[neonixie-l] Spotted nixies in Compressorhead

2013-11-21 Thread Michel
Hi guys,

Just came across this compressorhead video, spotted nixies @ 1:18

http://youtu.be/G3C3iHojSNs

Cheers,
Michel

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Arduino and MAX6921

2013-11-21 Thread Gideon Wackers
Yeah as I thought, I'll have to add something to the code for setting the 
time.

And well... Time is short (Christmas), interest is surely present. 

Two worst case scenarios: it is not ready and they receive a IOU a clock 
coupon instead of a clock *or *it never gets finished because my 
programming skills kinda suck. 

*doom scenario: things catch fire :P*


Op vrijdag 22 november 2013 00:02:34 UTC+1 schreef Adam Jacobs:
>
> Time-setting as well as time-getting and displaying will need to be done 
> on the Microcontroller. 
> The RTC relies on receiving an I2C message with the time to set; it 
> doesn't have any mechanism for connecting buttons or such directly. 
> 'find out whether this is going to work' is probably something that 
> depends entirely on the amount of interest & time you have. :) 
>
>
> On 11/21/2013 2:59 PM, Gideon Wackers wrote: 
> > Yeah this project is also a bit of a learning project, but time is 
> > starting to become scarce so I'll have to have some results (plus code 
> > is not exactly my strong point) and really learn later on. 
> > 
> > Anyway, my to do list: 
> > 
> > -Find out where time setting is done, and/or add it to my code 
> > -fix the small bugs 
> > -find out whether this is going to work 
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Arduino and MAX6921

2013-11-21 Thread Adam Jacobs
Time-setting as well as time-getting and displaying will need to be done 
on the Microcontroller.
The RTC relies on receiving an I2C message with the time to set; it 
doesn't have any mechanism for connecting buttons or such directly. 
'find out whether this is going to work' is probably something that 
depends entirely on the amount of interest & time you have. :)



On 11/21/2013 2:59 PM, Gideon Wackers wrote:
Yeah this project is also a bit of a learning project, but time is 
starting to become scarce so I'll have to have some results (plus code 
is not exactly my strong point) and really learn later on.


Anyway, my to do list:

-Find out where time setting is done, and/or add it to my code
-fix the small bugs
-find out whether this is going to work
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Arduino and MAX6921

2013-11-21 Thread Gideon Wackers
Yeah this project is also a bit of a learning project, but time is starting 
to become scarce so I'll have to have some results (plus code is not 
exactly my strong point) and really learn later on. 

Anyway, my to do list:

-Find out where time setting is done, and/or add it to my code
-fix the small bugs
-find out whether this is going to work

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Arduino and MAX6921

2013-11-21 Thread Adam Jacobs

Hi David,

I used to think it was strange too and always included the clock 
functionality in the microcontroller. However, I was always fine-tuning 
the accuracy. I believe that someone was posting to this list a little 
while back about his own Atmel microcontroller clock-code accuracy issues.


Later, I needed to build a clock that knew what day it was. I started 
putting thought into adding that to the microcontroller, how to account 
for leap-years, which months have how many days, etc. It was all more 
than doable, but I decided to use the opportunity to try using an RTC. 
Another driving factor was battery-backup. The RTC I was using (another 
from Maxim, can't remember the name but it is a 8-pin DIP) made battery 
backup a complete breeze. Real battery backup, a CR2032 or similar, with 
a total of months/years of battery life driving the RTC & TCXO.


The RTC I used was I2C and it also provided an opportunity to learn how 
to interface with I2C parts. :)
In the future, I'll probably use an RTC when I feel like it, on more 
complex clocks that have a smidge of extra space on the board and maybe 
could also use some reduction in microcontroller software size.


It is important to note that these builds are strictly for a hobby and 
not sale, so 'price is no object' provided that I can sample the parts 
for free. An RTC, TCXO and max6921 might total $25-$30 if I was doing 
this for sale, so that would be a non-starter. Of course, I've used 
those above parts as well as tons of other Maxim IC parts at work on 
larger projects. Maxim IC gets their money's worth out of me, I think. :)


-Adam

On 11/21/2013 2:09 PM, David Forbes wrote:

On 11/21/2013 3:03 PM, Gideon Wackers wrote:

I will
also add a RTC because for what they cost it seems like they make 
things a

lot easier.



I have always thought it strange when people do that. After all, the 
job of a microcontroller that runs a clock is to keep track of the 
time and make it show up on the display. Why add a second chip to keep 
track of the time when the micro is perfectly capable of doing that job?


Especially if someone has already written the code for you, unless 
they did a bad job of it.


