Re: UUNET connectivity in Minneapolis, MN

2005-08-11 Thread Hyunseog Ryu


Hi Chris,

It seems all 800 numbers I have is busy.
I heard that there was fire around home depot in Down Grove area,
and it did hit the power grid, so UUNET/MCI POP lost the power.
UUNET/MCI tech - Fortunately, our Network management center tech has the 
number for him - said he is waiting

for generator coming in, but NO estimated time for recovery.

Hyun


Christopher L. Morrow wrote:


traceroute or ping or end-node ip on your end... or did you call the
customer support crew and ask them?



--Chris
(formerly [EMAIL PROTECTED])
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Erik Amundson wrote:

 


Anyone else having issues with UUNET connectivity in MSP?  We were
seeing slowness, now we see no traffic flow at all...we make it one hop,
then nothin'.


Erik Amundson
A+, N+, CCNA, CCNP
IT and Network Manager
Open Access Technology Int'l, Inc.
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Re: IPv6 Address Planning

2005-08-11 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum


On 11-aug-2005, at 2:23, Kevin Loch wrote:


And on that vein perhaps it's prudent for people using network
prefixes longer than /64 to take care to ensure that the bit  
positions

in the IPv6 address that should correspond to the u and g bits in the
modified EUI-64 interface ID (according to RFC 3513) are both set to



Is there any known use for those bits?


The universal/local bit is copied from the EUI-64/MAC address and  
flipped, and indicates whether the address is derived from something  
(supposedly) globally unique or not. Both occur frequently, non- 
unique stem from manual configuration or RFC 3041 temporary/privacy  
addresses. The group bit isn't relevant, although you won't see MAC- 
derived addresses with this bit set, of course.


There is no real reason to preserve these bits when the prefix length  
is  64.


Looking Glass failure in DC

2005-08-11 Thread David Lesher

Hi:

Atlantech.net reports that their ongoing DC region outage is a
Looking Glass issue; and LG has troops on the way.

I don't know if it is limited to Atlantech only, or other providers
are also afflicted.



-- 
A host is a host from coast to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 no one will talk to a host that's close[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead20915-1433



Re: UUNET connectivity in Minneapolis, MN

2005-08-11 Thread Christopher L. Morrow


On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 we had a loss of comercial power(coned) in the downers grove terminal.
 terminal is up on generator power now.


that seems to map to the internal firedrill as well, anyone else hit by
this event?


Re: Cisco crapaganda

2005-08-11 Thread Michael . Dillon

 Get a grip, Michael.  Any black hat who reads this list already knows
 this information (if indeed it exists; acting mysterious isn't gaining
 you any credibility with the cynical among us, and of course you
 aren't even providing enough detail for people with clues to discern
 what the bloody heck you're referring to).  All you're doing is
 withholding data from the non-black-hats.

*sigh*

I have no special sources of info. One Monday morning
I saw the traffic on this list about Lynn's presentation.
None of the posted URL's worked. One of them led to a legal
document ordering that the slides not be posted. So what
did I do?

That's right, I turned to Google. I found articles written
by people who attended the presentation. One person had
posted a zip file with photos of all of Lynn's slides as
presented at BlackHat. I even managed to find the PDF file
with the edited version of the slides that was the target
of the lawyers.

But I found more. It seems that a guy using the name FX
has been publishing stuff about Cisco heap exploits for
years now. I found his slides from a presentation made
at BlackHat Las Vegas in 2002. Lots of juicy detail. And I
found a long document translated from Chinese about modern
information/economic warfare.

I really didn't think this stuff was all that hard to find
because it took me all of 30 minutes.

The big question in my mind is why did Cisco freak out when
somebody wanted to present an overview of exploits that have
been worked on by hackers for the past 3 years? Especially
when Lynn is giving them some valuable free advice, i.e.
don't make it easier for hackers to use heap exploits.

