Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
On 12/28/10 10:13 AM, laperriere.syl...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi, > > Early bird registrations provide cash flow to make hotel deposit commitments. > If all members get early birds rate and register at the last possible > minute, that dings the cash flow and increase liabilities for the organizers. > One month before the conference, we typically need to have paid down 30k to > the hotel, so the 100 or so early birds are important. > > Also, early birds was a way to entice people to register early and build a > critical mass of attendees. Newcomers may decide to join if there is a > critical mass of attendees already, it can help them justify attending to > their management. > > So I see a clear distinction in early bird rate (cash flow help) vice > discounting registration fees for members. I support both and want us to make > sure that we are not losing sight of the financial timing. Precisely my point. The wording of the proposal was that if you were a member you lost the early bird discount. Membership discount couldn't be combined with any other discount. This doesn't seem right. I don't see a problem with allowing both early bird and membership discounts. If it's a situation with wording, call the early bird rate the regular price and the rate after cutoff "Late registration" so that it isn't called a discount. If the membership dues are greater than the sum of early bird differentials for meetings attended in a year, then it makes financial sense NOT to join if you lose the early bird benefit. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - j...@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
Hi, Early bird registrations provide cash flow to make hotel deposit commitments. If all members get early birds rate and register at the last possible minute, that dings the cash flow and increase liabilities for the organizers. One month before the conference, we typically need to have paid down 30k to the hotel, so the 100 or so early birds are important. Also, early birds was a way to entice people to register early and build a critical mass of attendees. Newcomers may decide to join if there is a critical mass of attendees already, it can help them justify attending to their management. So I see a clear distinction in early bird rate (cash flow help) vice discounting registration fees for members. I support both and want us to make sure that we are not losing sight of the financial timing. Regards, Sylvie Envoyé de mon terminal mobile BlackBerry par le biais du réseau de Rogers Sans-fil -Original Message- From: Daniel Golding Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 11:51:09 To: Randy Bush Cc: Nanog Futures Subject: Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > > bottom line: i do not think you should be disappointed in a model that > is conservative and estimates 200 paying members. i will be happy to > be wrong. > > randy > This. If we get 500 members, I'll be really happy. But if we get 200, its ok. As Randy said, those 200 are really the core of the group anyway, between clue contributions, speaking, mailing list, governance, organizing social/networking events, etc. If you did a longitudinal study of the set of speakers, long-time attendees, SC/PC members, mailing list moderators, frequent mailing list contributors, panelists, moderators, BOF coordinators, etc, I bet the numbers would match up to this. - Dan ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
> Would it help to think of it this way? > > If you're a member, you don't have to worry about making the > early registration deadline -- you always get it. or, there is no early registration discount. there is a late registration penalty. [ which is what it usually is, as late regs are more costly to process ] randy ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
i see your point. not sure how you are suggesting to deal with it. i think there is basic physics behind only expecting 200 paying members. my model is that 0 there are a dozen or so people who actually DO a lot for the organization. they'll keep working and attending as long as they do not get too disgusted. 1 there are another 20 who want gold badges but don't do squat other than generate bs and make life miserable for the folk in category 0. they will stay around hoping that winning beauty contests for gold badges will fill the sad gaping holes in their egos. 2 there are a hundred or two people who really contribute clue and take home clue. they are the core of the membership, and will stick around and try to find a low effort way to continue to contribute. 3 there are a a few hundred people who contribute noise and take home nothing of value. they attend when we're nearby and some will pay to be a member if you can find the right buttons to push. 4 there are thousands who lurk, take what clue they can, and will show up when they can. very few will pay. i worry most about 0 and 2 and seeing they are motivated to stay and contribute as they can. only stoopidity and sociopathy will burn them out and keep them from contributing, paying membership, coming to meetings, ... the folk who worry about money probably also need to mine 1 and 3, especially 3. e.g., they're why we need to hold meetings in the bay area, virginia, etc. bottom line: i do not think you should be disappointed in a model that is conservative and estimates 200 paying members. i will be happy to be wrong. randy ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