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Re: [neonixie-l] Arduino and MAX6921

2013-11-21 Thread Gideon Wackers
The law starts to apply when someone dies by your electronic contraption ;)

Op donderdag 21 november 2013 23:34:24 UTC+1 schreef Adam Jacobs:
>
>  Ah-ha! Good deal. I was assuming that your were in school studying 
> electronics or microcontrollers, since you were posting to the group from a 
> university address. :) 
>
> Well, more and more, I think that electronics & software are extremely 
> useful skill sets for anyone. Well, Electronics, Software & Law. But Law is 
> outside the scope of discussion. :)
> We have an employee here at work that joined as an intern (on a lark) 
> during a break from her doctoral studies in biochemistry. She liked it so 
> much that she stayed, changed her pending doctorate into an existing 
> masters and joined the company full-time as a software engineer. 
>
> -Adam
>  
>
> On 11/21/2013 1:18 PM, Gideon Wackers wrote:
>  
> Lets put it like this, the only programming I ever do is a bit of LabVIEW. 
> I'm doing a master in Bioelectronics and Nanotechnology but although it 
> says electronics in the name, there is not too much "classic" electronic 
> stuff. It mainly involves biosensor applications and cell membrane 
> potentials which is a completely different branch of electronics.  
>
>  That your code is not in the arduino language but Atmel already explains 
> a bit of my confusion. I'm going to take another look at it and maybe a 
> friend of mine who is a lot better at written programming languages can 
> help me a bit. 
>
> Op donderdag 21 november 2013 21:47:33 UTC+1 schreef Adam Jacobs: 
>>
>>  Hi Gideon,
>>   What are you studying at university? We're starting to get to the point 
>> where you should be able to start figuring it out. Definitely shouldn't 
>> look like voodoo... 
>>
>> Start with the Datasheet:
>> http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX6921-MAX6931.pdf
>>
>> The datasheet tells us that the part is SPI (Serial interface), which 
>> means it is much easier to talk to than a I2C part. I'm not going to be 
>> able to help you with arduino, I've never used one. I always just program 
>> the Atmel microcontroller directly and use the part directly without the 
>> arduino bootloader/sketches business. To each their own. One of the huge 
>> advantages of the Arduino, though, is supposed to be the availability of 
>> community libraries to support these parts. I would maybe look a little 
>> harder or consider switching components to something that already has a 
>> community library written for it. I linked you the code/schematic to my VFD 
>> clock which uses a max6921. It's not arduino sketch, it is atmel 
>> microcontroller C code. I think that you should be able to figure it out. 
>> Worst case, the arduino sketches are guaranteed to include support for 
>> sending a command via SPI.
>>
>> http://elbastl.sweb.cz/6-digit-VFD.zip
>> The part of the code that you should be interested in is the part that I 
>> cribbed from Limor's IceClock. Specifically, the spi_xfer(), vfd_send(), 
>> setdisplay(). Setdisplay will definitely need to be modified to suit your 
>> clock, but spi_xfer and vfd_send are the 'voodoo' that you are trying to 
>> understand. Look at the schematic in that file to see how SPI parts are 
>> electrically connected to the microcontroller.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> On 11/21/2013 12:11 PM, Gideon Wackers wrote:
>>  
>> Well after all the great help with the hardware part of the arduino I 
>> have been looking at the code for my clock. For clarity I thought it would 
>> be better to open a new thread just about the software.  
>>
>>  What I want to make is a four digit clock with IV-11 VFD's that simply 
>> starts at 12:00 and starts running, no fancy menus or anything. Time will 
>> be set with two buttons; Button A increases the hours by 1, Button B 
>> increaes the minutes by 1. Pretty simply one would say but after looking at 
>> various other peoples code such as:
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/8163jb/VFD/blob/master/MAX6921_With_RTC/MAX6921_With_RTC.ino
>> http://www.vonnieda.org/tc18
>> http://learn.adafruit.com/ice-tube-clock-kit/
>>
>> I am completely lost. 
>> I do understand how to create the digit pattern in an effective way such 
>> as shown here:
>> http://www.hacktronics.com/Tutorials/arduino-and-7-segment-led.html

Re: [neonixie-l] Arduino and MAX6921

2013-11-21 Thread Adam Jacobs
Ah-ha! Good deal. I was assuming that your were in school studying 
electronics or microcontrollers, since you were posting to the group 
from a university address. :)


Well, more and more, I think that electronics & software are extremely 
useful skill sets for anyone. Well, Electronics, Software & Law. But Law 
is outside the scope of discussion. :)
We have an employee here at work that joined as an intern (on a lark) 
during a break from her doctoral studies in biochemistry. She liked it 
so much that she stayed, changed her pending doctorate into an existing 
masters and joined the company full-time as a software engineer.


-Adam


On 11/21/2013 1:18 PM, Gideon Wackers wrote:
Lets put it like this, the only programming I ever do is a bit of 
LabVIEW. I'm doing a master in Bioelectronics and Nanotechnology but 
although it says electronics in the name, there is not too much 
"classic" electronic stuff. It mainly involves biosensor applications 
and cell membrane potentials which is a completely different branch of 
electronics.


That your code is not in the arduino language but Atmel already 
explains a bit of my confusion. I'm going to take another look at it 
and maybe a friend of mine who is a lot better at written programming 
languages can help me a bit.


Op donderdag 21 november 2013 21:47:33 UTC+1 schreef Adam Jacobs:

Hi Gideon,
  What are you studying at university? We're starting to get to
the point where you should be able to start figuring it out.
Definitely shouldn't look like voodoo...

Start with the Datasheet:
http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX6921-MAX6931.pdf



The datasheet tells us that the part is SPI (Serial interface),
which means it is much easier to talk to than a I2C part. I'm not
going to be able to help you with arduino, I've never used one. I
always just program the Atmel microcontroller directly and use the
part directly without the arduino bootloader/sketches business. To
each their own. One of the huge advantages of the Arduino, though,
is supposed to be the availability of community libraries to
support these parts. I would maybe look a little harder or
consider switching components to something that already has a
community library written for it. I linked you the code/schematic
to my VFD clock which uses a max6921. It's not arduino sketch, it
is atmel microcontroller C code. I think that you should be able
to figure it out.
Worst case, the arduino sketches are guaranteed to include support
for sending a command via SPI.

http://elbastl.sweb.cz/6-digit-VFD.zip


The part of the code that you should be interested in is the part
that I cribbed from Limor's IceClock. Specifically, the
spi_xfer(), vfd_send(), setdisplay(). Setdisplay will definitely
need to be modified to suit your clock, but spi_xfer and vfd_send
are the 'voodoo' that you are trying to understand. Look at the
schematic in that file to see how SPI parts are electrically
connected to the microcontroller.

-Adam


On 11/21/2013 12:11 PM, Gideon Wackers wrote:

Well after all the great help with the hardware part of the
arduino I have been looking at the code for my clock. For clarity
I thought it would be better to open a new thread just about the
software.

What I want to make is a four digit clock with IV-11 VFD's that
simply starts at 12:00 and starts running, no fancy menus or
anything. Time will be set with two buttons; Button A increases
the hours by 1, Button B increaes the minutes by 1. Pretty simply
one would say but after looking at various other peoples code
such as:


https://github.com/8163jb/VFD/blob/master/MAX6921_With_RTC/MAX6921_With_RTC.ino


http://www.vonnieda.org/tc18


http://learn.adafruit.com/ice-tube-clock-kit/



I am completely lost.
I do understand how to create the digit pattern in an effective
way such as shown
here:http://www.hacktronics.com/Tutorials/arduino-and-7-segment-led.html


 But
wh

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Arduino and MAX6921

2013-11-21 Thread Gideon Wackers
You mean using the milis function instead of a RTC?

Anyway, this looks like a good basis to me, I'm only missing the part that 
actually sets the time (I believe). 

Op donderdag 21 november 2013 23:09:49 UTC+1 schreef nixiebunny:
>
> On 11/21/2013 3:03 PM, Gideon Wackers wrote: 
> > I will 
> > also add a RTC because for what they cost it seems like they make things 
> a 
> > lot easier. 
> > 
>
> I have always thought it strange when people do that. After all, the job 
> of a 
> microcontroller that runs a clock is to keep track of the time and make it 
> show 
> up on the display. Why add a second chip to keep track of the time when 
> the 
> micro is perfectly capable of doing that job? 
>
> Especially if someone has already written the code for you, unless they 
> did a 
> bad job of it. 
> -- 
> David Forbes, Tucson, AZ 
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Arduino and MAX6921

2013-11-21 Thread David Forbes

On 11/21/2013 3:03 PM, Gideon Wackers wrote:

I will
also add a RTC because for what they cost it seems like they make things a
lot easier.



I have always thought it strange when people do that. After all, the job of a 
microcontroller that runs a clock is to keep track of the time and make it show 
up on the display. Why add a second chip to keep track of the time when the 
micro is perfectly capable of doing that job?


Especially if someone has already written the code for you, unless they did a 
bad job of it.