Thank's to Drew's posting I now know that FX presented
again at BHLV a year later pointing out a UDP exploit that
can be used to facilitate building the correct heap exploit
for a specific IOS release and architecture.

It seems to me that Cisco has a fundamental communications
problem in regards to security. Their actions against Lynn
did not stop people from reading his slides and his slides
were not nearly as informative as the older slides from FX.
Also, Cisco seems stuck in the traditional vendor-customer
communications cycle that causes them to ignore or deprioritize
security related communications unless it comes to them
through a major customer. In fact, the people who REALLY
know this stuff may not work for a major Cisco customer
or if they do, they may not have access to the privileged
communications channels within their company.

--Michael Dillon

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him
how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.



Re: @Home's 119 domain names up for sale

2005-08-11 Thread Matthew Black



I remember @home.com as being one of the defunct domains for which we
always had outbound e-mail queued.

But exactly how is this bill related to the domain name sale other
than the fact that your press release snippet contains the text
string [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your post doesn't make that clear.

Our government spends money on myriad of initiatives. Conservatives
like to decry government spending as a total waste of resources.
Keep in mind that every dollar spent by the government goes back
into the economy, whether it be money to the oil industry (ala
the new Energy Bill, money to Halliburton for Iraq operations),
or low-income housing. The point is that the money goes back to
citizens in the form of jobs, subsidized purchases (which help
business sell items and services and create more jobs), or in the
form of tax breaks to extremely wealthy individuals. Contrary to
the rhetoric, the money doesn't vanish down a sinkhole.

matthew black
california state university, long beach

Note: The opinions stated herein represent only myself and other
like-minded individuals and may not represent my employer.


On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:09:59 -0500
 Frank Coluccio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


re: @Home's 119 domain names up for sale

Interesting that you'd bring this up. The federal pork trasfer of $1 
Billion that

was announced on Sunday to bridge the digital divide references an
[EMAIL PROTECTED] program as a part of its underpinning.

From: http://press.arrivenet.com/pol/article.php/679032.html

---snip:

LISC/NEF and One Economy Launch $1 Billion Initiative to Bridgethe Digital
Divide; Sen. Hillary Clinton Helps Unveil Initiative

Sunday, August 07, 2005

Contact: Leslie Kerns of Solomon McCown  Co., 617-933-5013 or
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or Susan Sheehan of Vogel Communications, 
503-449-1666

or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

NEW YORK, Aug. 7 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Efforts to close the technological gap
between America's haves and have-nots will get a boost this week. Local
Initiatives Support Corp. (LISC) and its subsidiary the National Equity 
Fund
(NEF) are partnering with One Economy to launch [EMAIL PROTECTED], a $1 
billion
initiative that will build more than 15,000 affordable homes with 
high-speed
digital Internet connectivity and provide low-income families personal 
access to
computers and technology services. The initiative expects to connect 
nearly

100,000 people to the vast advantage of the Internet.

---end snip

It makes for some interesting reading for those of you tracking where your 
tax
dollars are going. I'd be interested in reading some comments on this 
initiative,

either on the board or by email.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

=

On Wed Aug 10 16:44 , Fergie (Paul Ferguson) sent:


   I know this is horribly off-topic, but seeing a reference to
   @Home kind made me a little nostalgic. :-)

   [snip]

   Apparently former high-speed Internet provider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   once felt likewise. But At Home Liquidating Trust, successor
   to the once high-flying Internet darling [EMAIL PROTECTED], said
   Wednesday it is selling the former broadband company's 119
   domain names.

   [snip]

  
http://news.com.com/ExciteHomes+119+domain+names+up+for+sale/2100-1030_3-5826807.html


Re: UUNET connectivity in Minneapolis, MN

2005-08-11 Thread Robert Bonomi

 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:06:05 + (GMT)
 From: Christopher L. Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: UUNET connectivity in Minneapolis, MN

 On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  we had a loss of comercial power(coned) in the downers grove terminal.
  terminal is up on generator power now.
 

 that seems to map to the internal firedrill as well, anyone else hit by
 this event?


