Re: Juniper vMX Trial - fake news?

[heasley]

Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 01:29:41PM -0500, Matt Harris:
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 1:23 PM Daryl G. Jurbala 
> wrote:
> 
> > The last time I worked with vMX was several years ago.  The image was
> > outdated to the point of having to fire up an older version of VMWare to
> > export the two VMs so I could import them back into 6.  The
> > documentation barely existed.  I had to figure out which vmware adapters
> > corresponded to which vMX adapters.  No one really seemed to be able to
> > help at Juniper, even though we ended up licensing the things so we were
> > "real" customers of this product.
> >
> > It looked a lot lot an abandoned project.  So unless something has
> > changed in the last few years it's not looking good.
> >
> 
> Interesting. I haven't had an opportunity to try vMX because of its lack of
> Hyper-V support, but we do run vSRX in production quite a bit including
> junos versions from 17.x up to 21.x. It's kind of janky on Hyper-V but
> works overall (the main issue being very very long boot times - 15+ minutes
> to get up and running), but we also run it on KVM on Linux with the "vSRX3"
> images, and that works a lot better. The vSRX3 images on KVM, I personally
> haven't run into any issues with. The licensing costs are pretty
> reasonable, too, imho.
> 
> Good luck with what you're trying to accomplish: maybe give the vSRX series
> a shot if you're running on KVM.

vMX has not been abandoned; latest I have is 20.2B1, obviously not the
current relaease.  It works well on esxi, though I am not sure if this is
officially supported yet, and is no longer slow to boot or sync with the
vfpc.

afaiu, vfpc adapters are mgmt, vRE/vfpc internal, intf1 ...
vRE adapaters are mgmt, vRE/vfpx internal.

vSRX is a different animal, afaik.

Contact your sales rep for eval license if the webform isnt working.

Re: Juniper vMX Trial - fake news?

[Thomas Scott]

+1 for cRPD
- Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com


On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 2:42 PM Tom Beecher  wrote:

> cRPD is a pretty nifty product as well. Some interesting little tricks you
> can do with that.
>
> (Although I don't think they free trial that, those licenses are quite
> reasonable as well. )
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 2:34 PM Matt Harris  wrote:
>
>> Matt Harris​
>> | Infrastructure Lead
>> 816‑256‑5446
>> | Direct
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>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 1:23 PM Daryl G. Jurbala 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The last time I worked with vMX was several years ago.  The image was
>>> outdated to the point of having to fire up an older version of VMWare to
>>> export the two VMs so I could import them back into 6.  The
>>> documentation barely existed.  I had to figure out which vmware adapters
>>> corresponded to which vMX adapters.  No one really seemed to be able to
>>> help at Juniper, even though we ended up licensing the things so we were
>>> "real" customers of this product.
>>>
>>> It looked a lot lot an abandoned project.  So unless something has
>>> changed in the last few years it's not looking good.
>>>
>>
>> Interesting. I haven't had an opportunity to try vMX because of its lack
>> of Hyper-V support, but we do run vSRX in production quite a bit including
>> junos versions from 17.x up to 21.x. It's kind of janky on Hyper-V but
>> works overall (the main issue being very very long boot times - 15+ minutes
>> to get up and running), but we also run it on KVM on Linux with the "vSRX3"
>> images, and that works a lot better. The vSRX3 images on KVM, I personally
>> haven't run into any issues with. The licensing costs are pretty
>> reasonable, too, imho.
>>
>> Good luck with what you're trying to accomplish: maybe give the vSRX
>> series a shot if you're running on KVM.
>>
>>  - mdh
>>
>>

Re: Juniper vMX Trial - fake news?

[Tom Beecher]

cRPD is a pretty nifty product as well. Some interesting little tricks you
can do with that.

(Although I don't think they free trial that, those licenses are quite
reasonable as well. )

On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 2:34 PM Matt Harris  wrote:

> Matt Harris​
> | Infrastructure Lead
> 816‑256‑5446
> | Direct
> Looking for help?
> *Helpdesk* 
> | *Email Support* 
>
> We build customized end‑to‑end technology solutions powered by NetFire Cloud.
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 1:23 PM Daryl G. Jurbala 
> wrote:
>
>> The last time I worked with vMX was several years ago.  The image was
>> outdated to the point of having to fire up an older version of VMWare to
>> export the two VMs so I could import them back into 6.  The
>> documentation barely existed.  I had to figure out which vmware adapters
>> corresponded to which vMX adapters.  No one really seemed to be able to
>> help at Juniper, even though we ended up licensing the things so we were
>> "real" customers of this product.
>>
>> It looked a lot lot an abandoned project.  So unless something has
>> changed in the last few years it's not looking good.
>>
>
> Interesting. I haven't had an opportunity to try vMX because of its lack
> of Hyper-V support, but we do run vSRX in production quite a bit including
> junos versions from 17.x up to 21.x. It's kind of janky on Hyper-V but
> works overall (the main issue being very very long boot times - 15+ minutes
> to get up and running), but we also run it on KVM on Linux with the "vSRX3"
> images, and that works a lot better. The vSRX3 images on KVM, I personally
> haven't run into any issues with. The licensing costs are pretty
> reasonable, too, imho.
>
> Good luck with what you're trying to accomplish: maybe give the vSRX
> series a shot if you're running on KVM.
>
>  - mdh
>
>

Re: Juniper vMX Trial - fake news?

