Cablevision's company line on IPv6 to the home

2011-05-28 Thread Greg Ihnen
I just got off the phone with a level 1 tech support guy about an issue with my 
parents Cablevision/Optimum Online service and decided to ask the fellow if 
there's any official company news about IPv6 being in the works. His comments 
were that there is a test coming up (he was referring to World IPv6 Day), 
though he admitted that Cablevision is choosing not to participate in the 
"test" because they want to wait to see that IPv6 actually works without 
problems before they turn it on. He said it with a tone that seemed to express 
that the World IPv6 Day "test" is an irresponsible diversion. I politely and 
without any noticeable condescension (I believe) told him "that's what I 
expected" and bid him adieu.

It's neat how they're going to skip that irresponsible testing phase and just 
turn it on one day and it's going to work perfectly.

And I wonder how they'll know when IPv6 is done. Maybe is has one of those 
things that frozen turkeys have, that pops out when it's done.

I've got my HE tunnels up and running on a Mikrotik hardware on the little 
networks I manage. I can't wait for IPv6 Day.

So someone on the list please let Cablevision/Optonline know when you've 
finished IPv6. I'm sure they'd appreciate it.

Greg


Re: Cablevision's company line on IPv6 to the home

2011-05-28 Thread Scott Morris
Since IPv6 is like a frozen turkey

Just make sure they remember to take the giblets out... Based on
personal...  u...   "experience"...  that will drastically change
when something (if ever) gets done!

;)

Scott

On 5/28/11 4:21 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
> I just got off the phone with a level 1 tech support guy about an issue with 
> my parents Cablevision/Optimum Online service and decided to ask the fellow 
> if there's any official company news about IPv6 being in the works. His 
> comments were that there is a test coming up (he was referring to World IPv6 
> Day), though he admitted that Cablevision is choosing not to participate in 
> the "test" because they want to wait to see that IPv6 actually works without 
> problems before they turn it on. He said it with a tone that seemed to 
> express that the World IPv6 Day "test" is an irresponsible diversion. I 
> politely and without any noticeable condescension (I believe) told him 
> "that's what I expected" and bid him adieu.
>
> It's neat how they're going to skip that irresponsible testing phase and just 
> turn it on one day and it's going to work perfectly.
>
> And I wonder how they'll know when IPv6 is done. Maybe is has one of those 
> things that frozen turkeys have, that pops out when it's done.
>
> I've got my HE tunnels up and running on a Mikrotik hardware on the little 
> networks I manage. I can't wait for IPv6 Day.
>
> So someone on the list please let Cablevision/Optonline know when you've 
> finished IPv6. I'm sure they'd appreciate it.
>
> Greg
>
>




Re: Cablevision's company line on IPv6 to the home

2011-05-28 Thread Phil Bedard
Cablevision (AS6128) does have globally routable IPv6 space
(2001:48a0::/32), but I'm not sure what they are doing with it just yet.
I'm sure a Level 1 tech support individual is not the company spokesman on
IPv6, or anything else.



-Phil






On 5/28/11 4:21 PM, "Greg Ihnen"  wrote:

>I just got off the phone with a level 1 tech support guy about an issue
>with my parents Cablevision/Optimum Online service and decided to ask the
>fellow if there's any official company news about IPv6 being in the
>works. His comments were that there is a test coming up (he was referring
>to World IPv6 Day), though he admitted that Cablevision is choosing not
>to participate in the "test" because they want to wait to see that IPv6
>actually works without problems before they turn it on. He said it with a
>tone that seemed to express that the World IPv6 Day "test" is an
>irresponsible diversion. I politely and without any noticeable
>condescension (I believe) told him "that's what I expected" and bid him
>adieu.
>
>It's neat how they're going to skip that irresponsible testing phase and
>just turn it on one day and it's going to work perfectly.
>
>And I wonder how they'll know when IPv6 is done. Maybe is has one of
>those things that frozen turkeys have, that pops out when it's done.
>
>I've got my HE tunnels up and running on a Mikrotik hardware on the
>little networks I manage. I can't wait for IPv6 Day.
>
>So someone on the list please let Cablevision/Optonline know when you've
>finished IPv6. I'm sure they'd appreciate it.
>
>Greg





Re: Cablevision's company line on IPv6 to the home

2011-05-30 Thread Bob Snyder
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> I just got off the phone with a level 1 tech support guy about an issue with 
> my parents Cablevision/Optimum Online service and decided to ask the fellow 
> if there's any official company news about IPv6 being in the works. His 
> comments were that there is a test coming up (he was referring to World IPv6 
> Day), though he admitted that Cablevision is choosing not to participate in 
> the "test" because they want to wait to see that IPv6 actually works without 
> problems before they turn it on. He said it with a tone that seemed to 
> express that the World IPv6 Day "test" is an irresponsible diversion. I 
> politely and without any noticeable condescension (I believe) told him 
> "that's what I expected" and bid him adieu.
>
> It's neat how they're going to skip that irresponsible testing phase and just 
> turn it on one day and it's going to work perfectly.

