RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Aaron Gould]

Hi Erik, as a follow-up to this email from back in April...previously I
hadn't yet tested any qos things on the ACX5048.  Now I have tested some
policing and seems to be working thus far in the lab.  I am policing at the
unit (subinterface) level to I can accomplish per-vlan/per-unit policers.

I have 5 policers like this 

{master:0}
agould@eng-lab-5048-2> show configuration firewall | display set | grep
policer

set firewall policer test-policer-1000 if-exceeding bandwidth-limit 100k
set firewall policer test-policer-1000 if-exceeding burst-size-limit 3125
set firewall policer test-policer-1000 then discard

set firewall policer test-policer-1001 if-exceeding bandwidth-limit 100k
set firewall policer test-policer-1001 if-exceeding burst-size-limit 3125
set firewall policer test-policer-1001 then discard

set firewall policer test-policer-1002 if-exceeding bandwidth-limit 100k
set firewall policer test-policer-1002 if-exceeding burst-size-limit 3125
set firewall policer test-policer-1002 then discard

set firewall policer test-policer-1003 if-exceeding bandwidth-limit 100k
set firewall policer test-policer-1003 if-exceeding burst-size-limit 3125
set firewall policer test-policer-1003 then discard

set firewall policer test-policer-1004 if-exceeding bandwidth-limit 100k
set firewall policer test-policer-1004 if-exceeding burst-size-limit 3125
set firewall policer test-policer-1004 then discard

{master:0}
agould@eng-lab-5048-2> show configuration interfaces ge-0/0/19 | display set
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 flexible-vlan-tagging
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 mtu 9216
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 encapsulation flexible-ethernet-services

set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1000 description "TEST att mtso - tower 98
Drain 1 - vlan 1000"
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1000 encapsulation vlan-vpls
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1000 vlan-id 1000
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1000 input-vlan-map pop
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1000 output-vlan-map push
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1000 statistics
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1000 family vpls policer input
test-policer-1000

set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1001 description "TEST att mtso - tower 99
Drain 1 - vlan 1001"
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1001 encapsulation vlan-vpls
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1001 vlan-id 1001
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1001 input-vlan-map pop
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1001 output-vlan-map push
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1001 statistics
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1001 family vpls policer input
test-policer-1001

set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1002 description "TEST att mtso - tower 100
Drain 1 - vlan 1002"
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1002 encapsulation vlan-vpls
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1002 vlan-id 1002
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1002 input-vlan-map pop
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1002 output-vlan-map push
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1002 statistics
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1002 family vpls policer input
test-policer-1002

set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1003 description "TEST att mtso - tower 101
Drain 1 - vlan 1003"
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1003 encapsulation vlan-vpls
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1003 vlan-id 1003
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1003 input-vlan-map pop
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1003 output-vlan-map push
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1003 statistics
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1003 family vpls policer input
test-policer-1003

set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1004 description "TEST att mtso - tower 102
Drain 1 - vlan 1004"
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1004 encapsulation vlan-vpls
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1004 vlan-id 1004
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1004 input-vlan-map pop
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1004 output-vlan-map push
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1004 statistics
set interfaces ge-0/0/19 unit 1004 family vpls policer input
test-policer-1004



-Original Message-
From: Erik Sundberg [mailto:esundb...@nitelusa.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:30 AM
To: Aaron Gould <aar...@gvtc.com>; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch 

Aaron,

Do you know if the ACS5048 has any QOS limitations on this platform?

Is each EVC on a ENNI able to have a separate QOS policy or is it port
based? Just wondering how it would compare to the Cisco NCS5001\NCS5501

Thanks

Erik

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Re: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Patrick Cole]

Sorry, slight correction to the below - GMPLS Sub-TLVs inside the TE LSAs
were being advertised with nil values instead of being removed completely.

One additional thing that really irked me is that their TE code is that
they set all TE metrics to 0 for every interface/link and no way to use
the IGP metric or set it, so if you have two links of equal distance
in terms of hops, there was no way to steer a CSPF computed LSP to prefer 
one without using EROs to do it.  They also have no concept of attribute
flags or link colors.

Ultimately, their TE implementation was very basic. They openly admitted 
their focus was on GMPLS and not MPLS-TE.  For us, GMPLS has no real
use case in our network.

