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unsubscribe -christian -Original Message- From: Scott Weeks [mailto:sur...@mauigateway.com] Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:47 PM To: nanog-futures@nanog.org Subject: Re: [Nanog-futures] IPv6 and Home user allocations This isn't the right list, so I don't want to clutter. However, I do want to answer you and I don't want to start something big on the main list. --- trej...@gmail.com wrote: From: TJ trej...@gmail.com I believe that is because ARIN is encouraging /56s for home-users. Actually, they're forcing me to do this by the allocation practice. -- Also, they should have reserved (IIRC) a /30 that they allocated your /32 out of - so you still have contiguous room to grow. ... giving you 512k /48s ... so yes, you would be just one global routing entry. -- Yes, they reserved more addresses, but I currently have over 100,000 DSL users with telephone numbers, more 'naked' DSL customers (no TN), well over 500,000 telephone numbers in total, lots of larger leased line customers, like universities, gov't and banks, and I tried to look far into the future and assure I only put one entry into BGP while giving everyone a /48. As far as handing out /48s to everyone, the amount reserved barely covers the number of telephone lines we have. The amount allocated does not even come close to covering just my DSL customers. Maybe ILECs (I'm with Hawaiian Telcom at present) are in negative growth at this time, but who's to say this doesn't change dramatically in the future as many things in this industry do? facetiousAlso, I thought the space was so big, it doesn't matter./facetious - Also^2, might I ask - did you attempt to request/justify more? After all, /32 is the standard ISP allocation ... - Yes, I tried to get many more. I was totally shot down in size by a LOT. As I said, this was just allocated today. I sent email to ARIN explaining what I'm writing to you folks. - I wouldn't say they should stop, I would say (if they believe /48s to the home are the correct answer) they should speak louder @ ARIN. Until that changes (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2081/2280277319_15ee13787d.jpg?v=0) the folks that know better should stop, so the newer folks like me don't spend too much time trying to follow what's being stated on the list. scott -- ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures QUALITY TECHNOLOGY SERVICES CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message including its attachments is classified COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL. It is intended for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential material. Quality Technology Services controls the distribution of COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL assets, as such, any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact us at i...@qualitytech.com or 866-239-5000 and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Can we stop the Intercage discussion mess now?
Agreed. I've disabled nanog-l delivery until the nonsense stops. It's just flat out annoying now -Christian -Original Message- From: Pete Templin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 2:46 PM To: Nanog Futures Subject: [Nanog-futures] Can we stop the Intercage discussion mess now? Hundreds of messages, each to roughly 10,000 subscribers, when the network has but a few upstreams. It's been old for days, can we please find a way to intervene and bring this to a stop? 9,800 of the subscribers shouldn't all have to filter it out. I for one don't want my NANOG conference fees going towards the resources necessary to sustain this crazy discussion. pt ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the NANOG Problem...
43 was my first nanog - needless to say, majority of the people attending were on laptops not paying attention to the presenter. We all have jobs, but if you can't leave your job for a few days w/o needing to be in front of your computer doing _something_ , send someone else to the conference who will benefit from the material being discussed... Surely I understand situations arise where you have to fire up your vpn and do something, and that's foreseeable, but if you're going to just go to the con to be on your laptop all day, what is the point? ck -- Christian Koch Sr. Network Engineer 95 Christopher Columbus Drive Jersey City, NJ 07302 Direct:212/334.8551 Mobile:917/346.6133 -Original Message- From: Philip Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nanog-futures@nanog.org nanog-futures@nanog.org Sent: Mon Jul 14 22:52:44 2008 Subject: Re: [Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the NANOG Problem... Robert Seastrom said the following on 7/7/08 05:16: It seems that Bhutan is having trouble with web surfing and gaming during their sessions: http://uk.reuters.com/article/technologyNewsMolt/idUKB12933220080630 It is a thought though... Should we try a NANOG without network or power provision in the main plenary room? People would have to listen to the presenter with 100% attention then. Would this make the programme better? Would there be more QA? Would there be more discussion in panel sessions? Would it make NANOG better overall? Some meetings I go to now have enforced laptop bans so that the topics under discussion have less chance of distracted participants. (I still remember some of the feedback from the NANOG IPv6 hour back in February - even having no IPv4 connectivity for 60 minutes was equivalent to the end of the world for some people. Left me wondering what the actual plenary session was for.) Having just come back from JANOG, while JANOG apparently had wireless for the first time ever, there was no power in the room. Longlife batteries needed. I noticed the majority of the audience was actually sitting and listening to the presentations, and there was good QA after most of them. philip -- ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures QUALITY TECHNOLOGY SERVICES CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message including its attachments is classified COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL. It is intended for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential material. Quality Technology Services controls the distribution of COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL assets, as such, any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 866-239-5000 and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the NANOG Problem...
