Re: P2P Darknets to eclipse bandwidth management?

2005-09-01 Thread Petri Helenius


Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote:


Overlooking the point that this kind of smells like a pitch for
Staselog, I'd be curious to hear of this is an issue on ISP
bandwidth management radar... or already is...
 

I've been asked this question repeatedly almost as long as we've had the 
traffic engineering / classification capabilities in our product. The 
great change towards encrypted p2p protocols has always been "just 
moments away" for the last three years. In this time we've seen the 
predominant p2p protocol to change from Kazaa to eDonkey, from eDonkey 
to DirectConnect and from there, to BitTorrent. The fraction of traffic 
classified as "other" has been 2-4% of total since we shipped.


Obviously the fact that the world has not changed in the past is no 
proof that it will not in the future. If it does towards increased 
privacy and encryption, I'm all for the change.


Pete



Re: the right list to use for talking about nanog is nanog-futures

2005-09-01 Thread Randy Bush

> the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is broken.

this has been fixed.  apologies.

randy



Vonage Contacts?

2005-09-01 Thread Mike Lyon
If anyone from Vonage is on NANOG could you please drop me an e-mail off-list?

Thank You,
Mike


Re: TIA-942 Datacenter Standardization

2005-09-01 Thread Jay R. Ashworth

On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 10:54:26PM +1200, Simon Lyall wrote:
> also "The Practice of System and Network Administration" by Limoncelli and
> Hogan has a few pointers as well but on a smaller scale and it feels a
> little old at times.

Tom tells me he's prepping a seconfd edition for late 96; anyone who
has comments on the first edition should codify them and ship them to
him now.

Cheers,
-- jra
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New Orleans Cops Use Single Radio Channel

2005-09-01 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)

An AP newswire article by Bruce Myerson, via Yahoo! News,
reports that:

[snip]

By Thursday, nearly 10,000 satellite-based wireless phones had poured into the 
hurricane zone to coordinate relief efforts by federal disaster personnel and 
Red Cross workers, said service providers Globalstar LLC and Iridium Satellite 
LLC.

[snip]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050902/ap_on_hi_te/katrina_telecom

- ferg


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Re: DirectNIC requests BellSouth help.

2005-09-01 Thread Michael Loftis


--On September 1, 2005 8:20:12 PM + Paul Vixie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



directnic's nameservers appear to have been botchified during some kind of
hurried attempt to mirror them outside of new orleans.


<...>

good eyes paul, been in contact with people over there and it's getting 
fixed.  i hadn't been following nanog but i'm floating in the IRC stuff 
(since I'm also freenode staff...).  Mike B. relays back thanks that the 
problem is being fixed.  (sorry if this is duplicate information!)



this is going to make directnic's customers, or any zone served by these
two nameservers, harder to reach than they strictly need to be.  can
someone from directnic contact someone at verisign, or vice versa, and
get this straightened out?
--
Paul Vixie





--
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into trouble of all kinds."
-- Samuel Butler


RE: Bell South or Telcove help needed in NOLA

2005-09-01 Thread Alex Rubenstein



I made the offer to DirectNIC directly (no pun), and now here publicly.. 
if anyone distressed folks in the New Orleans need any resources, please 
feel free to contact me. We will do whatever we can to accomodate any 
needs.




On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Hannigan, Martin wrote:




"If anyone who works for or has connections with Bell South
or Telcove is
reading this, tell us what it's going to take to get those
OC3s back up
and running. We will try to coordinate and make it happen."



If I were DirectNIC, I'd be making arrangements to operate
from a place other than New Orleans for the time being.

-M<



--
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Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net



RE: August 2005: Drone Army Botnet C&C listing

2005-09-01 Thread Christopher L. Morrow



On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Hannigan, Martin wrote:

>
>
>
> > 30058   FDCSERVERS - FDCservers.net LL  123 43
> > 21840   SAGONET-TPA - Sago Networks 53  26
> >
>
> Much better. And no IL-CERT. :-)
>
> Is it safe to say the resolutions, at least in these two
> cases, are because of others mitigation activities i.e.
> snatching back the RR's, shutting off the domain, black
> holes, etc?

Does the full report (where does one find that anyway?) have what the
supposed resolution is/was?


P2P Darknets to eclipse bandwidth management?

2005-09-01 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)

Interesting article, and something I think that will certainly
becaome an issue for ISPs. Is this a real issue ISPs are thinking
about?