Patrick

Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:45:06PM +1000, Patrick Cole wrote:


> Aaron,
> 
> The code is very green;  the platform originally was inherited from
> Nortel and as such they invested heavily in PBB-TE first and foremost.
> 
> To give you an idea they're currently at version 6.16 and the MPLS 
> code was introduced in 6.10 (from memory).
> 
> They support just enough OSPFv2 or IS-IS to implement basic MPLS TE 
> functionality but it does not interop with any other vendor well
> at all from my testing.
> 
> They only support protected active/standby LSP groups withI maximum
> 2 paths per group.  Paths inside a group cannot be computed automatically
> and /must/ have EROs specified.  
> 
> They do not support Fast Reroute PLR/MP in any way and their product
> manager said they have no plans to do so in the future.  They do support
> "signalling" desired FRR protection on an LSP, however, in my lab testing
> this is a moot point as they don't interop with our Cisco core gear.
> They seem to add GMPLS TLVs in to their PATH msgs with nil values even
> when you aren't using GMPLS, which Cisco doesn't like.
> 
> I was able to get their gear to interop with our Brocade routers, but
> it was world of hurt of problems in production as they don't do make
> before break on LSPs or anything useful like that.
> 
> Even when running only their gear in isolation, we had numerous extremely
> large service impacting problems with their software - things that as
> a software and network engineer by trade I can only put down
> to extremely badly written code. For example we had an issue where when
> BFD would flap on links rapidly through our network, the MPLS cross
> connect table would get misprogrammed with a bad value and then from
> that point onwards all transit LSPs would fail to signal through the
> node.
> 
> Even further to this, the biggest issue I had is that their software 
> was not written with enough easy-to-access diagnostic/debugging capability 
> to be able to allow the vendor to triage and get to the root cause 
> of issues.  Most major issues never got solved because the things
> the vendor required you to troubleshoot were outragously inconvenient
> or massively service affecting in nature.  Example;  there was no
> way to send debugging via the network (syslog etc).  In quite a
> few cases I had to break out in to the linux CLI and run their 
> debug streaming program on all our nodes and use netcat to transport
> it back to our servers to capture it.
> 
> They implement LDP signalled PWE and VPLS but the cli has a lot of
> really annoying nuances like, you can't change the LSP on a pseudowire
> without detaching it from its virtual switch (no make-before-break 
> functionality exists either).
> 
> We stuck with it for a while, hoping it would get better but every
> release seemed to bring different bugs, and the old ones never 
> seemed to get fully fixed and would resurface in the future.  I
> suspect they were dealing with race conditions in their code and
> they just never could seem to reproduce the conditions that would
> cause them in their lab.  I think our microwave network tested their
> code in ways they never had before when storms rolled through.
> 
> This might all be different on their larger packet optical devices
> I don't know - this all applies to the SA-OS on 39XX/51XX platform.
> 
> We now use the ASR920 platform and comparatively it's night and
> day in terms of feature set and stability.  Only thing I'm missing 
> is lack of tunnel byte counters for use by auto-bw, but Cisco say 
> this is coming in Everest...
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Patrick
> 
> 
> Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 03:06:42PM -0500, Aaron Gould wrote:
> 
> > Oh, ok... hmmm
> > 
> > So what was the issue with Ciena and MPLS Patrick ?
> > 
> > -Aaron
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Patrick Cole 
> Senior Network Specialist
> World Without Wires
> PO Box 869. Palm Beach, QLD, 4221
> Ph:  0410 626 630
> 

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Re: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Patrick Cole]

Aaron,

The code is very green;  the platform originally was inherited from
Nortel and as such they invested heavily in PBB-TE first and foremost.

To give you an idea they're currently at version 6.16 and the MPLS 
code was introduced in 6.10 (from memory).

They support just enough OSPFv2 or IS-IS to implement basic MPLS TE 
functionality but it does not interop with any other vendor well
at all from my testing.

They only support protected active/standby LSP groups withI maximum
2 paths per group.  Paths inside a group cannot be computed automatically
and /must/ have EROs specified.  

They do not support Fast Reroute PLR/MP in any way and their product
manager said they have no plans to do so in the future.  They do support
"signalling" desired FRR protection on an LSP, however, in my lab testing
this is a moot point as they don't interop with our Cisco core gear.
They seem to add GMPLS TLVs in to their PATH msgs with nil values even
when you aren't using GMPLS, which Cisco doesn't like.

I was able to get their gear to interop with our Brocade routers, but
it was world of hurt of problems in production as they don't do make
before break on LSPs or anything useful like that.

Even when running only their gear in isolation, we had numerous extremely
large service impacting problems with their software - things that as
a software and network engineer by trade I can only put down
to extremely badly written code. For example we had an issue where when
BFD would flap on links rapidly through our network, the MPLS cross
connect table would get misprogrammed with a bad value and then from
that point onwards all transit LSPs would fail to signal through the
node.

Even further to this, the biggest issue I had is that their software 
was not written with enough easy-to-access diagnostic/debugging capability 
to be able to allow the vendor to triage and get to the root cause 
of issues.  Most major issues never got solved because the things
the vendor required you to troubleshoot were outragously inconvenient
or massively service affecting in nature.  Example;  there was no
way to send debugging via the network (syslog etc).  In quite a
few cases I had to break out in to the linux CLI and run their 
debug streaming program on all our nodes and use netcat to transport
it back to our servers to capture it.

