RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

[Alexander Hagen]

That's putting your money where your mouth is ! Yowzuh!

Alexander Hagen
Etheric Networks Incorporated, A California Corporation
527 Sixth Street No 371261
Montara CA 94037
Main Line: (650)-728-3375
Direct Line: (650) 728-3086
Cell: (650) 740-0650 (Does not work at our office in Montara)
Home: (Emgcy or weekends) 650-728-5820
fax: (650) 240-1750
http://www.etheric.net

-Original Message-
From: Rafi Sadowsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 8:57 PM
To: Alexander Hagen
Cc: 'North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes'
Subject: RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200
orother vendor ?


## On 2004-04-26 10:31 +0100 Stephen J. Wilcox typed:

SJW> On Sun, 25 Apr 2004, Alexander Hagen wrote:
SJW> 
SJW> > I was surprised by the similarities between the 7507 and 7513.
Why EOL
SJW> > the one device that has a pleasing form factor ? There are MANY
SJW> > providers who would be quite happy with ~ 600 mbps? That's a lot
of
SJW> > billings...
SJW> 
SJW> >From past experience there is no way you can get a 7507 to switch
600Mbps..
SJW> 

 I'm not sure who wrote the above line - but since the 7507 and 7513 are
basically the same(other than the number of slots) 
the (long)appended stats are from a 7513 that exceeds 600Mbps every day


Traffic aggregate MRTG stats (24 hours of 5 minute averages)

Max  In:718.5 Mb/s (44.4%)  Average  In:427.0
Mb/s
(26.4%) Current  In:426.4 Mb/s (26.4%)

Max  Out:   636.6 Mb/s (39.4%)  Average  Out:   382.9
Mb/s
(23.7%) Current  Out:   383.6 Mb/s (23.7%)

===  
C7513>sh hard
Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software
IOS (tm) RSP Software (RSP-K3PV-M), Version 12.0(19)S4, EARLY DEPLOYMENT
RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
TAC Support: http://www.cisco.com/tac
Copyright (c) 1986-2003 by cisco Systems, Inc.
Compiled Tue 24-Jun-03 15:04 by nmasa
Image text-base: 0x60010968, data-base: 0x60E66000

ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 12.0(10r)S1, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
BOOTLDR: RSP Software (RSP-K3PV-M), Version 12.0(19)S4, EARLY DEPLOYMENT
RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)

C7513 uptime is 32 weeks, 21 hours, 16 minutes
System returned to ROM by reload at 03:14:23 IDT Tue Sep 16 2003
System restarted at 02:15:58 IST Tue Sep 16 2003
System image file is "slot0:rsp-k3pv-mz.120-19.S4.bin"
Host configuration file is "tftp://CENSORED/XXX/C7513-confg";

cisco RSP8 (R7000) processor with 131072K/8216K bytes of memory.
R7000 CPU at 250Mhz, Implementation 39, Rev 1.0, 256KB L2, 2048KB L3
Cache
Last reset from power-on
G.703/E1 software, Version 1.0.
G.703/JT2 software, Version 1.0.
X.25 software, Version 3.0.0.
Chassis Interface.
1 VIP2 R5K controller (1 FastEthernet).
7 VIP4-80 RM7000 controllers (12 Serial)(5 ATM)(6 POS).
1 FastEthernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s)
12 Serial network interface(s)
5 ATM network interface(s)
6 Packet over SONET network interface(s)
2043K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.