Via The Register:

[snip]

Encrypted P2P networks will soon make bandwidth management based on deep packet 
inspection obsolete, says Staselog, a Finnish appliance outfit.

Around 80 per cent of all traffic in the Internet is already P2P. This traffic 
will increase 1,000-fold in the next five years and most of it will be 
encrypted P2P, according to a study by Staselog and researchers at Finnish 
Universities.

[snip]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/01/darknets_fox_traffic_manage_tech/

Overlooking the point that this kind of smells like a pitch for
Staselog, I'd be curious to hear of this is an issue on ISP
bandwidth management radar... or already is...

- ferg


--
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 Engineering Architecture for the Internet
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BellSouth: 180 Central Offices on Generator Power, 870,000 Lines Out

2005-09-01 Thread Sean Donelan

BellSouth is concentrating on repairing major cables, ensuring telephone
switching centers continue to have back-up power until commercial power
can be restored, as well as getting communications established for
emergency personnel, city and government officials and hospitals.

COX has not begun making an assessment, but did announce it was suspending
billing for residential and commercial customers in New Orleans.


Re: DirectNIC requests BellSouth help.

2005-09-01 Thread Paul Vixie

directnic's nameservers appear to have been botchified during some kind of
hurried attempt to mirror them outside of new orleans.

according to the .COM servers:

ns0.directnic.com.  2D IN A 204.251.10.100
ns1.directnic.com.  2D IN A 66.115.160.187

according to the .100 server shown above:

ns0.directnic.com.  1D IN A 204.251.10.100
ns1.directnic.com.  1D IN A 66.115.130.188

according to the .187 server shown above:

ns0.directnic.com.  1D IN A 204.251.10.100
ns1.directnic.com.  1D IN A 66.115.130.188

according to the .188 server shown:

;; res_nsend: Connection refused

this is going to make directnic's customers, or any zone served by these
two nameservers, harder to reach than they strictly need to be.  can someone
from directnic contact someone at verisign, or vice versa, and get this
straightened out?
-- 
Paul Vixie


Re: redcross.org certificate problems with Akamai

2005-09-01 Thread Jay R. Ashworth

On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 03:47:30PM -0400, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
> > The donations page is Akamaized, and the certificate says
> > "a248.e.akamai.net" instead of "www.redcross.org".
> > 
> > I have the certificate signature available off-line.
> 
> Which part of the transaction does this occur at? Do you have a
> specific URL? All of the VeriSign security seals are reporting
> known and trusted host and the certs are matching.
> 
> They appear to be outsourcing their payment processing to
> Convio. It's all matching up.

I clicked on the "Donate NOW" box on the front page, and it happened
during the redirect.  I didn't get to see that they'd switched to
Convio at that point, because I wanted to keep the detail around, and
because hanging on that dialog suspends *all* of firefox's threads.

I finally released it, and I see that it's working OK now; I also see
that they switched that processing to Convio, and perhaps I got caught
in an out-of-phase moment.

I suppose I know better than to assume it's really broken until it
breaks three times in fifteen minutes (my own rule, ironically).

Sorry, all.

Cheers,
-- jra
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Re: Katrina: directNIC Stays Online - Blog + Images

2005-09-01 Thread Dan Hollis


On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Todd Vierling wrote:

On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Dan Hollis wrote:

There are other reasons too. People have been following NOPD police scanners
and posting news that the mainstream media refuse to cover:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1474267/posts

If you're going to post a URL on *that* site (for other NANOG'ers, it's a
highly politically charged site), I am obliged to exercise equal time.
Louisiana forum:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=155


listen to the police scanner yourself.

-Dan


Re: now it's really serious in New Orleans

2005-09-01 Thread Joseph S D Yao

On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 01:13:48PM -0400, Christopher Woodfield wrote:
> While I'm not in a position to do this myself, as much as I would  
> like to, I'm wondering if any of the relief organizations that are  
> mobilizing down there are in need of volunteer IT/networking clue and  
> hands setting up C&C infrastructure and whatnot. If anyone knows who  
> the appropriate folks to contact if you're in a position to help out,  
> even if it's just over the long weekend, I would recommend posting here.