--
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[neonixie-l] Re: Arduino and MAX6921

2013-11-21 Thread Gideon Wackers
Maybe I should not be doing this kind of thing late in the evening I just 
noticed the attachment in this thread 
http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=159775.0 which gave me a complete 
piece of code. This made things a lot clearer and I have started 
"stripping" the code of things I do not need to make things easier. I will 
also add a RTC because for what they cost it seems like they make things a 
lot easier. There are still some tiny errors in this piece of code that 
need fixing but I think that the raw basis is there. 

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Re: [neonixie-l] Arduino and MAX6921

2013-11-21 Thread Gideon Wackers
Lets put it like this, the only programming I ever do is a bit of LabVIEW. 
I'm doing a master in Bioelectronics and Nanotechnology but although it 
says electronics in the name, there is not too much "classic" electronic 
stuff. It mainly involves biosensor applications and cell membrane 
potentials which is a completely different branch of electronics. 

That your code is not in the arduino language but Atmel already explains a 
bit of my confusion. I'm going to take another look at it and maybe a 
friend of mine who is a lot better at written programming languages can 
help me a bit. 

Op donderdag 21 november 2013 21:47:33 UTC+1 schreef Adam Jacobs:
>
>  Hi Gideon,
>   What are you studying at university? We're starting to get to the point 
> where you should be able to start figuring it out. Definitely shouldn't 
> look like voodoo... 
>
> Start with the Datasheet:
> http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX6921-MAX6931.pdf
>
> The datasheet tells us that the part is SPI (Serial interface), which 
> means it is much easier to talk to than a I2C part. I'm not going to be 
> able to help you with arduino, I've never used one. I always just program 
> the Atmel microcontroller directly and use the part directly without the 
> arduino bootloader/sketches business. To each their own. One of the huge 
> advantages of the Arduino, though, is supposed to be the availability of 
> community libraries to support these parts. I would maybe look a little 
> harder or consider switching components to something that already has a 
> community library written for it. I linked you the code/schematic to my VFD 
> clock which uses a max6921. It's not arduino sketch, it is atmel 
> microcontroller C code. I think that you should be able to figure it out. 
> Worst case, the arduino sketches are guaranteed to include support for 
> sending a command via SPI.
>
> http://elbastl.sweb.cz/6-digit-VFD.zip
> The part of the code that you should be interested in is the part that I 
> cribbed from Limor's IceClock. Specifically, the spi_xfer(), vfd_send(), 
> setdisplay(). Setdisplay will definitely need to be modified to suit your 
> clock, but spi_xfer and vfd_send are the 'voodoo' that you are trying to 
> understand. Look at the schematic in that file to see how SPI parts are 
> electrically connected to the microcontroller.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 11/21/2013 12:11 PM, Gideon Wackers wrote:
>  
> Well after all the great help with the hardware part of the arduino I have 
> been looking at the code for my clock. For clarity I thought it would be 
> better to open a new thread just about the software.  
>
>  What I want to make is a four digit clock with IV-11 VFD's that simply 
> starts at 12:00 and starts running, no fancy menus or anything. Time will 
> be set with two buttons; Button A increases the hours by 1, Button B 
> increaes the minutes by 1. Pretty simply one would say but after looking at 
> various other peoples code such as:
>
>
> https://github.com/8163jb/VFD/blob/master/MAX6921_With_RTC/MAX6921_With_RTC.ino
> http://www.vonnieda.org/tc18
> http://learn.adafruit.com/ice-tube-clock-kit/
>
> I am completely lost. 
> I do understand how to create the digit pattern in an effective way such 
> as shown here:
> http://www.hacktronics.com/Tutorials/arduino-and-7-segment-led.html
>  But 
> when I see other peoples examples, driving the MAX6921 looks like voodoo to 
> me. Can someone give me a hint/tip/example on how to get going with this 
> project?
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Re: [neonixie-l] Arduino and MAX6921

2013-11-21 Thread Adam Jacobs

Hi Gideon,
  What are you studying at university? We're starting to get to the 
point where you should be able to start figuring it out. Definitely 
shouldn't look like voodoo...


