RE: Cisco hardware question
Don't deploy the equipment, demand a refund, and report the reseller to Cisco. I agree completely with Brian - find a good Cisco partner and stick with them. Also, you can't legally buy used Cisco equipment and use the operating system. You can buy the equipment but the OS is absolutely non-transferrable. If you try to get SMARTNet on it red flags will go up and Cisco won't support it. Thanks, Matt Matt Adcock, Manager 334-481-6629 (w) / 334-312-5393 (m) / madc...@hisna.com 700 Hyundai Blvd. / Montgomery, AL 36105 P The average office worker uses 10,000 sheets of paper = 1.2 trees, per year By not printing this email, you’ve saved paper, ink and millions of trees From: Brian Feeny [mailto:bfe...@mac.com] Sent: Thu 3/4/2010 3:05 PM To: Kaveh . Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cisco hardware question If you are getting Cisco hardware with configs on it or crashfiles, etc. Then no it is NOT new equipment. Who are you buying from? Are they a Gold partner on Cisco's partner locator? If not, then I have seen some seedy things, and of course i have seen seedy things with Gold partners too, I am just pointing out that the ability to compete and make margin get more and more difficult the lower the partner is on the totem pole and so desperation can drive certain behavior. In general from a cisco Gold partner you can expect as good as 35-40% or so on new equipment for a discount for regular deals. Special pricing for special projects you may be able to get a bit better, and maybe 1% or so better for general products from CDW or a big box company like them. If you are paying 50-60% off list for just individual items you order, then its likely not new and there is likely something shady going on, as no partner is going to get you some special discount pricing on a single 3845 for example. All of your good gold partners are going to charge around the same give or take a few percent on material. So find someone you can trust and just build a relationship. If your paying new prices for used gear then yes you are getting ripped off. I would be glad to recommend to you a reputable gold partner if you email me off list. Brian On Mar 4, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Kaveh . wrote: > > Hello, > > I apologize if this is an unusual topic but I would like to know what this > expert community thinks about this issue: > > We have noticed that a number of Cisco appliances we have recently purchased > and paid (AS NEW), are being shipped as if they have been already > used/refurbished. In other words, several times we have seen brand new Cisco > hardware, out of the box, that has pre-existing configuration (Interfaces > with Private IP addresses, static routes, etc ...) and in some cases even > non-system files, like 'crashdump.txt' or additional IOS images. Most > importantly our latest purchase; 2 'new' ASAs, contain a series of files > named: FSCK.REC, FSCK0001.REC, FSCK0002.REC, etc ... . Based on some > research it seems like that these files are 'recovery files' signaling > bad/failing hard disks in these appliances. > Anyone on thhis group has seen this before and if yes, are we supposed to > blindly trust the vendor saying the hardware is new, safe and secure? > > The only way I can explain this is that the hardware has been refurbished or > previously configured for reasons unknown to me. I think if customers pays > for new hardware, they should get new hardware, even if refurbished hardware > may be covered by Smartnet. > > Any thoughts or recommendations anyone? The last thing we want to do is to > deploy faulty (or non secure) security appliances in production. :) > > Thank you > > Best regards > > The information in this email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure, copying or distribution of this message or attachment is strictly prohibited. We have taken precautions to minimize the risk of transmitting software viruses, but we advise you to carry out your own virus checks on any attachment to this message. We cannot accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. If you believe that you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the email and all of its attachments > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ <><><>
RE: Cisco hardware question
