Re: [mythtv-users] feature request: plasma burn-in module
Well, you could write an X screensaver, but I don't think you need to. Most Linux distros come with a multiple of screensavers and I'm pretty sure that several offer background color cycling. If not, one should be simple to write, and would not require Myth programming at all. Just let the saver kick in on an idle timer like usual. However you'd probably want to at least script something to disable it when playing videos/live TV since you wouldn't want it kicking in while watching something. Jason H wrote: so what you're saying I can just write an X application and plug that into myth some how? How does one set a screensaver app that is activated from an idle myth menu? --- David Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But what constitutes burn-in is a pixel left in an unchanged state for an extended period. It doesn't have to be in a random state, or a state different than an adjacent pixel, like in static -- it just needs to change. So if you, say, changed the background color at regular intervals that would change every pixel on the screen. To make it less jarring you could use muted colors and fade/gradient them in. To me that would be the most effective and easiest to achieve result -- every pixel would change at the same time for the same length of time and therefore be more uniform in their "wear" pattern. Seeing random channel changing would be more disruptive (to me) than seeing blank color transitions. Just a thought... Jason H wrote: Because screensavers exhibit patterns. They are loops. It varies per screensaver, but there are ones that are never touch the corners(window's mystify, bouble - anything that bounces on the edges are statistically more likely to wear the middle and seldom venture into the corners) The thing we are going to go for is no pattern. Static is best, but hard to come by. Real TV samples switched regularly is the next best. The number of channels (70+) provides a nice long rotation cycle and sufficiently varied data. --- Dan Wilga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 9:30 PM -0700 6/19/05, Andy Alsup wrote: If your plasma has a RF tuner, just tune it to a non-existant channel with snow for burn-in. As long as the image is changing it doesn't really matter where it comes from. Or, since you're probably running X anyway, why not just turn the screensaver on with something non-blank? Then all you have to do is remember to leave the TV on for the next 41 days. -- Dan Wilga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Administrator http://www.mtholyoke.edu Mount Holyoke College Tel: 413-538-3027 South Hadley, MA 01075"Who left the cake out in the rain?" ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] feature request: plasma burn-in module
Only if the naked pics of his wife and daughter fome my collection come up, else, after some beers, i think i'd have myself a party and apromotion! :-) --- Tony Godshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > According to Michael Anthon, > > Jason H wrote: > > > > >so what you're saying I can just write an X > > >application and plug that into myth some how? > > > > > >How does one set a screensaver app that is > activated > > >from an idle myth menu? > > > > > > > > How about using the gallery slideshow? > > Tie a nice google images search to a randomizing > script and > viola. (Of course, it could pop up a pron image > when the boss > is over for dinner; that might be bad.) > > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] feature request: plasma burn-in module
According to Michael Anthon, > Jason H wrote: > > >so what you're saying I can just write an X > >application and plug that into myth some how? > > > >How does one set a screensaver app that is activated > >from an idle myth menu? > > > > > How about using the gallery slideshow? Tie a nice google images search to a randomizing script and viola. (Of course, it could pop up a pron image when the boss is over for dinner; that might be bad.) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] feature request: plasma burn-in module
Jason H wrote: so what you're saying I can just write an X application and plug that into myth some how? How does one set a screensaver app that is activated from an idle myth menu? How about using the gallery slideshow? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] feature request: plasma burn-in module
