Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[Jeff Simpson]

I just got an email from Tom at Zap2It, after he found this thread. Apparently they DO have a method
for requesting a time to download the next days programming:

 - Jeff

>From The Email:

Actually, we already did this.  In fact, we've had it from day 1 in
DataDirect.  It's the acknowledge() method in the xtvdService, which
probably no one uses.  Every just uses the download() method.

If you consume the WSDL (see
http://docs.tms.tribune.com/tech/tmsdatadirect/zap2it/tvDataDelivery.wsdl
)
in a tool like XMLSpy, you can send an acknowledge() request and you'll get
back a blockedDownloadTime and a suggestedDownloadTime.  See section 4.2.4
of the Z2LProtocols.pdf document
(http://docs.tms.tribune.com/tech/tmsdatadirect/zap2it/Z2LProtocols.pdf
) for
information on this returned data.

You're welcome to post this information on the Myth mailing lists.

On 11/16/05, Ian White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Nov 16, 2005, at 7:32, George Nassas wrote:> On 15-Nov-05, at 9:37 PM, Chris Ribe wrote:>>> "Just asking the whole world to use some time between 9:00am and>> midnight
>>  would accomplish little (because 9:00am and midnight come at>> different>>  times in each time zone)">> Since they're distributing North American listings I would guess
> the bulk of their users are in one of those time zones.Have a look at the concurrency pictures they have posted. This seemsto be the last one they made public after having announced a desireto change times.
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Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[Ian White]

On Nov 16, 2005, at 7:32, George Nassas wrote:


On 15-Nov-05, at 9:37 PM, Chris Ribe wrote:

"Just asking the whole world to use some time between 9:00am and  
midnight
 would accomplish little (because 9:00am and midnight come at  
different

 times in each time zone)"


Since they're distributing North American listings I would guess  
the bulk of their users are in one of those time zones.


Have a look at the concurrency pictures they have posted. This seems  
to be the last one they made public after having announced a desire  
to change times.


http://docs.tms.tribune.com/tech/tmp/ 
concurrency_2004-06-08_to_2004-07-12.png


Ian
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Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[George Nassas]

On 15-Nov-05, at 9:37 PM, Chris Ribe wrote:

"Just asking the whole world to use some time between 9:00am and 
midnight

 would accomplish little (because 9:00am and midnight come at different
 times in each time zone)"


Since they're distributing North American listings I would guess the 
bulk of their users are in one of those time zones.


- George

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Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[Mike]

Well since they said central time. That means GMT-6 at the very least.

-Mike

Chris Ribe wrote:


"Just asking the whole world to use some time between 9:00am and midnight
would accomplish little (because 9:00am and midnight come at different
times in each time zone)"

If they are having trouble with everybody hitting their server at the 
same time, their users probably aren't even distributed about the 
globe :)


On 11/15/05, *George Nassas* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


On 15-Nov-05, at 2:28 PM, Mike Daugird wrote:

> how do I change the time mythfilldatabase runs?

Assuming it's the backend and not cron that's running it on your
machine from any frontend go Utilties/Setup -> Setup -> General.
It's a
couple of pages in.

- George



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Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[Chris Ribe]

"Just asking the whole world to use some time between 9:00am and midnight
would accomplish little (because 9:00am and midnight come at different
times in each time zone)"

If they are having trouble with everybody hitting their server at the
same time, their users probably aren't even distributed about the globe
:) On 11/15/05, George Nassas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 15-Nov-05, at 2:28 PM, Mike Daugird wrote:> how do I change the time mythfilldatabase runs?Assuming it's the backend and not cron that's running it on yourmachine from any frontend go Utilties/Setup -> Setup -> General. It's a
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Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[George Nassas]

On 15-Nov-05, at 2:28 PM, Mike Daugird wrote:


how do I change the time mythfilldatabase runs?


Assuming it's the backend and not cron that's running it on your 
machine from any frontend go Utilties/Setup -> Setup -> General. It's a 
couple of pages in.


- George

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Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[Brian J. Murrell]

On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 13:28 -0600, Mike Daugird wrote:
> how do I change the time mythfilldatabase runs?

Dude.  Asked and answered only 4 hours ago in this very thread.

b.