According to previous conversations with my Cisco rep the answer is no - Cisco won't support it. I'm blind copying him on this and will pass on his response. Thanks, Matt From: Ken Gilmour [mailto:ken.gilm...@gmail.com] Sent: Thu 3/4/2010 4:17 PM To: Adcock, Matt [HISNA] Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cisco hardware question So if one were to purchase equipment, which is explicitly sold as "Refurbished" from, say www.impulsetech.us and they were to offer Smartnet on it, there is no guarantee that even if you paid for it, that Cisco would fulfil their support contract? Regards, Ken On 4 March 2010 15:22, Adcock, Matt [HISNA] wrote: Don't deploy the equipment, demand a refund, and report the reseller to Cisco. I agree completely with Brian - find a good Cisco partner and stick with them. Also, you can't legally buy used Cisco equipment and use the operating system. You can buy the equipment but the OS is absolutely non-transferrable. If you try to get SMARTNet on it red flags will go up and Cisco won't support it. Thanks, Matt Matt Adcock, Manager 334-481-6629 (w) / 334-312-5393 (m) / madc...@hisna.com 700 Hyundai Blvd. / Montgomery, AL 36105 P The average office worker uses 10,000 sheets of paper = 1.2 trees, per year By not printing this email, you've saved paper, ink and millions of trees From: Brian Feeny [mailto:bfe...@mac.com] Sent: Thu 3/4/2010 3:05 PM To: Kaveh . Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cisco hardware question If you are getting Cisco hardware with configs on it or crashfiles, etc. Then no it is NOT new equipment. Who are you buying from? Are they a Gold partner on Cisco's partner locator? If not, then I have seen some seedy things, and of course i have seen seedy things with Gold partners too, I am just pointing out that the ability to compete and make margin get more and more difficult the lower the partner is on the totem pole and so desperation can drive certain behavior. In general from a cisco Gold partner you can expect as good as 35-40% or so on new equipment for a discount for regular deals. Special pricing for special projects you may be able to get a bit better, and maybe 1% or so better for general products from CDW or a big box company like them. If you are paying 50-60% off list for just individual items you order, then its likely not new and there is likely something shady going on, as no partner is going to get you some special discount pricing on a single 3845 for example. All of your good gold partners are going to charge around the same give or take a few percent on material. So find someone you can trust and just build a relationship. If your paying new prices for used gear then yes you are getting ripped off. I would be glad to recommend to you a reputable gold partner if you email me off list. Brian On Mar 4, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Kaveh . wrote: > > Hello, > > I apologize if this is an unusual topic but I would like to know what this expert community thinks about this issue: > > We have noticed that a number of Cisco appliances we have recently purchased and paid (AS NEW), are being shipped as if they have been already used/refurbished. In other words, several times we have seen brand new Cisco hardware, out of the box, that has pre-existing configuration (Interfaces with Private IP addresses, static routes, etc ...) and in some cases even non-system files, like 'crashdump.txt' or additional IOS images. Most importantly our latest purchase; 2 'new' ASAs, contain a series of files named: FSCK.REC, FSCK0001.REC, FSCK0002.REC, etc ... . Based on some research it seems like that these files are 'recovery files' signaling bad/failing hard disks in these appliances. > Anyone on thhis group has seen this before and if yes, are we supposed to blindly trust the vendor saying the hardware is new, safe and secure? > > The only way I can explain this is that the hardware has been refurbished or previously configured for reasons unknown to me. I think if customers pays for new hardware, they should get new hardware, even if refurbished hardware may be covered by Smartnet. > > Any thoughts or recommendations anyone? The last thing we want to do is to deploy faulty (or non secure) security appliances in production. :) > > Thank you > > Best regards > > The information in this email an
RE: Facebook down!! Alert!
