Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 gLaNDix (Jesse Kaufman) wrote: > Scott Alfter wrote: >> Not yet. I'm driving the display at its native resolution (1280x768); >> recordings, DVDs, and SVCDs get scaled appropriately. > > scaled video look good? ie: does it look "scaled" or is the image clear > ... the 5200 is one of the cards i'm looking at ... I have no complaints, other than that it'd be nice if MythTV incorporated some DScaler-like functionality in its deinterlacer (inverse 3:2 pulldown on the fly would be nice). _/_ / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail) (IIGS( http://alfter.us/Top-posting! \_^_/ rm -rf /bin/laden>What's the most annoying thing on Usenet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCnQbYVgTKos01OwkRAm1XAKCg1lJ6DeBadnStTFK/Z08T+maWbwCfeISD gn5rSyDJ3Ym09dhXKOgvmuM= =TvXf -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 14:29 -0600, Garry Cook wrote: > On 5/31/05, Lonnie Borntreger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 10:58 -0700, Fedor Pikus wrote: > > > If you want "HD-out", i.e. component TV-out, your choices start with > > > GeForce 6200, which go for just over $100. Otherwise, there are many > > > Geforce 5700 or even 5200 with TV-out (SVideo and composite) and dual > > > DVI/VGA, like this one: > > > > Whatever you do, stay away from the 5200. I bought one, and had nothing > > but trouble (system lock-ups, oopses, crashes, etc). Went to the nVidia > > forums and everyone there was saying that it is a complete POS, even in > > Windows. So, I ebay'd a Ti4200 and it's been beautiful ever since. I > > had been using a GeForce2 GTS with no problems until the fan failed and > > the GPU fried. > > > > Lonnie Borntreger > > Funny. I've never had any trouble with my 5200. It's fanless, and I > picked it up on ebay for $50. Granted, I'm not using it for HDTV > (although I plan to eventually), so maybe that's the issue. Normally I > would say that you really shouldn't make a statement like the one you > started with above, just based on your own experience. However, if it > is true that many others you've spoken with are also having issues, > perhaps I just got lucky. Note that I didn't say it was a POS. I said that everyone on the nVidia forums said it was (and mine was a XFX card). Perhaps the many versions of driver updates since then resolved the issues with the card. And for Mike: I'm not doing HD, I was just mentioning this as a "general statement"(tm) not as a HD qualification. Lonnie Borntreger ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 15:22 -0500, Mike Isely wrote: > I have 3 different systems right now with 5200-class Nvidia cards, using > the 1.0.7174 nvidia driver and kernel 2.6.11.10 and all are functioning > well. Does the video display (actual content, not the OSD) fill the screen? What resolution(s) are you using them at? I really want to avoid scaling vertically and preserve the 1:1 relationship of source material to destination display device (in the vertical scale anyway). b. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
Scott Alfter wrote: what kind of vid-out (not incl s-video if it has that) does your 5200 have? DVI-I, with (IIRC) a VGA connector for a 2nd display. which would also work great on a transcoder :) are you doing hd? Not yet. I'm driving the display at its native resolution (1280x768); recordings, DVDs, and SVCDs get scaled appropriately. scaled video look good? ie: does it look "scaled" or is the image clear ... the 5200 is one of the cards i'm looking at ... thx, -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 gLaNDix (Jesse Kaufman) wrote: > Scott Alfter wrote: >> My 5200s work well enough for me, under both Windows & Linux. Test HD >> clips I've downloaded have played smoothly on my MythTV box (an Athlon XP >> 2400 with a no-name GeforceFX 5200). > > what kind of vid-out (not incl s-video if it has that) does your 5200 have? DVI-I, with (IIRC) a VGA connector for a 2nd display. I have a 30" LCD connected directly to the DVI output. > are you doing hd? Not yet. I'm driving the display at its native resolution (1280x768); recordings, DVDs, and SVCDs get scaled appropriately. _/_ / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail) (IIGS( http://alfter.us/Top-posting! \_^_/ rm -rf /bin/laden>What's the most annoying thing on Usenet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCnMs9VgTKos01OwkRAsPNAJ9p2XTCs8YvSAn4VJmrdrOJnLwpTgCdEphv 6OXqT9gB2KSh8l4UlW8xO18= =uU45 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