[Jason Biel]

Jon,

Contact me off list with your business email and I'll look into it.

On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 1:24 PM Daryl G. Jurbala 
wrote:

> The last time I worked with vMX was several years ago.  The image was
> outdated to the point of having to fire up an older version of VMWare to
> export the two VMs so I could import them back into 6.  The
> documentation barely existed.  I had to figure out which vmware adapters
> corresponded to which vMX adapters.  No one really seemed to be able to
> help at Juniper, even though we ended up licensing the things so we were
> "real" customers of this product.
>
> It looked a lot lot an abandoned project.  So unless something has
> changed in the last few years it's not looking good.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jon Sands" 
> To: "nanog" 
> Sent: 3/14/2022 14:09:46
> Subject: Juniper vMX Trial - fake news?
>
> >Has anyone here actually been granted a vMX trial to demo the thing?
> Their page makes it seem dead simple (
> https://www.juniper.net/us/en/dm/vmx-trial-download.html) - just request
> an account and/or trial and you're off to the races with a 60 day temp
> license. I've had two customers now asking me if vMX would be a fit for
> them and my honest answer is I have no clue, because I've been completely
> ignored by Juniper the two times I've tried to trial the thing.
> >
> >Spoke to two different colleagues within the past ~6mo who had the exact
> same experience - sent in a trial request, zero response, not even a
> denial. I suppose Juniper isn't interested in selling these any longer?
> It's not like we're signing up with hotmail accounts either, myself and my
> colleagues have used our business emails that pull up as admin/PoCs on 4 or
> 5 unique ASNs. I'm not sure what more Juniper wants, but I can find reports
> of the same behavior from Juniper going back 6 years regarding vMX trials:
> >
> >https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2016-April/085229.html
> >
> >https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2016-April/085231.html
> >
> >I've been denigrated to downloading some ancient eval version from a
> stranger's google drive I found in a search result, not much of it is
> matching up with Juniper's current documentation, but I suppose this is the
> experience they prefer potential customers to have :P
> >
> >-- Jon Sands
> >MFI Labs
> >https://fohdeesha.com/
> >
>
>

-- 
Jason

Re: Juniper vMX Trial - fake news?

[Matt Harris]

On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 1:23 PM Daryl G. Jurbala 
wrote:

> The last time I worked with vMX was several years ago.  The image was
> outdated to the point of having to fire up an older version of VMWare to
> export the two VMs so I could import them back into 6.  The
> documentation barely existed.  I had to figure out which vmware adapters
> corresponded to which vMX adapters.  No one really seemed to be able to
> help at Juniper, even though we ended up licensing the things so we were
> "real" customers of this product.
>
> It looked a lot lot an abandoned project.  So unless something has
> changed in the last few years it's not looking good.
>

Interesting. I haven't had an opportunity to try vMX because of its lack of
Hyper-V support, but we do run vSRX in production quite a bit including
junos versions from 17.x up to 21.x. It's kind of janky on Hyper-V but
works overall (the main issue being very very long boot times - 15+ minutes
to get up and running), but we also run it on KVM on Linux with the "vSRX3"
images, and that works a lot better. The vSRX3 images on KVM, I personally
haven't run into any issues with. The licensing costs are pretty
reasonable, too, imho.

Good luck with what you're trying to accomplish: maybe give the vSRX series
a shot if you're running on KVM.

 - mdh

Matt Harris|Infrastructure Lead
816-256-5446|Direct
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Helpdesk|Email Support
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Re: Juniper vMX Trial - fake news?

[Tom Beecher]

>
> It looked a lot lot an abandoned project.  So unless something has
> changed in the last few years it's not looking good.
>

It's absolutely not abandoned. There have been vMX images up for download
for every mainline Junos revision since at least 18.2 that I can recall.
The documentation can be sparse at times, but didn't seem to take much
effort to figure it out.


