Re: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question
On 2/9/07, Vee Harwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We use it currently for one of our products and nant for the other. > >From my own personal experience, I would have to say that management > types I deal with hold VBP in higher regard since it has a nice and > shiny interface that nant doesn't. Functionality wise, I would rate the > two as pretty much equal in functionality, but I think nant runs faster > (no official timings to prove that). > > VBP does have a nice feature of being able to click on and off certain > build tasks in the UI for a given build project, if you do a lot of > specialized builds often it's a nice feature to have. One other thing > we use it for that I don't think nant directly supports is downing and > up'ing services before and after the build. I'm sure you could > the sc command to do the same thing. > > Just my .02, HTH > Some other things that are handy in VBuild that I dont think (or know how to do in (N)ant) are: Set per-line-item logging source - IE, pipe the output of a specific line to the VBuild log from StdOut or from a specific file. Easy per-line-item conditional execution Set per-line-item success return code ranges (as opposed to just "0" = successful step) Synchronous/Asynchronous calls Easier to read Some things that are less handy in VBuild No built-in directives. This is a big deal. You're basically authoring a list of shell commands, so even though it looks less complicated than (N)ant, crafting a script is as much if not much more labor intensive. No targets/functions/looping. It's one long linear path. If you need to repeat an activity, it's copy/paste city. Less support by 3rd parties. AFAIK, no 3rd party tools (Cruise Control, Parabuild, etc) are designed to integrate with VBuild. Note that my observations are based on a fairly old version of VBuild (3.6), so some of the feature-centric observations may no longer be the case. IMO - VBuild is geared towards interactive builds and excels in that area, wheras (n)ant is geared towards build automation and excels in that area. -- -Chris - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ NAnt-users mailing list NAnt-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users
Re: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question
You don't need to go as far as NAntContrib - have a look at the task in NAnt. http://nant.sourceforge.net/release/latest/help/tasks/servicecontroller.html Cheers, Bill From "Phil Sayers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@lists.sourceforge.net Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/02/2007 14:43 To cc Subject Re: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question i'd bet there's something in Nantcontrib that'll do the service start/restart. i'm about to start using nantContrib to mainpulate our webserver to deploy builds to our IIS box as a remoting server. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vee Harwell Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:38 AM To: Rick G. Garibay; nant-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question We use it currently for one of our products and nant for the other. >From my own personal experience, I would have to say that management types I deal with hold VBP in higher regard since it has a nice and shiny interface that nant doesn't. Functionality wise, I would rate the two as pretty much equal in functionality, but I think nant runs faster (no official timings to prove that). VBP does have a nice feature of being able to click on and off certain build tasks in the UI for a given build project, if you do a lot of specialized builds often it's a nice feature to have. One other thing we use it for that I don't think nant directly supports is downing and up'ing services before and after the build. I'm sure you could the sc command to do the same thing. Just my .02, HTH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick G. Garibay Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:13 PM To: nant-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question I am a NANT veteran of about 2 years and recently have come across Visual Build Pro as a tool option. Aside from knowing that VBP is a GUI-driven tool, can anyone lend some insight on this product, drawing comparisons where relevant? Thanks, Rick - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ NAnt-users mailing list NAnt-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ NAnt-users mailing list NAnt-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ NAnt-users mailing list NAnt-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ IMPORTANT The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments is intended for the addressee only and may contain legally privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute, alter, or take any action in reliance on the information and Avon Insurance plc will not accept liability for any loss or damage howsoever arising, directly or indirectly in reliance on it and gives no warranty or representation as to its accuracy or reliability. If you are not the addressee, please notify us immediately on 01789 202121* and delete the material from your computer and destroy any copies. Avon Insurance plc reserves the right to monitor and record incoming and outgoing email messages for the purposes of investigating or detecting unauthorised use of its system and ensuring its effective operation. Avon Insurance plc will n
Re: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question
Yes it is not hard. We use the exec tag to run IISREST to stop and start our QA IIS server while our deploy to qa build is running. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evans, Jonathan (2) Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:50 AM To: 'Phil Sayers'; nant-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question Failing NAntContrib having service start/stop you could always call out to "net start" and "net stop". Jonathan Evans -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Sayers Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:44 PM To: nant-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question i'd bet there's something in Nantcontrib that'll do the service start/restart. i'm about to start using nantContrib to mainpulate our webserver to deploy builds to our IIS box as a remoting server. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vee Harwell Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:38 AM To: Rick G. Garibay; nant-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question We use it currently for one of our products and nant for the other. >From my own personal experience, I would have to say that management types I deal with hold VBP in higher regard since it has a nice and shiny interface that nant doesn't. Functionality wise, I would rate the two as pretty much equal in functionality, but I think nant runs faster (no official timings to prove that). VBP does have a nice feature of being able to click on and off certain build tasks in the UI for a given build project, if you do a lot of specialized builds often it's a nice feature to have. One other thing we use it for that I don't think nant directly supports is downing and up'ing services before and after the build. I'm sure you could the sc command to do the same thing. Just my .02, HTH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick G. Garibay Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:13 PM To: nant-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question I am a NANT veteran of about 2 years and recently have come across Visual Build Pro as a tool option. Aside from knowing that VBP is a GUI-driven tool, can anyone lend some insight on this product, drawing comparisons where relevant? Thanks, Rick - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ NAnt-users mailing list NAnt-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ NAnt-users mailing list NAnt-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ NAnt-users mailing list NAnt-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 __
Re: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question
Failing NAntContrib having service start/stop you could always call out to "net start" and "net stop". Jonathan Evans -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Sayers Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:44 PM To: nant-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question i'd bet there's something in Nantcontrib that'll do the service start/restart. i'm about to start using nantContrib to mainpulate our webserver to deploy builds to our IIS box as a remoting server. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vee Harwell Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:38 AM To: Rick G. Garibay; nant-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question We use it currently for one of our products and nant for the other. >From my own personal experience, I would have to say that management types I deal with hold VBP in higher regard since it has a nice and shiny interface that nant doesn't. Functionality wise, I would rate the two as pretty much equal in functionality, but I think nant runs faster (no official timings to prove that). VBP does have a nice feature of being able to click on and off certain build tasks in the UI for a given build project, if you do a lot of specialized builds often it's a nice feature to have. One other thing we use it for that I don't think nant directly supports is downing and up'ing services before and after the build. I'm sure you could the sc command to do the same thing. Just my .02, HTH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick G. Garibay Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:13 PM To: nant-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question I am a NANT veteran of about 2 years and recently have come across Visual Build Pro as a tool option. Aside from knowing that VBP is a GUI-driven tool, can anyone lend some insight on this product, drawing comparisons where relevant? Thanks, Rick - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ NAnt-users mailing list NAnt-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ NAnt-users mailing list NAnt-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ NAnt-users mailing list NAnt-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ NAnt-users mailing list NAnt-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users
Re: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question
i'd bet there's something in Nantcontrib that'll do the service start/restart. i'm about to start using nantContrib to mainpulate our webserver to deploy builds to our IIS box as a remoting server. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vee Harwell Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:38 AM To: Rick G. Garibay; nant-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question We use it currently for one of our products and nant for the other. >From my own personal experience, I would have to say that management types I deal with hold VBP in higher regard since it has a nice and shiny interface that nant doesn't. Functionality wise, I would rate the two as pretty much equal in functionality, but I think nant runs faster (no official timings to prove that). VBP does have a nice feature of being able to click on and off certain build tasks in the UI for a given build project, if you do a lot of specialized builds often it's a nice feature to have. One other thing we use it for that I don't think nant directly supports is downing and up'ing services before and after the build. I'm sure you could the sc command to do the same thing. Just my .02, HTH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick G. Garibay Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:13 PM To: nant-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question I am a NANT veteran of about 2 years and recently have come across Visual Build Pro as a tool option. Aside from knowing that VBP is a GUI-driven tool, can anyone lend some insight on this product, drawing comparisons where relevant? Thanks, Rick - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ NAnt-users mailing list NAnt-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ NAnt-users mailing list NAnt-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ NAnt-users mailing list NAnt-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users
Re: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question
We use it currently for one of our products and nant for the other. >From my own personal experience, I would have to say that management types I deal with hold VBP in higher regard since it has a nice and shiny interface that nant doesn't. Functionality wise, I would rate the two as pretty much equal in functionality, but I think nant runs faster (no official timings to prove that). VBP does have a nice feature of being able to click on and off certain build tasks in the UI for a given build project, if you do a lot of specialized builds often it's a nice feature to have. One other thing we use it for that I don't think nant directly supports is downing and up'ing services before and after the build. I'm sure you could the sc command to do the same thing. Just my .02, HTH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick G. Garibay Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:13 PM To: nant-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [NAnt-users] Visual Build Pro Question I am a NANT veteran of about 2 years and recently have come across Visual Build Pro as a tool option. Aside from knowing that VBP is a GUI-driven tool, can anyone lend some insight on this product, drawing comparisons where relevant? Thanks, Rick - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ NAnt-users mailing list NAnt-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ NAnt-users mailing list NAnt-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users