20480K bytes of Flash PCMCIA card at slot 0 (Sector size 128K).
16384K bytes of Flash internal SIMM (Sector size 256K).
No slave installed in slot 7.
Configuration register is 0x102


C7513>sh proc cpu | exc 0\.00%__0
CPU utilization for five seconds: 0%/0%; one minute: 1%; five minutes:
1%
 PID Runtime(ms)   Invoked  uSecs   5Sec   1Min   5Min TTY Process
  4727767224 429797799 64  0.08%  0.09%  0.08%   0 IP Input

C7513>sh contr vip all t | inc ^(CPU|VIP)

VIP-Slot0 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes
CPU utilization for five seconds: 44%/43%; one minute: 43%; five
minutes: 42%
VIP-Slot1 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes
CPU utilization for five seconds: 1%/0%; one minute: 0%; five minutes:
0%
VIP-Slot2 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes
CPU utilization for five seconds: 46%/45%; one minute: 48%; five
minutes: 49%
VIP-Slot3 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes
CPU utilization for five seconds: 13%/12%; one minute: 13%; five
minutes: 13%
VIP-Slot8 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes
CPU utilization for five seconds: 60%/60%; one minute: 61%; five
minutes: 62%
VIP-Slot9 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes
CPU utilization for five seconds: 48%/48%; one minute: 49%; five
minutes: 49%
VIP-Slot10 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes
CPU utilization for five seconds: 4%/3%; one minute: 4%; five minutes:
4%
VIP-Slot11 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes
CPU utilization for five seconds: 14%/14%; one minute: 13%; five
minutes: 13%


C7513>
 sh int | 
  inc
(_rate_[1-9]|^[A-Z][A-Za-z]+[0-9]+/[0-9]+/[0-9]+_.*line_protocol_is_up)

ATM0/0/0 is up, line protocol is up
  30 second input rate 37934000 bits/sec, 10756 packets/sec
  30 second output rate 45111000 bits/sec, 12439 packets/sec
POS0/1/0 is up, line protocol is up
  5 minute input rate 1734 bits/sec, 4829 pa

RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

[Rafi Sadowsky]

## On 2004-04-26 10:31 +0100 Stephen J. Wilcox typed:

SJW> On Sun, 25 Apr 2004, Alexander Hagen wrote:
SJW> 
SJW> > I was surprised by the similarities between the 7507 and 7513. Why EOL
SJW> > the one device that has a pleasing form factor ? There are MANY
SJW> > providers who would be quite happy with ~ 600 mbps? That's a lot of
SJW> > billings...
SJW> 
SJW> >From past experience there is no way you can get a 7507 to switch 600Mbps..
SJW> 

 I'm not sure who wrote the above line - but since the 7507 and 7513 are
basically the same(other than the number of slots) 
the (long)appended stats are from a 7513 that exceeds 600Mbps every day


Traffic aggregate MRTG stats (24 hours of 5 minute averages)

Max  In:718.5 Mb/s (44.4%)  Average  In:427.0 Mb/s
(26.4%) Current  In:426.4 Mb/s (26.4%)

Max  Out:   636.6 Mb/s (39.4%)  Average  Out:   382.9 Mb/s
(23.7%) Current  Out:   383.6 Mb/s (23.7%)

===  
C7513>sh hard
Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software
IOS (tm) RSP Software (RSP-K3PV-M), Version 12.0(19)S4, EARLY DEPLOYMENT
RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
TAC Support: http://www.cisco.com/tac
Copyright (c) 1986-2003 by cisco Systems, Inc.
Compiled Tue 24-Jun-03 15:04 by nmasa
Image text-base: 0x60010968, data-base: 0x60E66000

ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 12.0(10r)S1, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
BOOTLDR: RSP Software (RSP-K3PV-M), Version 12.0(19)S4, EARLY DEPLOYMENT
RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)

C7513 uptime is 32 weeks, 21 hours, 16 minutes
System returned to ROM by reload at 03:14:23 IDT Tue Sep 16 2003
System restarted at 02:15:58 IST Tue Sep 16 2003
System image file is "slot0:rsp-k3pv-mz.120-19.S4.bin"
Host configuration file is "tftp://CENSORED/XXX/C7513-confg";

cisco RSP8 (R7000) processor with 131072K/8216K bytes of memory.
R7000 CPU at 250Mhz, Implementation 39, Rev 1.0, 256KB L2, 2048KB L3 Cache
Last reset from power-on
G.703/E1 software, Version 1.0.
G.703/JT2 software, Version 1.0.
X.25 software, Version 3.0.0.
Chassis Interface.
1 VIP2 R5K controller (1 FastEthernet).
7 VIP4-80 RM7000 controllers (12 Serial)(5 ATM)(6 POS).
1 FastEthernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s)
12 Serial network interface(s)
5 ATM network interface(s)
6 Packet over SONET network interface(s)
2043K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.