Scott Alfter wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lonnie Borntreger wrote: Whatever you do, stay away from the 5200. I bought one, and had nothing but trouble (system lock-ups, oopses, crashes, etc). Went to the nVidia forums and everyone there was saying that it is a complete POS, even in Windows. My 5200s work well enough for me, under both Windows & Linux. Test HD clips I've downloaded have played smoothly on my MythTV box (an Athlon XP 2400 with a no-name GeforceFX 5200). what kind of vid-out (not incl s-video if it has that) does your 5200 have? are you doing hd? -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lonnie Borntreger wrote: > Whatever you do, stay away from the 5200. I bought one, and had nothing > but trouble (system lock-ups, oopses, crashes, etc). Went to the nVidia > forums and everyone there was saying that it is a complete POS, even in > Windows. My 5200s work well enough for me, under both Windows & Linux. Test HD clips I've downloaded have played smoothly on my MythTV box (an Athlon XP 2400 with a no-name GeforceFX 5200). _/_ / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail) (IIGS( http://alfter.us/Top-posting! \_^_/ rm -rf /bin/laden>What's the most annoying thing on Usenet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCnMnTVgTKos01OwkRAltQAJ9066BK++ByQWNjaq7A3+041S0TRgCfYst3 jHyt9t52NzbPKhYqN4eJSdo= =9NyY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
On 5/31/05, Lonnie Borntreger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 10:58 -0700, Fedor Pikus wrote: > > If you want "HD-out", i.e. component TV-out, your choices start with > > GeForce 6200, which go for just over $100. Otherwise, there are many > > Geforce 5700 or even 5200 with TV-out (SVideo and composite) and dual > > DVI/VGA, like this one: > > Whatever you do, stay away from the 5200. I bought one, and had nothing > but trouble (system lock-ups, oopses, crashes, etc). Went to the nVidia > forums and everyone there was saying that it is a complete POS, even in > Windows. So, I ebay'd a Ti4200 and it's been beautiful ever since. I > had been using a GeForce2 GTS with no problems until the fan failed and > the GPU fried. > > Lonnie Borntreger Funny. I've never had any trouble with my 5200. It's fanless, and I picked it up on ebay for $50. Granted, I'm not using it for HDTV (although I plan to eventually), so maybe that's the issue. Normally I would say that you really shouldn't make a statement like the one you started with above, just based on your own experience. However, if it is true that many others you've spoken with are also having issues, perhaps I just got lucky. --Garry ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
On Tue, 31 May 2005, Lonnie Borntreger wrote: > On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 10:58 -0700, Fedor Pikus wrote: > > If you want "HD-out", i.e. component TV-out, your choices start with > > GeForce 6200, which go for just over $100. Otherwise, there are many > > Geforce 5700 or even 5200 with TV-out (SVideo and composite) and dual > > DVI/VGA, like this one: > > Whatever you do, stay away from the 5200. I bought one, and had nothing > but trouble (system lock-ups, oopses, crashes, etc). Went to the nVidia > forums and everyone there was saying that it is a complete POS, even in > Windows. So, I ebay'd a Ti4200 and it's been beautiful ever since. I > had been using a GeForce2 GTS with no problems until the fan failed and > the GPU fried. Really?!? I have 3 different systems right now with 5200-class Nvidia cards, using the 1.0.7174 nvidia driver and kernel 2.6.11.10 and all are functioning well. They are all using "XFX" brand variations with passive cooling, but I've also used the "Mad Dog" brand at CompUSA with success (at least until the crappy cooling fans seize up). One of the three systems is my mythtv box, and it's working fine. I went with this series of board based on chatter seen here last Nov-Jan, after discovering that the ATI 9200SE P.O.S. boards couldn't scale video fast enough to keep up at HDTV resolutions. Can a Ti4200 do hardware (i.e. xvideo) scaling fast enough for HDTV? -Mike -- | Mike Isely | PGP fingerprint Spammers Die!! | | 03 54 43 4D 75 E5 CC 92 | isely @ pobox (dot) com | 71 16 01 E2 B5 F5 C1 E8 | | ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 10:58 -0700, Fedor Pikus wrote: > If you want "HD-out", i.e. component TV-out, your choices start with > GeForce 6200, which go for just over $100. Otherwise, there are many > Geforce 5700 or even 5200 with TV-out (SVideo and composite) and dual > DVI/VGA, like this one: Whatever you do, stay away from the 5200. I bought one, and had nothing but trouble (system lock-ups, oopses, crashes, etc). Went to the nVidia forums and everyone there was saying that it is a complete POS, even in Windows. So, I ebay'd a Ti4200 and it's been beautiful ever since. I had been using a GeForce2 GTS with no problems until the fan failed and the GPU fried. Lonnie Borntreger ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
