Re: [neonixie-l] Re: B7971's for sale (again)
Now there is a subject I would seriously like to talk to you about directly. Michail Wilson 206-920-6312 In a message dated 6/25/2011 10:57:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mbari...@dslextreme.com writes: Bitcoin mining, Michail On Jun 25, 10:23 pm, micha...@aol.com wrote: How did you find them so fast after posting? In a message dated 6/25/2011 9:55:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nickst...@gmail.com writes: _http://cgi.ebay.com/2x-Burroughs-B-7971-B7971-Nixie-Tube-Vintage-Rare... 280702018540?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2hash=item415b24e3ec#ht_1234wt_1141_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/2x-Burroughs-B-7971-B7971-Nixie-Tube-Vintage-Rare... 80702018540?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2hash=item415b24e3ec#ht_1234wt_1141) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: B7971's for sale (again)
$445 for 4, maybe. Like that last auction that closed a day or two ago where the guy put a mirror up to the two tubes, making it look like there were four to a casual buyer. That would be quite an ugly surprise when a box of two showed up for the price of four. On 2011 Jun 26, at 00:14 , MichaelB wrote: OK, It appears they DO exist! I would like to see a shot of those mummified relics before I become a true believer. And if they prove to be real...a $445/2 believer, I will never be! On Jun 25, 9:55 pm, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/2x-Burroughs-B-7971-B7971-Nixie-Tube-Vintage-Rare... Too rich for my blood! On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:26 AM, micha...@aol.com wrote: ** Very strange. A batch of mine that I could on ebay (11 of them) were also wrapped in this same newspaper. Dates were all in 1971 as well. Tried as I did, not of them were on my birthday. :( Now I will have to go back and look since I still have them.I purchased that batch on ebay about a year ago. The person said that they belonged to their expired father. Michail In a message dated 6/24/2011 11:23:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, n...@desmith.net writes: When shipping them to us they came in just that sheet of 1970s newspaper - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: B7971's for sale (again)
Not sure I understand... I always keep an eye on eBay for tube bargains.. Unfortunately those seem to be getting rarer these days as people are asking crazy prices for nixies etc Sent from my iPhone On Jun 25, 2011, at 22:23, micha...@aol.com wrote: How did you find them so fast after posting? In a message dated 6/25/2011 9:55:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nickst...@gmail.com writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/2x-Burroughs-B-7971-B7971-Nixie-Tube-Vintage-Rare-NOS-/280702018540?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2hash=item415b24e3ec#ht_1234wt_1141 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: B7971's for sale (again)
Hello, Strange, I emailed him about it as well. He did mention that it was put in the mirror so that someone could see both sides. I thought that was strange, since they were laying down. Meaning, you would only see a reflection of the same side. So, maybe it wasn't done on purpose, but give me a break. I nearly bid 300 at the end myself. It did make me reread the auction several times. Strangely, he has done it with other auctions as well. It seems risky to do that without at least saying mirror. Hello mister banker. I would like to deposit my $200.Umm, no, that is a mirror so you believe I have twice as much. What do you mean it will not work? I was just trying to get you to see both sides of the top? Michail In a message dated 6/25/2011 11:24:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wa...@degeere.com writes: $445 for 4, maybe. Like that last auction that closed a day or two ago where the guy put a mirror up to the two tubes, making it look like there were four to a casual buyer. That would be quite an ugly surprise when a box of two showed up for the price of four. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: B7971's for sale (again)
I once saw a batch of eight B-7971 tubes, all in Ultronics original boxes. Jens Am 26.06.2011 16:55, schrieb Jeff Thomas: On Jun 26, 6:44 am, Terry Stschw10...@aol.com wrote: The pins aren't exactly straight on those tubes, either. I'm not buying the NOS status. Terry I saw the same thing in image eight, and Terry had beat me to the pin observation. Adding to that the smudging of the label from cleaning the envelopes. I suppose he saw the recent sales activity and decided a few young paste-eater nixie fans would believe the NOS pitch. Those B7971 tubes, like John R noted, were packed in trays of 36. Maybe singles had a marked Burroughs box. I have a few of the trays. I snapped an image a moment ago: http://www.amug.org/~jthomas/b7971tray.jpg Regards, Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: US power grid frequency tests.
We have about eight clocks here that we use to tell time at home regularlythey ALL are based on line frequency! Maybe we need to get a mast protest going, have everyone you know mail at least one line frequency based clock to Joe McClelland, head of electric reliability for the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. I wonder how many thousands (or millions) of clocks it would take for him to get the message? Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: US power grid frequency tests.
