Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone else having problems ripping new movies?
Andrew Gallatin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Valdemar Morch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can only repeat that it sure sounds to me like a hardware or DVD-burner-driver problem. But of course what you choose to spend your time on is up to you. And I might be wrong! :-D I think I'll throw $25 at the problem and get cheap player, and hope I have more luck with that. For the archives: Yep, you were right. I got a Toshiba branded DVD player, and everything seems to work as it should. Thanks for the advice! Drew ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone else having problems ripping new movies?
Andrew Gallatin gallatin-at-cs.duke.edu |Lists| wrote: everything seems to work as it should. Hurray! And thanks for letting us all know the end-result! ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone else having problems ripping new movies?
Peter Valdemar Morch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Gallatin gallatin-at-cs.duke.edu |Lists| wrote: Xine does work though, exactly once per insertion of a DVD. If I try to use it a second time, it doesn't work.I don't think dd has a chance to work, since there was no dvdcss auth done... dd doesn't use or need dvdcss. It creates a binary copy of the DVD. dd doesn't care what is on it. When dd has created a binary copy of the DVD in /tmp and xine runs that, xine will call dvdcss to decrypt that binary image in /tmp. dd needs to work. Every time. Only then will you know that the OS can get at your DVD drive reliably. I think there are 2 layers of encryption. Sector level, and file level. And I think the problem I'm having is with the first level. To prove this to myself, I did an exeriment in another machine (Apple G5, running SLES9) with a different DVD drive (hda: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-106D, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive) If I attempt to dd the DVD straight off, then I get the same read errors from dd that I get on my mythtv box. However, if I run anything which uses libdvdcss, then the DVD is unlocked, and all subsequent dd commands succeed. The resulting image has VOBs which are still encrypted. Whereas on my myth box, the drive doesn't stay unlocked, so after the dvdcss-using app closes the drive, dd's will fail because the drive somehow re-locks itself. I think the behaviour I see on the G5 is the correct behaviour that all the myth transcoding stuff is designed to deal with. That fact the dd freezes your system is also an indication that something bad is up with your DVD drive. Again, I'm pretty sure that was due to the ext2 oops. I can only repeat that it sure sounds to me like a hardware or DVD-burner-driver problem. But of course what you choose to spend your time on is up to you. And I might be wrong! :-D I think I'll throw $25 at the problem and get cheap player, and hope I have more luck with that. Drew ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone else having problems ripping new movies?
john roberts homepagez-at-lycos.com |Lists| wrote: I'm surprised I haven't seen this posted yet - but from google-ing around I found there is a new encryption method being used on some of the latest movies. This seems to prevent libdvdcss (1.2.8) from working. Just thought you might want to know why MythDVD/Rip doesn't work on some of the latest movies. -John But, uhm, if libdvdcss fails, doesn't that affect playback as well as ripping? If not, how so? Do you have a link or two to the story? What did you search for? Peter -- Peter Valdemar Mørch http://www.. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone else having problems ripping new movies?
Peter Valdemar Morch wrote: john roberts homepagez-at-lycos.com |Lists| wrote: I'm surprised I haven't seen this posted yet - but from google-ing around I found there is a new encryption method being used on some of the latest movies. This seems to prevent libdvdcss (1.2.8) from working. Just thought you might want to know why MythDVD/Rip doesn't work on some of the latest movies. -John But, uhm, if libdvdcss fails, doesn't that affect playback as well as ripping? If not, how so? Do you have a link or two to the story? What did you search for? Is this just the new Macrovision RipGuard protection you are talking about? Link: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/15/macrovision_ripguard/ This is not a new encryption system. They would not be able to change encryption algorithms otherwise all existing players would stop working. Basically this is the same as the CD protection they introduced where they fill the DVD with artificial errors in an attempt to confuse PC ripping software, although (hopefully) consumer players will be able to ignore the faults. Obviously introducing all these errors will reduce the life of the disc since the existing error correction capabilities will be severely reduced... and you'll have to buy replacement discs more often, and you won't have been able to take a backup copy... and... hold on... it's as if they want you to have to keep buying the same disc over and over. :-) -- Ivor http://www.ivor.it/goog - MSN Search unbiased? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone else having problems ripping new movies?
