RE: 10G switchrecommendaton
-Original Message- From: Brent Jones [mailto:br...@brentrjones.com] Sent: 27 January 2012 06:33 To: Rodrick Brown Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Rodrick Brown rodrick.br...@gmail.comwrote: Not to mention Arista's cli runs a busybox Linux inside! Sent from my iPhone Last I checked, Arista used Fedora Linux, with x86 dual-core CPUs and 4GB RAM. Their CLI was written in Python or Perl as well, and they encourage hacking it for cool new things. Based on this thread I has Arista in today for a show'n'tell and it is pretty impressive both in terms of features (features that you actually use) and pricing. So a couple of evals on the way... -- Leigh __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com __
Re: 10G switchrecommendaton
Cisco has finally release a new 10G switch, Catalyst 4500-X: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps12332/index.html Does anyone know the price range, or the FCS date for this ?
RE: 10G switchrecommendaton
Based on this thread I has Arista in today for a show'n'tell and it is pretty impressive both in terms of features (features that you actually use) and pricing. So a couple of evals on the way... -- Leigh It's pretty good gear. The only problem I've had with it is the limitation of IGMP not working on mLAG VLANs.
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On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Leigh Porter leigh.por...@ukbroadband.com wrote: Based on this thread I has Arista in today for a show'n'tell and it is pretty impressive both in terms of features (features that you actually use) and pricing. So a couple of evals on the way... Let us know how the eval goes if you would. Thanks, Elliot
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On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 7:24 AM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.com wrote: It's pretty good gear. The only problem I've had with it is the limitation of IGMP not working on mLAG VLANs. IGMP should work just fine with MLAG. IGMP state is sync'd between the MLAG pair. Happy to talk about this more off-list if you wish. cheers, lincoln. (l...@aristanetworks.com)
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Feb 9 07:42:21 SJC-AGS-01 IgmpSnooping: %IGMPSNOOPING-4-IGMPV3_UNSUPPORTED: IGMPv3 querier detected on interface Port-Channel1 (message repeated 34 times in 625.028 secs) SJC-AGS-01#sho ver Arista DCS-7124S-F Hardware version:06.02 Serial number: JSH10130054 System MAC address: 001c.7308.752f Software image version: 4.6.4 Architecture: i386 Internal build version: 4.6.4-434606.EOS464 Sure, we can discuss it. From: lincoln dale [mailto:l...@interlink.com.au] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 1:13 PM To: George Bonser Cc: Leigh Porter; nanog list Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 7:24 AM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.commailto:gbon...@seven.com wrote: It's pretty good gear. The only problem I've had with it is the limitation of IGMP not working on mLAG VLANs. IGMP should work just fine with MLAG. IGMP state is sync'd between the MLAG pair. Happy to talk about this more off-list if you wish. cheers, lincoln. (l...@aristanetworks.commailto:l...@aristanetworks.com)
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hi George, IGMPv3 snooping has been supported since EOS 4.7. Its enabled by default in EOS 4.8.x. In terms of specifics, there is support for both IGMPv3 snooping IGMPv3 querier. There isn't currently support for IGMPv3 snooping querier. cheers, lincoln. On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 8:17 AM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.com wrote: Feb 9 07:42:21 SJC-AGS-01 IgmpSnooping: %IGMPSNOOPING-4-IGMPV3_UNSUPPORTED: IGMPv3 querier detected on interface Port-Channel1 (message repeated 34 times in 625.028 secs) ** ** SJC-AGS-01#sho ver Arista DCS-7124S-F Hardware version:06.02 Serial number: JSH10130054 System MAC address: 001c.7308.752f ** ** Software image version: 4.6.4 Architecture: i386 Internal build version: 4.6.4-434606.EOS464 ** ** Sure, we can discuss it. ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* lincoln dale [mailto:l...@interlink.com.au] *Sent:* Thursday, February 09, 2012 1:13 PM *To:* George Bonser *Cc:* Leigh Porter; nanog list *Subject:* Re: 10G switchrecommendaton ** ** On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 7:24 AM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.com wrote: It's pretty good gear. The only problem I've had with it is the limitation of IGMP not working on mLAG VLANs. IGMP should work just fine with MLAG. IGMP state is sync'd between the MLAG pair. Happy to talk about this more off-list if you wish. cheers, lincoln. (l...@aristanetworks.com)