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RE: Token ring? topic hijack: was Re: Mystery open source switching
To my knowledge Simplex Grinnell fire detection systems currently use token ring. The information in this email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure, copying or distribution of this message or attachment is strictly prohibited. We have taken precautions to minimize the risk of transmitting software viruses, but we advise you to carry out your own virus checks on any attachment to this message. We cannot accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. If you believe that you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the email and all of its attachments From: Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo [mailto:carlosm3...@gmail.com] Sent: Tue 11/2/2010 3:44 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Token ring? topic hijack: was Re: Mystery open source switching Not only token ring. I know of some coaxial ethernets that were running as late as 2007. Some ATM machines still use X.25. And I know of at least one operational CNLP network (not a commercial one though) cheers! Carlos On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Greg Whynott wrote: > off topic... > > you recently converted from token ring to ethernet? i had no idea there > was still token ring networks out there, or am i living in a bubble? > > -g > > > On Oct 31, 2010, at 9:07 PM, Paul WALL wrote: > > > I don't know what the big deal is. I've rolled at least 20 of these > > switches into my network, and not only are they more stable than the > > Centillion switches that they replaced, they only cost half as much. > > Most of the money I dropped was on converting my stations from token > > ring to ethernet. > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:59 PM, bas wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: > >>> I might also mention that I received private SPAM from a name we all > >>> know and loath. (Hint: He's been banned from NANOG for VERY good > >>> reason and his name is of French derivation.) I just added a filter to > >>> block any mail mentioning pica8 and will see no more of this thread or > >>> their spam. > >> > >> Same here. > >> He harvests email addresses from peeringdb. (I have slight typo's in > >> my peeringdb record to recognize harvested spams.) > >> > >> Bas > >> > >> > > > > > -- > > This message and any attachments may contain confidential and/or privileged > information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review or > distribution by anyone other than the person for whom it was originally > intended is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, > please contact the sender and delete all copies. Opinions, conclusions or > other information contained in this message may not be that of the > organization. > > -- -- = Carlos M. Martinez-Cagnazzo http://cagnazzo.name =
RE: Cisco hardware question
That's very true. They ship some out one door for Cisco and some out another door for gray/black market. One other thing to note - the discounts shown on the Web site previously mentioned here are not that greater than the ones I know Cisco gives many companies. Is it really worth taking a chance with one of the most critical parts of your infrastructure to save 10% or 15%. In my industry (automotive) and I think in many others the answer is absoutely not. Matt Matt Adcock, Manager 334-481-6629 (w) / 334-312-5393 (m) / madc...@hisna.com 700 Hyundai Blvd. / Montgomery, AL 36105 P The average office worker uses 10,000 sheets of paper = 1.2 trees, per year By not printing this email, you’ve saved paper, ink and millions of trees From: Seth Mattinen [mailto:se...@rollernet.us] Sent: Thu 3/4/2010 6:20 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cisco hardware question On 3/4/2010 16:16, Ricky Beam wrote: > > Not necessarily. I've seen a lot of boxes that appear to have come > "direct" from Cisco, however, I know they came from a wholesaler's > warehouse. (only one came direct from Cisco. from the factory in Malaysia.) > A lot of counterfeits come direct from the factory, too. ;) ~Seth The information in this email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure, copying or distribution of this message or attachment is strictly prohibited. We have taken precautions to minimize the risk of transmitting software viruses, but we advise you to carry out your own virus checks on any attachment to this message. We cannot accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. If you believe that you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the email and all of its attachments <><><>
RE: Cisco hardware question
Response from my Cisco rep: "I has to be "Cisco Certified" refurbished. If it isn't it cannot have Smartnet placed on it without an inspection (which comes with an inspection fee) and the licensing paid for as well. When you combine these two cost items together with the selling price of the gear you're about back to the cost of a brand new piece of equipment. The most difficult part of buying this "gray market" or even "black market" gear is that you don't really know where it came from. The Department of Defense has found some of this "black market" gear (a fake) in the networks of their vendors. In some cases they have found a "phone home" feature that pokes a hole in the firewall and then allows outside users (Chinese) into the network. Once in they can siphon off data from your network." Thanks, Matt Matt Adcock, Manager 334-481-6629 (w) / 334-312-5393 (m) / madc...