Re: OT: Re: Younger generations preferring social media(esque) interactions.
On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 10:32:20AM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 3/23/21 02:22, Tomasz Rola wrote: > > >I am not going to lament much, either. It is just how it goes. On the > >brighter side, there will also be a minority, who will come to email > >exactly because they will be aspiring power users. I think there will > >always be some aspiring power users, so it is not going to be only bad. > > There will be, but they will keep dwindling. Things may be coming to this but they do not have to. I understand that being a power user involves talking to computer with some kind of a language, as opposed to pointing with finger. One example is unix commands, where "ls /usr/bin/ /sbin /usr/sbin/ | wc -l" gives me well over four thousand "words". So the question is, if in a future there will be systems which allow "talking to computer with words", allowing to make complex descriptions of "what to do". Talking to "siri" is not what I am thinking about, because just like "desktop metaphore", the "assistant metaphore" is trying to hide too much of underlying complexity to allow "power usage". -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **
Re: OT: Re: Younger generations preferring social media(esque) interactions.
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 09:55:02AM -0600, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: > On 3/21/21 8:03 AM, Noah wrote: > >Well baby boomers & gen-x will struggle to dump mail...I mean it > >simple and just works. > > Indeed. > > There's also the fact that it comes to you as opposed to you going to it. > > >We were trying to get a community of newbie techies mostly > >millennials & gen-z to actively engage on a list we subscribed > >them too for the past 2 years and believe me, I can count no more > >than 10 posts mainly from we few mailing list folk... > > > >When we requested for feedback, them gen-z cried out loud for > >interactions to happen on some social media app through groups or > >channels, and since they are the target audience and the majority, > >we settled for discord and telegram which they actively engage on > >:-). > > I must be ignorant as I don't grok this. On the other hand, I suspect majority of youngsters will never grok email. This will be thanks to mental gap promoted by some vendors, who certainly do not like it that anybody could, for example, set up email server and exchange thoughts outside of their zone of control. So, those who want to use email are capable of writing more than decent MUA for free, while those who do not want email are unable to do it, despite having heaps of money and paid programmers. As of multiple fora and all-day clicking, well, it is better to keep all those techies busy with something, lest they invent an idea and go out to start rival business... I am not going to suggest the big guys actively conspire but driving people away from things-that-work is not hurting their profits, so why would they want to change this? I am not going to lament much, either. It is just how it goes. On the brighter side, there will also be a minority, who will come to email exactly because they will be aspiring power users. I think there will always be some aspiring power users, so it is not going to be only bad. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **
Re: Wikipedia drops support for old Android smartphones; mandates TLSv1.2 to read
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 08:45:11AM -0500, Jared Mauch wrote:
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> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
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> > Silicon Valley is typically out of touch with reality.
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> If I have an old tablet that my kids use to do wikipedia and are now
> locked out, that’s forcing an expense on the end-user of that tech
> and creates more e-waste etc than necessary. I’m not a fan of that
> either, but the painting a broad brush is not helpful to the
> conversation.
I have read this example as illustration of thesis saying "smartphones
and {t|ph)ablets are dead-end architecture". If I had a twenty years
old laptop (oh wait, I have one) and could install a decent OS on it,
and upgrade it a bit or in whole, then I guess the problem with TLS
would have been solved for me. If I had a three years old
smartphone... ok, I have one, and while it is still usable, I
understand that at one point I am not going to receive any new
software for it, nor be able to compile it on my own.
In a future I might not make old errors again and just buy the
cheapest and lousiest smartphone, expecting it would last a year and a
day, not giving any more thought about it.
Dumbphones, on the other hand, seem to be free of this kind of
problems. I am a dumbphone user and it works great.
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Regards,
Tomasz Rola
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** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home**
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
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** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **
Re: Unable to email anyone from my primary domain name; thanks Google Mail and G Suite.
On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 06:18:46PM -0600, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: > Dear NANOG@, > [...] > > Over the years, I sometimes had certain messages rejected by Gmail, but it > was a very low rate of rejection (less than 5% for any mail I cared about), > and wasn't a major problem (usually only some automated messages would be > rejected). [...] I have noticed that you do cc to yourself. I used to do it, too, but I also have impression more of my mails get through since I started to bcc myself, which does not show on the other side and does not trigger malicious safeguards. Not that it is going to help much. It looks like gog put a lot of control into hands of software and then lost control of the software. No point to try contacting them from rejected address or trying to mention the address while contacting from passable one. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **
Re: [Q] What is your favorite Network Tools Live CD / USB, which you could have running in remote offices?
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Michael Shuler wrote: On 08/22/2013 12:06 PM, Stefan wrote: I've been toying with Live distros (CD, then USB) for many years, in support of security toolsets, to which I kept adding my own stuff, or customizing existing components. I am now trying to build a network toolset LiveCD/USB, but this time with a completely different purpose: I would like to put it in the hands of all remote offices we have on our network, and use it to have local systems boot out of it, and help us then run troubleshooting tools, from the central office, by SSH/X-ing into the remote live system (e.g. iperf, hping3, httping, tcping, mtr, tcpdump, voip tools, some thin clients/apps, synthetic transactions scripted to run at diff time intervals, and report back to us the health seen form the remotes, etc.). Has anybody used a base network tools Live CD/USB that they would recommend, having used as basis for such a network probe functionality? http://www.kali.org/ - it is completely customizable, as well. Alternatively, GRML Linux: http://grml.org/features/ http://grml.org/files/ http://grml.org/faq/ I understand it is more about admin than pentesting. Also, last time I downloaded (few months ago), images were somewhere in =~ 400MB area (vs Kali's 2GB, AFAIK). I am not sure about customizations. It is some kind of Debian's relative, so, in theory, why not. BTW, I am long time lurker and this is my first post here, so hello everybody. You guys know what are your interests - mine are there, too, either full set or a subset. Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did rm -rif on the programmer's home** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **