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Hi, Lincoln, *sigh* Ok, I see what happened. We just went through a software upgrade cycle on that unit and it got upgraded to the end of 4.6 instead of being upgraded to the latest release version of EOS. Looks like another upgrade needs to be done, probably to 4.8.3 Thanks. George From: lincoln dale [mailto:l...@interlink.com.au] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 1:47 PM To: George Bonser Cc: Leigh Porter; nanog list Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton hi George, IGMPv3 snooping has been supported since EOS 4.7. Its enabled by default in EOS 4.8.x. In terms of specifics, there is support for both IGMPv3 snooping IGMPv3 querier. There isn't currently support for IGMPv3 snooping querier. cheers, lincoln. On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 8:17 AM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.commailto:gbon...@seven.com wrote: Feb 9 07:42:21 SJC-AGS-01 IgmpSnooping: %IGMPSNOOPING-4-IGMPV3_UNSUPPORTED: IGMPv3 querier detected on interface Port-Channel1 (message repeated 34 times in 625.028 secs) SJC-AGS-01#sho ver Arista DCS-7124S-F Hardware version:06.02 Serial number: JSH10130054 System MAC address: 001c.7308.752f Software image version: 4.6.4 Architecture: i386 Internal build version: 4.6.4-434606.EOS464 Sure, we can discuss it. From: lincoln dale [mailto:l...@interlink.com.aumailto:l...@interlink.com.au] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 1:13 PM To: George Bonser Cc: Leigh Porter; nanog list Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 7:24 AM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.commailto:gbon...@seven.com wrote: It's pretty good gear. The only problem I've had with it is the limitation of IGMP not working on mLAG VLANs. IGMP should work just fine with MLAG. IGMP state is sync'd between the MLAG pair. Happy to talk about this more off-list if you wish. cheers, lincoln. (l...@aristanetworks.commailto:l...@aristanetworks.com)
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W dniu 2012-01-27 09:32, Erik Bais pisze: We have a full purple network, so my answer for this would be Extreme Networks. We have a few Black Diamond 8800. There is big problem with microburst, congestion. There is only 4MB buffers per slot allocated dynamicly. Extreme support said: make LAG or buy another switch. Maybe this switch will be ok as access but not core or aggregaitng. regards Piotr
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On Jan 29, 2012, at 5:27 PM, Joe Provo nanog-p...@rsuc.gweep.net wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 08:02:28PM -0200, Alvaro Pereira wrote: And note that the Juniper EX2500 does not run JUNOS, it is just an OEM box from someone else... Blade Networks, now IBM. If I remember correctly I believe Blade Networks licenses the same fulcrum ASIC's as the Arista's. Alvaro On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:23, Tim Vollebregt t...@interworx.nl wrote: 2,5MB shared approximately. Aggregating 10G with microbursts is definately a no-go on such box. -Tim On 27-01-12 12:33, James Braunegg wrote: How small is the buffer on the EX4500 ?? Kindest Regards James Braunegg W: 1300 769 972 | M: 0488 997 207 | D: (03) 9751 7616 E: james.braun...@micron21.com | ABN: 12 109 977 666 This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone other than the addressee. If you have received this message in error please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. -Original Message- From: Tim Vollebregt [mailto:t...@interworx.nl] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:35 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton I would not recommend EX4500 as an 10G aggregator switch, it has really small buffers. EX3300 as TOR EX82** as 10G aggregator -Tim On 26-01-12 22:13, Raul Rodriguez wrote: Juniper EX4500. -RR On 1/26/12, Deric Kwokderic.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE / NewNOG
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I would check out Extremes x670-48v they are very very affordable and have very low latency, We just bought a couple of them, And they do 40G module cards also. // Andreas -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Deric Kwok [mailto:deric.kwok2...@gmail.com] Skickat: den 26 januari 2012 21:21 Till: nanog list Ämne: 10G switchrecommendaton Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