It's a conspiracy between Elm electronics the FERC. http://www.elmelectronics.com/ebench.html#Oscillators On 26 June, 11:35, J Forbes jforbnos...@selectric.org wrote: We have about eight clocks here that we use to tell time at home regularlythey ALL are based on line frequency! Maybe we need to get a mast protest going, have everyone you know mail at least one line frequency based clock to Joe McClelland, head of electric reliability for the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. I wonder how many thousands (or millions) of clocks it would take for him to get the message? Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: B7971's for sale (again)
Interesting... our boy has reduced his price to $399. Wonder if it had anything to do with him receiving emails like this from me and others: Dear appleibmlaseresearch, Hi There, Curious how you account for those burn marks on your NOS B7971 tubes? On Jun 26, 7:34 am, micha...@aol.com wrote: Hello, Strange, I emailed him about it as well. He did mention that it was put in the mirror so that someone could see both sides. I thought that was strange, since they were laying down. Meaning, you would only see a reflection of the same side. So, maybe it wasn't done on purpose, but give me a break. I nearly bid 300 at the end myself. It did make me reread the auction several times. Strangely, he has done it with other auctions as well. It seems risky to do that without at least saying mirror. Hello mister banker. I would like to deposit my $200. Umm, no, that is a mirror so you believe I have twice as much. What do you mean it will not work? I was just trying to get you to see both sides of the top? Michail In a message dated 6/25/2011 11:24:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wa...@degeere.com writes: $445 for 4, maybe. Like that last auction that closed a day or two ago where the guy put a mirror up to the two tubes, making it look like there were four to a casual buyer. That would be quite an ugly surprise when a box of two showed up for the price of four. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: B7971's for sale (again)
Like the baby blue 'bird back drop, Jeff! Nice! On Jun 26, 7:55 am, Jeff Thomas nixich...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 26, 6:44 am, Terry S tschw10...@aol.com wrote: The pins aren't exactly straight on those tubes, either. I'm not buying the NOS status. Terry I saw the same thing in image eight, and Terry had beat me to the pin observation. Adding to that the smudging of the label from cleaning the envelopes. I suppose he saw the recent sales activity and decided a few young paste-eater nixie fans would believe the NOS pitch. Those B7971 tubes, like John R noted, were packed in trays of 36. Maybe singles had a marked Burroughs box. I have a few of the trays. I snapped an image a moment ago:http://www.amug.org/~jthomas/b7971tray.jpg Regards, Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re:Powerline freq
Last summer I visited the Grand Coulee dam. They had one turbine spinning at the appropriate frequency with no load. Idea is that if a sudden load increase occurred they would just kick in more water as they added the load almost instantly. Lawrence Stoskopf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: B7971's for sale (again)
Interestingly, the cost of two B7971s from that ad ($8.88) would be (only) $35.26 today*. Amazing. Those days are definitely gone... *http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl? cost1=8.88year1=1976year2=2011 On Jun 24, 4:39 pm, David Forbes dfor...@dakotacom.net wrote: On 6/24/11 8:33 AM, micha...@aol.com wrote: Jeff, Did you find a way to make them? /me wondering where you come up with them all. Michail Buy low, sell high. http://www.nixiebunny.com/b7971ad.jpg These tubes were available in large quantities at a low price in 2002. -- David Forbes, Tucson AZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: B7971's for sale (again)
On Jun 26, 5:15 pm, jb-electronics webmas...@jb-electronics.de wrote: But not only are the tubes getting more and more expensive, interesting Nixie tube listings on Ebay are getting rarer and rarer as well... Which leads to an interesting thought - if the supply of additional tubes is drying up, what is the possibility of commissioning the manufacture of some new tubes? There are still companies producing vacuum tubes (mostly in Eastern Europe) and with current eBay closing prices, it would seem to be cost-effective to build and sell new ones. What type(s) would people want? IN-18, B7971, or (dare I say it) CD47? Something else? If some eBay sellers are hoarding large quantities of true NOS tubes (I suspect this is the case for the IN-18, far less so for the others), just serious negotiations with a manufacturer about restarting production might break the logjam. I don't think doing this for VFD displays would be cost-effective, at least not until prices rise considerably. IV-17 / IV-4's have all but disappeared from eBay - it used to be possible to buy 100's at $1.50 each or less. There are a few listings now for small lots (4 or 6 tubes) at $3.00 each. I wonder if someone who plans on producing kits (or assembled clocks) bought them all up? That would be a lot of tubes - 2 years ago I had a quote from a Russian vendor with quantity discount breaks up to 10,000 pieces. If there is interest in the IN-18, Svetlana may even have existing tooling: http://www.svetlana-tubes.com/svetlana.htm If that doesn't work out, perhaps a manufacturer like JJ Electronic would be interested: http://www.jj-electronic.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: B7971's for sale (again)