Start with the Datasheet:
http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX6921-MAX6931.pdf

The datasheet tells us that the part is SPI (Serial interface), which 
means it is much easier to talk to than a I2C part. I'm not going to be 
able to help you with arduino, I've never used one. I always just 
program the Atmel microcontroller directly and use the part directly 
without the arduino bootloader/sketches business. To each their own. One 
of the huge advantages of the Arduino, though, is supposed to be the 
availability of community libraries to support these parts. I would 
maybe look a little harder or consider switching components to something 
that already has a community library written for it. I linked you the 
code/schematic to my VFD clock which uses a max6921. It's not arduino 
sketch, it is atmel microcontroller C code. I think that you should be 
able to figure it out.
Worst case, the arduino sketches are guaranteed to include support for 
sending a command via SPI.


http://elbastl.sweb.cz/6-digit-VFD.zip
The part of the code that you should be interested in is the part that I 
cribbed from Limor's IceClock. Specifically, the spi_xfer(), vfd_send(), 
setdisplay(). Setdisplay will definitely need to be modified to suit 
your clock, but spi_xfer and vfd_send are the 'voodoo' that you are 
trying to understand. Look at the schematic in that file to see how SPI 
parts are electrically connected to the microcontroller.


-Adam


On 11/21/2013 12:11 PM, Gideon Wackers wrote:
Well after all the great help with the hardware part of the arduino I 
have been looking at the code for my clock. For clarity I thought it 
would be better to open a new thread just about the software.


What I want to make is a four digit clock with IV-11 VFD's that simply 
starts at 12:00 and starts running, no fancy menus or anything. Time 
will be set with two buttons; Button A increases the hours by 1, 
Button B increaes the minutes by 1. Pretty simply one would say but 
after looking at various other peoples code such as:


https://github.com/8163jb/VFD/blob/master/MAX6921_With_RTC/MAX6921_With_RTC.ino
http://www.vonnieda.org/tc18
http://learn.adafruit.com/ice-tube-clock-kit/

I am completely lost.
I do understand how to create the digit pattern in an effective way 
such as shown 
here:http://www.hacktronics.com/Tutorials/arduino-and-7-segment-led.html But 
when I see other peoples examples, driving the MAX6921 looks like 
voodoo to me. Can someone give me a hint/tip/example on how to get 
going with this project?

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[neonixie-l] Arduino and MAX6921

2013-11-21 Thread Gideon Wackers
Well after all the great help with the hardware part of the arduino I have 
been looking at the code for my clock. For clarity I thought it would be 
better to open a new thread just about the software. 

What I want to make is a four digit clock with IV-11 VFD's that simply 
starts at 12:00 and starts running, no fancy menus or anything. Time will 
be set with two buttons; Button A increases the hours by 1, Button B 
increaes the minutes by 1. Pretty simply one would say but after looking at 
various other peoples code such as:

https://github.com/8163jb/VFD/blob/master/MAX6921_With_RTC/MAX6921_With_RTC.ino
http://www.vonnieda.org/tc18
http://learn.adafruit.com/ice-tube-clock-kit/

I am completely lost. 
I do understand how to create the digit pattern in an effective way such as 
shown here:
http://www.hacktronics.com/Tutorials/arduino-and-7-segment-led.html But 
when I see other peoples examples, driving the MAX6921 looks like voodoo to 
me. Can someone give me a hint/tip/example on how to get going with this 
project?

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IV-11 VFD clock, some questions

2013-11-21 Thread Gideon Wackers
Yes it is very nice but also very smart. People will like you a lot more 
because of it and maybe that student that gets 10 dollar in samples today 
later orders shiploads of IC's from your company because he now designs 
equipment and remembers how nice those samples were. 

But now I am looking for some arduino code to drive the MAX6921, code seems 
sarce and the icetubeclock uses an older software version I believe. 

Op woensdag 20 november 2013 20:58:37 UTC+1 schreef Adam Jacobs:
>
> Congratulations! 
>
> I've always been a big fan of Maxim's sampling policy. I've even abused 
> it (obviously, since I have a drawer-full of their stuff). The only 
> times that I've had them object to any part of a sample request, I was 
> requesting DIP samples. Anything PLCC or surface mount, they're ultra 
> crazy generous. My theory (and the theory of co-workers here) is that 
> Maxim samples like they do because they know that these engineers who 
> have worked with their parts on side-projects and hobbies will select 
> them for big projects at work as well. 
>
> FYI, the MAX6921 is also the driver IC that Limor Fried is using in her 
> VFD clock kit. 
>
> -Adam 
>
> On 11/20/2013 11:07 AM, Gideon Wackers wrote: 
> > Might be interesting for others: there are two versions of the XL6009 
> > step up converter on ebay, one that goes to 35 volt, and another that 
> > reaches 45 volt. Example of a 45 volt type: 
> > 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-XL6009-DC-DC-Adjustable-Boost-Step-up-Power-Supply-Module-6A-Output-6V-45V-/171127883167?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27d804459f
>  
> > 
> > 
> > It looks like Maxim does support starving students, I'll order the 
> > transistors anyway but I will probably work with the MAX6921 now. 
> > 
>
>

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