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And note that the Juniper EX2500 does not run JUNOS, it is just an OEM box from someone else... Alvaro On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:23, Tim Vollebregt t...@interworx.nl wrote: 2,5MB shared approximately. Aggregating 10G with microbursts is definately a no-go on such box. -Tim On 27-01-12 12:33, James Braunegg wrote: How small is the buffer on the EX4500 ?? Kindest Regards James Braunegg W: 1300 769 972 | M: 0488 997 207 | D: (03) 9751 7616 E: james.braun...@micron21.com | ABN: 12 109 977 666 This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone other than the addressee. If you have received this message in error please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. -Original Message- From: Tim Vollebregt [mailto:t...@interworx.nl] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:35 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton I would not recommend EX4500 as an 10G aggregator switch, it has really small buffers. EX3300 as TOR EX82** as 10G aggregator -Tim On 26-01-12 22:13, Raul Rodriguez wrote: Juniper EX4500. -RR On 1/26/12, Deric Kwokderic.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
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On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 08:02:28PM -0200, Alvaro Pereira wrote: And note that the Juniper EX2500 does not run JUNOS, it is just an OEM box from someone else... Blade Networks, now IBM. Alvaro On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:23, Tim Vollebregt t...@interworx.nl wrote: 2,5MB shared approximately. Aggregating 10G with microbursts is definately a no-go on such box. -Tim On 27-01-12 12:33, James Braunegg wrote: How small is the buffer on the EX4500 ?? Kindest Regards James Braunegg W: 1300 769 972 | M: 0488 997 207 | D: (03) 9751 7616 E: james.braun...@micron21.com | ABN: 12 109 977 666 This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone other than the addressee. If you have received this message in error please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. -Original Message- From: Tim Vollebregt [mailto:t...@interworx.nl] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:35 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton I would not recommend EX4500 as an 10G aggregator switch, it has really small buffers. EX3300 as TOR EX82** as 10G aggregator -Tim On 26-01-12 22:13, Raul Rodriguez wrote: Juniper EX4500. -RR On 1/26/12, Deric Kwokderic.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE / NewNOG
Re: 10G switchrecommendaton
We have a full purple network, so my answer for this would be Extreme Networks. Check out the Lipis report on the X670 / x670v 48 port 10G 1U switches. vs other vendor equipment : http://www.extremenetworks.com/libraries/products/ExtremeX670V_Lippis%20Report_Fall.pdf Regards, Erik Bais Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op Jan 26, 2012 om 21:20 heeft Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
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I have experience with the Extreme's Alpine, Blackdiamond, x250, and x450 and i discovered that the command line is fairly different than Cisco, HP, or Dell. However, since they are a relatively small company with a small but strong customer base, their support is fairly good. I can't speak for 10G/40G implementations, but from my experiences, they support has a quick response time and they do quite a bit of lab replication to figure out the exact root cause. -Grant On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Erik Bais eb...@a2b-internet.com wrote: We have a full purple network, so my answer for this would be Extreme Networks. Check out the Lipis report on the X670 / x670v 48 port 10G 1U switches. vs other vendor equipment : http://www.extremenetworks.com/libraries/products/ExtremeX670V_Lippis%20Report_Fall.pdf Regards, Erik Bais Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op Jan 26, 2012 om 21:20 heeft Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
Re: 10G switchrecommendaton
I would not recommend EX4500 as an 10G aggregator switch, it has really small buffers. EX3300 as TOR EX82** as 10G aggregator -Tim On 26-01-12 22:13, Raul Rodriguez wrote: Juniper EX4500. -RR On 1/26/12, Deric Kwokderic.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