They implement LDP signalled PWE and VPLS but the cli has a lot of
really annoying nuances like, you can't change the LSP on a pseudowire
without detaching it from its virtual switch (no make-before-break 
functionality exists either).

We stuck with it for a while, hoping it would get better but every
release seemed to bring different bugs, and the old ones never 
seemed to get fully fixed and would resurface in the future.  I
suspect they were dealing with race conditions in their code and
they just never could seem to reproduce the conditions that would
cause them in their lab.  I think our microwave network tested their
code in ways they never had before when storms rolled through.

This might all be different on their larger packet optical devices
I don't know - this all applies to the SA-OS on 39XX/51XX platform.

We now use the ASR920 platform and comparatively it's night and
day in terms of feature set and stability.  Only thing I'm missing 
is lack of tunnel byte counters for use by auto-bw, but Cisco say 
this is coming in Everest...

Regards,

Patrick


Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 03:06:42PM -0500, Aaron Gould wrote:

> Oh, ok... hmmm
> 
> So what was the issue with Ciena and MPLS Patrick ?
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> 

-- 
Patrick Cole 
Senior Network Specialist
World Without Wires
PO Box 869. Palm Beach, QLD, 4221
Ph:  0410 626 630

Re: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Alain Hebert]

Eeee...  We're still in the mist of a battle royal with 6 QFX 5100 
here =D


We'll know who wins soon.

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Tel: 514-990-5911  http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443

On 04/13/17 17:59, Kody Vicknair wrote:

Have you taken a look at the Juniper QFX series? I use these for video 
multicast and I'm not 100% sure they have support for all the features you've 
requested, BUT I do know of a competitor that uses them for cheap 10G VPLS 
deployment. It might be worth looking into. If you need a Juniper engineer to 
bounce your questions off of, I know a guy...

I'd start here:

http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/switching/qfx-series/qfx5100/




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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+kvicknair=reservetele@nanog.org] On 
Behalf Of Erik Sundberg
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 4:37 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

Hey Nanog,

Looking for a new metroE Edge switch that has more that 10x 10G ports. I am 
having a hard time finding anything worthwhile without buying a full blown 
ASR9K Chassis or another vendor's chassis.

Requirements
MEF compliant
1-2U small foot print
10G Ports will be used for ENNI's and UNI Ports Prefer MPLS support for L2VPN's 
(EoMPLS and VPLS) QOS per Sub interface\vlan on a ENNI Cost effect 10G Ports 
100G Not required


Looking at the
ASR920's - Great box for 1G but not enough 10G Ports Only 4
NCS5001/NCS5501 - New\unproven\probably buggy, Lacking some features & QOS 
issues :/
ASR900 - Looks good, but was hoping for a smaller foot print. If I remember 
right the 8x10G Cards can't go in every slot.

Any other platforms I should be looking at?

Ciena, Brocade, Juniper?



Thanks in advance!

-Erik



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RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Aaron Gould]

Oh, ok... hmmm

So what was the issue with Ciena and MPLS Patrick ?

-Aaron

RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Aaron Gould]

Thanks Tom... I might be wrong, I thought I remembered Ciena not having the
MPLS routing capabilities I needed... I do see this on their website... so
maybe it does more MPLS L2/L3VPN capabilities than I remembered... I might
have to take another look at this and talk to my Ciena POC and VAR...

Thanks again.

http://www.ciena.com/products/5160/ 

RFC 2205, 3031, 3036, 3985 MPLS PWE3 Pseudowire Emulation Edge-to-Edge
RFC 5654 MPLS-Transport Profile (TP)
LSP Static provisioning
1:1 Tunnel protection
LSP BFD via Gal/Gach
MPLS Virtual Private Wire Service (VPWS)
RFC 4762 VPLS (Virtual Private LAN Service) and Hierarchical VPLS
(H-VPLS)
Provider Edge (PE-s) Functionality for VPLS and H-VPLS
VPLS with multiple VPLS Mesh Virtual Circuits
H-VPLS with Hub and Spoke Virtual Circuits
MTU-s Functionality for H-VPLS deployment
MTU-s Multi-homing (redundant VCs to different PE-s switches)
MPLS Virtual Circuit as H-VPLS spoke Virtual Circuit
PBB-TE Service Instance as H-VPLS spoke Virtual Circuit
Q-in-Q Ethernet Virtual Circuit as H-VPLS spoke Virtual Circuit
MPLS Label Switch Path (LSP) Tunnel Groups
MPLS Label Switch Path (LSP) Tunnel Redundancy
Layer 2 Control Frame Tunneling over MPLS Virtual Circuits
RFC 3209 RSVP-TE (for MPLS Tunnel Signaling)
RFC 3630 OSPF-TE (for MPLS Tunnel Routes)
RFC 3784 IS-IS-TE (for MPLS Tunnel Routes)
RFC 3036 LDP & Targeted LDP (for VPLS VC signaling)
RFC 4090 MPLS Fast ReRoute signaling
LSP Ping & Traceroute

-Aaron

Re: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Patrick Cole]

Yes, stay well away from the Ciena MPLS code... based on my experience
with the CN5100/3900 series...

Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 02:08:05AM +0100, Tom Hill wrote:

> On 13/04/17 23:47, Aaron Gould wrote:
> > Pretty sure I looked at the ciena 51xx and I found that it does not have
> > mpls in it... pretty sure Erik needs mpls...
> 
> The 5150 will 'do MPLS', which is pretty clear from their website. The
> references 5160, too.
> 
> I wouldn't recommend it personally, but it is there.

-- 
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Senior Network Specialist
World Without Wires
PO Box 869. Palm Beach, QLD, 4221
Ph:  0410 626 630

Re: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Tom Hill]

On 13/04/17 23:47, Aaron Gould wrote:
> Pretty sure I looked at the ciena 51xx and I found that it does not have
> mpls in it... pretty sure Erik needs mpls...

The 5150 will 'do MPLS', which is pretty clear from their website. The
references 5160, too.

I wouldn't recommend it personally, but it is there.

-- 
Tom

Re: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Tyler Conrad]

I'd avoid the 7280R for this. Works great as a P router for cheap, fast
label switching, but their VRF implementation is lacking with both
route-leaking and MP-BGP address family (other than standard ipv4+ipv6)
support being nonexistent.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 3:12 PM, David Hubbard <
dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com> wrote:

> Would Arista 7280R work?  Gets you 48+ 10gig and a couple QSFP ports even
> in the cheapest model.  I believe it has the features you want.  Haven’t
> done MPLS with it, but I’ve got some running OSPF/OSPFv3 with no issues.
>
> On 4/13/17, 5:37 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Erik Sundberg"
>  esundb...@nitelusa.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Nanog,
>
> Looking for a new metroE Edge switch that has more that 10x 10G ports.
> I am having a hard time finding anything worthwhile without buying a full
> blown ASR9K Chassis or another vendor's chassis.
>
> Requirements
> MEF compliant
> 1-2U small foot print
> 10G Ports will be used for ENNI's and UNI Ports
> Prefer MPLS support for L2VPN's (EoMPLS and VPLS)
> QOS per Sub interface\vlan on a ENNI
> Cost effect 10G Ports
> 100G Not required
>
>
> Looking at the
> ASR920's - Great box for 1G but not enough 10G Ports Only 4
> NCS5001/NCS5501 - New\unproven\probably buggy, Lacking some features &
> QOS issues :/
> ASR900 - Looks good, but was hoping for a smaller foot print. If I
> remember right the 8x10G Cards can't go in every slot.
>
> Any other platforms I should be looking at?
>
> Ciena, Brocade, Juniper?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Erik
>
> 
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RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Clapp, Karl]

Anyone has a ZTE sales contact in the US, specifically in the New England 
region?

Seems like something I may want to look into.. Tired of SmartNet..

Regards..

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Baldur Norddahl
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:02 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

The ZTE ZXR10 5960 will do MPLS for about 3k USD:

http://www.edgetech.lv/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/ZTE-ZXR10-5960-Series-All-10-Gigabit-Switch-Datasheet.pdf

24x 10G and 2x 40G

We use them for L2VPN (VPLS).

I have not done QOS on this hardware, so I can not say how well that works.

Regards,

Baldur

Den 13/04/2017 kl. 23.37 skrev Erik Sundberg:
> Hey Nanog,
>
> Looking for a new metroE Edge switch that has more that 10x 10G ports. I am 
> having a hard time finding anything worthwhile without buying a full blown 
> ASR9K Chassis or another vendor's chassis.
>
> Requirements
> MEF compliant
> 1-2U small foot print
> 10G Ports will be used for ENNI's and UNI Ports Prefer MPLS support 
> for L2VPN's (EoMPLS and VPLS) QOS per Sub interface\vlan on a ENNI 
> Cost effect 10G Ports 100G Not required
>
>
> Looking at the
> ASR920's - Great box for 1G but not enough 10G Ports Only 4
> NCS5001/NCS5501 - New\unproven\probably buggy, Lacking some features & QOS 
> issues :/
> ASR900 - Looks good, but was hoping for a smaller foot print. If I remember 
> right the 8x10G Cards can't go in every slot.
>
> Any other platforms I should be looking at?
>
> Ciena, Brocade, Juniper?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Erik
>
> 
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Re: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Ge Dupin]

They are well known !