Egeekial wrote: Well, I'm not dealing with HD, so I couldn't tell you about that. I can tell you, though, that I tried using an old Geforce 256 DDR card in my Mythbox with very little luck (overlay problems, freezing, no hardware acceleration). hmm, i had a GeForce2 MX w/ S-Vid out that worked really well back in the day before i messed w/ myth (or owned an hdtv) .. On the other hand, I have a Radeon 9700 Pro in my desktop machine, and the ATI Linux drivers work flawlessly. The ATI drivers even came with a nice little program to setup your xorg.conf. It's a simple concept, and I can't understand why NVIDIA doesn't follow suit. It's somewhat of a pain to have to go through the FAQ to get the xorg.conf setup properly. i don't really care about that, since i had to go thru the xorg.conf file manually to get hdtv-out working the way i wanted to ... i actually somewhat prefer nvidia's way of doing it, because i'm yet to figure out what all the crap the ATI drivers put in the xorg.conf file mean :S (yes, i'm a control-freak geek and want to know what all those settings mean! :P) -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
Well, I'm not dealing with HD, so I couldn't tell you about that. I can tell you, though, that I tried using an old Geforce 256 DDR card in my Mythbox with very little luck (overlay problems, freezing, no hardware acceleration). On the other hand, I have a Radeon 9700 Pro in my desktop machine, and the ATI Linux drivers work flawlessly. The ATI drivers even came with a nice little program to setup your xorg.conf. It's a simple concept, and I can't understand why NVIDIA doesn't follow suit. It's somewhat of a pain to have to go through the FAQ to get the xorg.conf setup properly. Anyway, I probably have a skewed view of NVIDIA's Linux drivers since I was using such an old card, but I didn't want to take any chances, so I just bought a Radeon 9250 for my Mythbox. I'll let you know how it goes when I get it. gLaNDix (Jesse Kaufman) wrote: Egeekial wrote: Why does it have to be an NVIDIA card? I have found that ATI's linux drivers are light years ahead of NVIDIA's... in terms of stability at least. because i've found that support for hd in nvidia's linux drivers are lightyears ahead of ati's ... most every htpc site i've found says the same thing ... i've not had stability issues with nvidia or ati drivers in linux so far, so i can't say as far as one being more stable than the other -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
Fedor Pikus wrote: If you want "HD-out", i.e. component TV-out, your choices start with GeForce 6200, which go for just over $100. Otherwise, there are many Geforce 5700 or even 5200 with TV-out (SVideo and composite) and dual DVI/VGA, like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121186 yeah, i definitely want HD-out ... i've got a transcoder that converts from VGA -> component, so i'm not going to mess with the extra cost of a component-out card ... i'd like something equivalent to (or better than) the ATI AIW Radeon 9600 non-pro that i currently have (but w/o the capture) ... one of the reasons i'd like to upgrade is because i'm stuck at running in a 540p timing, so all DVD material is scaled down ... when using Xv, diagonal lines have a "jagged" appearance like (use a mono-spaced font): \ `\ `\ `\ instead of: \ \ \ \ \ \ on either htpcnews.com or avsforum.com (or is it avsforums.com, i forget), i was told this had to do with a "lazy" video card manufacturer and they suggested a nvidia card w/ a similar feature set (minus the "feature" of jagged lines :P) ... this is one of my reasons for not wanting to go w/ ATI ... anyone else have this problem w/ 540p or less and DVDs? i'd really like to be able to watch movies w/o this annoying problem ... thx, -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 13:54 -0400, Egeekial wrote: > Why does it have to be an NVIDIA card? I have found that ATI's linux > drivers are light years ahead of NVIDIA's... in terms of stability at least. (SDTV, i.e. s-video, component, composite) TV-Out? Are they actually doing (ST)TV-Out these days? Historically they did not. I have my copyright consortium conspiracy theories but I will spare y'all. b. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