On Jun 26, 5:06 pm, thatbrock thatbr...@gmail.com wrote: Interestingly, the cost of two B7971s from that ad ($8.88) would be (only) $35.26 today*. Amazing. Actually, the $8.88 price is for two boards with 2 tubes on each. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: B7971's for sale (again)
On Jun 26, 5:55 am, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/2x-Burroughs-B-7971-B7971-Nixie-Tube-Vintage-Rare... Too rich for my blood! Interesting - there is an NSN on the box - 5960-00-248-8501 Can anyone translate this to a mfg p/n? Best I can do is: http://5960.iso-group.com/NSN/5960-00-248-8501 Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: B7971's for sale (again)
Hi Nick, It looks like the boxes aren't matching the nixies. To my understanding, what was once in those boxes are the 6004 tubes: http://www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_6004.html Like some other people in this email thread, I'm not buying the NOS status claimed in the auction. The seller, judging by the other items and selling history, isn't a vacuum tube or nixie expert, so he probably can't tell if the box matches the contents. Thanks, Dmitri On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:51 AM, Nick n...@desmith.net wrote: On Jun 26, 5:55 am, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/2x-Burroughs-B-7971-B7971-Nixie-Tube-Vintage-Rare... Too rich for my blood! Interesting - there is an NSN on the box - 5960-00-248-8501 Can anyone translate this to a mfg p/n? Best I can do is: http://5960.iso-group.com/NSN/5960-00-248-8501 Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: B7971's for sale (again)
back in the early seventies I paid $1.98 for two B7971's along with controller circuit board and sockets, from Meshna Electronics, a surplus house in New England. I bought four boards (eight tubes and sockets). I wish that I had had the forethought to have purchased 100 of them! Four tubes are in service in one of my Weisling Four Letter Word's. bob - Original Message - From: thatbrock thatbr...@gmail.com To: neonixie-l neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 5:06 PM Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: B7971's for sale (again) Interestingly, the cost of two B7971s from that ad ($8.88) would be (only) $35.26 today*. Amazing. Those days are definitely gone... *http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl? cost1=8.88year1=1976year2=2011 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: Powerline freq
Power companies may no longer keep the frequency exactly my.earthlink.net/article/tec?guid=201106...92-875d-333c443bf009 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: B7971's for sale (again)
On 11-06-26 09:13 PM, Terry S wrote: They no doubt have vacuum tube tooling, but the tooling specific to In-18's would not be part of that. Tooling for digits? Equipment for gas filling? Doubtful. The two Soviet era firms still standing are reflector, and svetlana. Svetlana minly were in the power (transmiting) tube business. There logo is a winged C (russian S) anyone ever see a Nixie with their logo? -- Charles MacDonald Stittsville Ontario cm...@zeusprune.ca Just Beyond the Fringe http://www.TelecomOttawa.net/~cmacd/ No Microsoft Products were used in sending this e-mail. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
[neonixie-l] Re: B7971's for sale (again)
On Jun 26, 9:13 pm, Terry S tschw10...@aol.com wrote: What makes you think Svetlana would have nixie tooling, and more specifically, IN-18 tooling? They no doubt have vacuum tube tooling, but the tooling specific to In-18's would not be part of that. Tooling for digits? Equipment for gas filling? Doubtful. From what I read, Svetlana operates out of Saratov using part of the old Reflector factory. I could be mis-informed. Let's be realistic, no tube manufacturer is going to tool for, much less produce, at best, a few thousand nixies a year to satisfy the hobbyist crowd. There are tube companies that make only hundreds of particular tube type a year, using mostly hand techniques and simple machinery. Take a look at this clip from the TV show How It's Made - this is a free preview, but gets partway into the segment on tube building: http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Tubes-Shredders-Model-Aircraft/dp/B004MJ10BI Given that one CD47 sold for over $1300 on eBay recently, it would seem to me that a manufacturer could make at least as much money as they make on limited-production audio tubes by producing Nixies. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: B7971's for sale (again)
From what I read, Svetlana operates out of Saratov using part of the old Reflector factory. I could be mis-informed. The trademark for svetlana is not owned by svetlana in the USA. It is owned by the New Sensor folks who own the remains of the refector factory. So REAL svetlana tubes are sold in the STates as winged C -- Charles MacDonald Stittsville Ontario cm...@zeusprune.ca Just Beyond the Fringe http://www.TelecomOttawa.net/~cmacd/ No Microsoft Products were used in sending this e-mail. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