Electric utility had a sub-station burn up. resulting in a medium-sized 
geographic area without power -- something like 17,000 residences according 
to news reports (no numbers on 'commercial' custeomrs provided).

ATT has a facility in the affected area, and were also without utility power.

Rumor mill says that Sprint had a (moderately small) number of T-3 circuits 
affected, as well.




RE: UUNET connectivity in Minneapolis, MN

2005-08-11 Thread Erik Sundberg

info from the local news stations

http://www.nbc5.com/news/4836579/detail.html?z=dpdpswid=2265994dppid=65192

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050811outage,0,6108555.story?co
ll=chi-news-hed



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
 Robert Bonomi
 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:17 AM
 To: nanog@merit.edu
 Subject: Re: UUNET connectivity in Minneapolis, MN



  Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:06:05 + (GMT)
  From: Christopher L. Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: UUNET connectivity in Minneapolis, MN
 
  On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   we had a loss of comercial power(coned) in the downers grove terminal.
   terminal is up on generator power now.
  
 
  that seems to map to the internal firedrill as well, anyone else hit by
  this event?
 

 Electric utility had a sub-station burn up. resulting in a medium-sized
 geographic area without power -- something like 17,000 residences
 according
 to news reports (no numbers on 'commercial' custeomrs provided).

 ATT has a facility in the affected area, and were also without
 utility power.

 Rumor mill says that Sprint had a (moderately small) number of
 T-3 circuits
 affected, as well.






Way OT: RE: @Home's 119 domain names up for sale

2005-08-11 Thread Brian Johnson

 
Holy communist manifesto batman!

Let's let the government fix everything. Hold on, hasn't that been tried
already? Oh yeah the USSR. That was a blazing success.

Conservatives generally aren't against the government helping in areas NO
ONE ELSE CAN. It is obvious to everyone involved that the government largely
screws up these sorts of initiatives and most of the money ends up wasted
anyways. It's these pork projects that kill us.

- Brian J.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Matthew Black
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:15 AM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: @Home's 119 domain names up for sale



I remember @home.com as being one of the defunct domains for which we
always had outbound e-mail queued.

But exactly how is this bill related to the domain name sale other
than the fact that your press release snippet contains the text
string [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your post doesn't make that clear.

Our government spends money on myriad of initiatives. Conservatives
like to decry government spending as a total waste of resources.
Keep in mind that every dollar spent by the government goes back
into the economy, whether it be money to the oil industry (ala
the new Energy Bill, money to Halliburton for Iraq operations),
or low-income housing. The point is that the money goes back to
citizens in the form of jobs, subsidized purchases (which help
business sell items and services and create more jobs), or in the
form of tax breaks to extremely wealthy individuals. Contrary to
the rhetoric, the money doesn't vanish down a sinkhole.

matthew black
california state university, long beach

Note: The opinions stated herein represent only myself and other
like-minded individuals and may not represent my employer.


On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:09:59 -0500
  Frank Coluccio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 re: @Home's 119 domain names up for sale
 
 Interesting that you'd bring this up. The federal pork trasfer of $1 
Billion that
 was announced on Sunday to bridge the digital divide references an
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] program as a part of its underpinning.
 
From: http://press.arrivenet.com/pol/article.php/679032.html
 
 ---snip:
 
 LISC/NEF and One Economy Launch $1 Billion Initiative to Bridgethe Digital
 Divide; Sen. Hillary Clinton Helps Unveil Initiative
 
 Sunday, August 07, 2005
 
 Contact: Leslie Kerns of Solomon McCown  Co., 617-933-5013 or
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Susan Sheehan of Vogel Communications, 
503-449-1666
 or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 NEW YORK, Aug. 7 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Efforts to close the technological gap
 between America's haves and have-nots will get a boost this week. Local
 Initiatives Support Corp. (LISC) and its subsidiary the National Equity 
Fund
 (NEF) are partnering with One Economy to launch [EMAIL PROTECTED], a $1 
billion
 initiative that will build more than 15,000 affordable homes with 
high-speed
 digital Internet connectivity and provide low-income families personal 
access to
 computers and technology services. The initiative expects to connect 
nearly
 100,000 people to the vast advantage of the Internet.
 