so what you're saying I can just write an X application and plug that into myth some how? How does one set a screensaver app that is activated from an idle myth menu? --- David Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But what constitutes burn-in is a pixel left in an > unchanged state for > an extended period. It doesn't have to be in a > random state, or a state > different than an adjacent pixel, like in static -- > it just needs to > change. So if you, say, changed the background > color at regular > intervals that would change every pixel on the > screen. To make it less > jarring you could use muted colors and fade/gradient > them in. To me > that would be the most effective and easiest to > achieve result -- every > pixel would change at the same time for the same > length of time and > therefore be more uniform in their "wear" pattern. > Seeing random > channel changing would be more disruptive (to me) > than seeing blank > color transitions. > > Just a thought... > > Jason H wrote: > > >Because screensavers exhibit patterns. They are > loops. > >It varies per screensaver, but there are ones that > are > >never touch the corners(window's mystify, bouble - > >anything that bounces on the edges are > statistically > >more likely to wear the middle and seldom venture > into > >the corners) > > > >The thing we are going to go for is no pattern. > Static > >is best, but hard to come by. Real TV samples > switched > >regularly is the next best. The number of channels > >(70+) provides a nice long rotation cycle and > >sufficiently varied data. > > > > > >--- Dan Wilga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >>At 9:30 PM -0700 6/19/05, Andy Alsup wrote: > >> > >> > >>>If your plasma has a RF tuner, just tune it to a > >>> > >>> > >>non-existant channel > >> > >> > >>>with snow for burn-in. As long as the image is > >>> > >>> > >>changing it doesn't > >> > >> > >>>really matter where it comes from. > >>> > >>> > >>Or, since you're probably running X anyway, why > not > >>just turn the > >>screensaver on with something non-blank? Then all > >>you have to do is > >>remember to leave the TV on for the next 41 days. > >> > >>-- > >>Dan Wilga > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Web Administrator > >>http://www.mtholyoke.edu > >>Mount Holyoke College > > >>Tel: 413-538-3027 > >>South Hadley, MA 01075"Who left the > >>cake out in the rain?" > >> > >> > >>>___ > >>> > >>> > >>mythtv-users mailing list > >>mythtv-users@mythtv.org > >> > >> > >> > >http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > > > > > > > >__ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >___ > >mythtv-users mailing list > >mythtv-users@mythtv.org > >http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > > > > > > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] feature request: plasma burn-in module
But what constitutes burn-in is a pixel left in an unchanged state for an extended period. It doesn't have to be in a random state, or a state different than an adjacent pixel, like in static -- it just needs to change. So if you, say, changed the background color at regular intervals that would change every pixel on the screen. To make it less jarring you could use muted colors and fade/gradient them in. To me that would be the most effective and easiest to achieve result -- every pixel would change at the same time for the same length of time and therefore be more uniform in their "wear" pattern. Seeing random channel changing would be more disruptive (to me) than seeing blank color transitions. Just a thought... Jason H wrote: Because screensavers exhibit patterns. They are loops. It varies per screensaver, but there are ones that are never touch the corners(window's mystify, bouble - anything that bounces on the edges are statistically more likely to wear the middle and seldom venture into the corners) The thing we are going to go for is no pattern. Static is best, but hard to come by. Real TV samples switched regularly is the next best. The number of channels (70+) provides a nice long rotation cycle and sufficiently varied data. --- Dan Wilga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 9:30 PM -0700 6/19/05, Andy Alsup wrote: If your plasma has a RF tuner, just tune it to a non-existant channel with snow for burn-in. As long as the image is changing it doesn't really matter where it comes from. Or, since you're probably running X anyway, why not just turn the screensaver on with something non-blank? Then all you have to do is remember to leave the TV on for the next 41 days. -- Dan Wilga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Administrator http://www.mtholyoke.edu Mount Holyoke College Tel: 413-538-3027 South Hadley, MA 01075"Who left the cake out in the rain?" ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] feature request: plasma burn-in module
Because screensavers exhibit patterns. They are loops. It varies per screensaver, but there are ones that are never touch the corners(window's mystify, bouble - anything that bounces on the edges are statistically more likely to wear the middle and seldom venture into the corners) The thing we are going to go for is no pattern. Static is best, but hard to come by. Real TV samples switched regularly is the next best. The number of channels (70+) provides a nice long rotation cycle and sufficiently varied data. --- Dan Wilga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 9:30 PM -0700 6/19/05, Andy Alsup wrote: > >If your plasma has a RF tuner, just tune it to a > non-existant channel > >with snow for burn-in. As long as the image is > changing it doesn't > >really matter where it comes from. > > Or, since you're probably running X anyway, why not > just turn the > screensaver on with something non-blank? Then all > you have to do is > remember to leave the TV on for the next 41 days. > > -- > Dan Wilga > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web Administrator > http://www.mtholyoke.edu > Mount Holyoke College > Tel: 413-538-3027 > South Hadley, MA 01075"Who left the > cake out in the rain?" > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] feature request: plasma burn-in module