20480K bytes of Flash PCMCIA card at slot 0 (Sector size 128K).
16384K bytes of Flash internal SIMM (Sector size 256K).
No slave installed in slot 7.
Configuration register is 0x102


C7513>sh proc cpu | exc 0\.00%__0
CPU utilization for five seconds: 0%/0%; one minute: 1%; five minutes: 1%
 PID Runtime(ms)   Invoked  uSecs   5Sec   1Min   5Min TTY Process
  4727767224 429797799 64  0.08%  0.09%  0.08%   0 IP Input

C7513>sh contr vip all t | inc ^(CPU|VIP)

VIP-Slot0 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes
CPU utilization for five seconds: 44%/43%; one minute: 43%; five minutes: 42%
VIP-Slot1 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes
CPU utilization for five seconds: 1%/0%; one minute: 0%; five minutes: 0%
VIP-Slot2 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes
CPU utilization for five seconds: 46%/45%; one minute: 48%; five minutes: 49%
VIP-Slot3 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes
CPU utilization for five seconds: 13%/12%; one minute: 13%; five minutes: 13%
VIP-Slot8 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes
CPU utilization for five seconds: 60%/60%; one minute: 61%; five minutes: 62%
VIP-Slot9 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes
CPU utilization for five seconds: 48%/48%; one minute: 49%; five minutes: 49%
VIP-Slot10 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes
CPU utilization for five seconds: 4%/3%; one minute: 4%; five minutes: 4%
VIP-Slot11 uptime is 21 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 41 minutes
CPU utilization for five seconds: 14%/14%; one minute: 13%; five minutes: 13%


C7513>
 sh int | 
  inc (_rate_[1-9]|^[A-Z][A-Za-z]+[0-9]+/[0-9]+/[0-9]+_.*line_protocol_is_up)

ATM0/0/0 is up, line protocol is up
  30 second input rate 37934000 bits/sec, 10756 packets/sec
  30 second output rate 45111000 bits/sec, 12439 packets/sec
POS0/1/0 is up, line protocol is up
  5 minute input rate 1734 bits/sec, 4829 packets/sec
  5 minute output rate 59077000 bits/sec, 17200 packets/sec
FastEthernet1/1/0 is up, line protocol is up
ATM2/0/0 is up, line protocol is up
  30 second input rate 69443000 bits/sec, 21261 packets/sec
  30 second output rate 67462000 bits/sec, 17687 packets/sec
ATM2/1/0 is up, line protocol is up
  30 second input rate 20964000 bits/sec, 4081 packets/sec
  30 second output rate 1164 bits/sec, 3242 packets/sec
Serial3/0/0 is up, line protocol is up
  5 minute input rate 9625000 bits/sec, 2163 packets/sec
  5 minute output rate 9327000 bits/sec, 2131 packets/sec
Serial3/0/1 is up, line protocol is up
  5 minute input rate 9464000 bits/sec, 1927 packets/sec
  5 minute output rate 4633000 bits/sec, 1405 packets/sec
POS3/1/0 is up,

RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

[Stephen J. Wilcox]

On Sun, 25 Apr 2004, Alexander Hagen wrote:

> I was surprised by the similarities between the 7507 and 7513. Why EOL
> the one device that has a pleasing form factor ? There are MANY
> providers who would be quite happy with ~ 600 mbps? That's a lot of
> billings...