 ---end snip
 
 It makes for some interesting reading for those of you tracking where your

tax
 dollars are going. I'd be interested in reading some comments on this 
initiative,
 either on the board or by email.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 =
 
 On Wed Aug 10 16:44 , Fergie (Paul Ferguson) sent:
 
 
I know this is horribly off-topic, but seeing a reference to
@Home kind made me a little nostalgic. :-)
 
[snip]
 
Apparently former high-speed Internet provider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
once felt likewise. But At Home Liquidating Trust, successor
to the once high-flying Internet darling [EMAIL PROTECTED], said
Wednesday it is selling the former broadband company's 119
domain names.
 
[snip]
 
   

http://news.com.com/ExciteHomes+119+domain+names+up+for+sale/2100-1030_3-582
6807.html



Re: Way OT: RE: @Home's 119 domain names up for sale

2005-08-11 Thread J.D. Falk

On 08/11/05, Brian Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

 Conservatives generally aren't against the government helping in areas NO
 ONE ELSE CAN. It is obvious to everyone involved that the government largely
 screws up these sorts of initiatives and most of the money ends up wasted
 anyways. It's these pork projects that kill us.

The Internet started out as a pork project.

I'm just sayin'.

-- 
J.D. Falk  a decade of cybernothing.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   registered 24 June 1995


RE: Way OT: RE: @Home's 119 domain names up for sale

2005-08-11 Thread Brian Johnson

Don't get me wrong. They aren't all bombs. ;-)

- Brian J.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J.D.
Falk
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:04 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: @Home's 119 domain names up for sale


On 08/11/05, Brian Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

 Conservatives generally aren't against the government helping in areas NO
 ONE ELSE CAN. It is obvious to everyone involved that the government
largely
 screws up these sorts of initiatives and most of the money ends up
wasted
 anyways. It's these pork projects that kill us.

The Internet started out as a pork project.

I'm just sayin'.

-- 
J.D. Falk  a decade of
cybernothing.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   registered 24 June
1995



RE: Cisco crapaganda

2005-08-11 Thread Hannigan, Martin


[ SNIP ]

 But I found more. It seems that a guy using the name FX
 has been publishing stuff about Cisco heap exploits for
 years now. I found his slides from a presentation made
 at BlackHat Las Vegas in 2002. Lots of juicy detail. And I
 found a long document translated from Chinese about modern
 information/economic warfare.

If people want to be up to date, imagine the unimaginable.


-M




Re: Way OT: RE: @Home's 119 domain names up for sale

2005-08-11 Thread Eric Gauthier

   The Internet started out as a pork project.
   I'm just sayin'.

I think it was more a research project...  which, maybe, is just
pork by another name...

Eric :)




Re: UUNET connectivity in Minneapolis, MN

2005-08-11 Thread James D. Butt



we had a loss of comercial power(coned) in the downers grove terminal.
terminal is up on generator power now.



that seems to map to the internal firedrill as well, anyone else hit by
this event?



Electric utility had a sub-station burn up. resulting in a medium-sized
geographic area without power -- something like 17,000 residences according
to news reports (no numbers on 'commercial' custeomrs provided).

ATT has a facility in the affected area, and were also without utility power.

Rumor mill says that Sprint had a (moderately small) number of T-3 circuits
affected, as well.



ATT must adhere to some diffrent engineering standards; as well devices we 
monitor there were all fine no blips... but all of the MCI customers we 
have in IL, MI, WI, MN all had issues...



