Re: UK, NL, & Asia LTE Providers for Opengear Console Servers

[Tom Hill]

On 01/08/2019 03:19, Mehmet Akcin wrote:
> Google Fi

Are you suggesting Fi because of:

"When outside the United States, cellular phone calls cost $0.20 per
minute, data costs the same $10 per gigabyte (i.e. there are no extra
data charges outside of the US), and texting is free."

Ergo, relative to the countries stated, permanently roaming?

I'd love to know if you've found that reliable - it seems too good to be
true.

-- 
Tom

Re: UK, NL, & Asia LTE Providers for Opengear Console Servers

[Matt Corallo]

When using a data-only Fi SIM (which are free if you have an account, just pay 
the bandwidth), they always just act as a T-Mobile US MVNO and route back 
through the US. Still, latency aside, I've found it incredibly reliable (plus 
in many countries you can pick from multiple networks).

If you have an Android phone it may switch to 3UK/Hutch's global network, 
though I have less experience with that.

Matt

> On Aug 1, 2019, at 03:55, Tom Hill  wrote:
> 
>> On 01/08/2019 03:19, Mehmet Akcin wrote:
>> Google Fi
> 
> Are you suggesting Fi because of:
> 
> "When outside the United States, cellular phone calls cost $0.20 per
> minute, data costs the same $10 per gigabyte (i.e. there are no extra
> data charges outside of the US), and texting is free."
> 
> Ergo, relative to the countries stated, permanently roaming?
> 
> I'd love to know if you've found that reliable - it seems too good to be
> true.
> 
> -- 
> Tom

RE: Estimated LTE Data Utilization in Failover Scenario

[Kenny Taylor]

We did some testing with VZ and Sprint earlier this year.  Sprint provided 
rates around 20-25 mbit down and 2-3 mbit up *if* it was an area with decent 
coverage and the connection was on band 41.  Much lower rates on band 25/26.  
We noticed that their regular unlimited hotspot plans perform well up until the 
50 GB mark.  The evening after we'd hit the 50 GB mark, throttling kicked in 
and pinned the connection down to about 128 kbit, regardless of cellular 
network congestion.  VZ seems to throttle the connections after hitting the 25 
GB mark, but it's gradual and appears to be more deprioritization than shaping.

We tried VZ in a couple of rural areas and quickly discovered that there wasn't 
enough bandwidth to those particular towers.  We could pull 20 mbit down 
regularly around 6:00 am, then by lunch time we'd get less than 1 mbt down.  We 
deployed an ISR router with LTE NIM and a linux box running iperf hourly to do 
that testing.  Don't base your rate estimate on afterhours testing, and I'd 
echo the other comments that the cellular network will get slammed during an 
outage/disaster scenario and will undershoot your estimates.

Worth noting, I can pull 45-60 mbit on my T-Mobile phone all day long.  Does 
anyone have experience using T-Mobile plans for LTE backup?

Kenny

-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Paul Amaral via NANOG
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 9:54 AM
To: 'Shaun Dombrosky' ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Estimated LTE Data Utilization in Failover Scenario

In my experience with LTE is that it's never enough. We have bank branches with 
20Mbs metro lines and on rare occasion when that circuit drops 4G LTE will 
provide you with 10mbs at best also note that latency is much higher which can 
mess with ipsec/VOIP etc. I don't think you can pick how much bandwidth you 
will get with 4G LTE. From the testing I have done with VZ 4G I get 10mbs down 
and 2/3 up with a -65 RSSI. It's still better to have LTE for a backup then not 
to have it. 

I have used cradlepoint and now switched to cisco ISR . I find the 
crandlepoint to be not as reliable as the cisco ISR. The cradlepoint will get 
extremely hot, go down for no reason and has poor signal compared to the ISR 
 with LTE.  I would stay away from the cradlepoint and find a Cisco LTE 
solution. 

Again like I said a backup of any kind even if not sufficient in bandwidth is 
better than nothing.



Paul

From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Shaun Dombrosky
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 12:06 PM
To: 'nanog@nanog.org' 
Subject: Estimated LTE Data Utilization in Failover Scenario

Good Morning,

First time NANOG poster, apologies if I breach etiquette.