Are they reputable ? :)

Regards

Ge Dupin

> Le 14 avr. 2017 à 14:53, Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> a écrit :
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZTE 
> 
> Almost $12B in revenue in 2014, so not small. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> http://www.ics-il.com 
> 
> Midwest-IX 
> http://www.midwest-ix.com 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "Aaron Gould" <aar...@gvtc.com> 
> To: "Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.nordd...@gmail.com>, nanog@nanog.org 
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:45:58 AM 
> Subject: RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch 
> 
> Wow, 10 gig and 40 gig, mpls, etc, etc for $3,000 ?! Who is ZTE ? I 
> usually try to stay with big names...Juniper, Cisco, etc... is ZTE 
> well-known and reputable ? 
> 
> -Aaron 
> 
> 
> 

RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Aaron Gould]

Sorry Erik, I'm not well versed on the ACX5048 qos at the moment.I'm
just now undergoing a qos project which will require me to learn more about
the gear in my network, to include the sub-rings of acx5048's.  Perhaps
check back with me in a while and I might know more.

I am not handling my ENNI's on any acx5048's and I'm not policing any of
my cell backhaul on acx5048's I put regulator's (Accedian's name for
policers) on my MetroNID's which hang off the ACX5048's so I haven't had to
do that.  Again, sorry, I can't help with that at the moment.

Hopefully others on the list can respond... or check the good ole Juniper
NSP mail list... juniper-...@puck.nether.net 

Or check here...

http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/junos/information-products/pathway-pag
es/acx-series/index.html

http://www.jnpr.net/techpubs/en_US/junos15.1x54-D60/information-products/pat
hway-pages/acx-series/acx-series-151x54d60.pdf

Class Of Service - Part 7 (page 775/2870)



- Aaron

RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Erik Sundberg]

Aaron,

Do you know if the ACS5048 has any QOS limitations on this platform?

Is each EVC on a ENNI able to have a separate QOS policy or is it port based? 
Just wondering how it would compare to the Cisco NCS5001\NCS5501

Thanks

Erik

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-Original Message-
From: Aaron Gould [mailto:aar...@gvtc.com]
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:40 AM
To: Erik Sundberg; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

Yw Erik, also, since I'm fond/familiar with my newly deployed Juniper 
ACX5048's here's the MEF info...it's on there.

https://www.mef.net/certification/equipment_details?company=001U007RJ6dI
AG

- Aaron





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Re: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Mike Hammett]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZTE 

Almost $12B in revenue in 2014, so not small. 




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http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Aaron Gould" <aar...@gvtc.com> 
To: "Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.nordd...@gmail.com>, nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:45:58 AM 
Subject: RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch 

Wow, 10 gig and 40 gig, mpls, etc, etc for $3,000 ?! Who is ZTE ? I 
usually try to stay with big names...Juniper, Cisco, etc... is ZTE 
well-known and reputable ? 

-Aaron 

RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Aaron Gould]

Wow, 10 gig and 40 gig, mpls, etc, etc for $3,000 ?!   Who is ZTE ?  I
usually try to stay with big names...Juniper, Cisco, etc... is ZTE
well-known and reputable ?

-Aaron

RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Aaron Gould]

Yw Erik, also, since I'm fond/familiar with my newly deployed Juniper
ACX5048's here's the MEF info...it's on there.

https://www.mef.net/certification/equipment_details?company=001U007RJ6dI
AG

- Aaron

Re: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Baldur Norddahl]

The ZTE ZXR10 5960 will do MPLS for about 3k USD:

http://www.edgetech.lv/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/ZTE-ZXR10-5960-Series-All-10-Gigabit-Switch-Datasheet.pdf

24x 10G and 2x 40G

We use them for L2VPN (VPLS).

I have not done QOS on this hardware, so I can not say how well that works.

Regards,

Baldur

Den 13/04/2017 kl. 23.37 skrev Erik Sundberg:

Hey Nanog,

Looking for a new metroE Edge switch that has more that 10x 10G ports. I am 
having a hard time finding anything worthwhile without buying a full blown 
ASR9K Chassis or another vendor's chassis.

Requirements
MEF compliant
1-2U small foot print
10G Ports will be used for ENNI's and UNI Ports
Prefer MPLS support for L2VPN's (EoMPLS and VPLS)
QOS per Sub interface\vlan on a ENNI
Cost effect 10G Ports
100G Not required


Looking at the
ASR920's - Great box for 1G but not enough 10G Ports Only 4
NCS5001/NCS5501 - New\unproven\probably buggy, Lacking some features & QOS 
issues :/
ASR900 - Looks good, but was hoping for a smaller foot print. If I remember 
right the 8x10G Cards can't go in every slot.