Power went out at 4:30 ish and ckts all dumped about 8:30 pm...

Then bounced until 6:30 AM this morning.

Not sure I understand how on earth something like this happens... power is 
not that confusing to make sure it does not stop working.


JD


Re: Way OT: RE: @Home's 119 domain names up for sale

2005-08-11 Thread Matthew Black



On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:57:25 -0500
 Brian Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Holy communist manifesto batman!

Let's let the government fix everything. Hold on, hasn't that been tried
already? Oh yeah the USSR. That was a blazing success.

Conservatives generally aren't against the government helping in areas NO
ONE ELSE CAN. It is obvious to everyone involved that the government 
largely
screws up these sorts of initiatives and most of the money ends up 
wasted

anyways. It's these pork projects that kill us.

- Brian J.


Wasted? Please elaborate. It's not like the money vanishes. The money
goes somewhere, usually to pay non-government salaries.
Corporate Amerika is wasteful too: WorldCom, Global Crossing, Enron,
and Halliburton. These are companies that hurt the lives of
millions of Americans, including 40,000,000 citizens of California who
pay double the national average for electricity because Enron gamed the
system. We pay 15 cents per kilowatt! That wasn't completely the
government's fault.

matthew black
california state university, long beach

Note: Options expressed are mine and do not necessarily represent
my employer.


RE: Way OT: RE: @Home's 119 domain names up for sale

2005-08-11 Thread Brian Johnson

OK. Wasted was a poor choice of words, but even if the money does get back
to the people in some way, it is not doing so in a way that really
accomplishes something. Private companies do not invest in something that
will not have a return that benefits them. Political spending sometimes will
have no return other than political capital.

It's like buying candy. You can buya a ton of it, and either eat it or give
it away, but in the end it will be gone and very little will be accomplished
other than the kids who now love you for doing it.

So wasted was a bad term to use. How about used with little return if any.

- Brian J.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Matthew Black
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:20 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: @Home's 119 domain names up for sale



On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:57:25 -0500
  Brian Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Holy communist manifesto batman!
 
 Let's let the government fix everything. Hold on, hasn't that been tried
 already? Oh yeah the USSR. That was a blazing success.
 
 Conservatives generally aren't against the government helping in areas NO
 ONE ELSE CAN. It is obvious to everyone involved that the government 
largely
 screws up these sorts of initiatives and most of the money ends up 
wasted
 anyways. It's these pork projects that kill us.
 
 - Brian J.

Wasted? Please elaborate. It's not like the money vanishes. The money
goes somewhere, usually to pay non-government salaries.
Corporate Amerika is wasteful too: WorldCom, Global Crossing, Enron,
and Halliburton. These are companies that hurt the lives of
millions of Americans, including 40,000,000 citizens of California who
pay double the national average for electricity because Enron gamed the
system. We pay 15 cents per kilowatt! That wasn't completely the
government's fault.

matthew black
california state university, long beach

Note: Options expressed are mine and do not necessarily represent
my employer.



Re: Real-time WHOIS for .COM

2005-08-11 Thread Rick Wesson


Joe Abley wrote:



On 10 Aug 2005, at 06:36, Florian Weimer wrote:


Is there some kind of real-time WHOIS for .COM (and friends) which
allows you to determine at least the corresponding registrar?



whois.crsnic.net?



the issue is that VGRS does not even allow a registrar to find out this 
information real-time. Other registries publish this information in the 
whois and also make it available to registrars through EPP real-time.


RRP and the VeriSign EPP implementation DO NOT allow a registrar to 
inspect other registrars object (though other registres do)


don't expect the powers that be to assist anyone in security issues.

the average length of a phishing e-mail spam last some 45 minues, 
com,net whois is updated ever 24 hours.