Dan, I think you missed that I do want to keep people who do not come to meetings involved if they wish to and want to keep membership costs down as far as possible, but I don't want to lose participation of those spending several $K a year to attend meetings and balk at them paying for a membership on top of that. Those people have clearly demonstrated a commitment to NANOG and, quite honestly, think that they should have a say in how NANOG/NewNOG is run on the basis of this commitment. Please remember that the vast majority of the NANOG leadership duties are related to meetings and the desire to have input into this is almost certainly the primary reason to have a membership. I do think anyone who participates via the mailing list should also have the right and opportunity to participate, but they should have to pay for a membership to do so. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: ober...@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
I must disagree to some degree - there are plenty of folks who participate in the mailing list but can't attend every meeting. These folks deserve a chance to fully participate. On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: > I think that 200 may be a bit optimistic. Again, I worry that this will > move control of NewNOG away from those who really are most involved. > > In the past, the discussion was that the discount would (or credit > towards registration) would be such that attending two meetings a year > would take care of registration for the year. Attending meetings is a > significant commitment of money...far more than membership is likely to > be. This would tend to make anyone who goes to meetings regularly also > be a member. > > While making membership available and affordable to those who don't (or > can't) attend meetings is important, the heart ands soul of NANOG is > those that actually participate in the meetings and these people must > not be disenfranchised. > -- > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer > Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) > Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) > E-mail: ober...@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 > Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 > > > Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:54:10 -0500 > > From: Daniel Golding > > > > The math works out in funding. The membership line item is not a huge > > revenue item for the organization after year 2. Still, it does need to be > > big enough to provide buy-in, as you said. > > > > I'm sort of split on this. There certainly needs to be a discount, and > folks > > who are members and attend all three meetings are certainly committed to > the > > organization. > > > > I don't think we'll see 1000 members, though. My guess: 200 at steady > state. > > No science behind that, just a WAG. > > > > - Dan > > > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Bill Norton > wrote: > > > > > Steve - > > > > > > I like it - simple. > > > > > > Just to make sure I understand the thoughts behind the pricing model... > > > With the membership fee at $100/year, if one attends all three NANOGs > in a > > > year, and gets a $25 per meeting discount, then the cost to be a member > ends > > > up costing about $25/year. Pretty cheap membership for a professional > > > organization for us regular NANOG attendees. > > > > > > I bring this up because I am wondering if the $25/yr to $100/yr per > member > > > is an order of magnitude enough to make a dent in the budget? Maybe > the > > > answer is yes, if one assumes on average members contribute $75/year to > the > > > organization, so 1000 members contribute $75,000 and have a degree of > buy-in > > > and loyalty/motivation to attend more NANOGs. The pricing model seems > to > > > incent the right things, but it might not be a major source of revenue. > > > > > > I'm OK with that if the math still works out for funding the > organization. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Nanog-futures mailing list > > > Nanog-futures@nanog.org > > > https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures > > > > > > > > ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
I think that 200 may be a bit optimistic. Again, I worry that this will move control of NewNOG away from those who really are most involved. In the past, the discussion was that the discount would (or credit towards registration) would be such that attending two meetings a year would take care of registration for the year. Attending meetings is a significant commitment of money...far more than membership is likely to be. This would tend to make anyone who goes to meetings regularly also be a member. While making membership available and affordable to those who don't (or can't) attend meetings is important, the heart ands soul of NANOG is those that actually participate in the meetings and these people must not be disenfranchised. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: ober...@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 > Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:54:10 -0500 > From: Daniel Golding > > The math works out in funding. The membership line item is not a huge > revenue item for the organization after year 2. Still, it does need to be > big enough to provide buy-in, as you said. > > I'm sort of split on this. There certainly needs to be a discount, and folks > who are members and attend all three meetings are certainly committed to the > organization. > > I don't think we'll see 1000 members, though. My guess: 200 at steady state. > No science behind that, just a WAG. > > - Dan > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Bill Norton wrote: > > > Steve - > > > > I like it - simple. > > > > Just to make sure I understand the thoughts behind the pricing model... > > With the membership fee at $100/year, if one attends all three NANOGs in a > > year, and gets a $25 per meeting discount, then the cost to be a member ends > > up costing about $25/year. Pretty cheap membership for a professional > > organization for us regular NANOG attendees. > > > > I bring this up because I am wondering if the $25/yr to $100/yr per member > > is an order of magnitude enough to make a dent in the budget? Maybe the > > answer is yes, if one assumes on average members contribute $75/year to the > > organization, so 1000 members contribute $75,000 and have a degree of buy-in > > and loyalty/motivation to attend more NANOGs. The pricing model seems to > > incent the right things, but it might not be a major source of revenue. > > > > I'm OK with that if the math still works out for funding the organization. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > ___ > > Nanog-futures mailing list > > Nanog-futures@nanog.org > > https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures > > > > ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
The math works out in funding. The membership line item is not a huge revenue item for the organization after year 2. Still, it does need to be big enough to provide buy-in, as you said. I'm sort of split on this. There certainly needs to be a discount, and folks who are members and attend all three meetings are certainly committed to the organization. I don't think we'll see 1000 members, though. My guess: 200 at steady state. No science behind that, just a WAG. - Dan On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Bill Norton wrote: > Steve - > > I like it - simple. > > Just to make sure I understand the thoughts behind the pricing model... > With the membership fee at $100/year, if one attends all three NANOGs in a > year, and gets a $25 per meeting discount, then the cost to be a member ends > up costing about $25/year. Pretty cheap membership for a professional > organization for us regular NANOG attendees. > > I bring this up because I am wondering if the $25/yr to $100/yr per member > is an order of magnitude enough to make a dent in the budget? Maybe the > answer is yes, if one assumes on average members contribute $75/year to the > organization, so 1000 members contribute $75,000 and have a degree of buy-in > and loyalty/motivation to attend more NANOGs. The pricing model seems to > incent the right things, but it might not be a major source of revenue. > > I'm OK with that if the math still works out for funding the organization. > > Bill > > > > ___ > Nanog-futures mailing list > Nanog-futures@nanog.org > https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures > ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
On 12/17/10 10:34 AM, Duane Wessels wrote: > > On Dec 17, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > >> This proposal seems to state that if one registers early for a meeting >> the membership discount is forfeited. This doesn't seem right. > > > Would it help to think of it this way? > > If you're a member, you don't have to worry about making the > early registration deadline -- you always get it. No. The present early registration differential is $75. And that might lead to people thinking of it this way: If you register easrly, you don't have to worry about becoming a member. -- You always get it regardless of membership status. -- -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - j...@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
On Dec 17, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > This proposal seems to state that if one registers early for a meeting > the membership discount is forfeited. This doesn't seem right. Would it help to think of it this way? If you're a member, you don't have to worry about making the early registration deadline -- you always get it. DW ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
My only objection is if the early registration price and the membership discount can't be combined. I think that most of us use the early-bird registration option, it's not called a "discount" on the present website. This proposal seems to state that if one registers early for a meeting the membership discount is forfeited. This doesn't seem right. There's a possible similar conflict with students. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - j...@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
Steve - I like it - simple. Just to make sure I understand the thoughts behind the pricing model... With the membership fee at $100/year, if one attends all three NANOGs in a year, and gets a $25 per meeting discount, then the cost to be a member ends up costing about $25/year. Pretty cheap membership for a professional organization for us regular NANOG attendees. I bring this up because I am wondering if the $25/yr to $100/yr per member is an order of magnitude enough to make a dent in the budget? Maybe the answer is yes, if one assumes on average members contribute $75/year to the organization, so 1000 members contribute $75,000 and have a degree of buy-in and loyalty/motivation to attend more NANOGs. The pricing model seems to incent the right things, but it might not be a major source of revenue. I'm OK with that if the math still works out for funding the organization. Bill ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
- Original Message From: Joe Abley On 2010-12-16, at 20:31, Steve Feldman wrote: > Please read the proposal (it's short!) and comment. I think this is great. +1 David Barak ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
On 2010-12-16, at 20:31, Steve Feldman wrote: > Please read the proposal (it's short!) and comment. I think this is great. Joe ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