>From past experience there is no way you can get a 7507 to switch 600Mbps..

As for EOL, not sure.. the only deployments I've seen lately of 75xx have been 
as aggregators for WAN circuits and theres usually a GSR doing the work behind 
it, perhaps people are still buying 7513s for their card capacity?

Steve

> 
> Alexander Hagen
> Etheric Networks Incorporated, A California Corporation
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rafi Sadowsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 9:38 PM
> To: Alexander Hagen
> Cc: 'Rafi Sadowsky'; North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes
> Subject: RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200
> orother vendor ?
> 
> 
> Hi Alexander 
> 
>  I'm not sure what you're trying to say 
> You asked why the Cisco website tool won't give you a 7505 as a config
> option I replied that it's EOL - with a quote from Cisco website
> 
>  All I see in the HTML table you sent is that the 7507(or 7513) is
> better
> than a 7505 - is there a non-obvious point I missed ?
> 
> 
> 

Re: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

[Robert E. Seastrom]

"Stephen J. Wilcox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On 26 Apr 2004, Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
> 
> > Aside from that, though...  the guts were pretty darned similar, probably
> > identical.  I've certainly swapped boards between [AT]GS systems with impunity
> > (we weren't worried about maintaining our certification!).
> > 
> > Yours for router necromancy and GS2-R...
> 
> Having seen the Juniper router which has PICs sawn down the middle of the PCBs
> to fit and homemade faceplates, nothing much surprises me.. :)

I will have you know that I had nothing to do with *that* escapade,
except as an ex-post-facto amused observer.

---Rob

Re: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

[Stephen J. Wilcox]

On 26 Apr 2004, Robert E. Seastrom wrote:

> Aside from that, though...  the guts were pretty darned similar, probably
> identical.  I've certainly swapped boards between [AT]GS systems with impunity
> (we weren't worried about maintaining our certification!).
> 
> Yours for router necromancy and GS2-R...

Having seen the Juniper router which has PICs sawn down the middle of the PCBs
to fit and homemade faceplates, nothing much surprises me.. :)

Steve

Re: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

[Robert E. Seastrom]

Petri Helenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
> 
> > The AGS+ was manufactured in small quantities for many years after
> >
> >commercial sales for all intents and purposes ceased, to support these
> >same customers.
> 
> How much common components / manufacturing did TGS share with AGS?

Certainly not the bent steel (those TGSes were an instant hernia in a
box!), and I think the appliques were actually different assemblies,
not just funky passthroughs.  And of course, power line filtering was
different on the TGS.

Aside from that, though...  the guts were pretty darned similar,
probably identical.  I've certainly swapped boards between [AT]GS
systems with impunity (we weren't worried about maintaining our
certification!).

Yours for router necromancy and GS2-R...

---Rob

Re: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

[Petri Helenius]

Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
The AGS+ was manufactured in small quantities for many years after
commercial sales for all intents and purposes ceased, to support these
same customers.
  

How much common components / manufacturing did TGS share with AGS?
Pete

Re: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

[Robert E. Seastrom]

"Alexander Hagen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I was surprised by the similarities between the 7507 and 7513. Why EOL
> the one device that has a pleasing form factor ? There are MANY
> providers who would be quite happy with ~ 600 mbps? That's a lot of
> billings...

I think there are long-term contracts with certain Big Customers (tm)
that preclude EOLing the 7507 and the 7513, else they would be EOL as
well.  Just a guess though.

The AGS+ was manufactured in small quantities for many years after
commercial sales for all intents and purposes ceased, to support these
same customers.

---Rob

RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

[Alexander Hagen]

I was surprised by the similarities between the 7507 and 7513. Why EOL
the one device that has a pleasing form factor ? There are MANY
providers who would be quite happy with ~ 600 mbps? That's a lot of
billings...