-rick



Re: Real-time WHOIS for .COM

2005-08-11 Thread Florian Weimer

* Rick Wesson:

 the issue is that VGRS does not even allow a registrar to find out this 
 information real-time. Other registries publish this information in the 
 whois and also make it available to registrars through EPP real-time.

It seems that one of the largest Verisign competitors plans to hide
the registrar information completely and permanently.  (They operate
according the thick registry model, if I got the terminology right, so
this is quite possible.)  If you don't like this move, speak up.

Unfortunately, only those who know which ccTLD I'm talking about have
a vote. 8-(

 the average length of a phishing e-mail spam last some 45 minues, 

ITYM median.  Average is definitely higher.


Re: Real-time WHOIS for .COM

2005-08-11 Thread william(at)elan.net



On Thu, 11 Aug 2005, Florian Weimer wrote:


It seems that one of the largest Verisign competitors plans to hide
the registrar information completely and permanently.  (They operate
according the thick registry model, if I got the terminology right, so
this is quite possible.)  If you don't like this move, speak up.


I don't like this...


Unfortunately, only those who know which ccTLD I'm talking about have
a vote. 8-(


but ccTLD operate under different rules then gTLDs and I'm not sure
that my not liking this can cause any changes. ccTLD operator is
pretty much free to do as they like (as long as government agency
for that country does not get angtry at them).


the average length of a phishing e-mail spam last some 45 minues,


ITYM median.  Average is definitely highier.


Closer to 8 hours I think, but I dont have enough data to be certain.

--
William Leibzon
Elan Networks
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: Way OT: RE: @Home's 119 domain names up for sale

2005-08-11 Thread Crist Clark


[I know, I know, don't feed the trolls. But some are just too
cute not to. Just this once.]

Matthew Black wrote:



It's kind of funny that people keep making these general claims as
though the money is wasted or goes to some unproductive purpose.
Personally, I don't consider subsidized housing for the lower-class
to be wasteful or a misuse of money.

I wonder how many people who decry wasteful government spending
would consider road and highway construction a waste of money.

 If traffic moves to slow to work for your pleasure, get a job
 closer to home or vice versa. After all, this is the land of
 opportunity and nobody FORCED you to buy a home far from work.
 Highway spending is all government financed, but few complain
 about that as a waste.

Funny you should say that with the pork laden highway bill
that just went through Congress. There were 6371 individual
special (i.e. pork) projects in the huge bill. I'd say spending
$223 million to build one of the largest bridges in the country
to an island Alaska with 50 residents is a severe misallocation
of limited resources.

That kind of spending IS a waste.


Discussion of government spending often spins into a discussion
of simplifying the tax code or attempts to make it fairer. Keep
in mind that almost all of the tax code consists of rules lobbied
by and for corporate Amerika. Very little of the income tax code
applies to individuals. As to the fairness question, most of the
lower and middle class class are in a higher marginal tax bracket
than the well-to-do. The latter get a 7.6% marginal tax break
(no FICA or Medicare). So the middle class pay 32.6%; the wealthy
pay 20% or less. Talk about disincentives!


It matters how you look at income taxes (figures never lie, but
liars figure). The top 3% of earners pay about 40% of all income
taxes. The top 1/12% pay about 10% of the taxes. Why do the super
rich guys want a flat tax? And the other obvious problem, you pay
a lot of taxes, probably more than you realize, besides income tax.

A nice reference from the definitive source:

  http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_139.html

--
Crist J. Clark   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Globalstar Communications(408) 933-4387


Fwd: Re: Dst. ports 33438, 33437 (64.95.255.255) [data393]

2005-08-11 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)

The following is some dialogue that I posted to the
DShield.org list last night, trying to figure out
why I was seeing these odd traceroute probes in my firewall
logs at home.

I post it here for two reasons:

[1] Does anyone have any experience with InterNAP's FCP-500
product? I was looking for some additional technical info beyond
what is on their web site. Contact me off-list, of course.

