Re: [neonixie-l] Re: GeekKlok and FLW up for grabs
Good on you Ray! One step closer to redemption. Though I probably won't benefit from your products, I'm sure some in this group will. Here's to a better future! On Dec 6, 2012, at 1:29 AM, Raymond Weisling wrote: I have tested the waters and find it infested with hungry gators and crocs. ;-) So here is what I will do. I will give away all intellectual property for these several products and variations thereof. That includes: 1. PCB artwork in Gerber files for the single board and the newer split boards (very few were made--more below on that). 2. PCB artwork files, if anybody wants them, but they are for the first desktop PCB CAD program issued in 1984 for Macintosh and still apparently supported as of about five years ago,(Douglas Electronics) 3. Source code for FLW, GKK and the GAM. 4. Object code in Motorola S19 files. 5. Several TKD case designs made from acrylic plastic that is laser cut to shape. 6. The user manuals and other buyer documentation in PDF form and in FreeHand 8 files (the originals from which the PDFs are made. It may not be easy to use the FH8 files, but the stuff is there. 7. Other assorted documents. I'm not sure what miscellaneous stuff is there, haven't looked for a while. This Google group has no files section, so where to send it or upload it? It will take me some time to sift through it and perhaps reorganize it and then ZIP/RAR it. I am not sure how much time I have, it could take a week or so. -- I still have some parts, lots of Mill-Max socket pins (which fit many nixies) but these would have to go to someone and whoever gets them will have to pay for shipping and maybe a tad more. There are a few PCBs both large and split, but I am not at this point (today) going to do a detailed inventory. Let's toss this physical offer around. Any suggestions? It is likely that whoever wants this has no debt from me, so they get a gift of sorts. You may ask questions on what I think is there. Thanks -- Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/-/NOMSQA_98zIJ. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: GeekKlok and FLW up for grabs
On 12/6/12 12:29 AM, Raymond Weisling wrote: I have tested the waters and find it infested with hungry gators and crocs. ;-) So here is what I will do. I will give away all intellectual property for these several products and variations thereof. ... Ray, I'm glad that you came to this decision. I've had one of your earliest FLW machines sitting on my mantel for the last ten years. It's brought joy to my family and to scores of visitors to my home over the years. It's the only neon display thing in the house that I didn't design myself. I'd be honored to host the design files on my nixiebunny.com server if you're up for that. -- David Forbes, Tucson AZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[neonixie-l] wrong nick
Nick Dec 05 08:04AM -0800 Well, I paid for and received (in about 4 weeks) the two kits I ordered. However, since then I've built several of Pete's very nice kits and did the kit part ordering for some of the UK & European customers. Pete's clocks are far more functional and use modern components... I also have a GPS-disciplined Jeff Thomas/Pete Hand clock that SWMBO absolutely loves... The world has demonstrably moved on... westdave sez... well aint that grand"nick" YOU go yours so now every things OK ,and The world has demonstrably moved on... nope it has been more than 4 weeks ,some of us get nothing ,and thats is ok by you ,you gots yours very poor form nick! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: GeekKlok and FLW up for grabs
Yes Ray the waters are filled with, as you put it, 'gators and crocs' that YOU helped put there. HOWEVER, if you actually do come through this time, and really do place ALL of the intellectual property into the public domain. I would be tempted to contribute to an established fund via Paypal $20.00 of my hard earned money to show appreciation for that, as well as appreciation for the work you did creating and then managing this wonderful site that we all use, learn from, and enjoy. That fund, after let say thirty days, would be divided as follows, fifty percent to you, the remaining fifty percent divided and distributed equally between all of the folks here that never received the products that they ordered from you. I would like to see comments here from other members on this idea. The idea could be modified as members here see fit and agree to, or trashed altogether. Makes no difference to me personally. Some of the members here definitely would NOT contribute and I can certainly understand that, after being burned by you. Others could send something if they wanted to, and could afford to, and I certainly do NOT speak for them. Proof positive would have to be produced, that the intellectual property, ALL of it, has been placed UNRETRACTABLY into the public domain, before I would do this. I hope that your problems and issues reside, and that there are better days ahead for you. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you, and everyone. Ira. On 12/6/2012 7:27 AM, David Forbes wrote: On 12/6/12 12:29 AM, Raymond Weisling wrote: I have tested the waters and find it infested with hungry gators and crocs. ;-) So here is what I will do. I will give away all intellectual property for these several products and variations thereof. ... Ray, I'm glad that you came to this decision. I've had one of your earliest FLW machines sitting on my mantel for the last ten years. It's brought joy to my family and to scores of visitors to my home over the years. It's the only neon display thing in the house that I didn't design myself. I'd be honored to host the design files on my nixiebunny.com server if you're up for that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. <>
[neonixie-l] Re: wrong nick