Does anyone have any first-hand data on how much data a small-medium business 
(SMB) can expect to consume in a failover scenario over a 4G/LTE connection?  
Retail, under 50 head count, using PoS, maybe cloud accounting software, 
general internet activity, 8 hour time period.  Wonder if anyone is using a 
Cradlepoint or SD-WAN solution that could pull a few quick numbers from a 
dashboard for me.  I haven't had much luck in my searches.

Appreciate any info anyone can provide.

Thanks,

Shaun Dombrosky
Data Network Engineer



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Help needed configure a server

[peter agakpe]

I am a newbie trying to configure and put a home server online as starter 
project.  with some help. Specifically, dns server specifics, port forwarding, 
recommended hardware and software, such as router, dns server, security, etc. I 
would greatly appreciate any help.

Thanks
Peter

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Re: UK, NL, & Asia LTE Providers for Opengear Console Servers

[Nick Olsen]

I've got a line on my Fi account that almost exclusively roams in the UK.
Only been on-net in the US a few times and they've never complained about
excessive roaming.

It roams on 3UK. And works fine. Albeit the LTE deployment isn't near as
wide there as it is in the US. And you end up on HSDPA pretty frequently.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:04 AM Matt Corallo  wrote:

> When using a data-only Fi SIM (which are free if you have an account, just
> pay the bandwidth), they always just act as a T-Mobile US MVNO and route
> back through the US. Still, latency aside, I've found it incredibly
> reliable (plus in many countries you can pick from multiple networks).
>
> If you have an Android phone it may switch to 3UK/Hutch's global network,
> though I have less experience with that.
>
> Matt
>
> > On Aug 1, 2019, at 03:55, Tom Hill  wrote:
> >
> >> On 01/08/2019 03:19, Mehmet Akcin wrote:
> >> Google Fi
> >
> > Are you suggesting Fi because of:
> >
> > "When outside the United States, cellular phone calls cost $0.20 per
> > minute, data costs the same $10 per gigabyte (i.e. there are no extra
> > data charges outside of the US), and texting is free."
> >
> > Ergo, relative to the countries stated, permanently roaming?
> >
> > I'd love to know if you've found that reliable - it seems too good to be
> > true.
> >
> > --
> > Tom
>
>

Re: Help needed configure a server

[Matt Harris]

Hi Peter,
I might suggest that you start at the beginning, perhaps with google or
some classes - either something in person, or maybe just some introductory
videos online that discuss entry level IT topics.

As far as recommended hardware, a raspberry pi may be a quick, inexpensive
way to get started.

Good luck!


On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 12:48 PM peter agakpe  wrote:

> I am a newbie trying to configure and put a home server online as starter
> project.  with some help. Specifically, dns server specifics, port
> forwarding, recommended hardware and software, such as router, dns server,
> security, etc. I would greatly appreciate any help.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>


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Re: Help needed configure a server

[Ross Tajvar]

Peter,

You might want to check out reddit, specifically r/homelab. That subreddit
has a lot of good resources for the type of stuff you've described (check
the wiki).

This mailing list is more aimed at enterprise-level networking, so probably
not the best place to ask these kind of questions.

Best,
Ross

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 1:57 PM Matt Harris  wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> I might suggest that you start at the beginning, perhaps with google or
> some classes - either something in person, or maybe just some introductory
> videos online that discuss entry level IT topics.
>
> As far as recommended hardware, a raspberry pi may be a quick, inexpensive
> way to get started.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 12:48 PM peter agakpe  wrote:
>
>> I am a newbie trying to configure and put a home server online as starter
>> project.  with some help. Specifically, dns server specifics, port
>> forwarding, recommended hardware and software, such as router, dns server,
>> security, etc. I would greatly appreciate any help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail  for
>> Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Matt Harris - Chief Security Officer
> Security, Compliance, and Engineering
> Main: +1-816-256-5446
> Mobile: +1-908-590-9472
> Email: m...@netfire.net
>

Re: UK, NL, & Asia LTE Providers for Opengear Console Servers

[Fearghas Mckay]

Tom

> On 1 Aug 2019, at 03:55, Tom Hill  wrote:
> 
> Are you suggesting Fi because of:
> 
> "When outside the United States, cellular phone calls cost $0.20 per
> minute, data costs the same $10 per gigabyte (i.e. there are no extra
> data charges outside of the US), and texting is free."
> 
> Ergo, relative to the countries stated, permanently roaming?
> 
> I'd love to know if you've found that reliable - it seems too good to be
> true.