On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 2:24 PM Daryl G. Jurbala 
wrote:

> The last time I worked with vMX was several years ago.  The image was
> outdated to the point of having to fire up an older version of VMWare to
> export the two VMs so I could import them back into 6.  The
> documentation barely existed.  I had to figure out which vmware adapters
> corresponded to which vMX adapters.  No one really seemed to be able to
> help at Juniper, even though we ended up licensing the things so we were
> "real" customers of this product.
>
> It looked a lot lot an abandoned project.  So unless something has
> changed in the last few years it's not looking good.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jon Sands" 
> To: "nanog" 
> Sent: 3/14/2022 14:09:46
> Subject: Juniper vMX Trial - fake news?
>
> >Has anyone here actually been granted a vMX trial to demo the thing?
> Their page makes it seem dead simple (
> https://www.juniper.net/us/en/dm/vmx-trial-download.html) - just request
> an account and/or trial and you're off to the races with a 60 day temp
> license. I've had two customers now asking me if vMX would be a fit for
> them and my honest answer is I have no clue, because I've been completely
> ignored by Juniper the two times I've tried to trial the thing.
> >
> >Spoke to two different colleagues within the past ~6mo who had the exact
> same experience - sent in a trial request, zero response, not even a
> denial. I suppose Juniper isn't interested in selling these any longer?
> It's not like we're signing up with hotmail accounts either, myself and my
> colleagues have used our business emails that pull up as admin/PoCs on 4 or
> 5 unique ASNs. I'm not sure what more Juniper wants, but I can find reports
> of the same behavior from Juniper going back 6 years regarding vMX trials:
> >
> >https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2016-April/085229.html
> >
> >https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2016-April/085231.html
> >
> >I've been denigrated to downloading some ancient eval version from a
> stranger's google drive I found in a search result, not much of it is
> matching up with Juniper's current documentation, but I suppose this is the
> experience they prefer potential customers to have :P
> >
> >-- Jon Sands
> >MFI Labs
> >https://fohdeesha.com/
> >
>
>

Re: Juniper vMX Trial - fake news?

[Daryl G. Jurbala]

The last time I worked with vMX was several years ago.  The image was 
outdated to the point of having to fire up an older version of VMWare to 
export the two VMs so I could import them back into 6.  The 
documentation barely existed.  I had to figure out which vmware adapters 
corresponded to which vMX adapters.  No one really seemed to be able to 
help at Juniper, even though we ended up licensing the things so we were 
"real" customers of this product.


It looked a lot lot an abandoned project.  So unless something has 
changed in the last few years it's not looking good.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Sands" 
To: "nanog" 
Sent: 3/14/2022 14:09:46
Subject: Juniper vMX Trial - fake news?


Has anyone here actually been granted a vMX trial to demo the thing? Their page 
makes it seem dead simple 
(https://www.juniper.net/us/en/dm/vmx-trial-download.html) - just request an 
account and/or trial and you're off to the races with a 60 day temp license. 
I've had two customers now asking me if vMX would be a fit for them and my 
honest answer is I have no clue, because I've been completely ignored by 
Juniper the two times I've tried to trial the thing.

Spoke to two different colleagues within the past ~6mo who had the exact same 
experience - sent in a trial request, zero response, not even a denial. I 
suppose Juniper isn't interested in selling these any longer? It's not like 
we're signing up with hotmail accounts either, myself and my colleagues have 
used our business emails that pull up as admin/PoCs on 4 or 5 unique ASNs. I'm 
not sure what more Juniper wants, but I can find reports of the same behavior 
from Juniper going back 6 years regarding vMX trials:

https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2016-April/085229.html

https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2016-April/085231.html

I've been denigrated to downloading some ancient eval version from a stranger's 
google drive I found in a search result, not much of it is matching up with 
Juniper's current documentation, but I suppose this is the experience they 
prefer potential customers to have :P

-- Jon Sands
MFI Labs
https://fohdeesha.com/

Juniper vMX Trial - fake news?

[Jon Sands]

Has anyone here actually been granted a vMX trial to demo the thing? 
Their page makes it seem dead simple 
(https://www.juniper.net/us/en/dm/vmx-trial-download.html) - just 
request an account and/or trial and you're off to the races with a 60 
day temp license. I've had two customers now asking me if vMX would be a 
fit for them and my honest answer is I have no clue, because I've been 
completely ignored by Juniper the two times I've tried to trial the thing.


Spoke to two different colleagues within the past ~6mo who had the exact 
same experience - sent in a trial request, zero response, not even a 
denial. I suppose Juniper isn't interested in selling these any longer? 
It's not like we're signing up with hotmail accounts either, myself and 
my colleagues have used our business emails that pull up as admin/PoCs 
on 4 or 5 unique ASNs. I'm not sure what more Juniper wants, but I can 
find reports of the same behavior from Juniper going back 6 years 
regarding vMX trials:


https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2016-April/085229.html

https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2016-April/085231.html

I've been denigrated to downloading some ancient eval version from a 
stranger's google drive I found in a search result, not much of it is 
matching up with Juniper's current documentation, but I suppose this is 
the experience they prefer potential customers to have :P


--
Jon Sands
MFI Labs
https://fohdeesha.com/