Eh? I think you misread my post Dave - I was referring to the FLW concept, not people's attitudes ! The point is that no-one needs Ray's designs any more - the world has moved on - there are better options out there. As no-one else had received stuff from Ray, I felt it was worth pointing out that he had shipped some to customers, that's all. Cheers Nick On Thursday, 6 December 2012 16:05:31 UTC, westdave wrote: > > > > Nick > Dec 05 08:04AM -0800 > > Well, I paid for and received (in about 4 weeks) the two kits I ordered. > > However, since then I've built several of Pete's very nice kits and did > the > kit part ordering for some of the UK & European customers. Pete's clocks > are far more functional and use modern components... I also have a > GPS-disciplined Jeff Thomas/Pete Hand clock that SWMBO absolutely loves... > > The world has demonstrably moved on... > > westdave sez... well aint that grand"nick" YOU go yours > so now every things OK ,and > The world has demonstrably moved on... > nope it has been more than 4 weeks ,some of us get nothing ,and thats is > ok by you ,you gots yours > very poor form nick! > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/-/-YD3G4J4DB0J. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[neonixie-l] Re: GeekKlok and FLW up for grabs
Hi Ray, What's happened with your FLW clocks in the past has nothing to do with me as I am just a newbie. I did follow this post for a few reasons, 1, I initially felt sorry for you and I thought someone needs to help this guy out, 2 after hearing what had happened before, it is interesting to see what's on people's minds and how they express that. 3 I felt some relief that the gators and crocs were not only after me as I had a similar experience when I started my nixie watch :-) 4 It seems to develop with a good outcome, both for you and for the group. I think the proposal from IRA is good, I'd also be interested in the technical details of your clock. Just include some JPG files of the schematics, that makes it easier to have a look at it. Once they're up, I also have $20 for you shared as 50/50. Michel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: GeekKlok and FLW up for grabs
I also have $20, shared as 0/100. 0 for Ray and 100 for the others. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Michel Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:59 PM To: neonixie-l Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: GeekKlok and FLW up for grabs Hi Ray, What's happened with your FLW clocks in the past has nothing to do with me as I am just a newbie. I did follow this post for a few reasons, 1, I initially felt sorry for you and I thought someone needs to help this guy out, 2 after hearing what had happened before, it is interesting to see what's on people's minds and how they express that. 3 I felt some relief that the gators and crocs were not only after me as I had a similar experience when I started my nixie watch :-) 4 It seems to develop with a good outcome, both for you and for the group. I think the proposal from IRA is good, I'd also be interested in the technical details of your clock. Just include some JPG files of the schematics, that makes it easier to have a look at it. Once they're up, I also have $20 for you shared as 50/50. Michel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[neonixie-l] Testing nixie tubes
I wonder what is the best way to test nixie tubes to be fairly sure they will work just fine. I encountered a few issues, but this one is new to me. I had tested a tube and made sure all segments would work. I put them into my circuit and after a while noticed my number 2 digit didn't light up anymore. I thought it would be a bad connection although I couldn't see anything. I am using cathode side transistors so I soldered 2 digits together and expected both of them to light up at the same time, but actually, neither of them would light up. So I am thinking there is a short between the cathode of number 2 digit and the anode. I took the tube out, measure with an ohm meter and measure 1.6k ohm!! That explained the problem, but how can that happen? Michel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[neonixie-l] Re: Testing nixie tubes
You just got unlucky. The metal that sputters off the cathodes, formed crude metal film resistors; partial short. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/-/M3k2qIyDiqAJ. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Testing nixie tubes
On 12/6/12 10:53 PM, Michel wrote: I wonder what is the best way to test nixie tubes to be fairly sure they will work just fine. I encountered a few issues, but this one is new to me. I had tested a tube and made sure all segments would work. I put them into my circuit and after a while noticed my number 2 digit didn't light up anymore. I thought it would be a bad connection although I couldn't see anything. I am using cathode side transistors so I soldered 2 digits together and expected both of them to light up at the same time, but actually, neither of them would light up. So I am thinking there is a short between the cathode of number 2 digit and the anode. I took the tube out, measure with an ohm meter and measure 1.6k ohm!! That explained the problem, but how can that happen? Michel It happens now and then with 5870s. I've seen several tube problems that turn up only after the watch is built and run for a few days. The inter-electrode clearance inside these tubes is rather small, so shorts can happen. I don't think there's any way to test for such problems in advance. That's why I use sockets for the tubes in my watches. -- David Forbes, Tucson AZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[neonixie-l] Re: Testing nixie tubes
Some time ago I read that it would be good practice to let each cathode lit at maximum rated current for about 2 minutes, I can't find that page no more so I am not too sure about the reasoning behind it. If metal sputters are a cause of the problem, it could more likely show up in these first 2 minutes of maximum drive I guess. Putting the tubes in sockets would be an advantage in this case. I am actually surprised how easy it is to change a faulty (or broken) tube, it takes less effort than I had expected. It's quite easy to heat up all the legs together, take the tube out and then use some wick to empty the holes. Crucial here is to use a solder that has lots of flux. My board setup is different from yours, so sockets would simply not fit. Michel On Dec 7, 5:00 pm, threeneurons wrote: > You just got unlucky. The metal that sputters off the cathodes, formed > crude metal film resistors; partial short. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