Steve, At last! Something that does not strike me as defective by design! Thank you. Based on the last financials I saw, I'd really like to see the discount on meetings be something more than $25. That mean $0 for those of us who register early. I would really hope that we can do better. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: ober...@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 > From: Steve Feldman > Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:31:18 -0800 > > In order to jump-start the process of defining a membership structure > for NewNOG, I wrote an alternative proposal. My goals were to keep it > as simple and short as possible, and address the concerns which came > up during the election and afterwards. > > There are two parts, a Bylaws amendment to set the framework, and a > policy document to set the specific rules. The policy document would > be adopted by board resolution. Both are appended below. > > Please read the proposal (it's short!) and comment. > > Thanks, > Steve > > == > Bylaws amendment - Replace the current section 5 in its entirety with: > > 5. Membership > > 5.1 Membership Qualifications > > Membership in NewNOG is open to any individual with an interest in > Internet operations, engineering, or research and who wishes to > further education and knowledge sharing within the Internet operations > community. > > Any individual may become a member of NewNOG by completing an > application and payment of dues. > > 5.2 Membership Classes > > There shall be only one class of membership, with all the rights > and privileges specified in these Bylaws. > > 5.3 Membership Dues > > The Board of Directors shall specify the cost of annual membership > dues. The Board may establish discounts for members meeting certain > criteria, or for members wishing to pay for more than one year in > advance. > > 5.4 Rights and Benefits of Members > > Members in good standing shall be entitled to these privileges: > > * Vote in all NewNOG elections. > * Run as a candidate for the Board of Directors > * Serve on an administrative committee, as defined in section 9 > * Other privileges as specified by the Board of Directors > > 5.5 Policies and Procedures > > The Board of Directors shall establish and publish policies and > procedures for implementation of the membership program. > > == > > Membership Policies and Procedures, to be adopted by Board resolution: > > 1. Annual Dues > > 1.1 Standard rate > > The standard annual dues is $100. > > 1.2 Student discount > > Students enrolled in an undergraduate or graduate degree program > at an accredited institution will receive a 50% discount for annual > dues. Proof of enrollment is required. This may not be combined > with any other discount. > > 1.3 Multi-year discount > > Individuals who prepay three or more years of membership in advance > will receive a 10% discount. This may not be combined with any > other discount. > > 2. Membership Terms > > 2.1 Start of membership > > The term of membership shall begin immediately upon receipt of the > member's application and payment for dues. > > 2.2 Expiration of membership > > 2.2.1 New memberships > > For new members, the term of membership shall expire one year after > the last day of the month during which the membership started, > unless membership is renewed. > > 2.2.2 Continuing memberships > > For continuing members, the term of membership shall expire one > year after the previous expiration date, unless membership is > renewed. > > 2.3 Renewal > > A member may renew by submitting payment of the current dues amount > before the expiration of the current membership term. Members who > have prepaid for more than one year in advance shall be automatically > renewed for the additional years prepaid. > > 3. Additional Benefits > > 3.1 Meeting discount > > Members in good standing will receive a $25 discount for registration > for any conference operated by NewNOG. This may not be combined > with any other discounts, including any discounts for students or > early registration. > > == > > > ___ > Nanog-futures mailing list > Nanog-futures@nanog.org > https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures > ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG?s membership structure
This seems much more sensible than anything else I've seen in the past. -dorian On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 05:31:18PM -0800, Steve Feldman wrote: > In order to jump-start the process of defining a membership structure > for NewNOG, I wrote an alternative proposal. My goals were to keep it > as simple and short as possible, and address the concerns which came > up during the election and afterwards. > > There are two parts, a Bylaws amendment to set the framework, and a > policy document to set the specific rules. The policy document would > be adopted by board resolution. Both are appended below. > > Please read the proposal (it's short!) and comment. > > Thanks, > Steve > > == > Bylaws amendment - Replace the current section 5 in its entirety with: > > 5. Membership > > 5.1 Membership Qualifications > > Membership in NewNOG is open to any individual with an interest in > Internet operations, engineering, or research and who wishes to > further education and knowledge sharing within the Internet operations > community. > > Any individual may become a member of NewNOG by completing an > application and payment of dues. > > 5.2 Membership Classes > > There shall be only one class of membership, with all the rights > and privileges specified in these Bylaws. > > 5.3 Membership Dues > > The Board of Directors shall specify the cost of annual membership > dues. The Board may