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I worked for Extreme, and I deployed a lot of X650 (24 10G ports) for DataCenter environment. The box is really good. In fact if you use the box at a layer 2 it is perfect, BUT DON'T use their BGP code, they never understood what is BGP :) Regards Fabien Le 27 janv. 2012 à 09:54, Grant Ridder a écrit : I have experience with the Extreme's Alpine, Blackdiamond, x250, and x450 and i discovered that the command line is fairly different than Cisco, HP, or Dell. However, since they are a relatively small company with a small but strong customer base, their support is fairly good. I can't speak for 10G/40G implementations, but from my experiences, they support has a quick response time and they do quite a bit of lab replication to figure out the exact root cause. -Grant On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Erik Bais eb...@a2b-internet.com wrote: We have a full purple network, so my answer for this would be Extreme Networks. Check out the Lipis report on the X670 / x670v 48 port 10G 1U switches. vs other vendor equipment : http://www.extremenetworks.com/libraries/products/ExtremeX670V_Lippis%20Report_Fall.pdf Regards, Erik Bais Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op Jan 26, 2012 om 21:20 heeft Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
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On 27 Jan 2012, at 10:21, Fabien Delmotte fdelmot...@mac.com wrote: I worked for Extreme, and I deployed a lot of X650 (24 10G ports) for DataCenter environment. The box is really good. In fact if you use the box at a layer 2 it is perfect, BUT DON'T use their BGP code, they never understood what is BGP :) Is that don't use for Internet facing full table BGP or do you include iBGP for say VPN as well? -- Leigh __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com __
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How small is the buffer on the EX4500 ?? Kindest Regards James Braunegg W: 1300 769 972 | M: 0488 997 207 | D: (03) 9751 7616 E: james.braun...@micron21.com | ABN: 12 109 977 666 This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone other than the addressee. If you have received this message in error please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. -Original Message- From: Tim Vollebregt [mailto:t...@interworx.nl] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:35 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton I would not recommend EX4500 as an 10G aggregator switch, it has really small buffers. EX3300 as TOR EX82** as 10G aggregator -Tim On 26-01-12 22:13, Raul Rodriguez wrote: Juniper EX4500. -RR On 1/26/12, Deric Kwokderic.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
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2,5MB shared approximately. Aggregating 10G with microbursts is definately a no-go on such box. -Tim On 27-01-12 12:33, James Braunegg wrote: How small is the buffer on the EX4500 ?? Kindest Regards James Braunegg W: 1300 769 972 | M: 0488 997 207 | D: (03) 9751 7616 E: james.braun...@micron21.com | ABN: 12 109 977 666 This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone other than the addressee. If you have received this message in error please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. -Original Message- From: Tim Vollebregt [mailto:t...@interworx.nl] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:35 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton I would not recommend EX4500 as an 10G aggregator switch, it has really small buffers. EX3300 as TOR EX82** as 10G aggregator -Tim On 26-01-12 22:13, Raul Rodriguez wrote: Juniper EX4500. -RR On 1/26/12, Deric Kwokderic.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
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I would like to point out that in my experience if you do a lot of coding/devops/automation work with SNMP extreme is a lot harder to work with than Cisco and some of their OIDs/MIBs produce unusual results. Thanks, -Drew -Original Message- From: Grant Ridder [mailto:shortdudey...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:54 AM To: Erik Bais Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton I have experience with the Extreme's Alpine, Blackdiamond, x250, and x450 and i discovered that the command line is fairly different than Cisco, HP, or Dell. However, since they are a relatively small company with a small but strong customer base, their support is fairly good. I can't speak for 10G/40G implementations, but from my experiences, they support has a quick response time and they do quite a bit of lab replication to figure out the exact root cause. -Grant On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Erik Bais eb...@a2b-internet.com wrote: We have a full purple network, so my answer for this would be Extreme Networks. Check out the Lipis report on the X670 / x670v 48 port 10G 1U switches. vs other vendor equipment : http://www.extremenetworks.com/libraries/products/ExtremeX670V_Lippis% 20Report_Fall.pdf Regards, Erik Bais Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op Jan 26, 2012 om 21:20 heeft Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
