[neonixie-l] The answer is a lemon

[Quixotic Nixotic]

Looking through the Television Journal of November 1934, I came across this 
advertisement. 



'May be used in place of any existing Neon Lamp without alteration' caught my 
eye. I guess that is in the context of a 1934 telly.

John S

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Re: [neonixie-l] The answer is a lemon

[Dieter Waechter]

Look also here:
http://www.nbtv.wyenet.co.uk/conv04.htm
Dieter
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  Never heard about the neon lamps used in early mechanical television? The 
neon lamp (Neontron®) was used as a light source behind the Nipkow disc. I was 
in the local museum in Hastings (UK), where  I saw that Bayrd TV-machine, that 
should have also one. But unfortunantely the lamp missed, ashame!

  http://lampes-et-tubes.info/dlgl/dl195.php?l=e

  Wiki:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Logie_Baird

  eric



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  Looking through the Television Journal of November 1934, I came across this 
advertisement.  





  'May be used in place of any existing Neon Lamp without alteration' caught my 
eye. I guess that is in the context of a 1934 telly.


  John S

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Re: [neonixie-l] The answer is a lemon

[Quixotic Nixotic]

On 8 Mar 2015, at 11:27, Tidak Ada wrote:

> Never heard about the neon lamps used in early mechanical television? The 
> neon lamp (Neontron®) was used as a light source behind the Nipkow disc.

No, never. Is it this thing, or is this mercury vapour?



John S

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Re: [neonixie-l] The answer is a lemon

[Quixotic Nixotic]

Looks so easy,



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[neonixie-l] Re: The answer is a lemon

[chuck richards]

I remember my dad telling me about those original old
TV sets from the mid 1920s.  He described the rotating disks
and he did see a display version of it somewhere in Chicago
when he was a young boy.  When he saw it, he said it had
a picture of Felix the cat which was on a rotating turntable
slowly turning around.  He said you had to put your head up to
a hood and peer down at a fairly small image.  Maybe there was a
magnifying lense down there too.

Chuck



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>>Looks so easy,
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Re: [neonixie-l] The answer is a lemon

[JohnK]

There is a lovely pair of volumes of Television Today [1930s, after acorn 
valves] , Newnes, (probably weekly and then bound). 
I absorbed Dad's copies when I was a kid and started a disk Tx and Rx at 
school. Still have the pieces - waiting for the 'round tuit' I need to complete 
it.

John K
Australia
[PS. Used bicycle rear sprockets ground down for the synch mechanism]

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  Looks so easy,






  John S

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: The answer is a lemon

[JohnK]

I'd scan bits of the books and post, but there is probably more on the web 
anyway. The 30 vert lines pic was 'awful'. And yes, most had lenses.


If anyone wants me to scan that pic, shout.

John k
Australia

[PS Mum let my sister's girlfriend cut a piece of carboard from the rear 
cover for some project they were doing! I recently bought a replacement 
volume.]




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I remember my dad telling me about those original old
TV sets from the mid 1920s.  He described the rotating disks
and he did see a display version of it somewhere in Chicago
when he was a young boy.  When he saw it, he said it had
a picture of Felix the cat which was on a rotating turntable
slowly turning around.  He said you had to put your head up to
a hood and peer down at a fairly small image.  Maybe there was a
magnifying lense down there too.

Chuck








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Re: [neonixie-l] The answer is a lemon

[Instrument Resources of America]

It was easy, but became slightly more complicated when the 'video' from 
the P.E. cell was transmitted via 'radio' to a receiver at a remote 
point. At that time the two rotating discs were no longer on the 'same 
mechanical rotating shaft' but still had be held in sync with each 
other, therefore requiring an electronic syncronizing system. P.E. cells 
(some of the actual ones used I have here in my tube collection) were 
used at the the transmitting end to form the video, and 'neon" lamps 
(some of which I also have here) were as far as I know always used at 
the receiving end to recreate the video. For those of you who may have 
even a mild interest in early television, including the Nipkow Disc 
system please avail yourself of the following site
http://www.earlytelevision.org/   When you get there, click on the 
search button at the top of the page and type in either 'Nipkow' or 
'disc'. You can spend literally hours and hours here. Over the years 
yours truly has collected around 150 vintage televisions, studio cameras 
and equipment, and more. Now that I'm retired I am actively restoring 
some of the more historic televisions that I have to operational 
condition. Hope that everyone enjoys the Early Television site.  By the 
way the first picture ever transmitted via the Nipkow scanning disc 
system was of Felix The Cat.  If anyone has any questions about the 
Nipkow Scanning Disc system you can ask me, perhaps off of the forum 
here, and I'll try to answer them as I have a basic knowledge of how it 
worked, although the Early Television site should answer most questions. 
The Early Television Site has a 'LOT' of other info and restored 
televisions to look at. They also are setting a shop to rebuild 
television picture tubes (C.R.T.'s), which if successful would be the 
ONLY place on the planet doing so.Ira


On 3/8/2015 5:17 AM, Quixotic Nixotic wrote:

Looks so easy,



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Re: [neonixie-l] The answer is a lemon

['Ian Vine' via neonixie-l]

In the late 70s as a ten year old, I spent a while drilling a spiral of holes 
into a12" vinyl album. I have no idea where the plans came from but the idea 
was to have one side the camera and the other side the output ie at 180 
degrees. Did the drilling, got the meccano motor drive working got some light 
output but enthusiasm fizzled out about there.