Alexander Hagen
Etheric Networks Incorporated, A California Corporation
 

-Original Message-
From: Rafi Sadowsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 9:38 PM
To: Alexander Hagen
Cc: 'Rafi Sadowsky'; North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes
Subject: RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200
orother vendor ?


Hi Alexander 

 I'm not sure what you're trying to say 
You asked why the Cisco website tool won't give you a 7505 as a config
option I replied that it's EOL - with a quote from Cisco website

 All I see in the HTML table you sent is that the 7507(or 7513) is
better
than a 7505 - is there a non-obvious point I missed ?


-- 
Regards
Rafi


## On 2004-04-25 06:33 -0700 Alexander Hagen typed:

AH> 
AH> Specifications
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Feature 
AH> 
AH> Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> Cisco 7507 
AH> 
AH> Cisco 7513 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Fixed Ports 
AH> 
AH> None 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Expansion Slots 
AH> 
AH> 5 
AH> 
AH> 7 
AH> 
AH> 13 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> WAN Interface Range 
AH> 
AH> DS0 to OC-12 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Processor 
AH> 
AH> MIPS RISC Processor 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Forwarding Rate 
AH> 
AH> Up to 1.1 Mpps 
AH> 
AH> Up to 2.2 Mpps 
AH> 
AH> Up to 2.2 Mpps 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Backplane Capacity 
AH> 
AH> 1 Gbps 
AH> 
AH> 2 Gbps 
AH> 
AH> 2 Gbps 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Flash PCMCIA Memory 
AH> 
AH> 16MB (expandable to 128MB) 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> System DRAM Memory 
AH> 
AH> 32MB (expandable to 1GB) 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Minimum Cisco IOS Release 
AH> 
AH> 11.3 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Internal Power Supply 
AH> 
AH> AC or DC 
AH> 
AH> AC, dual AC/DC, or dual DC 
AH> 
AH> AC, dual AC/DC, or dual DC 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Redundant Power Supply Support 
AH> 
AH> No 
AH> 
AH> Yes 
AH> 
AH> Yes 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Chassis Size 
AH> 
AH> 6 RU 
AH> 
AH> 13 RU 
AH> 
AH> 20 RU 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Rack Mountable 
AH> 
AH> Yes, up to 6 per rack 
AH> 
AH> Yes, up to 3 per rack 
AH> 
AH> Yes, up to 2 per rack 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Dimensions (HxWxD) 
AH> 
AH> 10.5 x 17.5 x 17 in. 
AH> 
AH> 19.25 x 17.5 x 25 in. 
AH> 
AH> 33.75 x 17.5 x 22 in. 
AH> 
AH>  
AH> 
AH>  
AH> 
AH> Alexander Hagen
AH> 
AH> Etheric Networks Incorporated, A California Corporation
AH> 
AH> 527 Sixth Street No 371261
AH> 
AH> Montara CA 94037
AH> 
AH> Main Line: (650)-728-3375
AH> 
AH> Direct Line: (650) 728-3086
AH> 
AH> Cell: (650) 740-0650 (Does not work at our office in Montara)
AH> 
AH> Home: (Emgcy or weekends) 650-728-5820
AH> 
AH> fax: (650) 240-1750
AH> 
AH> http://www.etheric.net
AH> 
AH>  
AH> 
AH> -Original Message-
AH> From: Rafi Sadowsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
AH> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:25 PM
AH> To: Alexander Hagen
AH> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AH> Subject: RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500
7200
AH> orother vendor ?
AH> 
AH>  
AH> 
AH>  
AH> 
AH>  
AH> 
AH> ## On 2004-04-25 06:06 -0700 Alexander Hagen typed:
AH> 
AH>  
AH> 
AH> AH> 
AH> 
AH> AH> It is a great box. But I need BGP. I notice Cisco does not
support
AH> 7505
AH> 
AH> AH> with Software Advisor but does 7507 whats the deal with that ?
AH> 
AH>  
AH> 
AH>  That would probably be that the 7505 is EOL(End Of Life)
AH> 
AH>  
AH> 
AH>
<http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps359/prod_eol_notice091
AH> 86a00801dcba7.html>
AH> 
AH>  
AH> 
AH>  Cisco SystemsR announces the end of life of the CiscoR 7505 Series
AH> Router
AH> 
AH> chassis. Note: This end-of-life announcement does not affect the
Cisco
AH> 
AH> 7507 and 7513 chassis. The Cisco 7507 and 7513 will remain
orderable.
AH> The
AH> 
AH> last day to order the Cisco 7505 is June 30, 2004. Customers will
AH> continue
AH> 
AH> to receive support from the Cisco Technical Assistance Center (TAC)
AH> until
AH> 
AH> June 30, 2009. Table 1 describes the end-of-life milestones,
AH> definitions,
AH> 
AH> and dates for the Cisco 7505. Table 2 lists the part numbers for
AH> affected
AH> 
AH> products
AH> 
AH>  
AH> 
AH> 
AH> 
AH>  
AH> 
AH> 

RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

[Rafi Sadowsky]

Hi Alexander 

 I'm not sure what you're trying to say 
You asked why the Cisco website tool won't give you a 7505 as a config
option I replied that it's EOL - with a quote from Cisco website

 All I see in the HTML table you sent is that the 7507(or 7513) is better
than a 7505 - is there a non-obvious point I missed ?


-- 
Regards
Rafi


## On 2004-04-25 06:33 -0700 Alexander Hagen typed:

AH> 
AH> Specifications
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Feature 
AH> 
AH> Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> Cisco 7507 
AH> 
AH> Cisco 7513 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Fixed Ports 
AH> 
AH> None 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Expansion Slots 
AH> 
AH> 5 
AH> 
AH> 7 
AH> 
AH> 13 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> WAN Interface Range 
AH> 
AH> DS0 to OC-12 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Processor 
AH> 
AH> MIPS RISC Processor 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Forwarding Rate 
AH> 
AH> Up to 1.1 Mpps 
AH> 
AH> Up to 2.2 Mpps 
AH> 
AH> Up to 2.2 Mpps 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Backplane Capacity 
AH> 
AH> 1 Gbps 
AH> 
AH> 2 Gbps 
AH> 
AH> 2 Gbps 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Flash PCMCIA Memory 
AH> 
AH> 16MB (expandable to 128MB) 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> System DRAM Memory 
AH> 
AH> 32MB (expandable to 1GB) 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Minimum Cisco IOS Release 
AH> 
AH> 11.3 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> Same as Cisco 7505 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Internal Power Supply 
AH> 
AH> AC or DC 
AH> 
AH> AC, dual AC/DC, or dual DC 
AH> 
AH> AC, dual AC/DC, or dual DC 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Redundant Power Supply Support 
AH> 
AH> No 
AH> 
AH> Yes 
AH> 
AH> Yes 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Chassis Size 
AH> 
AH> 6 RU 
AH> 
AH> 13 RU 
AH> 
AH> 20 RU 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Rack Mountable 
AH> 
AH> Yes, up to 6 per rack 
AH> 
AH> Yes, up to 3 per rack 
AH> 
AH> Yes, up to 2 per rack 
AH> 
AH> 
AH> Dimensions (HxWxD) 
AH> 
AH> 10.5 x 17.5 x 17 in. 
AH> 
AH> 19.25 x 17.5 x 25 in. 
AH> 
AH> 33.75 x 17.5 x 22 in. 
AH> 
AH>  
AH> 
AH>  
AH> 
AH> Alexander Hagen
AH> 
AH> Etheric Networks Incorporated, A California Corporation
AH> 
AH> 527 Sixth Street No 371261
AH> 
AH> Montara CA 94037
AH> 
AH> Main Line: (650)-728-3375
AH> 
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AH> 
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AH> -Original Message-
AH> From: Rafi Sadowsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
AH> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:25 PM
AH> To: Alexander Hagen
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AH> Subject: RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200
AH> orother vendor ?
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AH> 7505
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AH> 
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AH> last day to order the Cisco 7505 is June 30, 2004. Customers will
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AH> to receive support from the Cisco Technical Assistance Center (TAC)
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AH> June 30, 2009. Table 1 describes the end-of-life milestones,
AH> definitions,
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RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