And,

[2] Just thought some of you might be interested. :-)

- ferg




-- Forwarded Message --

Just as an FYI  follow-up to last night's e-mails
from me to on the list [subject line above], I received
this from InterNAP this morning. Though I'd share...

- feeg




-- Forwarded Message --

We have received the following notice regarding trace route traffic
originating from our network, so I thought I would give respond to give
you a bit of piece of mind.  The packets you are seeing are actually a
very GOOD thing.  Our datacenter employs a technology which tunes BGP
routing tables for outbound traffic to provide the highest performing
route path.  On average, this shaves 35-40ms off the round-trip time for
network performance.  The device which performs these operations is
called an Internap FCP-500.  You can view more information at
http://www.internap.com/products/route-optimization.htm 

Chances are, your public IP address was part of communication with our
datacenter.  Since over 10,000 web sites are hosted in our center, it is
a very likely case that you accessed a web site, which then triggered
the performance platform to probe round-trip times via traditional trace
route and ping protocols.  Once you communicate with the datacenter for
the first time, the device will continue to probe the pathway for
performance data periodically, and adjust routes accordingly.

The end result is, a better performing experience since the packets take
the best performing pathway through the Internet from the datacenter to
the end user.

Regards,
Susan Cook



Susan Cook | AUP Enforcement
[contact info elided]
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:46 PM
Posted To: Data393 Abuse
Conversation: [ABUSE] Re: [Dshield] Dst. ports 33438, 33437
(64.95.255.255) [data393]
Subject: [ABUSE] Re: [Dshield] Dst. ports 33438, 33437 (64.95.255.255)
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Subject: Re: [Dshield] Dst. ports 33438, 33437

...and, now I see an adjacent port as well:

2005-08-10 21:21:48 -05:00  877446811   64.94.45.10
14484   67.64.90.x  33436   udp


64.94.45.10 -- fcp-2.chg.pnap.net

Hmmm.

OrgName: Internap Network Services
OrgID: PNAP
Address: 250 Williams Street
Address: Suite E100
City: Atlanta
StateProv: GA
PostalCode: 30303
Country: US

NetRange: 64.94.0.0 - 64.95.255.255
CIDR: 64.94.0.0/15
NetName: PNAP-05-2000
NetHandle: NET-64-94-0-0-1
Parent: NET-64-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.PNAP.NET
NameServer: NS2.PNAP.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 2000-06-05
Updated: 2002-06-17

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# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2005-08-10 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

 Tracing to: 64.94.45.10

 1  legacy26-0.default.csail.mit.edu (18.26.0.1) [AS3]  0 ms  0 ms  0 ms
 2  kalgan.trantor.csail.mit.edu (128.30.0.245) [AS40]  0 ms  0 ms  0 ms
 3  B24-RTR-2-CSAIL.MIT.EDU (18.4.7.1) [AS3]  90 ms  96 ms  2 ms
 4  

Re: Fwd: Re: Dst. ports 33438, 33437 (64.95.255.255) [data393]

2005-08-11 Thread Bruce Pinsky

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Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote:
 The following is some dialogue that I posted to the
 DShield.org list last night, trying to figure out
 why I was seeing these odd traceroute probes in my firewall
 logs at home.
 
 I post it here for two reasons:
 
 [1] Does anyone have any experience with InterNAP's FCP-500
 product? I was looking for some additional technical info beyond
 what is on their web site. Contact me off-list, of course.
 
 And,
 
 [2] Just thought some of you might be interested. :-)
 

That is the product/technology they got from their acquisition of netVmg,
one of the companies in the so-called route optimization space (see also
Routescience, Proficient Networks, Sockeye Networks).

Cisco also has a similar feature/functionality called Optimized Exit
Routing (OER).

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Providers that support prepending to specific remote AS's?