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Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[Mike Daugird]

how do I change the time mythfilldatabase runs?
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Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[Jeff Simpson]

On 11/15/05, Paul V. Gratz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yeah that was me. I was hoping we could get them to chime in on what theywould like us to do.PaulOn Tuesday 15 November 2005 11:51 am, George Nassas wrote:> On 15-Nov-05, at 11:08 AM, Michael T. Dean wrote:
> > So, I would say don't make any changes until you're explicitly asked> > to do so.  If anyone finds any specific instructions for the community> > at large, please let us know.>
> Check this out: http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=139>> In an instance of mutual recursion the Nov 15 post references this> thread and now we're referencing back. How romantic!
>> Unless you're in a dialup situation where you want to avoid> interrupting voice calls it's best to have myth run the fill any time> it's convenient. For me that makes the job gradually rotate around the
> clock.
I think the best course of action as far as myth's role in this is concerned is to pick a method
and incorporate it into the default behavior of myth in the next version. Many people (myself included)
don't change things unless they are broken, so they probably aren't even aware of the need to
reshedule listing downloads, and wouldn't mind changing if it were automatically done the next time
they upgraded.
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Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[Paul V. Gratz]

Yeah that was me. I was hoping we could get them to chime in on what they 
would like us to do.
Paul


On Tuesday 15 November 2005 11:51 am, George Nassas wrote:
> On 15-Nov-05, at 11:08 AM, Michael T. Dean wrote:
> > So, I would say don't make any changes until you're explicitly asked
> > to do so.  If anyone finds any specific instructions for the community
> > at large, please let us know.
>
> Check this out: http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=139
>
> In an instance of mutual recursion the Nov 15 post references this
> thread and now we're referencing back. How romantic!
>
> Unless you're in a dialup situation where you want to avoid
> interrupting voice calls it's best to have myth run the fill any time
> it's convenient. For me that makes the job gradually rotate around the
> clock.
>
> - George


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Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[George Nassas]

On 15-Nov-05, at 11:08 AM, Michael T. Dean wrote:

So, I would say don't make any changes until you're explicitly asked 
to do so.  If anyone finds any specific instructions for the community 
at large, please let us know.


Check this out: http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=139

In an instance of mutual recursion the Nov 15 post references this 
thread and now we're referencing back. How romantic!


Unless you're in a dialup situation where you want to avoid 
interrupting voice calls it's best to have myth run the fill any time 
it's convenient. For me that makes the job gradually rotate around the 
clock.


- George

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Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[Dan Wilga]

At 10:30 AM -0500 11/15/05, Brian J. Murrell wrote:

Is there a way to tell mythtv what time to do the filldatabase operation
when using it's internal scheduler for that and not simply calling the
filldatabase from cron?


Yes, it's in mythtv-setup, IIRC.
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Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[Jeff Simpson]

On 11/15/05, Michael T. Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Marshall Crocker wrote:> I saw that too when I did my survey last month.  I said I would change> the update time from the morning hours to 9am - Midnight but never> did.  If everyone who does this survey changes then they'll end up
> with everyone switching to this time and their servers will be> overloaded during the 9am-Midnight hours.  Maybe it's not asking> everyone to do that?Or, perhaps they're going to ask everyone to use specific times and
customize those times based on the user's location (i.e. making surethey specify the proper local time) and perhaps renewal date.Just asking the whole world to use some time between 9:00am and midnight
would accomplish little (because 9:00am and midnight come at differenttimes in each time zone)...  Now, if they said, "Between 9am-MidnightEST," that would be a different story...  Also, if they really wanted to
get the message out, they could have easily put some info on the forum(Has anyone seen a post there?  I couldn't find anything.) or even arecommended download time on each user's account page.So, I would say don't make any changes until you're explicitly asked to
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Here's an idea!

Just to over-complicate things, they should have an optional service
that we could add to mythfilldatabase. After completing the daily
download, it makes a request to a server somewhere (maybe zap2it would
want to host it?). The response would be the UTC time that they want
you to get the next daily update. They could keep a running frequency
chart of when they are telling people to download the listings so that
they are evenly spread throughout the day. This would have to be an
optional feature, since some people can't just get the listings at
arbitrary times. I would certainly be onboard for that, if it could be
automated somehow with cron.
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Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[Devan Lippman]