I have noticed that the Red Cross is now looking for any vaguely
disciplined people whom to train and send down there.  There is also a
Red Cross IT group.  Let me see ... the answer I'm given is, go to your
local Red Cross Chapter, sign up to be in the Disaster Services Human
Resources (DSHR) program, tell them your only skill is in IT [because
95% of the people going down there RIGHT NOW will be doing Mass Care].
And hope that the ARC DS people who know whom to contact about this
haven't already left for Mississippi.  [I used to have a contact in the
Regional Headquarters, but there isn't a Regional Headquarters any more,
and he's probably down in the thick of things right now.]


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Re: Katrina: directNIC Stays Online - Blog + Images

2005-09-01 Thread Todd Vierling

On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Dan Hollis wrote:

> There are other reasons too. People have been following NOPD police scanners
> and posting news that the mainstream media refuse to cover:
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1474267/posts

If you're going to post a URL on *that* site (for other NANOG'ers, it's a
highly politically charged site), I am obliged to exercise equal time.

Louisiana forum:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=155

-- 
-- Todd Vierling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Re: DirectNIC requests BellSouth help.

2005-09-01 Thread Sean Donelan

On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Adam 'Starblazer' Romberg wrote:
> "If anyone who works for or has connections with Bell South or Telcove
> is reading this, tell us what it's going to take to get those OC3s
> back up and running. We will try to coordinate and make it happen. "
>
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/39993.html

Do they have a TSP number issued by the US Government for emergency
restoration?

No?

Then they are probably in the back of the line after federal, state and
local emergency telecommunication needs.



RE: redcross.org certificate problems with Akamai

2005-09-01 Thread Hannigan, Martin


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Jay R. Ashworth
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:12 PM
> To: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Ops: redcross.org certificate problems with Akamai
> 
> 
> 
> The donations page is Akamaized, and the certificate says
> "a248.e.akamai.net" instead of "www.redcross.org".
> 
> I have the certificate signature available off-line.


Which part of the transaction does this occur at? Do you have a
specific URL? All of the VeriSign security seals are reporting
known and trusted host and the certs are matching.

They appear to be outsourcing their payment processing to
Convio. It's all matching up.


-M<

 


Ops: redcross.org certificate problems with Akamai

2005-09-01 Thread Jay R. Ashworth

The donations page is Akamaized, and the certificate says
"a248.e.akamai.net" instead of "www.redcross.org".

I have the certificate signature available off-line.

Cheers,
-- jra
-- 
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RE: Bell South or Telcove help needed in NOLA

2005-09-01 Thread Hannigan, Martin

> "If anyone who works for or has connections with Bell South 
> or Telcove is
> reading this, tell us what it's going to take to get those 
> OC3s back up
> and running. We will try to coordinate and make it happen."


If I were DirectNIC, I'd be making arrangements to operate
from a place other than New Orleans for the time being.

-M<


RE: UNITED.COM (United Airlines) has been down for days! Any info on this?

2005-09-01 Thread Grant A. Kirkwood

Henry Yen wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 11:10:45AM -0700, Grant A. Kirkwood wrote:
> > 
> > John Palmer wrote:
> > >
> > >The United Airlines website appears to be down and has 
> been down for days.
> > > 
> > >Is this a network issue or are they out of business??
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Neither.. just systematic and ongoing web development incompetency.
> > 
> > http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=467617
> > 
> > http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=467121
> > 
> > http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=468034
> > 
> > etc
> 
> This problem (or its close relative) was discussed on nanog 
> less than three months ago:
>http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/2005-06/msg00034.html


Their problems go far, far beyond just DNS. They have had consistent
problems for well over a year. Basic stuff--- like booking a ticket. It's no
wonder they can't get out of bankruptcy.




DirectNIC requests BellSouth help.

2005-09-01 Thread Adam 'Starblazer' Romberg

Straight from the source:

"If anyone who works for or has connections with Bell South or Telcove
is reading this, tell us what it's going to take to get those OC3s
back up and running. We will try to coordinate and make it happen. "

http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/39993.html


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System Administrator   Direct Line: 920-968-7713
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Bell South or Telcove help needed in NOLA

2005-09-01 Thread Lucy E. Lynch

passing a message:

"If anyone who works for or has connections with Bell South or Telcove is
reading this, tell us what it's going to take to get those OC3s back up
and running. We will try to coordinate and make it happen."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/

Lucy E. Lynch   Academic User Services
Computing CenterUniversity of Oregon
llynch  @darkwing.uoregon.edu   (541) 346-1774


Re: UNITED.COM (United Airlines) has been down for days! Any info on this?