[Alexander Hagen]

Specifications


 
  
  Feature 
  
  
  Cisco 7505 
  
  
  Cisco 7507 
  
  
  Cisco 7513 
  
 
 
  
  Fixed Ports 
  
  
  None 
  
  
  Same as Cisco 7505 
  
  
  Same as Cisco 7505 
  
 
 
  
  Expansion Slots 
  
  
  5 
  
  
  7 
  
  
  13 
  
 
 
  
  WAN Interface Range 
  
  
  DS0 to OC-12 
  
  
  Same as Cisco 7505 
  
  
  Same as Cisco 7505 
  
 
 
  
  Processor 
  
  
  MIPS RISC Processor 
  
  
  Same as Cisco 7505 
  
  
  Same as Cisco 7505 
  
 
 
  
  Forwarding Rate 
  
  
  Up to 1.1 Mpps 
  
  
  Up to 2.2 Mpps 
  
  
  Up to 2.2 Mpps 
  
 
 
  
  Backplane Capacity 
  
  
  1 Gbps 
  
  
  2 Gbps 
  
  
  2 Gbps 
  
 
 
  
  Flash PCMCIA Memory 
  
  
  16MB (expandable to
  128MB) 
  
  
  Same as Cisco 7505 
  
  
  Same as Cisco 7505 
  
 
 
  
  System DRAM Memory 
  
  
  32MB (expandable to
  1GB) 
  
  
  Same as Cisco 7505 
  
  
  Same as Cisco 7505 
  
 
 
  
  Minimum Cisco IOS
  Release 
  
  
  11.3 
  
  
  Same as Cisco 7505 
  
  
  Same as Cisco 7505 
  
 
 
  
  Internal Power Supply
  
  
  
  AC or DC 
  
  
  AC, dual AC/DC, or
  dual DC 
  
  
  AC, dual AC/DC, or
  dual DC 
  
 
 
  
  Redundant Power
  Supply Support 
  
  
  No 
  
  
  Yes 
  
  
  Yes 
  
 
 
  
  Chassis Size 
  
  
  6 RU 
  
  
  13 RU 
  
  
  20 RU 
  
 
 
  
  Rack Mountable 
  
  
  Yes, up to 6 per rack
  
  
  
  Yes, up to 3 per rack
  
  
  
  Yes, up to 2 per rack
  
  
 
 
  
  Dimensions (HxWxD) 
  
  
  10.5 x 17.5 x 17 in. 
  
  
  19.25 x 17.5 x 25 in.
  
  
  
  33.75 x 17.5 x 22 in.
  
  
 


 

 

Alexander Hagen

Etheric Networks Incorporated, A California Corporation

527 Sixth Street No 371261

Montara CA 94037

Main Line: (650)-728-3375

Direct Line: (650) 728-3086

Cell: (650) 740-0650 (Does not work at our office in Montara)

Home: (Emgcy or weekends) 650-728-5820

fax: (650) 240-1750

http://www.etheric.net

 

-Original Message-
From: Rafi Sadowsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:25 PM
To: Alexander Hagen
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200
orother vendor ?

 

 

 

## On 2004-04-25 06:06 -0700 Alexander Hagen typed:

 

AH> 

AH> It is a great box. But I need BGP. I notice Cisco does not
support 7505

AH> with Software Advisor but does 7507 whats the deal with that ?