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Only for a full table BGP, in fact it is not able to learn a full BGP table. The X480 could do it, but it is very slow and they miss some features Fabien Le 27 janv. 2012 à 11:25, Leigh Porter a écrit : On 27 Jan 2012, at 10:21, Fabien Delmotte fdelmot...@mac.com wrote: I worked for Extreme, and I deployed a lot of X650 (24 10G ports) for DataCenter environment. The box is really good. In fact if you use the box at a layer 2 it is perfect, BUT DON'T use their BGP code, they never understood what is BGP :) Is that don't use for Internet facing full table BGP or do you include iBGP for say VPN as well? -- Leigh __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com __
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You can use BGP only for the default route no more :) forget a full view Le 27 janv. 2012 à 15:34, Fabien Delmotte a écrit : Only for a full table BGP, in fact it is not able to learn a full BGP table. The X480 could do it, but it is very slow and they miss some features Fabien Le 27 janv. 2012 à 11:25, Leigh Porter a écrit : On 27 Jan 2012, at 10:21, Fabien Delmotte fdelmot...@mac.com wrote: I worked for Extreme, and I deployed a lot of X650 (24 10G ports) for DataCenter environment. The box is really good. In fact if you use the box at a layer 2 it is perfect, BUT DON'T use their BGP code, they never understood what is BGP :) Is that don't use for Internet facing full table BGP or do you include iBGP for say VPN as well? -- Leigh __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com __
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Partially agree, Extreme has a quit good TCL implementation, and you can develop a lot of things around that. The system is able to reconfigure itself without external management console (SNMP) Fabien Le 27 janv. 2012 à 14:53, Drew Weaver a écrit : I would like to point out that in my experience if you do a lot of coding/devops/automation work with SNMP extreme is a lot harder to work with than Cisco and some of their OIDs/MIBs produce unusual results. Thanks, -Drew -Original Message- From: Grant Ridder [mailto:shortdudey...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:54 AM To: Erik Bais Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton I have experience with the Extreme's Alpine, Blackdiamond, x250, and x450 and i discovered that the command line is fairly different than Cisco, HP, or Dell. However, since they are a relatively small company with a small but strong customer base, their support is fairly good. I can't speak for 10G/40G implementations, but from my experiences, they support has a quick response time and they do quite a bit of lab replication to figure out the exact root cause. -Grant On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Erik Bais eb...@a2b-internet.com wrote: We have a full purple network, so my answer for this would be Extreme Networks. Check out the Lipis report on the X670 / x670v 48 port 10G 1U switches. vs other vendor equipment : http://www.extremenetworks.com/libraries/products/ExtremeX670V_Lippis% 20Report_Fall.pdf Regards, Erik Bais Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op Jan 26, 2012 om 21:20 heeft Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
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Hi, We like the purple too. But their licensing scheme is starting to get in our way. We're going to choose Brocade for a our new 10G Metro rings. ( Watch out for Brocade 10G licensing per set of ports... ) PS: OP you never told us for which application. Good luck. - Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443 On 01/27/12 03:32, Erik Bais wrote: We have a full purple network, so my answer for this would be Extreme Networks. Check out the Lipis report on the X670 / x670v 48 port 10G 1U switches. vs other vendor equipment : http://www.extremenetworks.com/libraries/products/ExtremeX670V_Lippis%20Report_Fall.pdf Regards, Erik Bais Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op Jan 26, 2012 om 21:20 heeft Deric Kwokderic.kwok2...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