2005-09-01 Thread Henry Yen

On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 11:10:45AM -0700, Grant A. Kirkwood wrote:
> 
> John Palmer wrote:
> >
> >The United Airlines website appears to be down and has been down for days.
> > 
> >Is this a network issue or are they out of business??
> >
> 
> 
> Neither.. just systematic and ongoing web development incompetency.
> 
> http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=467617
> 
> http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=467121
> 
> http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=468034
> 
> etc

This problem (or its close relative) was discussed on nanog less than
three months ago:
   http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/2005-06/msg00034.html

-- 
Henry Yen   Aegis Information Systems, Inc.
Senior Systems Programmer   Hicksville, New York


Bell South or Telcove contacts.

2005-09-01 Thread andrew matthews
The guys over at http://www.directnic.com/ are looking for contacts to find out what it will take to get a few oc3's back up.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/




 If anyone who works for or has
connections with Bell South or Telcove is reading this, tell us what
it's going to take to get those OC3s back up and running. We will try
to coordinate and make it happen.  
  




just passing the information over. Hoping someone from those companies reads nanog :)

Thanks


ATTN: Bell South of Telcove

2005-09-01 Thread Chris Gilbert

Sent on behalf of the guys over at InterNIC. 

They probably have better things to do, but it's the least I can do to help.

[snip]
If anyone who works for or has connections with Bell South or Telcove is 
reading this, tell us what it's going to take to get those OC3s back up and 
running. We will try to coordinate and make it happen. 
[/snip]

Apparently they are down to one upstream provider. (as predicted they would 
loose them earlier on the list)

Also:

[snip]
Huge convoy of fuel and generator engineer types affiliated with Bell South 
just moved down the street toward their building. That's where 2 of our OC3s 
that went down are at Bell's main.
[/snip]

Best of luck to everyone.

--
Regards,
Chris Gilbert


Re: UNITED.COM (United Airlines) has been down for days! Any info on this?

2005-09-01 Thread Jamie Norwood
On 9/1/05, John Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







The United Airlines website appears to be down and has been 
down for days.
 
Is this a network issue or are they out of 
business??

Works fine for me. What testing have you done and what exactly are you seeing?

Jamie
 



RE: UNITED.COM (United Airlines) has been down for days! Any info on this?

2005-09-01 Thread Grant A. Kirkwood

John Palmer wrote:
>
>The United Airlines website appears to be down and has been down for days.
> 
>Is this a network issue or are they out of business??
>


Neither.. just systematic and ongoing web development incompetency.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=467617

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=467121

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=468034

etc



RE: UNITED.COM (United Airlines) has been down for days! Any info on this?

2005-09-01 Thread Scott Morris



Works fine for me.
 
*shrug*
 
www.ual.com also forwards 
appropriately.
 
Scott


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John PalmerSent: 
Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:55 PMTo: 
nanog@merit.eduSubject: UNITED.COM (United Airlines) has been down 
for days! Any info on this?

The United Airlines website appears to be down and has been 
down for days.
 
Is this a network issue or are they out of 
business??


Re: UNITED.COM (United Airlines) has been down for days! Any info on this?

2005-09-01 Thread eric-list-nanog

On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 12:54:42 -0500, John Palmer proclaimed...

> 
>The United Airlines website appears to be down and has been down for
>days.

Plug your computer back into the network. It works fine here from several
AS's


UNITED.COM (United Airlines) has been down for days! Any info on this?

2005-09-01 Thread John Palmer



The United Airlines website appears to be down and has been 
down for days.
 
Is this a network issue or are they out of 
business??


OT: Attn Federal NS/EP types

2005-09-01 Thread Jay R. Ashworth

If there's anyone in black sunglasses reading this positioned
sufficiently high to do any good, please go read

http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/39438.html?mode=reply

(Please do not reply on list to this posting.  Anyone who feels the
need to yell at me, please do it off-list.)

Cheers,
-- jra
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Re: Replacing PSTN with VoIP wise? Was Re: Phone networks struggle in Hurricane Katrina's wake

2005-09-01 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 08:48:04 +0300, Petri Helenius said:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >It's clearly possible to find telco engineers with 5/10/15 years experience 
> >in
> >running PSTN (might even find somebody with 40-50 years? :).  It's possible 
> >to
> >find network engineers with lots of BGP experience. Where do you find a 
> >senior
> >engineer with 5+ years experience in enterprise-scale VoIP deployment?