That is is how I use Fi and it just works - the only place it didn’t was Beirut.

You used to be able to have 9 sims on the account but they have just reduced it 
to 4 for new accounts and those who were not already using more than 4. If you 
had more than 4 they are grandfathered in. 

f

RE: Estimated LTE Data Utilization in Failover Scenario

[Paul Amaral via NANOG]

To clarify, the test was done around 1PM and was simple speed test, probably
could have gotten more throughput at the end of the day but these are used
as backups and if the primary connection goes down, I don’t have the luxury
to pick when that happens. I mainly used these as backups and I make sure
the customer knows that this is a temporary solution, the speed/latency will
not be as good as the primary connection. If the customer understands this,
then 4G LTE is a great solution especially for a backup. It's also great for
getting branches up ASAP while waiting for fiber etc.  I haven't tried
T-mobile LTE but that seems really high.  

Paul

-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Kenny Taylor
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 10:23 AM
To: nanog list 
Subject: RE: Estimated LTE Data Utilization in Failover Scenario

We did some testing with VZ and Sprint earlier this year.  Sprint provided
rates around 20-25 mbit down and 2-3 mbit up *if* it was an area with decent
coverage and the connection was on band 41.  Much lower rates on band 25/26.
We noticed that their regular unlimited hotspot plans perform well up until
the 50 GB mark.  The evening after we'd hit the 50 GB mark, throttling
kicked in and pinned the connection down to about 128 kbit, regardless of
cellular network congestion.  VZ seems to throttle the connections after
hitting the 25 GB mark, but it's gradual and appears to be more
deprioritization than shaping.

We tried VZ in a couple of rural areas and quickly discovered that there
wasn't enough bandwidth to those particular towers.  We could pull 20 mbit
down regularly around 6:00 am, then by lunch time we'd get less than 1 mbt
down.  We deployed an ISR router with LTE NIM and a linux box running iperf
hourly to do that testing.  Don't base your rate estimate on afterhours
testing, and I'd echo the other comments that the cellular network will get
slammed during an outage/disaster scenario and will undershoot your
estimates.

Worth noting, I can pull 45-60 mbit on my T-Mobile phone all day long.  Does
anyone have experience using T-Mobile plans for LTE backup?

Kenny

-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Paul Amaral via NANOG
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 9:54 AM
To: 'Shaun Dombrosky' ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Estimated LTE Data Utilization in Failover Scenario

In my experience with LTE is that it's never enough. We have bank branches
with 20Mbs metro lines and on rare occasion when that circuit drops 4G LTE
will provide you with 10mbs at best also note that latency is much higher
which can mess with ipsec/VOIP etc. I don't think you can pick how much
bandwidth you will get with 4G LTE. From the testing I have done with VZ 4G
I get 10mbs down and 2/3 up with a -65 RSSI. It's still better to have LTE
for a backup then not to have it. 

I have used cradlepoint and now switched to cisco ISR . I find the
crandlepoint to be not as reliable as the cisco ISR. The cradlepoint will
get extremely hot, go down for no reason and has poor signal compared to the
ISR  with LTE.  I would stay away from the cradlepoint and find a Cisco
LTE solution. 

Again like I said a backup of any kind even if not sufficient in bandwidth
is better than nothing.



Paul

From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Shaun Dombrosky
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 12:06 PM
To: 'nanog@nanog.org' 
Subject: Estimated LTE Data Utilization in Failover Scenario

Good Morning,

First time NANOG poster, apologies if I breach etiquette.

Does anyone have any first-hand data on how much data a small-medium
business (SMB) can expect to consume in a failover scenario over a 4G/LTE
connection?  Retail, under 50 head count, using PoS, maybe cloud accounting
software, general internet activity, 8 hour time period.  Wonder if anyone
is using a Cradlepoint or SD-WAN solution that could pull a few quick
numbers from a dashboard for me.  I haven't had much luck in my searches.

Appreciate any info anyone can provide.

Thanks,

Shaun Dombrosky
Data Network Engineer



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Re: UK, NL, & Asia LTE Providers for Opengear Console Servers

[Andy Sparrow]

According to
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/7/12/12159210/google-project-fi-three-network-international-roaming-speed
,
Project/Google Fi added 3/Hutchinson as a native carrier in the UK in the
same way that Sprint/T-Mob/US Cellular networks provide service in the US.