At 9:30 PM -0700 6/19/05, Andy Alsup wrote: If your plasma has a RF tuner, just tune it to a non-existant channel with snow for burn-in. As long as the image is changing it doesn't really matter where it comes from. Or, since you're probably running X anyway, why not just turn the screensaver on with something non-blank? Then all you have to do is remember to leave the TV on for the next 41 days. -- Dan Wilga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Administrator http://www.mtholyoke.edu Mount Holyoke CollegeTel: 413-538-3027 South Hadley, MA 01075"Who left the cake out in the rain?" ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] feature request: plasma burn-in module
but that assumes that it doesn't blank the snow with a screen. ;-) I am just repeating what panasonic published... --- Andy Alsup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If your plasma has a RF tuner, just tune it to a > non-existant channel > with snow for burn-in. As long as the image is > changing it doesn't > really matter where it comes from. > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] feature request: plasma burn-in module
If your plasma has a RF tuner, just tune it to a non-existant channel with snow for burn-in. As long as the image is changing it doesn't really matter where it comes from. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] feature request: plasma burn-in module
I'm not sure what you mean? Like the gui is hard to navigate with up/down between controls and left-right changing values? that is so people can operate it with a remote. you can always turn the mouse on... i forget where. but the one settign i would suggest is put the setup for each item under that item as well as on a consolidated page. I keep forgettign what is in mythtv-setup and what is just in mythfrontend. --- Todd Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > thanks for the suggestion, I forgot about this. > > I plan on a major modification to myth, what I've > seen so far is ok, but > needs improvement, setup gui for example is a real > pain to navigate. > I'm not sure what these people were thinking when > they did the design, but > no matter, looking forward to a rewrite, that is > once I get a stable > install completed. > > > > > > > This mailbox protected from junk email by > MailFrontier Desktop > from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com > > - Original Message - > From: "Jason H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 3:57 PM > Subject: [mythtv-users] feature request: plasma > burn-in module > > > > since, we are uber techies here, some, if not all > of > > us like our high perf displays. (I don't have one > yet, > > but i'm starting to look into it) one of the > things > > that I found is that plasmas are more reliable > than i > > thought. they have a 1/2 bright life of 60,000hrs, > vs > > 15,000 for crts. but they do have a burn in > problem. > > this is mitigatable. it turns out that the first > 1000 > > hrs are critical to avoid any kind of burn-in. > > > > what we need then is a simple module that counts > the > > hours that it runs, and flips channels every > minute. > > people can leave it on 24/7 for 42 days, using it > as > > they would, but when not watching it they just > select > > the plasma burn-in option. > > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ___ > > mythtv-users mailing list > > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > > > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] feature request: plasma burn-in module
thanks for the suggestion, I forgot about this. I plan on a major modification to myth, what I've seen so far is ok, but needs improvement, setup gui for example is a real pain to navigate. I'm not sure what these people were thinking when they did the design, but no matter, looking forward to a rewrite, that is once I get a stable install completed. This mailbox protected from junk email by MailFrontier Desktop from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com - Original Message - From: "Jason H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 3:57 PM Subject: [mythtv-users] feature request: plasma burn-in module since, we are uber techies here, some, if not all of us like our high perf displays. (I don't have one yet, but i'm starting to look into it) one of the things that I found is that plasmas are more reliable than i thought. they have a 1/2 bright life of 60,000hrs, vs 15,000 for crts. but they do have a burn in problem. this is mitigatable. it turns out that the first 1000 hrs are critical to avoid any kind of burn-in. what we need then is a simple module that counts the hours that it runs, and flips channels every minute. people can leave it on 24/7 for 42 days, using it as they would, but when not watching it they just select the plasma burn-in option. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