On 11/15/05, Michael T. Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Marshall Crocker wrote:> I saw that too when I did my survey last month.  I said I would change
> the update time from the morning hours to 9am - Midnight but never> did.  If everyone who does this survey changes then they'll end up> with everyone switching to this time and their servers will be
> overloaded during the 9am-Midnight hours.  Maybe it's not asking> everyone to do that?Or, perhaps they're going to ask everyone to use specific times andcustomize those times based on the user's location (
i.e. making surethey specify the proper local time) and perhaps renewal date.Just asking the whole world to use some time between 9:00am and midnightwould accomplish little (because 9:00am and midnight come at different
times in each time zone)...  Now, if they said, "Between 9am-MidnightEST," that would be a different story...  Also, if they really wanted toget the message out, they could have easily put some info on the forum
(Has anyone seen a post there?  I couldn't find anything.) or even arecommended download time on each user's account page.So, I would say don't make any changes until you're explicitly asked todo so.  If anyone finds any specific instructions for the community at
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Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[Michael T. Dean]

Marshall Crocker wrote:

I saw that too when I did my survey last month.  I said I would change 
the update time from the morning hours to 9am - Midnight but never 
did.  If everyone who does this survey changes then they'll end up 
with everyone switching to this time and their servers will be 
overloaded during the 9am-Midnight hours.  Maybe it's not asking 
everyone to do that?


Or, perhaps they're going to ask everyone to use specific times and 
customize those times based on the user's location (i.e. making sure 
they specify the proper local time) and perhaps renewal date.


Just asking the whole world to use some time between 9:00am and midnight 
would accomplish little (because 9:00am and midnight come at different 
times in each time zone)...  Now, if they said, "Between 9am-Midnight 
EST," that would be a different story...  Also, if they really wanted to 
get the message out, they could have easily put some info on the forum 
(Has anyone seen a post there?  I couldn't find anything.) or even a 
recommended download time on each user's account page.


So, I would say don't make any changes until you're explicitly asked to 
do so.  If anyone finds any specific instructions for the community at 
large, please let us know.


Mike
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Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[Michael T. Dean]

Brian J. Murrell wrote:


On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 09:22 -0600, Marshall Crocker wrote:
 


I saw that too when I did my survey last month.  I said I would change
the update time from the morning hours to 9am - Midnight but never
did.  If everyone who does this survey changes then they'll end up
with everyone switching to this time and their servers will be
overloaded during the 9am-Midnight hours.  Maybe it's not asking
everyone to do that?
   



Yeah, maybe they are smarter than that.

Is there a way to tell mythtv what time to do the filldatabase operation
when using it's internal scheduler for that and not simply calling the
filldatabase from cron?
 


In setup... On the same page as:

Automatically run mythfilldatabase
This enables the automatic execution of mythfilldatabase.

and

mythfilldatabase Run Frequency (Days)
The number of days between mythfilldatabase runs.

It's called:

mythfilldatabase Execution Start
This setting and the following one define a time period when the 
mythfilldatabase process is allowed to run.  For example, setting Start 
to 11 and End to 13 would mean that the process would only run between 
11 AM and 1 PM.


and

mythfilldatabase Execution End
This setting and the preceding one define a time period when the 
mythfilldatabase process is allowed to run.  For example, setting Start 
to 11 and End to 13 would mean that the process would only run between 
11 AM and 1 PM.


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Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[Brian J. Murrell]

On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 09:22 -0600, Marshall Crocker wrote:
> I saw that too when I did my survey last month.  I said I would change
> the update time from the morning hours to 9am - Midnight but never
> did.  If everyone who does this survey changes then they'll end up
> with everyone switching to this time and their servers will be
> overloaded during the 9am-Midnight hours.  Maybe it's not asking
> everyone to do that?

Yeah, maybe they are smarter than that.

Is there a way to tell mythtv what time to do the filldatabase operation
when using it's internal scheduler for that and not simply calling the
filldatabase from cron?

b.


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Re: [mythtv-users] FYI: The Current Zap2it survey/Reqeust.

[Marshall Crocker]

I saw that too when I did my survey last month.  I said I would
change the update time from the morning hours to 9am - Midnight but
never did.  If everyone who does this survey changes then they'll
end up with everyone switching to this time and their servers will be
overloaded during the 9am-Midnight hours.  Maybe it's not asking
everyone to do that?On 11/14/05, Jack Lowry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My zap2it subscription expiered today, so off I browse to answer thequestions,Impact new TV delivery methods, Impact of portable Media devices,has a change in your line up propgated succesfully?The last question is actually a request that we pull our zap2it between
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