Any other platforms I should be looking at?

Ciena, Brocade, Juniper?



Thanks in advance!

-Erik



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RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Erik Sundberg]

Guys thanks for the feedback and direction.

Some follow up to some of the questions\comments

-MPLS support is preferreded.
-Uplinks to the core would be LACP Bundles at Nx10G. The majority of the 
traffic on the customer facing 10G ENNI's will be 10-100M EVC's. We would 
configure 10G Port with 2G CIR on this device, just not full 10G UNI Ports they 
would be put on a different device.
-MEF Required

-Erik


-Original Message-
From: Aaron Gould [mailto:aar...@gvtc.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 5:41 PM
To: Erik Sundberg; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

Hi Eric, A year or 2 ago, I did a good bit of work looking at various 
MPLS-capable-PE boxes as I was looking to replace the investment of Cisco 
ME3600's that couldn't keep up the pace of our FTTH 10 gig link expansions... 
that ME3600 only had (2) 10 gig ports.

Several links below are just a quick search I did on google to find some of 
this topics/discussions from the community.

https://www.juniper.net/assets/kr/kr/local/pdf/case-studies/3520578-en.pdf

https://lists.gt.net/nsp/juniper/54965

https://www.mail-archive.com/juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net/msg23974.html

https://marc.info/?l=cisco-nsp=148839385119158=3

https://marc.info/?a=13337206476=1=3

https://marc.info/?a=14883916473=1=3

https://lists.gt.net/nsp/juniper/58182

https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/juniper-nsp/2015-October/031353.html

https://lists.gt.net/nsp/juniper/58241


-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+aaron1=gvtc@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Erik 
Sundberg
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 4:37 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

Hey Nanog,

Looking for a new metroE Edge switch that has more that 10x 10G ports. I am 
having a hard time finding anything worthwhile without buying a full blown 
ASR9K Chassis or another vendor's chassis.

Requirements
MEF compliant
1-2U small foot print
10G Ports will be used for ENNI's and UNI Ports Prefer MPLS support for L2VPN's 
(EoMPLS and VPLS) QOS per Sub interface\vlan on a ENNI Cost effect 10G Ports 
100G Not required


Looking at the
ASR920's - Great box for 1G but not enough 10G Ports Only 4
NCS5001/NCS5501 - New\unproven\probably buggy, Lacking some features & QOS 
issues :/
ASR900 - Looks good, but was hoping for a smaller foot print. If I remember 
right the 8x10G Cards can't go in every slot.

Any other platforms I should be looking at?

Ciena, Brocade, Juniper?



Thanks in advance!

-Erik



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RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Aaron Gould]

Pretty sure I looked at the ciena 51xx and I found that it does not have
mpls in it... pretty sure Erik needs mpls...

-Aaron

RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Aaron Gould]

I'm pretty sure that the Juniper QFX5100 and the Juniper ACX5048 are some box 
with different Junos and features allowed/disallowed...somehow. (lookup 
pictures on google and juniper.net... pretty sure identical box)

As I recall, the QFX5100 has more data-center-type things like virtual 
chass/mc-lag and less MPLS-edge-agg...
As I recall (actually know from deploying 25 of them now), the ACX5048 has more 
MPLS-edge-agg and less data-center-type things like virtual chass/mc-lag 

-Aaron

RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Aaron Gould]

Yeah, I settled on the ACX5048 too.  I've since replaced about (25) Cisco 
ME3600's with ACX5048's.  I'm doing MPLS L2VPN's and L3VPN's on the ACX5048.  
It's pretty nice and stable.

-Aaron

RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Aaron Gould]

Hi Eric, A year or 2 ago, I did a good bit of work looking at various
MPLS-capable-PE boxes as I was looking to replace the investment of Cisco
ME3600's that couldn't keep up the pace of our FTTH 10 gig link
expansions... that ME3600 only had (2) 10 gig ports.

Several links below are just a quick search I did on google to find some of
this topics/discussions from the community.

https://www.juniper.net/assets/kr/kr/local/pdf/case-studies/3520578-en.pdf  

https://lists.gt.net/nsp/juniper/54965  

https://www.mail-archive.com/juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net/msg23974.html  

https://marc.info/?l=cisco-nsp=148839385119158=3  

https://marc.info/?a=13337206476=1=3  

https://marc.info/?a=14883916473=1=3  

https://lists.gt.net/nsp/juniper/58182   
  
https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/juniper-nsp/2015-October/031353.html 

https://lists.gt.net/nsp/juniper/58241


-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+aaron1=gvtc@nanog.org] On Behalf Of
Erik Sundberg
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 4:37 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch 

Hey Nanog,

Looking for a new metroE Edge switch that has more that 10x 10G ports. I am
having a hard time finding anything worthwhile without buying a full blown
ASR9K Chassis or another vendor's chassis.