Scot L. Harris webid-at-cfl.rr.com |Lists| wrote: I would settle for getting it to work on my older movies. :) One of the last major issues I have with my setup. Unable to play a DVD or import one. I most often do a binary copy of the DVDs rather than a rip. And then play the binary copy of the dvd. Something like: dd if=/dev/dvd of=/tmp/copy_of.dvd bs=2048 xinev --auto-scan dvd dvd:///tmp/copy_of.dvd/ Or you may do that at a friend's house where you know his setup works. Can you play DVDs with just regular xine? Outside of Myth? With Mplayer? That may help you separate whether it is a DVD hardware problem or a xine software problem I actually had hardware problems that went away when I replaced the physical DVD drive... Peter -- Peter Valdemar Mørch http://www.. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone else having problems ripping new movies?
Ah - I think you have it correct. This would make sense. One of the many links which discusses such issues with the new DVD's can be found at: http://www.videohelp.com/forum/archive/t253624.html So - am I incorrect in thinking this will need to be addressed in libdvdcss? Thanks, -John - Original Message - From: Ivor Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion about mythtv mythtv-users@mythtv.org Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone else having problems ripping new movies? Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:46:49 + Peter Valdemar Morch wrote: john roberts homepagez-at-lycos.com |Lists| wrote: I'm surprised I haven't seen this posted yet - but from google-ing around I found there is a new encryption method being used on some of the latest movies. This seems to prevent libdvdcss (1.2.8) from working. Just thought you might want to know why MythDVD/Rip doesn't work on some of the latest movies. -John But, uhm, if libdvdcss fails, doesn't that affect playback as well as ripping? If not, how so? Do you have a link or two to the story? What did you search for? Is this just the new Macrovision RipGuard protection you are talking about? Link: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/15/macrovision_ripguard/ This is not a new encryption system. They would not be able to change encryption algorithms otherwise all existing players would stop working. Basically this is the same as the CD protection they introduced where they fill the DVD with artificial errors in an attempt to confuse PC ripping software, although (hopefully) consumer players will be able to ignore the faults. Obviously introducing all these errors will reduce the life of the disc since the existing error correction capabilities will be severely reduced... and you'll have to buy replacement discs more often, and you won't have been able to take a backup copy... and... hold on... it's as if they want you to have to keep buying the same disc over and over. :-) -- Ivor http://www.ivor.it/goog - MSN Search unbiased? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- ___ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone else having problems ripping new movies?
Ivor Hewitt wrote: Peter Valdemar Morch wrote: john roberts homepagez-at-lycos.com |Lists| wrote: I'm surprised I haven't seen this posted yet - but from google-ing around I found there is a new encryption method being used on some of the latest movies. This seems to prevent libdvdcss (1.2.8) from working. Just thought you might want to know why MythDVD/Rip doesn't work on some of the latest movies. -John But, uhm, if libdvdcss fails, doesn't that affect playback as well as ripping? If not, how so? Do you have a link or two to the story? What did you search for? Is this just the new Macrovision RipGuard protection you are talking about? Link: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/15/macrovision_ripguard/ This is not a new encryption system. They would not be able to change encryption algorithms otherwise all existing players would stop working. There is a new Sony encryption. It started around The Forgotten movie release, I think there was one movie right before that. It has been cracked on the Windows platform already. Don't know anything about Linux. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/154963 - James ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone else having problems ripping new movies?
Not sure... I didn't attempt to play the movie with Myth. :( An external DVD player worked fine. - Original Message - From: Peter Valdemar Morch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mythtv-users@mythtv.org Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone else having problems ripping new movies? Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:37:57 +0100 Peter Valdemar Morch wrote: But, uhm, if libdvdcss fails, doesn't that affect playback as well as ripping? If not, how so? Ivor Hewitt ivor-at-ivor.org |Lists| wrote: This is NOT a new encryption system either. This is yet another way of producing corrupt discs that just happen to play on most consumer DVD players but break ripping software. Again, in MythTV, does that affect Play DVD as well as Rip DVD? One is nasty and ouch, the other is annoying... Peter -- Peter Valdemar Mørch http://www.. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- ___ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone else having problems ripping new movies?
Peter Valdemar Morch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Gallatin gallatin-at-cs.duke.edu |Lists| wrote: I just tried to dd the raw device, and that seemed to wedge the box solid. Ok, if dd won't do it, then I don't think you'll have a chance in hell to get xine or mplayer to work - they can't read the disk! (The exception being the DVD disks in this thread containing rip/copy protection...) Xine does work though, exactly once per insertion of a DVD. If I try to use it a second time, it doesn't work.I don't think dd has a chance to work, since there was no dvdcss auth done... I think dvdbackup seems to solve my you can authenticate only one time problem with this dvd drive. At least it seems to have made a nice copy of the DVD I threw at it. Now to see how to get myth (or something else) to transcode from a directory tree rather than a /dev/dvd device file. Drew ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone else having problems ripping new movies?