One of Hutch's subsidiaries probably provides service almost everywhere in
the world (except, oddly, Mexico, last I looked). But whether there's a
Google/Hutch tie-in in that market another matter. A Fi data SIM should
work in any Google-supported market though. Checking the bands used by the
local markets (and/or the prospective device) might be a good idea.

Think I've had Fi for 4 years now. Stepping off the plane and your phone
Just Works is kind of magical.

You can only activate a voice SIM in a Fi-supported phone - but the SIM
will work if transferred to another phone once activated, you just may have
fewer radios & lose functionality (like transparent in-call handoff between
multiple carriers).


On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:03 AM Matt Corallo  wrote:

> When using a data-only Fi SIM (which are free if you have an account, just
> pay the bandwidth), they always just act as a T-Mobile US MVNO and route
> back through the US. Still, latency aside, I've found it incredibly
> reliable (plus in many countries you can pick from multiple networks).
>
> If you have an Android phone it may switch to 3UK/Hutch's global network,
> though I have less experience with that.
>
> Matt
>
> > On Aug 1, 2019, at 03:55, Tom Hill  wrote:
> >
> >> On 01/08/2019 03:19, Mehmet Akcin wrote:
> >> Google Fi
> >
> > Are you suggesting Fi because of:
> >
> > "When outside the United States, cellular phone calls cost $0.20 per
> > minute, data costs the same $10 per gigabyte (i.e. there are no extra
> > data charges outside of the US), and texting is free."
> >
> > Ergo, relative to the countries stated, permanently roaming?
> >
> > I'd love to know if you've found that reliable - it seems too good to be
> > true.
> >
> > --
> > Tom
>
>

Re: Help needed configure a server

[Tim Nelson]

Everything you want to know and more can be found on
https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab



--Tim

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 12:49 PM peter agakpe  wrote:

> I am a newbie trying to configure and put a home server online as starter
> project.  with some help. Specifically, dns server specifics, port
> forwarding, recommended hardware and software, such as router, dns server,
> security, etc. I would greatly appreciate any help.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>

Phoenix IX down/gone?

[Peter Kranz via NANOG]

Anyone know what happened to Phoenix IX? https://peeringdb.com/ix/66
They seem off the air including website and phones.. permanently?

-PeterK@32354

RE: Phoenix IX down/gone?

[Peter Kranz via NANOG]

Corrected URL:
https://peeringdb.com/ix/662

-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via NANOG
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 2:35 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Phoenix IX down/gone?

Anyone know what happened to Phoenix IX? https://peeringdb.com/ix/66 They
seem off the air including website and phones.. permanently?

-PeterK@32354

Re: Phoenix IX down/gone?

[Brandon Wade via NANOG]

>> Corrected URL:
>> https://peeringdb.com/ix/662
>> 
>> Anyone know what happened to Phoenix IX? https://peeringdb.com/ix/66 They
>> seem off the air including website and phones.. permanently?
>> 
>> -PeterK at 32354We (AS53767) are passing traffic on Phoenix IX. The person 
>> who operates the exchange (Paul Emmons) is frequently traveling for 
>> business. I suspect something is simply wrong with the website. 
I'll reach out to him through a private channel and make sure he's aware the 
website is down.
Best regards,Brandon WadeiCastCenter.com / AS53767

Looking glass software

[Mehmet Akcin]

hey there,

I am looking for a public looking glass software that is used by many.
Github has way too many dead projects (or projects that seem like dead) and
appreciates community feedback on what's the best out there.

my goals are to be able to provide, ping/ping6, traceroute/traceroute6, and
route views.

Mehmet

Re: Looking glass software

[Martijn Schmidt via NANOG]

We are using https://github.com/respawner/looking-glass which is doing the job 
nicely and is actively developed.

Best regards,
Martijn

From: NANOG  on behalf of Mehmet Akcin 

Sent: 02 August 2019 04:49:45
To: nanog 
Subject: Looking glass software

hey there,

I am looking for a public looking glass software that is used by many. Github 
has way too many dead projects (or projects that seem like dead) and 
appreciates community feedback on what's the best out there.

my goals are to be able to provide, ping/ping6, traceroute/traceroute6, and 
route views.

Mehmet