establish discounts for members meeting certain > criteria, or for members wishing to pay for more than one year in > advance. > > 5.4 Rights and Benefits of Members > > Members in good standing shall be entitled to these privileges: > > * Vote in all NewNOG elections. > * Run as a candidate for the Board of Directors > * Serve on an administrative committee, as defined in section 9 > * Other privileges as specified by the Board of Directors > > 5.5 Policies and Procedures > > The Board of Directors shall establish and publish policies and > procedures for implementation of the membership program. > > == > > Membership Policies and Procedures, to be adopted by Board resolution: > > 1. Annual Dues > > 1.1 Standard rate > > The standard annual dues is $100. > > 1.2 Student discount > > Students enrolled in an undergraduate or graduate degree program > at an accredited institution will receive a 50% discount for annual > dues. Proof of enrollment is required. This may not be combined > with any other discount. > > 1.3 Multi-year discount > > Individuals who prepay three or more years of membership in advance > will receive a 10% discount. This may not be combined with any > other discount. > > 2. Membership Terms > > 2.1 Start of membership > > The term of membership shall begin immediately upon receipt of the > member's application and payment for dues. > > 2.2 Expiration of membership > > 2.2.1 New memberships > > For new members, the term of membership shall expire one year after > the last day of the month during which the membership started, > unless membership is renewed. > > 2.2.2 Continuing memberships > > For continuing members, the term of membership shall expire one > year after the previous expiration date, unless membership is > renewed. > > 2.3 Renewal > > A member may renew by submitting payment of the current dues amount > before the expiration of the current membership term. Members who > have prepaid for more than one year in advance shall be automatically > renewed for the additional years prepaid. > > 3. Additional Benefits > > 3.1 Meeting discount > > Members in good standing will receive a $25 discount for registration > for any conference operated by NewNOG. This may not be combined > with any other discounts, including any discounts for students or > early registration. > > == > > > ___ > Nanog-futures mailing list > Nanog-futures@nanog.org > https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures > ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
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Satisfies all of my criticism with the previously proposed membership structure. joel On 12/16/10 5:31 PM, Steve Feldman wrote: > In order to jump-start the process of defining a membership structure > for NewNOG, I wrote an alternative proposal. My goals were to keep it > as simple and short as possible, and address the concerns which came > up during the election and afterwards. > > There are two parts, a Bylaws amendment to set the framework, and a > policy document to set the specific rules. The policy document would > be adopted by board resolution. Both are appended below. > > Please read the proposal (it's short!) and comment. > > Thanks, > Steve > > == > Bylaws amendment - Replace the current section 5 in its entirety with: > > 5. Membership > > 5.1 Membership Qualifications > > Membership in NewNOG is open to any individual with an interest in > Internet operations, engineering, or research and who wishes to > further education and knowledge sharing within the Internet operations > community. > > Any individual may become a member of NewNOG by completing an > application and payment of dues. > > 5.2 Membership Classes > > There shall be only one class of membership, with all the rights > and privileges specified in these Bylaws. > > 5.3 Membership Dues > > The Board of Directors shall specify the cost of annual membership > dues. The Board may establish discounts for members meeting certain > criteria, or for members wishing to pay for more than one year in > advance. > > 5.4 Rights and Benefits of Members > > Members in good standing shall be entitled to these privileges: > > * Vote in all NewNOG elections. > * Run as a candidate for the Board of Directors > * Serve on an administrative committee, as defined in section 9 > * Other privileges as specified by the Board of Directors > > 5.5 Policies and Procedures > > The Board of Directors shall establish and publish policies and > procedures for implementation of the membership program. > > == > > Membership Policies and Procedures, to be adopted by Board resolution: > > 1. Annual Dues > > 1.1 Standard rate > > The standard annual dues is $100. > > 1.2 Student discount > > Students enrolled in an undergraduate or graduate degree program > at an accredited institution will receive a 50% discount for annual > dues. Proof of enrollment is required. This may not be combined > with any other discount. > > 1.3 Multi-year discount > > Individuals who prepay three or more years of membership in advance > will receive a 10% discount. This may not be combined with any > other discount. > > 2. Membership Terms > > 2.1 Start of membership > > The term of membership shall begin immediately upon receipt of the > member's application and payment for dues. > > 2.2 Expiration of membership > > 2.2.1 New memberships > > For new members, the term of membership shall expire one year after > the last day of the month during which the membership started, > unless membership is renewed. > > 2.2.2 Continuing memberships > > For continuing members, the term of membership shall expire one > year after the previous expiration date, unless membership is > renewed. > > 2.3 Renewal > > A member may renew by submitting payment of the current dues amount > before the expiration of the current membership term. Members who > have prepaid for more than one year in advance shall be automatically > renewed for the additional years prepaid. > > 3. Additional Benefits > > 3.1 Meeting discount > > Members in good standing will receive a $25 discount for registration > for any conference operated by NewNOG. This may not be combined > with any other discounts, including any discounts for students or > early registration. > > == > > > ___ > Nanog-futures mailing list > Nanog-futures@nanog.org > https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures > ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