 

 That would probably be that the 7505 is EOL(End Of Life)

 



 

 Cisco Systems® announces the end of life of the Cisco® 7505 Series
Router

chassis. Note: This end-of-life announcement does not affect the Cisco

7507 and 7513 chassis. The Cisco 7507 and 7513 will remain orderable.
The

last day to order the Cisco 7505 is June 30, 2004. Customers will continue

to receive support from the Cisco Technical Assistance Center (TAC)
until

June 30, 2009. Table 1 describes the end-of-life
milestones, definitions,

and dates for the Cisco 7505. Table 2 lists the part numbers for
affected

products

 



 

-- 

HTH,

  Rafi

RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

[Rafi Sadowsky]

## On 2004-04-25 06:06 -0700 Alexander Hagen typed:

AH> 
AH> It is a great box. But I need BGP. I notice Cisco does not support 7505
AH> with Software Advisor but does 7507 whats the deal with that ?

 That would probably be that the 7505 is EOL(End Of Life)



 Cisco Systems® announces the end of life of the Cisco® 7505 Series Router
chassis. Note: This end-of-life announcement does not affect the Cisco
7507 and 7513 chassis. The Cisco 7507 and 7513 will remain orderable. The
last day to order the Cisco 7505 is June 30, 2004. Customers will continue
to receive support from the Cisco Technical Assistance Center (TAC) until
June 30, 2009. Table 1 describes the end-of-life milestones, definitions,
and dates for the Cisco 7505. Table 2 lists the part numbers for affected
products



-- 
HTH,
Rafi

RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

[Alexander Hagen]

It is a great box. But I need BGP. I notice Cisco does not support 7505
with Software Advisor but does 7507 whats the deal with that ?

Alexander Hagen
Etheric Networks Incorporated, A California Corporation
527 Sixth Street No 371261
Montara CA 94037
Main Line: (650)-728-3375
Direct Line: (650) 728-3086
Cell: (650) 740-0650 (Does not work at our office in Montara)
Home: (Emgcy or weekends) 650-728-5820
fax: (650) 240-1750
http://www.etheric.net

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 6:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200
orother vendor ?

> Yes. I've been looking at it and a 7505 with a 3550 behind it seems
the
> way to go for our type of operation. 
> 
> As a cost cutting alternative - has anyone played with the 2900 XL
> series using sub interfaces to turn them into virtual router ports ?
or
> vlan groups ?
> Is it better to just buy a 3550 ?

If you're only doing basic Ethernet-Ethernet routing, and don't need
a full routing table, it's quite possible that the 3550 will perform
better than either the 6000/Sup1A or the 7505. You might also consider
a 3750, which handles a large number of SVIs better than the 3550.

(Yes, I'm seriously suggesting using the 3550 or 3750 alone.)

Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

[sthaug]

> Yes. I've been looking at it and a 7505 with a 3550 behind it seems the
> way to go for our type of operation. 
> 
> As a cost cutting alternative - has anyone played with the 2900 XL
> series using sub interfaces to turn them into virtual router ports ? or
> vlan groups ?
> Is it better to just buy a 3550 ?

If you're only doing basic Ethernet-Ethernet routing, and don't need
a full routing table, it's quite possible that the 3550 will perform
better than either the 6000/Sup1A or the 7505. You might also consider
a 3750, which handles a large number of SVIs better than the 3550.

(Yes, I'm seriously suggesting using the 3550 or 3750 alone.)

Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Cisco Router best for full BGP on a sub 5K bidget 7500 7200 orother vendor ?

[sthaug]

> > I bought a Riverstone Rs-3000 for BGP with a single upstream provider.
> > Great Deal.  
> 
> Yeah, it might be a Great Deal (tm), but you're in for some surprises. 
> I've seen an RS-8600 (with CM3 and 512MB on board) nearly melt under 
> 13Mbps of Nachi, to the point that I had to set the CM failover 
> keepalive timer to >30 seconds.

This should come as no surprise - the Riverstone boxes are flow-based.

Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, [EMAIL PROTECTED]