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+1 Arista. -bn 0216331C On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Rodrick Brown rodrick.br...@gmail.comwrote: Not to mention Arista's cli runs a busybox Linux inside! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Tom Sands tsa...@rackspace.com wrote: Arista is good but depends on the application. They have some of the most Jr code but they are coming along with features fast. Weve chosen them for several applications when compared to Brocade, Cisco, Extreme, And Blade. There pricing is on par with the others. From: James Braunegg [james.braun...@micron21.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:27 PM To: Eddie Parra; Rodrick Brown Cc: nanog list Subject: RE: 10G switchrecommendaton Arista sounds interesting, although never knew of them ! How do they compare price wise / feature wise to Brocade / Juniper / Force10 ? That being said my preference is the S4810 - Force10 Kindest Regards James Braunegg W: 1300 769 972 | M: 0488 997 207 | D: (03) 9751 7616 E: james.braun...@micron21.com | ABN: 12 109 977 666 This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone other than the addressee. If you have received this message in error please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. -Original Message- From: Eddie Parra [mailto:e...@eddieparra.net] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:23 AM To: Rodrick Brown Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton +1 Arista -Eddie On Jan 26, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Rodrick Brown rodrick.br...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.aristanetworks.com/ Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
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Hi Fabien, I strongly have to disagree with you. We run a full bgp implementation on Extreme in our network and are very pleased with it and the support that we get from Extreme. One of our x480's we run has about 1.4 milj learned routes and another has around 200 bgp peers on the AMS-iX... So what is your point ? As an ex-Extreme employee making such strong statements, while you don't know the current status at customers, it may be best to ask who is using it and how, instead of acting like a grumpy ex-employee. Feel free to ask about our setup. Regards, Erik Bais Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op Jan 27, 2012 om 15:41 heeft Fabien Delmotte fdelmot...@mac.com het volgende geschreven: You can use BGP only for the default route no more :) forget a full view Le 27 janv. 2012 à 15:34, Fabien Delmotte a écrit : Only for a full table BGP, in fact it is not able to learn a full BGP table. The X480 could do it, but it is very slow and they miss some features Fabien Le 27 janv. 2012 à 11:25, Leigh Porter a écrit : On 27 Jan 2012, at 10:21, Fabien Delmotte fdelmot...@mac.com wrote: I worked for Extreme, and I deployed a lot of X650 (24 10G ports) for DataCenter environment. The box is really good. In fact if you use the box at a layer 2 it is perfect, BUT DON'T use their BGP code, they never understood what is BGP :) Is that don't use for Internet facing full table BGP or do you include iBGP for say VPN as well? -- Leigh __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com __
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I agree with the previous statement. The previous company i worked for had a pair of x450's with the full bgp internet routing table and they worked just fine. -Grant On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Erik Bais eb...@a2b-internet.com wrote: Hi Fabien, I strongly have to disagree with you. We run a full bgp implementation on Extreme in our network and are very pleased with it and the support that we get from Extreme. One of our x480's we run has about 1.4 milj learned routes and another has around 200 bgp peers on the AMS-iX... So what is your point ? As an ex-Extreme employee making such strong statements, while you don't know the current status at customers, it may be best to ask who is using it and how, instead of acting like a grumpy ex-employee. Feel free to ask about our setup. Regards, Erik Bais Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op Jan 27, 2012 om 15:41 heeft Fabien Delmotte fdelmot...@mac.com het volgende geschreven: You can use BGP only for the default route no more :) forget a full view Le 27 janv. 2012 à 15:34, Fabien Delmotte a écrit : Only for a full table BGP, in fact it is not able to learn a full BGP table. The X480 could do it, but it is very slow and they miss some features Fabien Le 27 janv. 2012 à 11:25, Leigh Porter a écrit : On 27 Jan 2012, at 10:21, Fabien Delmotte fdelmot...@mac.com wrote: I worked for Extreme, and I deployed a lot of X650 (24 10G ports) for DataCenter environment. The box is really good. In fact if you use the box at a layer 2 it is perfect, BUT DON'T use their BGP code, they never understood what is BGP :) Is that don't use for Internet facing full table BGP or do you include iBGP for say VPN as well? -- Leigh __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com __
