Re: [Nanog-futures] default routes question or any way to do the rebundant
[ moved to futures ] Are you seriously going to sit there and claim that someone asking about how to set up 2 default routes on a FreeBSD box is operationally or technically relevant to the NANOG community at large? no. because, due to our diversity (which i think is a good thing), nothing is relevant to the nanog community *at large*. in this case it was a routing question about a commonly used platform. and one which is generalizable to other platforms. if this does not belong on nanog, we should all go home. I personally think NANOG has enough noise as it is. then perhaps you should be sending your spankings as private email? randy ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] default routes question or any way to do the rebundant
Are you seriously going to sit there and claim that someone asking about how to set up 2 default routes on a FreeBSD box is operationally or technically relevant to the NANOG community at large? You honestly, truly believe that how do I add two default routes to FreeBSD is a relevant question on this mailing list? You honestly, truly believe that doing technical support for someone who doesn't understand MTU issues and who clearly hasn't bothered to try looking for an answer on Google is a good idea? If you do then I'm at a loss. no. because, due to our diversity (which i think is a good thing), nothing is relevant to the nanog community *at large*. NANOG is for large network oeprators- (From the NANOG pages quoting John Hawkinson: (at least, for North American Networks that are Large, which is what NANOG is for)). If the focus of this list has changed then perhaps the NANOG folks should update their AUP and descriptive explanations of what relevant. in this case it was a routing question about a commonly used platform. and one which is generalizable to other platforms. if this does not belong on nanog, we should all go home. Cisco is a commonly used platform and anyone who asks a question about Cisco is told to go ask on a Cisco list. This person was asking a basic question about two default routes that anyone dealing with the sort of networks NANOG folks deal with should not need to ask. And do you really think their MTU question had any place on this list? There was nothing about this persons question that was relevant to large network operators. If you want NANOG to become the go to list for people who don't understand basic networking then I will happily go home. then perhaps you should be sending your spankings as private email? Funny- my first response was polite, and suggested that this was the wrong forum and that they should ask the FreeBSD folks. You're subsequent snide remarks were the first public spanking. Perhaps you should have sent those privately. -Don ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] default routes question or any way to do the rebundant
Donald Stahl wrote: The original question was whether basic networking questions not relevant to large network operators were on topic for NANOG. Specifically whether basic questions about MTU on a home DSL connection, or how to add multiple default routes to FreeBSD (both by the same person in separate posts) are sensible topics of conversation for the NANOG list. Tweak that a bit: I'd say we're discussing whether networking questions on the level of a network operator's customers are on-topic for NANOG. pt ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] default routes question or any way to do the rebundant
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 06:20:08PM -0400, Donald Stahl wrote: Do you walk up to a master carpenter and ask him to teach you everything he knows without so much as doing a little research first? Of course not. Do you throw together a network without reading a manual and then demand that the manufacturer fix things that don't work because you didn't read the manual? Of course not. The curmudgeonly, sarcastic side of me wants to agree with this. The side that remembers George Goble explaining to me what an inode is as I was struggling to understand research Unix v6 thinks that maybe we should not listen to my curmudgeonly, sarcastic side. (George is also responsible for rsk because he couldn't spell kulawiec reliably.) We don't see many of these questions on NANOG (as opposed to others lists where they're a daily occurence). I think if they're as sporadic as they appear to be, that what we saw today -- a handful of answers including pointers for further readying -- will suffice to answer the question, partially educate someone (maybe even someone who didn't asks the question) and alleviate the need to worry about it. ---Rsk ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] default routes question or any way to do the rebundant
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008, Rich Kulawiec wrote: We don't see many of these questions on NANOG (as opposed to others lists where they're a daily occurence). I think if they're as sporadic as they appear to be, that what we saw today -- a handful of answers including pointers for further readying -- will suffice to answer the question, partially educate someone (maybe even someone who didn't asks the question) and alleviate the need to worry about it. I'd rather see a clueful response here to an occasionally newbie-ish question than the blind leading the blind I see on other lists/forums. (Ever sat down and read the CCNA-topic-related Cisco Netpro forums? Christ.) Adrian ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] default routes question or any way to do the rebundant
(argh,mail list ... grr, wrong address...) On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Christopher Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Adrian Chadd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd rather see a clueful response here to an occasionally newbie-ish question than the blind leading the blind I see on other lists/forums. thanks actually... It's helpful to everyone (or that's the hope, because then the people asking do things 'better' instead of 'redistribute connected' and 'all done!') to educate when we can, I think... Sometimes people get up on the wrong side of the bed, it'd be helpful to just delete the message instead of flame back at it I think. -Chris ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] default routes question or any way to do the rebundant
Michael Smith wrote: how about we all agree to politely sent the new member to http://www.nanog.org/listfaq.html when it's obvious they are asking questions that could be better answered elsewhere? i hope all my competitors treat their new customers that way. how about o if it is at all ops related, and you know the answer, answer it o and, iff you have answered it, and know of where better help in the subject area is available, politely point? as one kind soul actually did randy ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