> Deployable enterprise VoIP products existed in 1998. So it would be 
> somebody who was there doing it back then? Goes 5+ with a margin.

Yes, but I hear that both of the guys who actually *DEPLOYED* anything
enterprise-wide in 1998 are happily employed and not available.



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nanog-futures list

2005-09-01 Thread Susan Harris


It's back - thanks to the Steering Committee for prompting us to get the 
list going again.  There's no need for action if you're already 
subscribed; for others there's subscription info here:


http://www.nanog.org/email.html


Re: now it's really serious in New Orleans

2005-09-01 Thread Christopher Woodfield


While I'm not in a position to do this myself, as much as I would  
like to, I'm wondering if any of the relief organizations that are  
mobilizing down there are in need of volunteer IT/networking clue and  
hands setting up C&C infrastructure and whatnot. If anyone knows who  
the appropriate folks to contact if you're in a position to help out,  
even if it's just over the long weekend, I would recommend posting here.


-C

On Aug 31, 2005, at 1:38 AM, Andrew D Kirch wrote:


On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 18:07 -0700, Fred Heutte wrote:


In an running on WWL TV right now, Mayor Ray Nagin says that
a planned sandbag drop to stop the levee breach near pump #6
at the 17th St. Canal didn't happen and the pump has failed, so the
probability is that the "bowl will now be filled," meaning water will
flood the majority of the city including the Garden District, French
Quarter and CBD.  If unabated the water will go to the level of
Lake Pontchartrain, about 3 feet ASL, which means, for example,
9 feet of water on St Charles Street.

The mayor called the missed opportunity a "blunder" and said this
would unfold over the next 12-15 hours.

Now it's time to really worry.

fh




While we're off topic, the Red Cross needs blood donations.  It wont
keep networks up, but hopefully it will keep people in need alive.   
For

more information/ to locate the nearest Red Cross.  Please visit
https://www.givelife.org for the location of the nearest blood drive.
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Re: Katrina: directNIC Stays Online - Blog + Images

2005-09-01 Thread John Curran

At 2:13 AM -0700 9/1/05, Dan Hollis wrote:
>Some rescue services are refusing to enter due to armed thugs roaming the 
>streets with ak47 assault rifles, carjacking, mugging and murdering people.
>...
>Does not sound like a place any sane person would choose to go to. I don't 
>think "risking your life to protect your employer's property" is on the job 
>description...

While there aren't a lot of systems that are worth the risk, they definitely do 
exist -
think air traffic control, hospital power generation, emergency dispatch, and 
relief
effort coordination.   Companies suffer when they're offline, but in the above 
cases,
people can die.   The good news is these systems are usually better equipped and
protected than the local data center...

/John


Re: Replacing PSTN with VoIP wise? Was Re: Phone networks struggle in Hurricane Katrina's wake

2005-09-01 Thread jc dill


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But then, people don't really care about this, as cell is in the 
exact same boat and huge numbers of people rely on just their cell 
phone and no longer have a fixed line (in Europe at least).



I have read accounts that suggest that cellphone subscribers
from New Orleans only have one way service. In other words,
if you left New Orleans with your cellphone then you can
make outgoing calls but no-one can call you. I don't know
how widespread this is, but knowing that there has to 
be an SS7 switch in New Orleans directing those incoming

calls to your new location, I can imaging that loss of
such a switch would create problems.


It is sometimes the case in disasters that people from inside can call 
out but that people from outside can't call in because the circuits into 
the disaster area become overloaded.  This would hold true especially in 
 the case where many people in the disaster area have no access to 
working phones, so those with working phones can easily get a free 
outbound circuit - meanwhile frantic friends and family clog up the 
incoming circuits trying to reach phones that are out of service or 
people who simply aren't near the phone and who can't answer but those 
calls still tie up circuits each time they are attempted.


I've had several reports that cell phone users who can't make *or* 
receive calls are successfully sending *and* receiving SMS.  It could be 
that the problem is one of not enough cell channels and working phone 
circuits for all the phone calls people want to make, but that the SMS 
channel is not overloaded and thus SMS traffic can zip on thru (when the 
cell has power and can reach a working cell tower).


jc


Re: now it's really serious in New Orleans

2005-09-01 Thread Joseph S D Yao

On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 12:38:24AM -0500, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
...
> While we're off topic, the Red Cross needs blood donations.  It wont
> keep networks up, but hopefully it will keep people in need alive.  For
> more information/ to locate the nearest Red Cross.  Please visit
> https://www.givelife.org for the location of the nearest blood drive. 