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We have used both Arista and the LG-Ericsson switches, both have done very well, and both have a great $/value proposition. We use the Solarflare boards in an upcoming product ourselves, and they have been quite dependable, and again the performance is great. Just our 2 cents jim office: (888) 674-9001 x6101 email: j...@miltonsecurity.com http://www.miltonsecurity.com On Jan 26, 2012, at 10:30 PM, Brent Jones wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Rodrick Brown rodrick.br...@gmail.comwrote: Not to mention Arista's cli runs a busybox Linux inside! Sent from my iPhone Last I checked, Arista used Fedora Linux, with x86 dual-core CPUs and 4GB RAM. Their CLI was written in Python or Perl as well, and they encourage hacking it for cool new things. -- Brent Jones br...@brentrjones.com signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
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-Original Message- From: Fabien Delmotte Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 2:20 AM To: Grant Ridder Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton I worked for Extreme, and I deployed a lot of X650 (24 10G ports) for DataCenter environment. The box is really good. In fact if you use the box at a layer 2 it is perfect, BUT DON'T use their BGP code, they never understood what is BGP :) Regards Fabien A place I worked around 2000-ish was an Extreme shop. My perception at the time was that they were probably the best switch in the world at layer 2. I used BGP on the 1i and 5i products. The problem we had with them was when I asked when they were going to support multiple path BGP (as in the maximum-paths command for Cisco / Brocade). They told me at the time that they had no plans to support that option, it wasn't on the road map, and frankly, BGP was not a priority for them as they were concentrating on layer2 metro and data center features at the time. That meeting resulted in a call to Foundry and the eventual purchase of several BigIron switches. As the application was just plain IP routing, they worked great. I haven't used Extreme since so can't attest to their BGP feature set but my gut feeling seems to be the same ... great gear at layer 2 but layer 3 seems to be a back burner priority for them. I would have no problem using their gear in an office or data center but would have to take a good long look at it for internet peering/transit. Arista is really good gear and I use them for 10G aggregation from top of rack switches in an application where pods of connectivity are scattered about in various leased cages in a commercial data center. The TOR switches link to the Aristas in an MLAG configuration which might look like an end of row configuration. Those uplink to the core in another bit of space in the data center to keep the number of cross-connects down. Performance has so far been perfect, not so much as a glitch from those units. I've also recently deployed them as TOR switches for a 10G cluster of machines and would have chosen TurboIrons if they would stack or had MCT features. The benefit of the TurboIron, if they will work for you, is the lifetime warranty. No annual support cost is a huge deal. Arista is also lagging in layer 3 and ipv6 features, or were the last time I looked at them at layer 3. That might have changed recently. They had only recently come out with OSPF support on their chassis units. One question I would have re: deep buffers. It wouldn't seem to me to make much difference if you are buffering on the TOR switch or buffering on the host. If flow control is giving you problems, maybe you just need more buffering on the host or maybe you should just let tcp back off a bit and mitigate the congestion using the protocol. More buffering can sometimes cause more performance problems than it solves but depends on the application. If I have a lot of fan in such as several front end hosts taking to a few back end hosts, I generally try to ease that congestion by giving that back end host considerably more BW. Such as GigE from the front end hosts and 2x10G to the back end servers. For example, an Intel X520-T2 card with 2x10G RJ-45 ports to a pair of Aristas in an MLAG configuration works pretty well provided you use the latest Intel driver for the cards.