On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 04:49, Peter Valdemar Morch wrote: Scot L. Harris webid-at-cfl.rr.com |Lists| wrote: I would settle for getting it to work on my older movies. :) One of the last major issues I have with my setup. Unable to play a DVD or import one. I most often do a binary copy of the DVDs rather than a rip. And then play the binary copy of the dvd. Something like: dd if=/dev/dvd of=/tmp/copy_of.dvd bs=2048 xinev --auto-scan dvd dvd:///tmp/copy_of.dvd/ Or you may do that at a friend's house where you know his setup works. Can you play DVDs with just regular xine? Outside of Myth? With Mplayer? That may help you separate whether it is a DVD hardware problem or a xine software problem I actually had hardware problems that went away when I replaced the physical DVD drive... Peter My first thought was to try xine. Have used that previously on a laptop just fine. On the MythTV box xine is currently not installed. When I went to install it I found that the repositories it points to do not list it. Appears that after following the guides the system only points to the ATRPMS repository. Will have to spend some time tonight figuring out which repository I should point to and if that will cause me any problems. I think this will be the first step. Then I can figure out how to get mythtv to play the DVD. -- Scot L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] So... did you ever wonder, do garbagemen take showers before they go to work? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone else having problems ripping new movies?
Andrew Gallatin gallatin-at-cs.duke.edu |Lists| wrote: Xine does work though, exactly once per insertion of a DVD. If I try to use it a second time, it doesn't work.I don't think dd has a chance to work, since there was no dvdcss auth done... dd doesn't use or need dvdcss. It creates a binary copy of the DVD. dd doesn't care what is on it. When dd has created a binary copy of the DVD in /tmp and xine runs that, xine will call dvdcss to decrypt that binary image in /tmp. dd needs to work. Every time. Only then will you know that the OS can get at your DVD drive reliably. That fact the dd freezes your system is also an indication that something bad is up with your DVD drive. I can only repeat that it sure sounds to me like a hardware or DVD-burner-driver problem. But of course what you choose to spend your time on is up to you. And I might be wrong! :-D Peter -- Peter Valdemar Mørch http://www.. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone else having problems ripping new movies?
I have had very good success with dd - .iso and then playing with xine. And it has worked with every disk except one odd problem. The disk Escape from New York fast forwards at almost every scene change for no reason. (you don't know how bummed I was that this happens) I can slow it down to regular speed after it does this, but who wants to watch a movie like that. Don't know if it is copy protection related. Also, I use to have a old teac cd-rom that would read disks that others would not. It was magic so I believe that hardware could a solution. Dan Littlejohn On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 23:58:05 +0100, Peter Valdemar Morch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Gallatin gallatin-at-cs.duke.edu |Lists| wrote: Xine does work though, exactly once per insertion of a DVD. If I try to use it a second time, it doesn't work.I don't think dd has a chance to work, since there was no dvdcss auth done... dd doesn't use or need dvdcss. It creates a binary copy of the DVD. dd doesn't care what is on it. When dd has created a binary copy of the DVD in /tmp and xine runs that, xine will call dvdcss to decrypt that binary image in /tmp. dd needs to work. Every time. Only then will you know that the OS can get at your DVD drive reliably. That fact the dd freezes your system is also an indication that something bad is up with your DVD drive. I can only repeat that it sure sounds to me like a hardware or DVD-burner-driver problem. But of course what you choose to spend your time on is up to you. And I might be wrong! :-D Peter -- Peter Valdemar Mørch http://www.. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone else having problems ripping new movies?
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:20:58 +, Ivor Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would expect it to prevent both, but not having a corrupt DVD to test can't be sure. Can someone with one try it out in Xine/Mplayer or somesuch. Is there a list of these corrupt DVD titles anywhere? -- Ivor http://www.ivor.it/goog - MSN Search unbiased? ___ I've got 'The Forgotten' to work fine with ogle. Mplayer gave me lots of xrun errors tho. Haven't tried to rip it yet. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone else having problems ripping new movies?
On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 17:47, john roberts wrote: I'm surprised I haven't seen this posted yet - but from google-ing around I found there is a new encryption method being used on some of the latest movies. This seems to prevent libdvdcss (1.2.8) from working. Just thought you might want to know why MythDVD/Rip doesn't work on some of the latest movies. -John I would settle for getting it to work on my older movies. :) One of the last major issues I have with my setup. Unable to play a DVD or import one. -- Scot L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] About the only thing we have left that actually discriminates in favor of the plain people is the stork. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