Or call 1-800-give-life if you happen to remember this only after
logging out.

With apologies to on-topic purists present.

-- 
Joe Yao
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Re: trying to move web site for New Orleans schools

2005-09-01 Thread Simon Waters

On Thursday 01 Sep 2005 3:59 pm, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
>
> get the school to contact netsol, they can authorize it without the
> sysadmin...

Note also the mail server for the domain used is up and running. 

So the schools representatives may have an easier time getting the email 
changes by speaking to their email provider (who they may have to talk to 
anyway).

Usually if you control the email address, you can get all sorts of lost 
passwords, or authorisations sorted.


RE: trying to move web site for New Orleans schools

2005-09-01 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)

Good advice.

The miscreants have already been busy in that regard...

- ferg


-- "Hannigan, Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Outside the NANOG charter, but given the current 
> circumstances, this seemed 
> to be a reasonable forum for suggestions on solving this problem. 

I suggest everyone move with caution on making any unauthenticated
changes on the fly for anyone claiming to be impacted by the storm. 
I know we all feel badly, but this is a good opportunity for miscreants, 
phishers, and scammers to wreak havoc. 

-M<
--
"Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
 Engineering Architecture for the Internet
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/



RE: trying to move web site for New Orleans schools

2005-09-01 Thread Hannigan, Martin




> 
> Outside the NANOG charter, but given the current 
> circumstances, this seemed 
> to be a reasonable forum for suggestions on solving this problem. 

I suggest everyone move with caution on making any unauthenticated
changes on the fly for anyone claiming to be impacted by the storm. 
I know we all feel badly, but this is a good opportunity for miscreants, 
phishers, and scammers to wreak havoc. 

-M<


Re: trying to move web site for New Orleans schools

2005-09-01 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox

get the school to contact netsol, they can authorize it without the sysadmin...

On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Mark Boolootian wrote:

> 
> 
> Outside the NANOG charter, but given the current circumstances, this seemed 
> to be a reasonable forum for suggestions on solving this problem.  
> 
> ---
> 
> Subject: Web aid
> Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:05:22 -0500
> >From: Paul Tatarsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> This is something that until a few minutes ago I never even
> considered as part of this whole Hurricane fallout. 
> 
> I got a call from a high school friend who lived in New Orleans. 
> He's in Florida now. 
> 
> There is a emerging need to use the web to help scattered folks
> get status from schools, businesses, etc. Many many servers are gone. 
> People are at relatives homes and are trying to use the Internet
> to get status. 
> 
> They want to swing DNS for their kids school to a new server but
> cannot contact their sysadmin who has the accounts at Network Solutions.
> Does anybody have an idea how to solve that? 
> 
> But, I'm starting to setup a template BSD machine to provide basic
> web vhosts and squirrel mail. We're going to start with his kids
> school. 
> 
> Here's all that is currently left electronically:
> 
> http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:009iQtpHviwJ:www.stuarthall.org/+&hl=en&lr=&strip=1
> 
> 
> Paul Tatarsky[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sysadmin Consultant(608) 441-7365
>  http://www.tatarsky.com/
> 
> 



trying to move web site for New Orleans schools

2005-09-01 Thread Mark Boolootian


Outside the NANOG charter, but given the current circumstances, this seemed 
to be a reasonable forum for suggestions on solving this problem.  

---

Subject: Web aid
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:05:22 -0500
>From: Paul Tatarsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


This is something that until a few minutes ago I never even
considered as part of this whole Hurricane fallout. 

I got a call from a high school friend who lived in New Orleans. 
He's in Florida now. 

There is a emerging need to use the web to help scattered folks
get status from schools, businesses, etc. Many many servers are gone. 
People are at relatives homes and are trying to use the Internet
to get status. 

They want to swing DNS for their kids school to a new server but
cannot contact their sysadmin who has the accounts at Network Solutions.
Does anybody have an idea how to solve that? 

But, I'm starting to setup a template BSD machine to provide basic
web vhosts and squirrel mail. We're going to start with his kids
school. 