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http://www.aristanetworks.com/ Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
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Juniper EX4500. -RR On 1/26/12, Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
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Let's see how many vendors you get listed! I would go for Brocade. -- Leigh Porter On 26 Jan 2012, at 20:24, Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com __ __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com __
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+1 Arista -Eddie On Jan 26, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Rodrick Brown rodrick.br...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.aristanetworks.com/ Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
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Arista sounds interesting, although never knew of them ! How do they compare price wise / feature wise to Brocade / Juniper / Force10 ? That being said my preference is the S4810 - Force10 Kindest Regards James Braunegg W: 1300 769 972 | M: 0488 997 207 | D: (03) 9751 7616 E: james.braun...@micron21.com | ABN: 12 109 977 666 This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone other than the addressee. If you have received this message in error please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. -Original Message- From: Eddie Parra [mailto:e...@eddieparra.net] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:23 AM To: Rodrick Brown Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton +1 Arista -Eddie On Jan 26, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Rodrick Brown rodrick.br...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.aristanetworks.com/ Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
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Check out Arista's white papers on low-latency networking, the use of merchant silicon, and queueing theory applied to serialization delay. -Original Message- From: James Braunegg [mailto:james.braun...@micron21.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:28 PM To: Eddie Parra; Rodrick Brown Cc: nanog list Subject: RE: 10G switchrecommendaton Arista sounds interesting, although never knew of them ! How do they compare price wise / feature wise to Brocade / Juniper / Force10 ? That being said my preference is the S4810 - Force10 Kindest Regards James Braunegg W: 1300 769 972 | M: 0488 997 207 | D: (03) 9751 7616 E: james.braun...@micron21.com | ABN: 12 109 977 666 This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone other than the addressee. If you have received this message in error please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. -Original Message- From: Eddie Parra [mailto:e...@eddieparra.net] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:23 AM To: Rodrick Brown Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton +1 Arista -Eddie On Jan 26, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Rodrick Brown rodrick.br...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.aristanetworks.com/ Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you This communication, together with any attachments or embedded links, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential or legally protected. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, disclosure, copying, dissemination, distribution or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail message and delete the original and all copies of the communication, along with any attachments or embedded links, from your system.
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Arista is good but depends on the application. They have some of the most Jr code but they are coming along with features fast. Weve chosen them for several applications when compared to Brocade, Cisco, Extreme, And Blade. There pricing is on par with the others. From: James Braunegg [james.braun...@micron21.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:27 PM To: Eddie Parra; Rodrick Brown Cc: nanog list Subject: RE: 10G switchrecommendaton Arista sounds interesting, although never knew of them ! How do they compare price wise / feature wise to Brocade / Juniper / Force10 ? That being said my preference is the S4810 - Force10 Kindest Regards James Braunegg W: 1300 769 972 | M: 0488 997 207 | D: (03) 9751 7616 E: james.braun...@micron21.com | ABN: 12 109 977 666 This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone other than the addressee. If you have received this message in error please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. -Original Message- From: Eddie Parra [mailto:e...@eddieparra.net] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:23 AM To: Rodrick Brown Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton +1 Arista -Eddie On Jan 26, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Rodrick Brown rodrick.br...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.aristanetworks.com/ Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
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-Original Message- From: Eddie Parra Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:23 PM To: Rodrick Brown Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton +1 Arista -Eddie Good gear, I have some deployed with good results. I have some Brocade TurboIrons, too. Depends on what features you need.
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Not to mention Arista's cli runs a busybox Linux inside! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Tom Sands tsa...@rackspace.com wrote: Arista is good but depends on the application. They have some of the most Jr code but they are coming along with features fast. Weve chosen them for several applications when compared to Brocade, Cisco, Extreme, And Blade. There pricing is on par with the others. From: James Braunegg [james.braun...@micron21.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:27 PM To: Eddie Parra; Rodrick Brown Cc: nanog list Subject: RE: 10G switchrecommendaton Arista sounds interesting, although never knew of them ! How do they compare price wise / feature wise to Brocade / Juniper / Force10 ? That being said my preference is the S4810 - Force10 Kindest Regards James Braunegg W: 1300 769 972 | M: 0488 997 207 | D: (03) 9751 7616 E: james.braun...@micron21.com | ABN: 12 109 977 666 This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone other than the addressee. If you have received this message in error please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. -Original Message- From: Eddie Parra [mailto:e...@eddieparra.net] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:23 AM To: Rodrick Brown Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: 10G switchrecommendaton +1 Arista -Eddie On Jan 26, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Rodrick Brown rodrick.br...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.aristanetworks.com/ Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I would like to have 10G switchrecommendaton Ipref software can test around 9.2G but we can have congestion over 6G in single port! Thank you
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On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Rodrick Brown rodrick.br...@gmail.comwrote: Not to mention Arista's cli runs a busybox Linux inside! Sent from my iPhone Last I checked, Arista used Fedora Linux, with x86 dual-core CPUs and 4GB RAM. Their CLI was written in Python or Perl as well, and they encourage hacking it for cool new things. -- Brent Jones br...@brentrjones.com