2005-08-11 Thread David Hubbard

Hi all, I'd appreciate any on or offlist emails
with the names of larger providers that allow
you, through communities, to do prepending of
your AS path to selected remote AS's.  We use two
providers that allow this since we use the feature
but am wanting to dump one of our providers who
does not.

Basically we have a customer within AS X and us
and AS X both have transit through AS Y.  The link
between AS Y and AS X is seriously overloaded so our
customer is pretty much dead in the water since AS X
is a countrywide monopoly telco for the country in
question.  We've forced traffic to AS X to take
a different route in but since we can't path prepend
just to AS X through AS Y, we're stuck with the
only solution being disable the link to AS Y or
prepend to all of AS Y which we don't want to do.
AS Y doesn't feel the need to help since their view
is the customer of theirs has chosen to not upgrade
the oversubscribed link.

Thanks,

David


... with a hint of citrus ...

2005-08-11 Thread bmanning


ok...
now for the(*) subjective question of the day.
(private replies requested)

for those ASNs who touch one or more exchange points
which are IN THE US, please rank order your five 
favorite IX's - with a brief one-liner as to why you
like the particular IX.

I'd like to compare notes :)

(*) as if

--bill


Re: ... with a hint of citrus ...

2005-08-11 Thread Richard A Steenbergen

On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 12:38:52AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 ok...
   now for the(*) subjective question of the day.
   (private replies requested)
   
   for those ASNs who touch one or more exchange points
   which are IN THE US, please rank order your five 
   favorite IX's - with a brief one-liner as to why you
   like the particular IX.
 
   I'd like to compare notes :)

Do you count a single company operating multiple IX's at one entry or 
multiples? For example, Equinix, PAIX, etc, are you interested in a 
specific IX or a specific IX operator?

-- 
Richard A Steenbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras
GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)


Re: ... with a hint of citrus ...

2005-08-11 Thread bmanning

On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 09:41:42PM -0400, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
 
 On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 12:38:52AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  ok...
  now for the(*) subjective question of the day.
  (private replies requested)
  
  for those ASNs who touch one or more exchange points
  which are IN THE US, please rank order your five 
  favorite IX's - with a brief one-liner as to why you
  like the particular IX.
  
  I'd like to compare notes :)
 
 Do you count a single company operating multiple IX's at one entry or 
 multiples? For example, Equinix, PAIX, etc, are you interested in a 
 specific IX or a specific IX operator?

specific IX

--bill


Re: Providers that support prepending to specific remote AS's?

2005-08-11 Thread Charles Gucker

On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 08:06:09PM -0400, David Hubbard wrote:
 Hi all, I'd appreciate any on or offlist emails
 with the names of larger providers that allow
 you, through communities, to do prepending of
 your AS path to selected remote AS's.  We use two
 providers that allow this since we use the feature
 but am wanting to dump one of our providers who
 does not.

I guess cutting to the chase here would be best.
I have been collecting BGP community guides for a number
of service providers who publically state their BGP
communities and their usage.  This would include your
desired abilities.

You can find the collection at:
http://www.onesc.net/communities

For a quick shameless plug, if anybody has additional
community guide locations, big or small, please let me know
offlist.

 Basically we have a customer within AS X and us
 and AS X both have transit through AS Y.  The link
 between AS Y and AS X is seriously overloaded so our
 customer is pretty much dead in the water since AS X
 is a countrywide monopoly telco for the country in
 question.  We've forced traffic to AS X to take
 a different route in but since we can't path prepend
 just to AS X through AS Y, we're stuck with the
 only solution being disable the link to AS Y or
 prepend to all of AS Y which we don't want to do.
 AS Y doesn't feel the need to help since their view
 is the customer of theirs has chosen to not upgrade
 the oversubscribed link.

Hrm, sounds like you'd really make out from being 
able to tell your upstream to surpress the announcements out
to that network, provided they aren't a customer of the
upstream that is ;-)   Keep in mind, if they are a customer
the communities, in most cases, will not the results you are
looking for.

charles