Here's all that is currently left electronically:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:009iQtpHviwJ:www.stuarthall.org/+&hl=en&lr=&strip=1


Paul Tatarsky[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sysadmin Consultant  (608) 441-7365
 http://www.tatarsky.com/



Re: This fall in LA

2005-09-01 Thread Susan Harris



http://www.arin.net/ARIN-XVI/ipv6_workshop.html
https://www.merit.edu/nanog/registration.form.html



Does anyone besides me notice that there is no venue listed on either page?


Ah, good point.  The v6 workshop will be held at the meeting hotel, the 
Hilton Los Angeles/Universal City.


Re: Has someone in Asia exploited Cisco

2005-09-01 Thread Robert Guess

Offhand, I would be tempted to say it is the activity of a not
exceedingly competent attacker trying to exploit a very old bug. The
sender is probing for the HTTP Authentication Bypass Issue from June 27
2001.

Original Advisory
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/IOS-httplevel-pub.html 

Malicious request:  http:///level/16/exec/ 

Analyze the timing and source of log events to determine if it is an
automated issue. 

Robert Guess
Assistant Professor, Information Systems Technology
Tidewater Community College
(757) 822-5022

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>>> "J. Oquendo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/01/05 9:07 AM >>>


After doing some logfile analysis briefly yesterday, I noticed what
seems
to be some form of bot, worm, something, searching for what could seems
to
point to a Cisco exploitation of sorts. (http://tinyurl.com/df9d8)

All the hosts who've tried searching for the string are coming from
APNIC.
So I'm wondering... Has someone taken Michael Lynn's paper "Holy
Grail"
and produced a "DaVinci Code" to exploit the flaws Lynn spoke of...

Code snippet below is of "cisco_scanner.c" which searches for the same
particular /level/16/exec/-///pwd string however the code can be
modified
(obviously) and a search turns up less than one page of results on
Google.
Author's page seems to be gone like the wind... Anyhow.


# grep "/level/16/exec/-///" access_log |awk '{print $1,"\t\t"$7}'
58.236.50.75/level/16/exec/-///pwd
221.141.168.137 /level/16/exec/-///pwd
221.138.93.31   /level/16/exec/-///pwd
218.53.244.16   /level/16/exec/-///pwd
222.232.84.34   /level/16/exec/-///pwd
222.238.128.14  /level/16/exec/-///pwd
218.50.74.189   /level/16/exec/-///pwd
218.239.26.42   /level/16/exec/-///pwd
218.232.83.18   /level/16/exec/-///pwd
211.208.254.67  /level/16/exec/-///pwd

whois.apnic.net $ABOVE_HOSTS


Code snippet...

/*
Multi-thread Cisco HTTP vulnerable scanner v0.2
by Inode
*/

#define HTTP_REQUEST "GET /level/16/exec/-///pwd  HTTP/1.0\n\n"

So now I have yet another mod_security rule added ;)

SecFilterSelective THE_REQUEST "/level/16"
"redirect:http://www.cisco.com";

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
J. Oquendo
GPG Key ID 0x97B43D89
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x97B43D89 

It is much easier to suggest solutions when you know nothing
about the problem. -- Niklaus Wirth


Has someone in Asia exploited Cisco

2005-09-01 Thread J. Oquendo


After doing some logfile analysis briefly yesterday, I noticed what seems
to be some form of bot, worm, something, searching for what could seems to
point to a Cisco exploitation of sorts. (http://tinyurl.com/df9d8)

All the hosts who've tried searching for the string are coming from APNIC.
So I'm wondering... Has someone taken Michael Lynn's paper "Holy Grail"
and produced a "DaVinci Code" to exploit the flaws Lynn spoke of...

Code snippet below is of "cisco_scanner.c" which searches for the same
particular /level/16/exec/-///pwd string however the code can be modified
(obviously) and a search turns up less than one page of results on Google.
Author's page seems to be gone like the wind... Anyhow.


# grep "/level/16/exec/-///" access_log |awk '{print $1,"\t\t"$7}'
58.236.50.75/level/16/exec/-///pwd
221.141.168.137 /level/16/exec/-///pwd
221.138.93.31   /level/16/exec/-///pwd
218.53.244.16   /level/16/exec/-///pwd
222.232.84.34   /level/16/exec/-///pwd
222.238.128.14  /level/16/exec/-///pwd
218.50.74.189   /level/16/exec/-///pwd
218.239.26.42   /level/16/exec/-///pwd
218.232.83.18   /level/16/exec/-///pwd
211.208.254.67  /level/16/exec/-///pwd

whois.apnic.net $ABOVE_HOSTS


Code snippet...

/*
Multi-thread Cisco HTTP vulnerable scanner v0.2
by Inode
*/

#define HTTP_REQUEST "GET /level/16/exec/-///pwd  HTTP/1.0\n\n"

So now I have yet another mod_security rule added ;)

SecFilterSelective THE_REQUEST "/level/16" "redirect:http://www.cisco.com";

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
J. Oquendo
GPG Key ID 0x97B43D89
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x97B43D89

It is much easier to suggest solutions when you know nothing
about the problem. -- Niklaus Wirth


Re: TIA-942 Datacenter Standardization

2005-09-01 Thread Simon Lyall

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Deepak Jain wrote:
> Its more of a document I'd expect to spend a ridiculous some of money to
> have a consultant produce, not someone who should know better. Great
> college guide book to discuss "issues" though.

Are there other documents/books that people would instead recomend? I
found this recently but I've not started reading it (it's on my safari
bookshelf):

Build the Best Data Center Facility for Your Business
By Douglas Alger
ISBN: 1-58705-182-6


also "The Practice of System and Network Administration" by Limoncelli and
Hogan has a few pointers as well but on a smaller scale and it feels a
little old at times.


-- 
Simon J. Lyall  |  Very Busy  |  Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/
"To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.



Re: Replacing PSTN with VoIP wise? Was Re: Phone networks struggle in Hurricane Katrina's wake

2005-09-01 Thread Michael . Dillon

> But then, people don't really care about this, as cell is in the 
> exact same boat and huge numbers of people rely on just their cell 
> phone and no longer have a fixed line (in Europe at least).

I have read accounts that suggest that cellphone subscribers
from New Orleans only have one way service. In other words,
if you left New Orleans with your cellphone then you can
make outgoing calls but no-one can call you. I don't know
how widespread this is, but knowing that there has to 
be an SS7 switch in New Orleans directing those incoming
calls to your new location, I can imaging that loss of
such a switch would create problems.

A similar problem would be created if a web server relied
on DNS that was only hosted on servers in New Orleans.

--Michael Dillon



Re: Katrina: directNIC Stays Online - Blog + Images

2005-09-01 Thread Dan Hollis


On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Simon Waters wrote:

I think the issue is not staying at home or work, but rather deciding whetehr
or not to follow advice to evacuate an area, where you risk becoming a
liability for other rescue and recovery workers.


There are other reasons too. People have been following NOPD police 
scanners and posting news that the mainstream media refuse to cover:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1474267/posts

Some rescue services are refusing to enter due to armed thugs roaming the 
streets with ak47 assault rifles, carjacking, mugging and murdering 
people.


Law enforcement officials have been captured on videotape participating in 
the looting.


Does not sound like a place any sane person would choose to go to. I don't 
think "risking your life to protect your employer's property" is on the

job description...

-Dan


Re: Katrina: directNIC Stays Online - Blog + Images

2005-09-01 Thread Simon Waters

On Wednesday 31 Aug 2005 5:34 pm, Peter wrote:
> Simon Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > I guess there may be a need for some updates of DNS services due to
> > the incident itself, or similar elsewhere, but in almost all cases
> > this can be overridden further up the chain of DNS authority.
>
> I live just a mile down the road from the ISP I work at.
>
> Given the choice of sitting at home (no power, probably no roof), or
> hiding in the NOC (warm, internal room with no windows, has a shower
> and cooking facilities) and being *paid* for it, I'll "heroically" man
> the ship (as opposed to cowardly hiding at work).

I think the issue is not staying at home or work, but rather deciding whetehr 
or not to follow advice to evacuate an area, where you risk becoming a 
liability for other rescue and recovery workers.

I understand the need for handling some telecommunications differently from 
other services. 

But certainly in the Carribean, companies like C&W have established hurricane 
procedures, and will deploy staff (like the Red Cross did) in key areas close 
to the affected areas ready to step in and repair stuff without undue risk to 
their own employees and contractors.

For organisations like registrars there are plans in place for the loss of key 
organisations (mostly intended for business failure rather than catastrophic 
failure).

Obviously easy to comment with hindsight from a nice comfortable location.