IanV 

> On 8 Mar 2015, at 16:04, Instrument Resources of America 
>  wrote:
> 
> It was easy, but became slightly more complicated when the 'video' from the 
> P.E. cell was transmitted via 'radio' to a receiver at a remote point. At 
> that time the two rotating discs were no longer on the 'same mechanical 
> rotating shaft' but still had be held in sync with each other, therefore 
> requiring an electronic syncronizing system. P.E. cells (some of the actual 
> ones used I have here in my tube collection) were used at the the 
> transmitting end to form the video, and 'neon" lamps (some of which I also 
> have here) were as far as I know always used at the receiving end to recreate 
> the video. For those of you who may have even a mild interest in early 
> television, including the Nipkow Disc system please avail yourself of the 
> following sitehttp://www.earlytelevision.org/   When you get there, click 
> on the search button at the top of the page and type in either 'Nipkow' or 
> 'disc'. You can spend literally hours and hours here. Over the years yours 
> truly has collected around 150 vintage televisions, studio cameras and 
> equipment, and more. Now that I'm retired I am actively restoring some of the 
> more historic televisions that I have to operational condition. Hope that 
> everyone enjoys the Early Television site.  By the way the first picture ever 
> transmitted via the Nipkow scanning disc system was of Felix The Cat.  If 
> anyone has any questions about the Nipkow Scanning Disc system you can ask 
> me, perhaps off of the forum here, and I'll try to answer them as I have a 
> basic knowledge of how it worked, although the Early Television site should 
> answer most questions. The Early Television Site has a 'LOT' of other info 
> and restored televisions to look at. They also are setting a shop to rebuild 
> television picture tubes (C.R.T.'s), which if successful would be the ONLY 
> place on the planet doing so.Ira
> 
>> On 3/8/2015 5:17 AM, Quixotic Nixotic wrote:
>> Looks so easy,
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Re: [neonixie-l] The answer is a lemon

[Instrument Resources of America]

That must have been a lot of fun. I would have enjoyed doing that 
myself.  Ira.




On 3/8/2015 10:12 AM, 'Ian Vine' via neonixie-l wrote:
In the late 70s as a ten year old, I spent a while drilling a spiral 
of holes into a12" vinyl album. I have no idea where the plans came 
from but the idea was to have one side the camera and the other side 
the output ie at 180 degrees. Did the drilling, got the meccano motor 
drive working got some light output but enthusiasm fizzled out about 
there.


IanV

On 8 Mar 2015, at 16:04, Instrument Resources of America 
mailto:iracosa...@hughes.net>> wrote:


It was easy, but became slightly more complicated when the 'video' 
from the P.E. cell was transmitted via 'radio' to a receiver at a 
remote point. At that time the two rotating discs were no longer on 
the 'same mechanical rotating shaft' but still had be held in sync 
with each other, therefore requiring an electronic syncronizing 
system. P.E. cells (some of the actual ones used I have here in my 
tube collection) were used at the the transmitting end to form the 
video, and 'neon" lamps (some of which I also have here) were as far 
as I know always used at the receiving end to recreate the video. For 
those of you who may have even a mild interest in early television, 
including the Nipkow Disc system please avail yourself of the 
following site http://www.earlytelevision.org/ When you get there, 
click on the search button at the top of the page and type in either 
'Nipkow' or 'disc'. You can spend literally hours and hours here. 
Over the years yours truly has collected around 150 vintage 
televisions, studio cameras and equipment, and more. Now that I'm 
retired I am actively restoring some of the more historic televisions 
that I have to operational condition. Hope that everyone enjoys the 
Early Television site.  By the way the first picture ever transmitted 
via the Nipkow scanning disc system was of Felix The Cat.  If anyone 
has any questions about the Nipkow Scanning Disc system you can ask 
me, perhaps off of the forum here, and I'll try to answer them as I 
have a basic knowledge of how it worked, although the Early 
Television site should answer most questions. The Early Television 
Site has a 'LOT' of other info and restored televisions to look at. 
They also are setting a shop to rebuild television picture tubes 
(C.R.T.'s), which if successful would be the ONLY place on the planet 
doing so.Ira


On 3/8/2015 5:17 AM, Quixotic Nixotic wrote:

Looks so easy,



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