Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption
$quoted_author = "Scott Francis" ; > > maybe there's a lot more overlap in shipping lanes and cable runs than > I thought ... In confined waters like the Suez, Red Sea et. al. there is a lot of overlap. Which makes three cables cuts in that area during bad weather not such a stretch of the imagination. Open waters like trans-Atlantic and trans-Pacific have less overlap with shipping lanes but still need to cross fishing areas etc.etc. But you'd be a little more suspicious if those sites had a similar cluster of cuts unless there was something in common (i.e. same landing station, cuts close to shore). cheers marty -- "Life's Little Mysteries. Noel Hunter of Chippendale is one of many to be confused, and amused, by the pair of professionally produced No Regrets street signs near the corner of Greens Road and Albion Avenue, Paddington. Printed in the same style as No Standing signs, their proximity to the College of Fine Arts may give a clue to their origins. Whatever, having regrets while between the signs is subject to a $144 fine from the NSW Dept of Second Thoughts." [1] [1] - http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/31/1080544560873.html
Re: Lessons from the AU model
$quoted_author = "Tom Vest" ; > > Occasional rhetorical indulgences notwithstanding, I'm a pragmatist; an > ever-rising upper limit that 99% of the population never ever notices is > not much of a limit. Sure it is. By knowing that no-one sharing the backhaul to the DSLAM at my CO can afford to do line rate 24x7 makes me sleep better at night. By using an ISP with sane limits I've never noticed performance degradation, even during peak periods. > However I've rarely (actually, before now, *never*) heard the AU/NZ > situation described thusly I must be spending too much time with the > wrong 2% I guess. The wrong 2% of what? :-) If you want to see the flat-rate churning horde in all their glory visit whirlpool.net.au, otherwise affectioninatly known as "whingepool" because of the bitching'n'whining every time an ISP goes under or attends ECONOMICS 101 and brings in sustainable limits. > And I've yet to hear how one will be credibly define or sustainably (and > legally) maintain such escalating limits. Simon's post pretty much sums up the kind of maths that justifies them. http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg05636.html Legal? What's legality have to do with this discussion? cheers marty -- "Multiple coffee suppliers feeding into a Redundant Arrangement of Independent Dispensers, to further reduce the chance of uncaffeinated downtime and increase Mean Time To Drowsiness." --Steve VanDevender alt.sysadmin.recovery - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Lessons from the AU model
$quoted_author = "Andy Davidson" ; > > I'm really happy for you to sell me some transit as long as I can peer with > you over MLP as well. Small commit. I agree to give you some of my > prefixes over the paid session, but I'm going to put all of my routes and > my customer's routes on the MLP. > > With any luck you wont notice, just be happy that you suddenly seem to be > selling more transit via your upstreams and also peering off more data > too.. :-) Anyone with clue is doing community tagging on learned routes and community filtering on advertised routes and/or as-path filtering on advertised routes. Anyone without clue is welcome to send me their ratecard. :) cheers marty -- "Picture if you will, hundreds of Cisco switches, galloping wildly across the server room, the herd turning as one to avoid the wily sysadmins that are attempting to cull the weak and sick. The slowest switches being captured and herded into racks, where they will spend the rest of their days, passing traffic, dreaming of the freedom they used to have, roaming free in the data center." --That Guy alt.sysadmin.recovery - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Lessons from the AU model
$quoted_author = "Randy Bush" ;
>
>> Likely to result in assymetric routing as the customer prefers peering
>> routes over transit.
>
> omg! asymmetric routing on the internet! world at eleven, end of news
> predicted! :)
:)
This was basically setting up the next comment which was in relation to how
this situation ("my customer is now at a multi-lateral peering point I'm on")
is not really an issue as far as the bean-counters are concerned. Unless any
ratio limit you have was applicable to that customer.
cheers
marty
--
with usenet gone, we just don't teach our kids entertainment-level hyperbole
any more. --Paul Vixie
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Re: Lessons from the AU model
$quoted_author = "Andy Davidson" ; > > .. think about what happens when your customers' routes start appearing > through your MLP session as well. Standard practice would be to localpref customer routes over peering routes. Likely to result in assymetric routing as the customer prefers peering routes over transit. The customer's inbound (standard billing metric) won't be affected but their ratio might. BTDTGTTS cheers marty -- "It'd go along with the 'Caution - hidden dip' signs on some of then more undulating local roads, which always have me looking out for concealed bowls of guacamole." --Tanuki alt.sysadmin.recovery - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?
$quoted_author = "Joe Greco" ; > > > >That's approximately correct. The true answer to the thought experiment > > >is "address those problems, don't continue to blindly pay those costs and > > >complain about how unique your problems are." Because the problems are > > >neither unique nor new - merely ingrained. People have solved them > > >before. > > > > "Address those problems" sounds quite a bit like an old Sam Kinnison > > routine, paraphrased as "move to where the broadband is! You live in > > a %*^&* expensive place." Sorry, but your statement comes across as > > arrogant, at least to me. > > It's arrogant to fix brokenness? Because I'm certainly there. In my > experience, if you don't bother to address problems, they're very likely > to remain, especially when money is involved on the opposite side. it's arrogant to use throwaway lines like "address those problems" when the reality is a complex political and corporate stoush over a former government entity with a monopoly on the local loop. AU should be at a stage where the next generation network (FTTx, for some values of x hopefully approaching H) will be built by a new, neutral entity owned by a consortium of telcos/ISPs with wholesale charges set on a cost recovery basis. if either political party realises how important this is for AUs future and stares down telstra in their game of ACCC chicken, that may even become a reality. cheers marty -- You get 10 points for difficulty, but for execution you get minus three. "Holding On" - Lazy Susan
Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?
$quoted_author = "Joe Greco" ; > > The real problem is the ability of users to adopt new killer apps. This > eventually breaks down to issues of "how long is it reasonable for users > to fund that shiny telco network at $50/line/month" and things like that, > because rather than solving the problems, it appears that AU ISP's are > simply passing on costs, minimizing the services offered in order to keep > service prices as low as possible, and then sitting around justifying it. if only it was so easy. AU's infrastructure has a long been a quagmire of political fumbling and organised chaos. as mark keeps trying to point out the current state has nothing to do with the wants of the ISP industry. they all wish it was different too... > At a certain point, the deployment cost of your telco network is covered, > and it is no longer reasonable to be paying $50/line/month for mere access > to the copper. nice rhetoric. can you come and convince our politicians of that? cheers marty -- You need only two tools, WD-40 and duct tape. If it doesn't move and it should, use the WD-40. If it moves and shouldn't, use the tape.