Requirements
MEF compliant
1-2U small foot print
10G Ports will be used for ENNI's and UNI Ports Prefer MPLS support for
L2VPN's (EoMPLS and VPLS) QOS per Sub interface\vlan on a ENNI Cost effect
10G Ports 100G Not required


Looking at the
ASR920's - Great box for 1G but not enough 10G Ports Only 4
NCS5001/NCS5501 - New\unproven\probably buggy, Lacking some features & QOS
issues :/
ASR900 - Looks good, but was hoping for a smaller foot print. If I remember
right the 8x10G Cards can't go in every slot.

Any other platforms I should be looking at?

Ciena, Brocade, Juniper?



Thanks in advance!

-Erik



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Re: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Robert Jacobs]

Ciena 5160.  24 port sfp+.  1u  D.C. Or ac dual PSU. MEF certified. Price 
points good

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From: NANOG <nanog-boun...@nanog.org> on behalf of Richard Holbo 
<hol...@sonss.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 5:09:55 PM
To: Erik Sundberg
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

I have used several of these Huawei S6700 switches with no issues, fast
easy to configure and support pretty much everything you mention.

http://e.huawei.com/en/marketing-material/global/products/enterprise_network/switches/s6700/HUAWEI%20S6700%20Series%2010%20GE%20Switch%20Data%20Sheet

/rh

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Erik Sundberg <esundb...@nitelusa.com>
wrote:

> Hey Nanog,
>
> Looking for a new metroE Edge switch that has more that 10x 10G ports. I
> am having a hard time finding anything worthwhile without buying a full
> blown ASR9K Chassis or another vendor's chassis.
>
> Requirements
> MEF compliant
> 1-2U small foot print
> 10G Ports will be used for ENNI's and UNI Ports
> Prefer MPLS support for L2VPN's (EoMPLS and VPLS)
> QOS per Sub interface\vlan on a ENNI
> Cost effect 10G Ports
> 100G Not required
>
>
> Looking at the
> ASR920's - Great box for 1G but not enough 10G Ports Only 4
> NCS5001/NCS5501 - New\unproven\probably buggy, Lacking some features & QOS
> issues :/
> ASR900 - Looks good, but was hoping for a smaller foot print. If I
> remember right the 8x10G Cards can't go in every slot.
>
> Any other platforms I should be looking at?
>
> Ciena, Brocade, Juniper?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Erik
>
> 
>
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Re: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[David Hubbard]

Would Arista 7280R work?  Gets you 48+ 10gig and a couple QSFP ports even in 
the cheapest model.  I believe it has the features you want.  Haven’t done MPLS 
with it, but I’ve got some running OSPF/OSPFv3 with no issues.

On 4/13/17, 5:37 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Erik Sundberg" 
 wrote:

Hey Nanog,

Looking for a new metroE Edge switch that has more that 10x 10G ports. I am 
having a hard time finding anything worthwhile without buying a full blown 
ASR9K Chassis or another vendor's chassis.

Requirements
MEF compliant
1-2U small foot print
10G Ports will be used for ENNI's and UNI Ports
Prefer MPLS support for L2VPN's (EoMPLS and VPLS)
QOS per Sub interface\vlan on a ENNI
Cost effect 10G Ports
100G Not required


Looking at the
ASR920's - Great box for 1G but not enough 10G Ports Only 4
NCS5001/NCS5501 - New\unproven\probably buggy, Lacking some features & QOS 
issues :/
ASR900 - Looks good, but was hoping for a smaller foot print. If I remember 
right the 8x10G Cards can't go in every slot.

Any other platforms I should be looking at?

Ciena, Brocade, Juniper?



Thanks in advance!

-Erik



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Re: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Richard Holbo]

I have used several of these Huawei S6700 switches with no issues, fast
easy to configure and support pretty much everything you mention.

http://e.huawei.com/en/marketing-material/global/products/enterprise_network/switches/s6700/HUAWEI%20S6700%20Series%2010%20GE%20Switch%20Data%20Sheet

/rh

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Erik Sundberg 
wrote:

> Hey Nanog,
>
> Looking for a new metroE Edge switch that has more that 10x 10G ports. I
> am having a hard time finding anything worthwhile without buying a full
> blown ASR9K Chassis or another vendor's chassis.
>
> Requirements
> MEF compliant
> 1-2U small foot print
> 10G Ports will be used for ENNI's and UNI Ports
> Prefer MPLS support for L2VPN's (EoMPLS and VPLS)
> QOS per Sub interface\vlan on a ENNI
> Cost effect 10G Ports
> 100G Not required
>
>
> Looking at the
> ASR920's - Great box for 1G but not enough 10G Ports Only 4
> NCS5001/NCS5501 - New\unproven\probably buggy, Lacking some features & QOS
> issues :/
> ASR900 - Looks good, but was hoping for a smaller foot print. If I
> remember right the 8x10G Cards can't go in every slot.
>
> Any other platforms I should be looking at?
>
> Ciena, Brocade, Juniper?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Erik
>
> 
>
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RE: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Kody Vicknair]

Have you taken a look at the Juniper QFX series? I use these for video 
multicast and I'm not 100% sure they have support for all the features you've 
requested, BUT I do know of a competitor that uses them for cheap 10G VPLS 
deployment. It might be worth looking into. If you need a Juniper engineer to 
bounce your questions off of, I know a guy...

I'd start here:

http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/switching/qfx-series/qfx5100/




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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+kvicknair=reservetele@nanog.org] On 
Behalf Of Erik Sundberg
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 4:37 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

Hey Nanog,

Looking for a new metroE Edge switch that has more that 10x 10G ports. I am 
having a hard time finding anything worthwhile without buying a full blown 
ASR9K Chassis or another vendor's chassis.

Requirements
MEF compliant
1-2U small foot print
10G Ports will be used for ENNI's and UNI Ports Prefer MPLS support for L2VPN's 
(EoMPLS and VPLS) QOS per Sub interface\vlan on a ENNI Cost effect 10G Ports 
100G Not required


Looking at the
ASR920's - Great box for 1G but not enough 10G Ports Only 4
NCS5001/NCS5501 - New\unproven\probably buggy, Lacking some features & QOS 
issues :/
ASR900 - Looks good, but was hoping for a smaller foot print. If I remember 
right the 8x10G Cards can't go in every slot.

Any other platforms I should be looking at?

Ciena, Brocade, Juniper?



Thanks in advance!

-Erik



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Re: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[valdis . kletnieks]

On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 21:37:07 -, Erik Sundberg said:

> Looking for a new metroE Edge switch that has more that 10x 10G ports.

> 100G Not required

Did you mean that downlink 100G is not needed (but needed on the uplink side),
or are you planning to use a 40G as an uplink, or are you positive enough that
you'll never get a 10G burst on multiple ports to need more than 10G uplink?



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Re: 10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Colton Conor]

I looked at all three of these solutions, and ended up going with the
Juniper ACX5048. Similar hardware wise to the NCS as it has the Broadcom
chipset, but much more feature rich than Cisco.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Erik Sundberg 
wrote:

> Hey Nanog,
>
> Looking for a new metroE Edge switch that has more that 10x 10G ports. I
> am having a hard time finding anything worthwhile without buying a full
> blown ASR9K Chassis or another vendor's chassis.
>
> Requirements
> MEF compliant
> 1-2U small foot print
> 10G Ports will be used for ENNI's and UNI Ports
> Prefer MPLS support for L2VPN's (EoMPLS and VPLS)
> QOS per Sub interface\vlan on a ENNI
> Cost effect 10G Ports
> 100G Not required
>
>
> Looking at the
> ASR920's - Great box for 1G but not enough 10G Ports Only 4
> NCS5001/NCS5501 - New\unproven\probably buggy, Lacking some features & QOS
> issues :/
> ASR900 - Looks good, but was hoping for a smaller foot print. If I
> remember right the 8x10G Cards can't go in every slot.
>
> Any other platforms I should be looking at?
>
> Ciena, Brocade, Juniper?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Erik
>
> 
>
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10G MetroE 1-2U Switch

[Erik Sundberg]

Hey Nanog,

Looking for a new metroE Edge switch that has more that 10x 10G ports. I am 
having a hard time finding anything worthwhile without buying a full blown 
ASR9K Chassis or another vendor's chassis.

Requirements
MEF compliant
1-2U small foot print
10G Ports will be used for ENNI's and UNI Ports
Prefer MPLS support for L2VPN's (EoMPLS and VPLS)
QOS per Sub interface\vlan on a ENNI
Cost effect 10G Ports
100G Not required


Looking at the
ASR920's - Great box for 1G but not enough 10G Ports Only 4
NCS5001/NCS5501 - New\unproven\probably buggy, Lacking some features & QOS 
issues :/
ASR900 - Looks good, but was hoping for a smaller foot print. If I remember 
right the 8x10G Cards can't go in every slot.

Any other platforms I should be looking at?

Ciena, Brocade, Juniper?



Thanks in advance!

-Erik



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