> 1.2 Student discount > > Students enrolled in an undergraduate or graduate degree program > at an accredited institution will receive a 50% discount for annual > dues. Proof of enrollment is required. This may not be combined > with any other discount. often, in other groups, this has a full-time requirement but i can live with this either way btw, any financial status/report since meeting? randy ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG?s membership structure
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 05:31:18PM -0800, Steve Feldman wrote: > In order to jump-start the process of defining a membership structure > for NewNOG, I wrote an alternative proposal. My goals were to keep it > as simple and short as possible, and address the concerns which came > up during the election and afterwards. [...] Steve: Thanks for taking the time to put this out. It aligns very well with what I've been mulling in the back of my head. It's short, simple, and defines the important issues. There may well be nits, but I think you've hit the important points. The only thoughts I would add: The suggested policy discounts meeting registration fees for members. While I think this is a fine idea, I'd been thinking that registering for any meeting would include a year's membership -- modelling the voting policy. It wouldn't take a lot to convince me that the "meeting discount" is a better idea -- but I did want to get the thought out. Again -- thanks for being pro-active. ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
[Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
In order to jump-start the process of defining a membership structure for NewNOG, I wrote an alternative proposal. My goals were to keep it as simple and short as possible, and address the concerns which came up during the election and afterwards. There are two parts, a Bylaws amendment to set the framework, and a policy document to set the specific rules. The policy document would be adopted by board resolution. Both are appended below. Please read the proposal (it's short!) and comment. Thanks, Steve == Bylaws amendment - Replace the current section 5 in its entirety with: 5. Membership 5.1 Membership Qualifications Membership in NewNOG is open to any individual with an interest in Internet operations, engineering, or research and who wishes to further education and knowledge sharing within the Internet operations community. Any individual may become a member of NewNOG by completing an application and payment of dues. 5.2 Membership Classes There shall be only one class of membership, with all the rights and privileges specified in these Bylaws. 5.3 Membership Dues The Board of Directors shall specify the cost of annual membership dues. The Board may establish discounts for members meeting certain criteria, or for members wishing to pay for more than one year in advance. 5.4 Rights and Benefits of Members Members in good standing shall be entitled to these privileges: * Vote in all NewNOG elections. * Run as a candidate for the Board of Directors * Serve on an administrative committee, as defined in section 9 * Other privileges as specified by the Board of Directors 5.5 Policies and Procedures The Board of Directors shall establish and publish policies and procedures for implementation of the membership program. == Membership Policies and Procedures, to be adopted by Board resolution: 1. Annual Dues 1.1 Standard rate The standard annual dues is $100. 1.2 Student discount Students enrolled in an undergraduate or graduate degree program at an accredited institution will receive a 50% discount for annual dues. Proof of enrollment is required. This may not be combined with any other discount. 1.3 Multi-year discount Individuals who prepay three or more years of membership in advance will receive a 10% discount. This may not be combined with any other discount. 2. Membership Terms 2.1 Start of membership The term of membership shall begin immediately upon receipt of the member's application and payment for dues. 2.2 Expiration of membership 2.2.1 New memberships For new members, the term of membership shall expire one year after the last day of the month during which the membership started, unless membership is renewed. 2.2.2 Continuing memberships For continuing members, the term of membership shall expire one year after the previous expiration date, unless membership is renewed. 2.3 Renewal A member may renew by submitting payment of the current dues amount before the expiration of the current membership term. Members who have prepaid for more than one year in advance shall be automatically renewed for the additional years prepaid. 3. Additional Benefits 3.1 Meeting discount Members in good standing will receive a $25 discount for registration for any conference operated by NewNOG. This may not be combined with any other discounts, including any discounts for students or early registration. == ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