@hisna.com 700 Hyundai Blvd. / Montgomery, AL 36105 P The average office worker uses 10,000 sheets of paper = 1.2 trees, per year By not printing this email, you’ve saved paper, ink and millions of trees From: Adcock, Matt [HISNA] Sent: Thu 3/4/2010 7:17 PM To: Seth Mattinen; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Cisco hardware question That's very true. They ship some out one door for Cisco and some out another door for gray/black market. One other thing to note - the discounts shown on the Web site previously mentioned here are not that greater than the ones I know Cisco gives many companies. Is it really worth taking a chance with one of the most critical parts of your infrastructure to save 10% or 15%. In my industry (automotive) and I think in many others the answer is absoutely not. Matt The information in this email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure, copying or distribution of this message or attachment is strictly prohibited. We have taken precautions to minimize the risk of transmitting software viruses, but we advise you to carry out your own virus checks on any attachment to this message. We cannot accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. If you believe that you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the email and all of its attachments From: Seth Mattinen [mailto:se...@rollernet.us] Sent: Thu 3/4/2010 6:20 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cisco hardware question On 3/4/2010 16:16, Ricky Beam wrote: > > Not necessarily. I've seen a lot of boxes that appear to have come > "direct" from Cisco, however, I know they came from a wholesaler's > warehouse. (only one came direct from Cisco. from the factory in Malaysia.) > A lot of counterfeits come direct from the factory, too. ;) ~Seth <><><>
RE: Network Naming Conventions
I've used a Jimmy Buffett theme in test labs before. Matt Adcock, Manager 334-481-6629 (w) / 334-312-5393 (m) / madc...@hisna.com 700 Hyundai Blvd. / Montgomery, AL 36105 P The average office worker uses 10,000 sheets of paper = 1.2 trees, per year By not printing this email, you’ve saved paper, ink and millions of trees From: Ravi Pina [mailto:r...@cow.org] Sent: Sat 3/13/2010 3:33 PM To: Randy Bush Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Network Naming Conventions On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 04:58:11AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: > > On my last network I named all the routers after simpsons characters. > > scaled well? Don't forget there were 5 Snowballs... The information in this email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure, copying or distribution of this message or attachment is strictly prohibited. We have taken precautions to minimize the risk of transmitting software viruses, but we advise you to carry out your own virus checks on any attachment to this message. We cannot accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. If you believe that you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the email and all of its attachments <><><>
RE: comcast enterprise/carrier services
IMHO the cable provider and enterprise provider subsets have no intersection. I've never had a good experience with a cable provider trying to pretend to be an enterprise provider. Thanks, Matt Matt Adcock, Manager 334-481-6629 (w) / 334-312-5393 (m) / madc...@hisna.com 700 Hyundai Blvd. / Montgomery, AL 36105 P The average office worker uses 10,000 sheets of paper = 1.2 trees, per year By not printing this email, you’ve saved paper, ink and millions of trees From: Carlos Alcantar [mailto:car...@race.com] Sent: Tue 4/27/2010 12:27 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: comcast enterprise/carrier services Looking for a sales contact for Comcast enterprise/carrier services for there Ethernet product thanks. Carlos Alcantar Race Telecommunications, Inc. 101 Haskins Way South San Francisco, CA 94080 P: 650.649.3550 x143 F: 650.649.3551 E: carlos (at) race.com The information in this email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure, copying or distribution of this message or attachment is strictly prohibited. We have taken precautions to minimize the risk of transmitting software viruses, but we advise you to carry out your own virus checks on any attachment to this message. We cannot accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. If you believe that you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the email and all of its attachments <><><>
RE: Recycling old cabling?
Assumption: Construction guys are present. 1. Dump cable in large pile on the floor 2. Yell "Does anybody want this copper?" 3. Use broom to fend of multiple takers 4. Tell the guy who wants it that he can have it as long as he hauls it away Not that I've ever done this of course... The information in this email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure, copying or distribution of this message or attachment is strictly prohibited. We have taken precautions to minimize the risk of transmitting software viruses, but we advise you to carry out your own virus checks on any attachment to this message. We cannot accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. If you believe that you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the email and all of its attachments From: Patrik Wallstrom [mailto:pa...@blipp.com] Sent: Thu 8/19/2010 10:12 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Recycling old cabling? On Aug 18, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Wed, 18 Aug 2010, khatfi...@socllc.net wrote: > >> More companies recycle and properly dispose of equipment than they did ten >> years ago. Yet, if they aren't being looked at to be "green" or something >> along those lines then many choose the cheapest route (the dumpster). > > The amazing thing is sometimes they will pay to have it trashed instead of > the option of a recycler/reseller coming around and picking it up at no cost. > > As you said, it's just one of those things. The cables might still have some ultra-secret bits in them.