Well, I just bought an MSI FX5200-TD128 (i.e. nvidia FX5200) and I am quite disappointed by it. Indeed the color is much more sharp than my G400 was. The G400 was very dull and washed out. But the picture (when playing recorded content/live tv) does not go anywhere near filling the 720x480 that I am running my X display at. The OSD goes quite far to the edges of the screen (although I want some overscan, I'm not getting it), but when I play content, there are large black bars to the left and right of the picture and it looks "squished"/tall. If I toggle the display mode (pressuably to 640x480) while playing content it comes much closer to filling the screen but then going back to the OSD, it's off the right and left edges. My content is definitely being recorded at 720x480 during live tv display but even still, same issues with borders at the sides and a tall squished (not overly so, but noticeable) picture. b. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
On 5/31/05, gLaNDix (Jesse Kaufman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i asked this a while back, but either didn't get many specific responses > or i deleted them and can't remember what people suggested! :p > > anyway, i'm wanting to replace my ATI AIW 9600 non-pro in my myth > frontend with a non-capture video card (i really want the AIW in my > windows box, since parts of the card are going to waste currently) ... > i'm def on a budget, so not looking into the highest, most cutting-edge > nvidia cards, but i want something that will last me a while and is > comparable to the Radeon 9600 ... > > i've got a transcoder already, so as long as it has a second vga-out, > i'm fine ... however, if it's supported, i could always use a > single-head vid card, since i've got my system's framebuffer support > configured so it outputs 480p, so my hdtv works as a monitor ... but, > i'm not sure if all the tv-related tweaks (hd timings, center mode > stuff, etc) are all supported on a single-vga card ... i'm wanting to > spend well under $100 ... anyone recommend any specific nvidia cards to > check out? not interested in gaming, so 3D performance means nothing to > me, only movie quality If you want "HD-out", i.e. component TV-out, your choices start with GeForce 6200, which go for just over $100. Otherwise, there are many Geforce 5700 or even 5200 with TV-out (SVideo and composite) and dual DVI/VGA, like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121186 -- Fedor G Pikus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.pikus.net http://wild-light.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
Egeekial wrote: Why does it have to be an NVIDIA card? I have found that ATI's linux drivers are light years ahead of NVIDIA's... in terms of stability at least. because i've found that support for hd in nvidia's linux drivers are lightyears ahead of ati's ... most every htpc site i've found says the same thing ... i've not had stability issues with nvidia or ati drivers in linux so far, so i can't say as far as one being more stable than the other -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
Why does it have to be an NVIDIA card? I have found that ATI's linux drivers are light years ahead of NVIDIA's... in terms of stability at least. gLaNDix (Jesse Kaufman) wrote: i asked this a while back, but either didn't get many specific responses or i deleted them and can't remember what people suggested! :p anyway, i'm wanting to replace my ATI AIW 9600 non-pro in my myth frontend with a non-capture video card (i really want the AIW in my windows box, since parts of the card are going to waste currently) ... i'm def on a budget, so not looking into the highest, most cutting-edge nvidia cards, but i want something that will last me a while and is comparable to the Radeon 9600 ... i've got a transcoder already, so as long as it has a second vga-out, i'm fine ... however, if it's supported, i could always use a single-head vid card, since i've got my system's framebuffer support configured so it outputs 480p, so my hdtv works as a monitor ... but, i'm not sure if all the tv-related tweaks (hd timings, center mode stuff, etc) are all supported on a single-vga card ... i'm wanting to spend well under $100 ... anyone recommend any specific nvidia cards to check out? not interested in gaming, so 3D performance means nothing to me, only movie quality -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