Because when I want to know details of future major architectural
changes to a network, I usually ask a level 1 tech support guy since
he's the one most likely to know, right?

He'll know it's being rolled out when they create a script for him to
follow. One that'll likely say something like "For IPv6 problems,
immediately escalate to someone we've actually training in IPv6."

Bob



Re: Cablevision's company line on IPv6 to the home

2011-05-30 Thread Greg Ihnen
On May 30, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Bob Snyder wrote:

> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
>> I just got off the phone with a level 1 tech support guy about an issue with 
>> my parents Cablevision/Optimum Online service and decided to ask the fellow 
>> if there's any official company news about IPv6 being in the works. His 
>> comments were that there is a test coming up (he was referring to World IPv6 
>> Day), though he admitted that Cablevision is choosing not to participate in 
>> the "test" because they want to wait to see that IPv6 actually works without 
>> problems before they turn it on. He said it with a tone that seemed to 
>> express that the World IPv6 Day "test" is an irresponsible diversion. I 
>> politely and without any noticeable condescension (I believe) told him 
>> "that's what I expected" and bid him adieu.
>> 
>> It's neat how they're going to skip that irresponsible testing phase and 
>> just turn it on one day and it's going to work perfectly.
> 
> Because when I want to know details of future major architectural
> changes to a network, I usually ask a level 1 tech support guy since
> he's the one most likely to know, right?

Should I answer that? No, that was sarcasm. Nice touch.

See my post where I address the fact that I wanted to know what the company's 
official public position is, as you said, the "script". In that post I mention 
I qualified the fact that the fellow was level 1 for obvious reasons. I wasn't 
trying to say he had technical insight. The official script does possibly say 
something about the company's desire/willingness/urgency/felt need to deploy 
IPv6. Does hearing that there's fast and furious work going on in the NOC to 
bring IPv6 capability mean it will be rolled out to the customer in short 
order? I'd say the answer to that is "who knows".

It's not an apples to apples comparison with Cablevision's territory but down 
in my neck of the woods where I live the guys who work the telco's switch in 
town have been telling me for years that the "banda ancha" (broadband) gear is 
all installed as is the fiber back to the capitol and they're just waiting for 
the bureaucratic "OK" to turn it on. They've cut grooves in the town's 
"perimetral" (perimeter) road and ran fiber in the road ringing the town. That 
was almost two years ago. Sure seems like broadband could be just around the 
corner right? And the years drag on, no broadband. Sometimes the company's 
official public stance (from like... um... the level 1 guys) is highly 
indicative of what's coming.

I'm surprised that all ISPs aren't trying to glom onto IPv6 the way so many 
companies now feel the need to claim to be "green" just because you don't want 
to be the last one in your market place not claiming to be "green".

Then again, maybe you're just trolling. For trolling I like a Rapala lure 
(negative buoyancy) or live bait with a weight.

Here in the jungle they take an empty jug, tie a line on it and put a big hook 
on the end with some kind of meat or fish and throw them out in the river and 
them float down river with the current, mostly for the big catfish. It's the 
lazy man's trolling.

Greg

> He'll know it's being rolled out when they create a script for him to
> follow. One that'll likely say something like "For IPv6 problems,
> immediately escalate to someone we've actually training in IPv6."
> 
> Bob
> 




Re: Cablevision's company line on IPv6 to the home

2011-05-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> I just got off the phone with a level 1 tech support guy about an issue with 
> my parents Cablevision/Optimum Online service and decided to ask the fellow 
> if there's any official company news about IPv6 being in the works. His 
> comments

comments from techsupport aside.. the cablevision folks did have 2-3
folks at ARIN in ... SanJuan (I think?) who were very interested and
dedicated to pushing v6 to their consumer population. I think they (as
well as every other consumer provider) have a lot of challenges in the
last-mile architecture/etc, but they do seem dedicated to solving
things for users.

I think the gentlemen I ended up chatting with from CV was commenting
on PPML as well at the time... I'm sure a quick perusal of that list
would get you his POC info for queries... which are more likely to get
useful answers than nanog posts will.

-chris