house. I wanted to share programs and music and stuff between the sites without having to have cable, the music files, etc in both places. Is there any way for one complete Myth system to talk to another and transfer the requested movies or music in the background fr later viewing..? Does someone have a good way to set this up..? ** Richard J. Sears Rich, Looks like the plutohome.com already has something like this. Heres the info from thier page (http://plutohome.com/index.php?section=personal_computing) "When you have multiple homes with Pluto systems, they can all be joined as one. Every Pluto Core will automatically create a VPN (virtual private network) connection to the others. It's completely safe and fully encrypted. The benefit is that you can go from one house to another and know that you will still have access to all your files no matter where you are without the hassle of copying them." HTH. Tom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Two Different Backend systems talking together
John Williams wrote: I'd suggest creating a custom SQL script that only duplicates the needed tables or one that runs and deletes the scheduled recordings information from the scheduled recordings table. Yep, and then you'd be sliding down the slippery slope on your way to implementing a media replication scheme between the backends with priorities and scheduling changes until they become aware and create Skynet. :-) Don't get me wrong, I'd see this functionality (well, not the Skynet part) as a Godsend, but I'm not really sure anyone of us has the time nor the resources to pull it off in a reasonable amount of time. I'm just saying that whomever sets his (or her) teeth in this one probably won't settle for basic functionality, once started down this road. Let's call it human nature, geek-style. / Rickard Olsson,IT-Konsult/ / Telefon: +46 70 635 01 42/ / http://www.webhackande.se/ ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Two Different Backend systems talking together
> identical systems. But you'd need to have the same cable subscription in > both locations since both Myths would try to record the same shows. Not > really a perfect solution, I'm afraid. I like the Rsync idea or some such solution, but duplicating the database is overkill and will do exactly what you are saying here. I'd suggest creating a custom SQL script that only duplicates the needed tables or one that runs and deletes the scheduled recordings information from the scheduled recordings table (I don't know the real name for that table). This would allow you to have the same data and access to the data on both systems without having to have the schedule and even the hardware config the same (if you didn't copy the hardware data). The first questionthat comes to mind (it is a small concern) though is what happens when you delete a viewed file form the second house (slave system). It will reappear the next time things are sync'd because it was not deleted on the master. It would take a pretty significant change to make that sort of thing go away, and probably not worth it. Other than that you could duplicate the whole database and then run a "delete from ScheduledPrograms" script to clear that table. All would be well with the scheduled progs on the slave then. -- I have plenty of G Mail invites. Ask me if you'd like one. G Mail rocks for email lists. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Two Different Backend systems talking together
Hi Richard, I would assume since Myth can rip dvd's and place them on the system for viewing at anytime that I could build one of the myth systems with no cable or channel access and have it simply see all of the rsync'd content as recorded content..? I would think that the ability to send files from one unit to another (much like I do with my replay TV units) or to 'buffer' a certain amount of the program for playing back on another unit would be very helpful thing to have, at least in my case :-) On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:28:07 +0100 Rickard Olsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard J. Sears wrote: > > > I wanted to share programs and music and stuff between the sites without > > having to have cable, the music files, etc in both places. > > Is there any way for one complete Myth system to talk to another and > > transfer the requested movies or music in the background fr later > > viewing..? > > AFAIK there's no mechanism in place for 'requesting' movies and music > like that and the DSL is too slow for on-demand viewing over the > network, especially if you're doing HDTV... > > I've been thinking about something similar between home (10mbps fiber) > and work (3mbps fiber) where I have DVB-T access at home but no TV > reception at all at work, 500GB storage in the home server and 1.2TB at > work. I'm leaning towards just having a frontend at work and the backend > at home and replicating some of the smaller media files like music > between the sites with rsync or unison. > > Since I suspect money isn't a limiting factor in your case, the easiest > way to solve your problem might be to just build two storage arrays and > replicate them and the MySQL databases, effectively creating two > identical systems. But you'd need to have the same cable subscription in > both locations since both Myths would try to record the same shows. Not > really a perfect solution, I'm afraid. > > OT: This sounds like the kind of feature that might be worthwhile to put > in a commercial MythTV Pro version - it's going to be a lot of work to > implement properly and pretty few people will have a use for it but > those who do might be willing to pay for the functionality. > > / Rickard Olsson,IT-Konsult/ > / Telefon: +46 70 635 01 42/ >/ http://www.webhackande.se/ ** Richard J. Sears Vice President American Internet Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.adnc.com 858.576.4272 - Phone 858.427.2401 - Fax INOC-DBA - 6130 I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . "Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt and dance like you do when nobody's watching." ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Two Different Backend systems talking together
Richard J. Sears wrote: I wanted to share programs and music and stuff between the sites without having to have cable, the music files, etc in both places. Is there any way for one complete Myth system to talk to another and transfer the requested movies or music in the background fr later viewing..? AFAIK there's no mechanism in place for 'requesting' movies and music like that and the DSL is too slow for on-demand viewing over the network, especially if you're doing HDTV... I've been thinking about something similar between home (10mbps fiber) and work (3mbps fiber) where I have DVB-T access at home but no TV reception at all at work, 500GB storage in the home server and 1.2TB at work. I'm leaning towards just having a frontend at work and the backend at home and replicating some of the smaller media files like music between the sites with rsync or unison. Since I suspect money isn't a limiting factor in your case, the easiest way to solve your problem might be to just build two storage arrays and replicate them and the MySQL databases, effectively creating two identical systems. But you'd need to have the same cable subscription in both locations since both Myths would try to record the same shows. Not really a perfect solution, I'm afraid. OT: This sounds like the kind of feature that might be worthwhile to put in a commercial MythTV Pro version - it's going to be a lot of work to implement properly and pretty few people will have a use for it but those who do might be willing to pay for the functionality. / Rickard Olsson,IT-Konsult/ / Telefon: +46 70 635 01 42/ / http://www.webhackande.se/ ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Two Different Backend systems talking together
Hey Everyone, I have a second house that I want to put MythTV into. I have a T1 at my first house and a 3MB dsl line in the other house. I wanted to share programs and music and stuff between the sites without having to have cable, the music files, etc in both places. Is there any way for one complete Myth system to talk to another and transfer the requested movies or music in the background fr later viewing..? Does someone have a good way to set this up..? ** Richard J. Sears Vice President American Internet Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.adnc.com 858.576.4272 - Phone 858.427.2401 - Fax INOC-DBA - 6130 I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . "Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt and dance like you do when nobody's watching." ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