It has no affect on me, personally. I don't care if you go and pay just to get a free t-shirt. -- Christian Koch Sr. Network Engineer 95 Christopher Columbus Drive Jersey City, NJ 07302 Direct:212/334.8551 Mobile:917/346.6133 -Original Message- From: Paul Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Koch, Christian CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nanog-futures@nanog.org nanog-futures@nanog.org Sent: Mon Jul 14 23:16:20 2008 Subject: Re: [Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the NANOG Problem... -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- Koch,Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely I understand situations arise where you have to fire up your vpn and do something, and that's foreseeable, but if you're going to just go to the con to be on your laptop all day, what is the point? If people are paying to attend, then why do you care? - - ferg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Desktop 9.6.3 (Build 3017) wj8DBQFIfBZ9q1pz9mNUZTMRAjfcAJ0ZP4o+28Gnq4e3bQX/aSyu3M/7PACfUkot Gt1im1ryuTginDlm9MI+r7Y= =3EwX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Fergie, a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/ QUALITY TECHNOLOGY SERVICES CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message including its attachments is classified COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL. It is intended for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential material. Quality Technology Services controls the distribution of COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL assets, as such, any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 866-239-5000 and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the NANOG Problem...
obvious.. And I understand and agree with some things you have stated. As I mentioned it was my first nanog, and that was my observation and first impression. ck -Original Message- From: Sean Figgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: nanog-futures@nanog.org nanog-futures@nanog.org Sent: Mon Jul 14 23:30:39 2008 Subject: Re: [Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the NANOG Problem... Koch, Christian wrote: 43 was my first nanog - needless to say, majority of the people attending were on laptops not paying attention to the presenter. Some people can multi task. They use their computers to get a better view of the presentations, look up relevant material, and be better able to ask intelligent questions. Obviously not all people are completely interested in all the presentations, but if you require that they either pay 100% attention or leave, I think you'll find that participation will actually go down. We all have jobs, but if you can't leave your job for a few days w/o needing to be in front of your computer doing _something_ , send someone else to the conference who will benefit from the material being discussed... Surely you understand that the presentations at NANOG are only part of the draw of NANOG. Many of the presentations are recycled topics from other conferences and even earlier NANOG conferences, so many attendees have already seen the material, although there may be some new points, so while 100% attention is not required, it is still a good idea to keep an ear on the presentation. And there are a good number of people that attend NANOG and only go to one or two presentations, or only the BOFs, or only the social events. Those are all valid reasons for attendance for some people. Surely I understand situations arise where you have to fire up your vpn and do something, and that's foreseeable, but if you're going to just go to the con to be on your laptop all day, what is the point? I don't think you understand why all the people are at NANOG. When I manage to go, I notice that the only attendees that pay 100% attention are usually the people from abroad. -Sean ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures QUALITY TECHNOLOGY SERVICES CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message including its attachments is classified COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL. It is intended for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential material. Quality Technology Services controls the distribution of COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL assets, as such, any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 866-239-5000 and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the NANOG Problem...
Thanks for the justification... -Original Message- From: Joel Jaeggli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Koch, Christian CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nanog-futures@nanog.org nanog-futures@nanog.org Sent: Mon Jul 14 23:23:52 2008 Subject: Re: [Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the NANOG Problem... Koch, Christian wrote: 43 was my first nanog - needless to say, majority of the people attending were on laptops not paying attention to the presenter. We all have jobs, but if you can't leave your job for a few days w/o needing to be in front of your computer doing _something_ , send someone else to the conference who will benefit from the material being discussed... It's a community full of high-functional Asberger's sufferers... As are a lot of engineering disciplines. It's hard to assert that they aren't paying attention without testing that hypothesis. Given the quantity of feedback that we receive about the quality of the program from people who are alleged to not be paying attention, I would conclude otherwise. The NANOG culture is substantially different for a lot of conference environments one might attend, I'm not sure that's a bad thing. Surely I understand situations arise where you have to fire up your vpn and do something, and that's foreseeable, but if you're going to just go to the con to be on your laptop all day, what is the point? ck -- Christian Koch Sr. Network Engineer 95 Christopher Columbus Drive Jersey City, NJ 07302 Direct:212/334.8551 Mobile:917/346.6133 -Original Message- From: Philip Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nanog-futures@nanog.org nanog-futures@nanog.org Sent: Mon Jul 14 22:52:44 2008 Subject: Re: [Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the NANOG Problem... Robert Seastrom said the following on 7/7/08 05:16: It seems that Bhutan is having trouble with web surfing and gaming during their sessions: http://uk.reuters.com/article/technologyNewsMolt/idUKB12933220080630 It is a thought though... Should we try a NANOG without network or power provision in the main plenary room? People would have to listen to the presenter with 100% attention then. Would this make the programme better? Would there be more QA? Would there be more discussion in panel sessions? Would it make NANOG better overall? Some meetings I go to now have enforced laptop bans so that the topics under discussion have less chance of distracted participants. (I still remember some of the feedback from the NANOG IPv6 hour back in February - even having no IPv4 connectivity for 60 minutes was equivalent to the end of the world for some people. Left me wondering what the actual plenary session was for.) Having just come back from JANOG, while JANOG apparently had wireless for the first time ever, there was no power in the room. Longlife batteries needed. I noticed the majority of the audience was actually sitting and listening to the presentations, and there was good QA after most of them. philip -- ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures QUALITY TECHNOLOGY SERVICES CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message including its attachments is classified COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL. It is intended for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential material. Quality Technology Services controls the distribution of COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL assets, as such, any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 866-239-5000 and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures QUALITY TECHNOLOGY SERVICES CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message including its attachments is classified COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL. It is intended for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential material. Quality Technology Services controls the distribution of COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL assets, as such, any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 866-239-5000 and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
